fratermathy: So you have changed it to "planning to file" now and you claim to be a Christian o. Why the lies and double words? Anyway, I am not surprised. Like mentor, like worshipper.
You never said she was taken to court for defamation yet I was the one that introduced court to this conversation when I asked why Suleiman hasn't charged her for libel and defamation? Do you think you are talking with a mediocre mind?
You are just a double mouthed fellow and hypocritical liar like your almighty "oracle"!
In the video you posted, she was allegedly charged for blackmail before she even revealed anything at all. So what exactly was she blackmailing him with? Why didn't he provide proof of her blackmail? He wants to do media trial and can't swallow one?
His cup is full and will remain so.
Please provide my post where I stated that Stephenie Otobo was taken to court for defamation of character by apostle suleman. Post it here let everyone see who the liar is.
fratermathy: So now it is the duty of MVAA to respond to why your "father-in-the-lord's" name was doing in connection with Ms. Okeke's car abi?
Using that line of logic, it is also Suleiman's responsibility, not yours, to respond to the allegations on him. So where exactly is he and his response? Should we wait eternally for a "robust response" like that of Pastor Biodun of COZA?
Hypocrites!!!
Hehehe,this guy don deflect.
Yes it is the duty of the Lagos MVVA to respond to why the name was removed. If it is not their duty, whose duty is it then? Yours?
I laugh. Here is the video of Stephenie Otobo lawyer accusing apostle suleman that they didn't blackail him but that they wrote a legal letter asking for N500m damages. It was never taken to court. Like I said you know nothing.
fratermathy: She was taken to court on account of TERRORISM, not defamation of character. A charge that was never proven or substantiated by the pastor. The man ignored her claims, proving her truthfulness and pinned terrorism on her . How laughable. So Suleiman now pays money to terrorists!
Seriously this is a shame. I thought you said she wasn't taken to court? Now, if you don't know cos it is obvious, she was taken to court for blackmail and terrorism. I never said that she was taken for defamation of character by apostle suleman. It is Daniella okeke whom is planning to file such and will deeply affect Otobo and her lawyers.
See video below when one of keyamo lawyers stating it clearly that apostle suleman charged her to court for blackmail.
fratermathy: There is no issue here. Simply post the video or statement here so that I can respond to it after seeing it myself. I'm not so deluded as to say something on what I have not seen or confirmed myself.
I watched all her videos and read her statements and never did I come across one where she said there was an introduction. If so, kindly present it. I only heard the introduction issue from Suleiman Media Centre as a concoction of his perverse imagination. What she said was that he proposed to marry her.
She has gone to court already. Has Suleiman done the same? Why is he afraid of charging her with defamation and libel?
Please provide the link stating that she has taken the case to court.
fratermathy: I never crucified the pastor. I crucified the belief in the infallibility of the pastor and his defence by members of the Suleiman Worshippers Council.
He can only prove himself innocent when he sues Otobo to court for defamation. The evidence is against him. There is nothing whatsoever that absolves him of complicity so you do not have any case here.
Honestly,is it that you guys are illiterates and can't differentiate between apostle suleman and Daniella? Daniella is the one sueing for defamation of character not apostle suleman. And if you don't know he took her to court that's how things are done. I have provided the video to prove this.
fratermathy: His name is associated with a lot of cars abi? So he is now a car dealer? He gives out cars registered in his name freely to random actresses?
How many members of his church have cars to begin with?
Let us even assume that he dashed Okeke his car. Why was his name suspiciously removed from the Lagos MVAA website when it was clear that he was complicit as Otobo revealed? If he was innocent, why was his name removed?
Ope o!
This is laughable, if you read the write up and several others you will see it stated clearly that he gives out cars some are even from his garage to members and people. Now you asked a good question about why his name was removed by Lagos MVVA, the right and appropriate thing for you to do is to question the Lagos MVVA on why it was removed and not coming online to be making baseless comments. The Lagos MVVA is in best position to provide such answers.
fratermathy: There is no issue here. Simply post the video or statement here so that I can respond to it after seeing it myself. I'm not so deluded as to say something on what I have not seen or confirmed myself.
