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sarrki:
The fishy is that he chop otobo

You dey there when e chop Otobo? Abi na you be the 3rd person for the threesomee?

sarrki:
Mockery you are dumb

Suleman is a scammer

Did he chop three some or not

Where you there when he chop three some?

The biggest scammer is your lord and saviour Buhari

Well said omokri. Let them provide proof to their claims and not media interviews.

As it stands apostle suleman is innocent until proven guilty

Buhari is the one that told them to marry themselves

Buhari and APC has finished us in this country.

Leez:
u know as mods dy do na ; D
hw u dy?

My broda I dey o. Same usual thing. How far with that your NL babe? coco candy?

fratermathy:
Here they are:

1. https://www.nairaland.com/3684215/lady-lays-curse-stephanie-otobo/4#54628731
2. https://www.nairaland.com/3684215/lady-lays-curse-stephanie-otobo/3#54627649
3. https://www.nairaland.com/3678183/why-believe-stephanie-otobo-lying/7#54625854

You need more?

I guess you will ignore this one too and deflect to something else. I expect it! I have zeroed you into the most bestial part of human consciousness and follow you in that light.

I am not obsessed with your god nor do I want him jailed. He should own up to his HUMAN SHORTCOMINGS and stop deceiving youths like you who idle away in their defence.

Whether you agree to it or not, Su-LAIR-man is complicit in this matter and everything shall be revealed in the fullness of time. All we have is time to wait.

What is all these? Abeg bring out the post and stop giving our viewers assignment. We are waiting

fratermathy:
I have posted them more than thrice and you deflected them by using reverse psychology. I'm just looking at you like....


I am NOT a CHRISTIAN and have nothing to do with stupid humans who worship pastors and revolve their lives around them.

Where did you post them? Or you want me to expose you again.

Secondly it is now clear your obsession with the pastor and your continuous fantasy to get him jailed. Lol. It can't work.. Sorry.
I believe in the rule of law, Apostle suleman is innocent until proven guilty which Otobo has failed to do.

“Anyone who has a case against any man of God should swear an oath, proceed to the law court and face the rigours, rather than engage in media trial and character assassination, which have become the hallmark of this administration.”

Thank you Fayose for saying all what I have been saying all this while.

fratermathy:
You are not the judge in this debacle. No one made you judge. You have made your point and I have made mine. It is counterproductive for me to keep quoting your previous posts and mine to assert how you fell short of words when you started lying on this thread like a good Suleimanic Christian that you are.

If anything, you just proved to me the lengths bigoted Christians will go to protect the infallibility of their human gods!

You have started with your accusations again. Post my lies let people see and me defend. Same can't be said about you though.

If you have a personal vendetta against pastors you should learn to control your emotions.

fratermathy:
That is actually something I would suggest to Keyamo's law chambers. NOTED!

Good , it is obvious you are now learning from me. You can direct it to keyamo.

fratermathy:
Your point being?

Lagos MVAA bought the car for Okeke and registered it in Suleiman's name?

My point being that Lagos MVVA has the details you seek. Direct your questions to them.

fratermathy:
Yes. You debunked everything I said. Truthfully you did. It is glaring. Infact, you have debunked and wished away Otobo, Okeke and the scandal.

You have debunked and wished away my phantom followers on this thread.

Truly, you have twisted my words and changed grounds. It was very glaring and obvious.

All these to prove that one Edo pastor is infallible.

Ogbeni Oruese!

Yes I did. You provided a blog website I provided the actual video saying otherwise. You accused me of lying without providing proof. I accused you of lying and provided proof.
You twisted and re-directed my question and I answered you. I asked you several questions but you are yet to answer just one.

So yes, I debunked everything you said. QED

fratermathy:
Your point being that what?

Does the car belong to Okeke or not?
Did he gift her the car officially or not? If so, give reasons.
Was the car ever registered and on the website initially or not?

Is this link not proof of initial presence of the car: web.archive.org/web/20170312200210/http://www.lsmvaapvs.org/search.php?vpn=mus123ej ?