I watched all her videos and read her statements and never did I come across one where she said there was an introduction. If so, kindly present it. I only heard the introduction issue from Suleiman Media Centre as a concoction of his perverse imagination. What she said was that he proposed to marry her.
She has gone to court already. Has Suleiman done the same? Why is he afraid of charging her with defamation and libel?
It is funny that you don't know that she was taken to court first. Shame
See the video here at 5mins she even said that she was taken to court
Now on the case of traditional marriage, no video yet as she was still in court but the good news is that her dad is a witness to this event. That's how the law works
fratermathy: What direct bearing does Joseph's Biblical accusation has to do with Suleiman's case? Is Suleiman a slave to Otobo? Did he claim to have been tempted like Joseph was? Did he say he was set up? In fact, he said NOTHING useful other than the fact that the government is after him. Did Joseph arrest and falsely accuse Potiphar's wife?
In fact, some calling upon religious sentiments in this case. Just because one is a Christian does not mean s/he should be blind to the excesses of these pastorpreneurs. No man is perfect and infallible. Any sick and deluded fellow can decided to be a pastor tomorrow. That will not change his nature.
Always keep an open mind. There is always a possibility that Otobo is lying, in which case we shall find out the truth. There is also every possibility that she is saying the truth and Suleiman has refused to comment on it. If you close your mind to the second possibility, you become a religious bigot and no better than Islamic fundamentalists.
Did you really write this? Am seriously disappointed again. So you don't know that both accusations are sexually related cases right? You don't need to be a lawyer to know how law works. .The books are available online, go and read them and educate yourself.
Also if there is a possibility of her lying why crucify the pastor or pastors without a judgement in court.
There is a statement that says innocent until proven guilty. Is that true or false? Answer that question.
fratermathy: They are not men of God. They are men who serve God, like every other man, and they are susceptible to human urges, desires and failings. I have seen the best of men fall to primal instincts and repressed desires. I know how these pastors think and how they use their cult followership to deceive indoctrinated gullible bigots.
I never spoke on behalf of Otobo or Okeke. Everything I have written on this thread is based on available evidence from her videos, all of which I watched, her statements and the ensuing saga. While there is a high possibility that she may have concocted these up. There is also every possibility that she is saying the truth. Just because she is a prostitute does not mean she is a liar. So also, just because Suleiman is a pastor does not mean he is infallible. My attack on his blind followers, such as yourself, is that you close your minds to the possibility of his guilt. I fault that line of thought and believe that it is counterproductive.
The issue is out and everyone has been speaking on it. The claims have been made and Suleiman HAS NOT SUED Otobo for libel and defamation, neither has Okeke done so. Need I remind you that his name was found in association with Okeke's car. He cannot be proven innocent and presumed so until he sues and argues his case. In the absence of such, it is safe to assume his complicity (I won't go so far to say guilt). He has shined that congo! Take it or leave it.
This is an argument all of you put together cannot win.
fratermathy: I never saw her say they did any introduction in all the videos I watched. If you have a video of her saying such, kindly present the link for verification. That assertion is a concoction of Suleiman's pervert imagination. She only claimed he promised her marriage and that was all.
She released a photo of his lustful face, smiling to Otobo's breasts and his worshippers claimed it was a photoshop. Kindly present the original photo from where his faceshot was taken from or was the photo created by El Rufai and Otobo?
She said Okeke was his mistress and we ended up seeing his name turn up in the ownership of a car associated with Okeke only for the name to go off barely 48 hours later and his worshippers did not suspect foul play.
Since you have become his mouthpiece, kindly respond to the above!!!
Suleiman is complicit and he has done NOTHING to vindicate himself. Calling out and blaming the devil and phantom enemies is an age-old religious strategy that only indoctrinated bigots fall for.
May I also remind you that what he purportedly had with her was an affair in which secrecy was of paramount importance. You don't expect both of them to snap photos and put on the internet, not when he hasn't divorced his wife to marry her. However, she does claim to have pictures of him holding his private organs, I reckon from a screen-grabbed video chat.