Am I to check archive of what is on ground now? You cried to know why the details was removed from the website and I simply told you that I am not in the position to give such information (also apostle suleman to be factual) . I directed you to the Lagos state MVVA whom are responsible. Yet you accused the pastor. So I asked, who's responsible for the name removal, Apostle suleman or Lagos MVVA? A question you failed to answer.

fratermathy:
I now understand the personality of Suleiman now through you. You never finish a case before moving on to the next. You claim not to support the man yet do the exact opposite for more than 24 hours. A fact that has been sealed with proof from previous chats is still used as an arguing chip for you.


You have nothing more to say. It is not in your place to know what everyone is seeing. The chat history is within public view and the issue is still at its infancy. It will surely develop and you and your god of men will be shamed at the end.

I will humour you from now on with your own logic. You no longer deserve my higher sense of reasoning!

You are a clown and it is evident that you can't provide proof just like Otobo. You can't answer a simple yes or no question too. Now I have debunked everything you said and even shown everyone here plus your followers for the liar and fraud that you are. Twisting your words and changing grounds. Lol.

fratermathy:
So you have several evidences of him giving cars to people but none could be called upon when his name was linked with Okeke's car abi? Now just give one, just one evidence that the car with Okeke was gifted to her by the pastor. Let's not even go into why he should do such now. Just give a tangible reason that the car was gifted PERSONALLY from SULEIMAN to OKEKE OFFICIALLY!

Since you believe you can speak for anybody, that standard applies to all in this thread. You cannot think like your god and believe you are infallible. The same standard of judgement will be used for all, whether short/tall, pastor/non-pastor, etc.

Smh. Despite the expo you still failed to answer the question. Pitiful.

Now , giving you proof that apostle suleman gifted her the car is laughable and also is not the issue because as it stands now the so called car is even not available or registered on the Lagos MVVA website. Am I right? Yes or no?

fratermathy:
This was never a case of the type of court case or not and so don't use the lexicon of deflection which I introduced to this thread to justify your erratic argumentative skills which comprise lies, misinterpretations, double standards, and many more.

So who gave you the right to speak for Suleiman if anyone but him doesn't have the right to speak on the case?

Everyone can now see how shallow minded you are. You can't even answer the question.

Now you claim that I am using it as a deflection meanwhile you were accusing the pastor of not filing for defamation of character. How is deflecting and lying now? Everyone is watching.

fratermathy:
Recall that you said this:



So operating by your own standards, are you in a position to speak for Suleiman on the cars that he gives or not?

Yes or No?

You failed to answer my own question but you think I can't answer such simple question?

Now, yes I am in the position to speak for suleman because there are several evidences that he has gifted a lot of people with cars, cash and other items which we all know and I have provided to you .

We are now waiting for your own cowardly answer since you want expo from me.

fratermathy:
If Suleman thinks himself innocent of the charges then he should, of necessity, sue the defamer! Failure to do so justifies the accuser's revelations against him and because the case will never go to court, no one will ever find out the truth to know his degree of complicity in the issue.

That he sued her for TERRORISM and BLACKMAIL (in relation to 500million naira request and not her revelations, take note), does not translate into a case of libel and defamation. Each has a different case. Just like it behoves Otobo to prove her case, so also is it to Suleiman to prove his case on her. How well has he done that oh ye sheeple?

Hehe don't deflect from the question. Are you in the position to tell apostle suleman what type of court case to sue Otobo? Yes or no? That's what we want.. Simple answer.

fratermathy:
That was DONE OPENLY and everyone was aware of it. It was a charity case because the man needed it and asked for it. I can't recall Okeke asking for a car from Suleiman anywhere. I also can't recall him presenting her with a car in the open. I can't find any proof that his church's welfare department donated a car to her as well. So how exactly did she come by the car?

Are you saying that the "apostle" can just wake up one morning and use people's offerings, tithes, and collections to buy cars for wealthy actresses that live in mansions and earn millions?

Where you there when it was done openly? Do you expect the pastor to do a video of all the people he gives cars and gift to?

Also do you know how many people gives him cars? Do you know if it is those cars he is giving out?

fratermathy:
I quoted exactly what I said and here you are twisting it to suit your ends. How amateurish of you. I said he never sued her for libel and defamation after she made her revelations. You even helped me quote my statement. Why should you misinterpret my statement in the first place?

[b]You said she was sued, after initially LYING that she wasn't. Then you provided a video of her asserting that she was sued for terrorism and blackmail, even before she made her revelations[/b]How is the video remotely related to my claims? Do you create issues in your mind and solve them yourself? I AM NOT SURPRISED if you do.