You worshippers should be very careful when defending these pastoral rascals. This story may turn out to be true with the way Suleiman has been handling it. Better remove the wool in your brain and understand that no man is infallible. Even Jesus was tempted and supposedly doubted his mission on earth. Suleiman is no Jesus. He is a mere mortal who thinks himself an "Oracle"! He has urges like every other man and if his wife cannot satisfy him, no one knows what can happen.
So think very well and open your mind. There are dots on both Otobo's and Suleiman's part of the story but one thing is certain... They were both in sexual cahoots with each other. In other words, he shined her congo!
That means that you didn't watch the video, you only listened to the part you want to hear. When you listen to the video again you will even hear when one of the interviews raising the issue up and she said that she will leave that part out knowing that she flopped. Also it is not the matter of dots or not the issue here is for her to go to court. That is how law works not by mouth
fratermathy: I have consistently asked for a proof of Otobo saying that a traditional marriage ceremony was done and no one has been able to provide proof of such here. I watched ALL her videos and read all her statements and this only thing I found remotely related to marriage was that the pastor promised to marry her and dump his wife.
Ese Walter's case was more of a blackmail than this in that she never went to court or substantiated her claims yet many believed her. You said it yourself now that you never supported the COZA pastor even when proof was never presented.
Okeke should attempt to take the case to court. Don't speak on her behalf. So far, no case of defamation has been launched by either Okeke (Suleiman's lover) or Suleiman himself. The right thing to do if your name is being dragged to the mud is to immediately sue for defamation and libel. You don't waste time on that. COZA pastor never did such. He said he will come with a robust response and till today, we never saw any.
Suleiman should not hide behind his worshippers and e-warriors. We all know he is complicit in this issue. The earlier he defends himself, the better for him. I am savvy to the information that more proof will come out. The photo of his penis is not needed to prove anything. That of his lustful smiles in a facetime was denied even when they couldn't account for how his faceshot was taken. Is it his penis that they haven't seen that they will agree is real?
Note am not speaking on behalf of Okeke, neither should you speak on behalf of otobo. As it stands she hasnt provided any proof and in the rule of law Apostle suleman is innocent until proven guilty. Fact...So stop all these your merry go round and black painting of men of God up and down.
Alphamale2017: how did they meet the other prostitute that they have been helping an showing on the church tv even before, the evidence of the car to okeke maybe true but how true is the story tied to the evidence ? The case of joseph the evidence was true , the shirt submited by portiphars wife was true, how true was the story she tied along with the evidence, if joseph was in this generation we will all have killed him. Becos the shirt was obviously his own. The evidence naybe true . But how true is the story tied to it ??
The funny thing is that many Christians have forgotten this accusation Joseph also faced in the bible. Shame. Innocent until proven guilty.
fratermathy: There was absolutely no evidence presented by Ese Walter in the COZA saga. What she did was just more of a statement and that was enough for people to believe her. So stop lying.
Secondly, Suleiman has been accusing people of different things in his church without any proof whatsoever. He arrested Otobo and charged her for terrorism without proof. He said El Rufai was behind his travails and did not provide any proof whatsoever. So he and his worshippers can't swallow his own bitter pill?
When Ms. Otobo came out with her claims and the photo, someone else found the link between him and Okeke as Otobo confessed. Otobo also accepted to provide more evidence in court should the need arise. However, Suleiman NEVER filed a suit for libel and presented his case in any way. The case in court now was filed by Otobo against Suleiman. Suleiman never filed any suit against Otobo or Sahara Reporters for defamation of his character. If I was a public figure and a random lady comes to defame my character, I will file a suit that will lock her up for all eternity. The only reason why I may not do so is if she has something tangible against me.
If he was so sure of his innocence, why keep quiet without speaking out. Why not go to court and prove your innocence. Why not convince sceptics of your innocence. Nobody knows Otobo from adams and we have no emotional sentiment to believe her over the pastor but the pastor has simply refused to do basic things to prove his innocence.
The prostitute has made the claims and released a picture. She has mentioned Okeke's name and that has been collaborated with evidence. The "apostle" claims to know her as a prostitute and conceded giving her money yet failed to absolve himself of any wrongdoing in the matter.
Until he comes out with the truth or at least, a rational argument, he remains complicit. He was in sexual cahoots with the lady!
Ese walter didnt take the issue to court in case you dont know, that was her being ignorant same thing otobo is doing. You dont win cases on tv or blogs. That is my stand.
Yes she mentioned okeke, but you forget that she claimed not to remember the person when in court, also claimed that the traditional wedding was done at her fathers compound which her own father denied. Then she switched and said that it was done in the pastors office. Someone that can give stable facts do you think what she said will be taken seriously in court? Was there an agreement between her and the pastor that he will marry her? If yes let her provide it. As for okeke, i pity otobo. If okeke eventually takes the case of defamation to court, she will hear am.
fratermathy: Can't you see the irony in calling people "idiots" when you and your ilk are actually the ones defending an ordinary man who has not been able to prove his innocence is a case of sexual misconduct with a lady.
Ms. Otobo has revealed her part with some proof and even offered herself for investigation. She acknowledged the presence of more proofs even. Whatever her reasons are or whether she was sent or not are inconsequential as long as she has verifiable proofs.
Suleiman, on the other hand, appealed to religious sentiments and the idiocy in all his worshippers rather than rationally defending himself or shutting the hell up. He claimed she is terrorist without proof. He said he knows her as a prostitute and stripper yet conceded to giving her money which Otobo confirmed to the tone of millions of naira. He said he is being persecuted without drawing any logical or direct link between Otobo's case and whatever political problems he may have. His worshippers argue with emotions, rather than reason even with all the obvious missing dots.
Any rational mind will be careful of defending the man even when such person is open to the idea of his innocence. Even at that, the lady has not done anything but prove her case and showing her willingness to prove it further, which I believe she will.
So be honest with yourself and ask who the real idiots are in this altercation. Those who saw the facts and the pastor's lame excuse and attempts at damage control and decided to take the rational side while keeping their minds open to the pastor's innocence if he can prove his case or those who just assume he is innocent out of emotional and religious sentiments simply because he is a "pastor" and rule out ANY possibility of the accusation being true? The answer is glaringly obvious.
What you dont understand is that before you lay an accusation you must provide evidence. Now supporting someone who hasnt provided any tangible evidence especially in a serious issue like this is pitiful. Some people dont know about defamation law, others dont know about the law to the breach of promise to marry but you see them talking and supporting a prostitute who hasnt provided proof. Is such not ignorant? According to the rule of law, Apostle suleman is innocent until proven guilty. Abi no be so? Yes or No?
So this isnt a case of me alsways supporting pastors( i didnt support the coza pastor then as there were evidences provided) but in this case where are the evidence?
Alphamale2017: lol u are the one thinking with ur ass , now listen to me, first of all he gives money to his members too so let me quickly correct that. The choir master in omega had to return the jeep he bought for him saying he wants a lessser one with less maintenance cost, and he bought him another in less than 2 weeks. This same apostle prophised to a student in auchi polythechnic, prayed for him, gave him 500k and told one of his pastors to bring one golf car from his garage and give to him. This nor be them say. I have seen the golf, red in colour. The guy was not even a member, he was a catholic , apostle only went to their school to preach. Also in the crusade in benin last year. A girl left samuel ogbemudia staduim with over 1 million naira cash, he gave her one of his escort police van to drive her and give her security till she gets to the bank , all this i am telling u are not them say. This is first hand xperience. You claiming he send huge millions to a prostitute does not automatically translate to payment for sex. Someone can help u with huge money and yet wint have sex with u , its hard to believe becos u are a product of a bleeped generation with perverted thinking who find it hard to help a girl without having sex with her, if u watch celebration tv , the ministry's official tv channel. U will see that there are countless girls abroad who he has sent money to lots of people into prostitution for them to come back home , some stay over 10 yrs without making anything, and he sends them money to fly back home to nigeria then when u come, the ministry record ur story on a tape and show on their tv channel to discourage people from travelling abroad by landing and going into prostitution. She said the relationship lasted from 2015. So u want to tell me that for 2 years u do not have a pix with ur patner while chilling abroad, are u a learner ? U said he did introduction in delta state , then changed ur story line and said it was in his office. Really ? Office ? , and yet no single pix of the introduction ceremony. Nigerians are wack sha. If u could believe in mmm with their destiny then its very easy to sell this story to the same slowpoke. The details in this story are too incoherent to be true,
Dont mind the numerous idiots were full nairaland.