Then I posted a link to a site where Otobo revealed that she sued Suleiman for breach of contract and to prove that she wasn't sued for libel and defamation.

How then does your video contradict my claim oh ye sheeple?

This is another question I know you can never answer. I am glad everyone is witnessing this and can see the liar that you are. This is like the 3rd time I am asking you to provide proof of me stating so. You claimed I said Stephenie Otobo wasn't sued according to the bolded. Please provide my post here saying such for everyone to see and for me to defend.

Finally you claimed that Otobo sued suleman by providing a blog website and I countered it by providing a video evidence of the lawyer saying otherwise meaning that the case was never taken to court. QED

PS: I thought the general claim was that Otobo wanted apostle suleman to admit before taking him to court. Shior

fratermathy:
So who is arguing here with sentiments for a man that is believed to be infallible?

I don't know Otobo, don't care for her or her story and have nothing to gain from this issue. I only wish to put you and all other worshippers of Su-LAIR-man in your place.

Secondly, you said he gives several cars as gifts. So Daniella Okeke, a worldly actress that earns enough money for herself deserves a car from a self-acclaimed "apostle of God" even when he has not converted her or has any direct relationship with her?

Your idea of religion and morality is truly warped and I commiserate with you on the dearth of your sense of logical reasoning in this matter.

The pastor has also paid the bills of a popular actor who was critically I'll without knowing him or converting him as you put it. So what will you accuse the pastor here on? Like I said you know nothing.

fratermathy:
And tell me, and everyone else here, exactly how this


is different from this:



These are my words and they are easily accessible. Su-LAIR-man has never sued Otobo for libel and defamation. Otobo has gone to court against Sulaiman, that stands. But has Su-LAIR-man gone to court to challenge Otobo's revelations about him? Has he charged her and Sahara Reporters for that matter for defamation, libel and anything else?

He did charge her for TERRORISM before she started her revelations but that wasn't the question now, was it?


You are making a mockery of yourself here man.

One question. Why are you asking for suleman to sue for defamation of character if you already know that he has sued and taken her to court initially on the ground of blackmail and terrorism? I am waiting for this answer

fratermathy:
You just posted arbitrary videos with no bearing to the issue at hand. You are trying to deflect issues and I will expose you here and now.

Was it not you that lied again that she was never sued until I countered you?

https://www.nairaland.com/3678183/why-believe-stephanie-otobo-lying/7#54625854

I never said Otobo wasn't sued whatsoever. I said she wasn't sued for defamation and libel. Here are my words:

https://www.nairaland.com/post/54622357

Why are you twisting facts and attempting to digress the issue at hand? What is your aim here?

Mind you, Otobo was arrested primarily for terrorism and Su-LAIR-man never provided evidence. Infact, here is how it was reported:



http://saharareporters.com/2017/03/09/stephanie-otobo-released-custody

I will continue to show everyone her how uneducated your are.

Now I provided a video evidence which you want to disapprove but want me to accept your own from a blogging website? Which is more credible as an evidence? This is pitiful.

As for you saying that you never said Otobo wasn't sue but now you are saying that she wasn't sued for defamation of character. Why on earth will you ask this kind of ridiculous question if you knew that Otobo was sued in the first place? If you really knew that she was sued you won't even raise such feeble question. Why accuse apostle suleman or not sueing for defamation of character? Are you the one who will dictate the type of law suit to file? Please answer the question.

fratermathy:
It doesn't matter who removed the name because that is obviously an attempt to ameliorate the plight of the god of men, Su-LAIR-man. That page is archived for posterity on the internet and will always be used against the pastorpreneur.


The real question is what was his name doing there as the owner of a car associated with a worldly actress, Daniella Okeke, who has never been to Suleiman's church openly and has no known connection with him?


The congo shiner's defenders should come and answer this

You cannot answer the question once again because you know the obvious truth. This is how things are done not with sentiments and mere hallucinations. If you are asking again what is his name doing there. I have replied his name is there because he gives several cars out as gift. Many are his and most likely in his name.

fratermathy:
You cannot distort my words and get away with it. I will root out everything you and I said now.

This is what I said



https://www.nairaland.com/3678183/why-believe-stephanie-otobo-lying/7#54622357


So why did you just distort my assertion? What is your bearing?


A liar like Su-LAIR-man..