sweatlana: Shut up! A written statement on oath is evidence. She may have witnesses that also is evidence! She may also plead the accused conduct towards her e.g giving her large amounts of money. Playing her bill. Sending her on luxury trips as part of her evidence!
Where do people sign agreement to marry?
Dont ever quote me again if you dont have sense and dont know how the rule of law works. Stop displaying your stupidity on nairaland.
fratermathy: And how do you know she won't provide proof in court? Have you talked to her and she said she has no proof?
Stop operating double standards already. Keep your mind open. Anything is a possibility. You can't support the pastor and pride yourself as being neutral.
She has provided a snapchat at least. What proof has the so-called "Oracle of God" provided about her being a terrorist and having connections with Boko Haram?
Abeg e.! Stop defending pastors and enjoy the drama.
Then let her do and stop media trial. Cases are not won in YouTube or blogs.. Stop defending a prostitute
fratermathy: So we have to provide proof that his account was hacked yet your pastor cannot provide proof that Otobo is a terrorist linked with Boko Haram or that El Rufai sent her. Or did El Rufai mention her in his tweets too?
She has provided enough evidence to the media. Let her present the others in a law court. But before then where was the faceshot gotten from, why did he give a prostitute money and why was the website containing his name as the owner of a car associated with Okeke taken off suspiciously?
The above questions are from facts that we already know and they are dots that the pastor has not answered. It's not about asking for proof. The accusation has been made and is in the public already. It behoves him to clear his name by doing the needful... Connect the dots!
How do you know he didn't provide proof? Where you in court when Otobo was taken to court? Seriously you guys are arguing off point.. If Otobo thinks she can use that nonsense snapchat let her take the pastor to court already and stop all these propaganda on TV.
fratermathy: Be disappointed all you want, I am not surprised. So you rule out hacking of accounts to publish tweets or creation of fake accounts to do so yet believe in verification of facetime snapshots?
My questions are very simple you know: where was the faceshot was gotten from, why did he give a prostitute money and why was the website containing his name as the owner of a car associated with Okeke taken off suspiciously?
Hacking of account is a different case then you have to provide proof that it was hacked not just word of mouth. You guys should get that to your skulls. In law, you must provide proof. El rufai made so many tweets that have now been used against him but immunity covers him so it is pointless in his case but Otobo has to provide proof. She claimed that the pastor promised her marriage, then she must provide proof. Was there a written agreement, or video /audio evidence? Let her provide all these proof and stop media talk and trial. You don't win cases in TV and nairaland
HardMirror: Hehehehe. Una no go kill me with laughter.
So you are holding unto elrufia's tweet as evidence for suleman, but otobo's tweet is not enough?
Besides what was suleman's evidence that otobo was working with boko haram. He could not present any.
But otobo has asked police to go thru her bank statement and her passport and so same for apostle. Or did they embassies also conspire against suleman? Lol
Honestly you guys are an embarrassment. Yes your tweets can be used but a picture on social media which can be adulterated cannot be used unless proved that it is the original in court.
HardMirror: My brother. Otobo is a prostitute. She is not denying that. She is only after the money, she want to make the money quick. So let's enjoy the show. Afterall I don't know why suleman could be so stupid to play into her hands. Leave court matter for now, she is enjoying the attention. And I am enjoying the whole show too. Next time he would learn how to distance himself from her type. Don't know why the holy spirit did not warn him.
So you agree that this is a show yet you have already concluded who the guilty one is before the show ended. Let her continue to show her backwardness. It is not those who rushes to talk first that will win a case
fratermathy: So tweets can be used but facetime screen grabs can't be used as evidence?
You guys request for more proofs than what has been given, what more proofs do you have of El Rufai's complicity?
He accused Otobo of terrorism, what proof has he tendered?
Again, you have deflected my questions on where the faceshot was gotten from, why he gave a prostitute money and why the website containing his name as the owner of a car associated with Okeke was taken off suspiciously.
There are more proofs against this man that he could ever have against El Rufai.
If he was so sure of El Rufai's complicity, why didn't he go to court or sign a petition against him if he couldn't?
I am highly disappointed in you. Now its have proved to you that your tweets can be used against you because it is written by the individual that's why most people when they tweets rubbish they rush to delete them because it is highly sensitive. But when you post an image clarity has to be provided because a lot of people do Photoshop. Eg: https://www.nairaland.com/3629995/see-what-woman-did-another
Hence you have to prove that the snapchat is real which requires a lot.
Also note that you can't take El rufai to court because of immunity. Honestly your argument is pointless
HardMirror: I want to understand you honestly. What is your point? Sule is innocent or what?
Cos I am not sayin otobo is not after money nor am I saying keyamo is not after money.
My point is they have something they are holding unto, sule has played into their hands.
Sule is innocent until proven guilty that is how it works in law. Let Stephenie Otobo stop media trial and take the case to court.. Apostle suleman cannot be judged on TVC and Nairaland
fratermathy: So El Rufai's tweets can be used as proof but someone else's testimony against the pastor cannot?
Double standards, like I said.
And yes, you are defending the pastor. She has said she has proof and has made some key statements. One of which is the fact the Okeke is Sulaiman's mistress and we ended up seeing a car registered in Sulaiman's name. Later on, it was taken down suspiciously and you defenders see no problem with that. She provided a screen grab of her face time with him and you said it was a photoshop, where did she get his faceshot from? She mentioned countries, hotels, etc, and asked the police to investigate. Has that been concluded?
What more proof do you want exactly? Has Suleiman even asked for proof? What's his argument? BMC and EMC or APCMC. Laughable!
If you want proof, tell Suleiman to organise a join press conference let them bring their passports for a simple examination.
Are you an illiterate? Don't you know your tweets can stand against you? Do you know that El rufai got someone arrested for posting false information about kaduna killings. It is obvious you don't know anything.
A lot of you here don't know the law, you don't know how things work yet you will just be posting rubbish up and down.
fratermathy: But if a pastor accuses someone of something, just like Suleiman accuses El Rufai of complicity, even without proof, you will believe because he is "a man of God"?
Even with the little she has produced like the picture. How has the "apostle" defended himself? They said it's a photoshop. Where was his faceshot gotten from? We can all agree that is his face. No picture like that was on the Internet so where did she get it from?
Secondly, he conceded to knowing her as a prostitute and a stripper yet agreed that he gave her money to help her. Why should a pastor donate church funds to known prostitutes?
Be careful when defending these pastors. They are men like us too and are far more susceptible to sexual temptations.
El rufai has enough proof against him already. .go and check his twitter handle showing that he is a religious bigot. A man who pays Fulani herdsmen not to kill instead of getting them arrested. His immunity as governor is just helping him now. SMH Take note am not defending the pastor, let her provide proof and stop all these senseless noise making
fratermathy: She never said she didn't have money. She said her account was frozen. Anyone could have posted bail for her. Even her lawyers could have done that. After all she has friends in Nigeria and in Canada. She's not a bird that fell from the sky.
Let her also provide proof that it was frozen or is it part of the fictitious evidences that she claimed got lost in her laptop?
Christianity Etc › Re: Lady Lays Curse On Stephanie Otobo, Begs Apostle Suleman For Help by dragonking3: 9:49pm On Mar 15, 2017