Here is your statement accusing apostle suleman of not taking stephenie Otobo to court. You are a liar.

fratermathy:
There is no issue here. Simply post the video or statement here so that I can respond to it after seeing it myself. I'm not so deluded as to say something on what I have not seen or confirmed myself.

I watched all her videos and read her statements and never did I come across one where she said there was an introduction. If so, kindly present it. I only heard the introduction issue from Suleiman Media Centre as a concoction of his perverse imagination. What she said was that he proposed to marry her.

She has gone to court already. Has Suleiman done the same? Why is he afraid of charging her with defamation and libel?

fratermathy:
My claim was never countered by the video you posted. Rather it was even affirmed. It is only in your mediocre religious mind that you think it was countered. My claim was simple: why hasn't the pastor sued Otobo for defamation of character and libel if he is innocent of the claims.

You said he has sued her initially. I said provide proof and you released a video of her being charged for blackmail. I replied with proof that he charged her for terrorism instead and without proof at that. I also gave you links to the assertion you made that it was Okeke that charged for libel when Okeke never charged anyone.


So I can see all your antics and everyone else can see them too. Suleiman is a goner. Don't waste your time because I am going to really help you waste it.

I have provided proof already.

Here is the lawyer stating clearly that apostle suleman took them to court for blackmail. If you don't know Otobo also confirm that she was sued and taken to court for blackmail. I have provided you the video.. It is the second one on this post.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T38IqbJe4ws


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3l9PwPvL-4

fratermathy:
My claim is that he never took her to court for defamation and libel with special focus on the revelations she made about their relationship. Don't try to twist my statements. That method is so Suleimanic.

After asserting that, you tried to deflect by posting a before-the-act arrest of Otobo as a terrorist. I even countered that and here you are again attempting to deflect.


Every follower of this altercation knows your method and you are only aiding in showing the world that Suleiman is guilty and will go any length to hide his face.

Please provide my post here where I said apostle suleman never charged her for terrorism? Everyone is watching.

fratermathy:
My claim was never countered by the video you posted. Rather it was even affirmed. It is only in your mediocre religious mind that you think it was countered. My claim was simple: why hasn't the pastor sued Otobo for defamation of character and libel if he is innocent of the claims.

You said he has sued her initially. I said provide proof and you released a video of her being charged for blackmail. I replied with proof that he charged her for terrorism instead and without proof at that. I also gave you links to the assertion you made that it was Okeke that charged for libel when Okeke never charged anyone.


So I can see all your antics and everyone else can see them too. Suleiman is a goner. Don't waste your time because I am going to really help you waste it.

You are making a mockery of yourself, you claimed that the pastor disnt take her to court which I have shamed you with now you are saying that the pastor didn't take her to court for defamation of character. Are you the one who will dictate what court case the pastor will use?

fratermathy:
So the said "apostle" cannot account for why Okeke was with his car or what his car was doing in her hands abi?

MVAA will be the one to defend him?

MVAA took off his name but what was it doing there to begin with?

That is not proof to you that your god is a sexual pervert abi?

How is that a deflection? Do you even know what that word means? The only deflector here is yourself and you know it. You never address issues but attempt to corner them and bring up new ones. That style is not new. It has been in place since the days of Lucifer. Suleiman will soon tire of using it.

Honestly are you alright? Was it apostle suleman who removed the name from the website? Who removed the name? Apostle suleman or Lagos MVVA? Answer this question let's see.

fratermathy:
And what exactly have you proven now?

You are trying to deflect the issue on ground.

You said she was NOT taken to court and I provided evidence that she was taken to court and you are changing the tides to now say she was the one that started it. Was that the argument in the first place? Did she goto court with her claim? Has Suleiman charged her for defamation?

You are a good deflector and damage controller but I am very ready for you today.

Who is the deflector here? You claim that apostle suleman never took her to court, now you changed mouth

fratermathy:
And what exactly have you proven now?

You are trying to deflect the issue on ground.

You said she was NOT taken to court and I provided evidence that she was taken to court and you are changing the tides to now say she was the one that started it. Was that the argument in the first place? Did she goto court with her claim? Has Suleiman charged her for defamation?

You are a good deflector and damage controller but I am very ready for you today.

What evidence did you provide? A blog post compared to a video of the lawyer countering your claim? You are a clown.