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honesttalk21:
Berbers are predominantly located in North African countries such as Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Mauritania, Mali, and northern Niger.

In Algeria, approximately one-fourth of the population is estimated to be Berber, while in Morocco, Berbers are estimated to make up more than three-fifths of the population.

From where have they been wiped out unless wiped out no longer means totally eradicated?



The legacy of colonialism continues to impact Africa’s growth and stability. International control over Africa’s resources and economies has been a significant factor contributing to the continent’s underdevelopment. The exploitation by external powers disrupt indigenous systems, hinder technological progress, and perpetuate economic disparities that continue to affect Africa today.

Africa exports raw materials like cotton but imported manufactured goods due to technological stagnation caused by European interference.

Various global superpowers and countries provided support to either Nigeria or Biafra, influenced by economic interests, Cold War dynamics, and regional alliances. The key players in this international double play include Great Britain, the Soviet Union, France, China, the United States, and several other minor countries.

Africa, despite its abundant natural resources, remains one of the poorest regions in the world. The continent has persistently lagged behind other continents in terms of economic wealth and human capital development. This situation can be attributed to a combination of historical factors, including colonial exploitation and more recent issues such as corruption and mismanagement. You may recall when the past military regime in 1983-85 tried to recover the loot of Dikko from UK and recently how the west keeps allowing their institutions remain safe havens for looted funds which should develop Africa.

al-Lat’s temple was in Ta’if and was demolished. I have told you before that the pre-islamic polytheist say we worship them (i.e. the idols) only so that they may bring us nearer to Allah." (Quran 39:3).

Worship at the Kaaba and prayers in the direction of the kaaba are strictly towards Allah.

Both relatives of the prophet Muhammad pbuh; his grandfather, Abdul Mutalib, and his uncle, Abu Talib, did not accept Islam. So you see your unfounded claims?

Nah. Arabs are the ones who dominate the Northern Africa today. Sink that into your useless unintelligent skull.

To think your useless unintelligent self is exonerating the criminals Arabs who now dominate the North Africa while the aborigines were wiped out shows how useless and stupid you're !

Mohammad changed allat to allah with the same double LL 📌because he wasn't cool with the fact that it's a female deity hence why allat's mecca is being used today. The useless allah which promises a brothel heaven doesn't even know the count of the days to begin with 😅 since it created light after the earth according to the unintelligent camel urine drinking criminal Pedophile Mohammad 😂

That's why it can't be Ela which means light, enlightenment, clarity and intelligence in Yoruba language btw. Ela who is Omoloju Eledumare/Olodumare is the absolute extension or visible manifestation of Olodumare hence, is the primordial vessel (Oduduwa) which embodies Olodumare Ayeraye to manifest Obatala (light) to create the universe.

honesttalk21:
Backwardness you say. What sort of independence was given to African countries? Were they not made to adopt the practices of their Colonial masters in their pseudo independence? Are they still not subjected to them in the queer guise of world and United government bodies? Tell me which one has been able to design their own governing system as was in the pre-colonised era?

Independence has not translated to prosperity or justice for all Africans. It brought challenges such as internal conflicts, ethnic divisions, corruption, neocolonialism, globalization, and the need to redefine and reassert independence in the face of new forms of oppression.

Africa’s independence can be viewed as a mixed reality depending on various perspectives. On one hand, most African countries have achieved political sovereignty with their governments, constitutions, flags, national anthems recognized by international community. On the other hand, many countries still face challenges such as legacy impacts of colonialism/imperialism/slavery (ethnic conflicts/artificial borders), external influences (former colonizers/multinational corporations/international organizations), underdevelopment/dependency/poverty which limit their freedom/agency. Thus it is essential to acknowledge both achievements & challenges when considering Africa’s independence today.

There is no proof that allat became Allah and you just say what you feel as they seem similar.

So it's the Europeans who asked Africans not to improve African countries since the Europeans left or asked you to be drinking unhealthy camel urine, even as the Fulani criminals refused to be civilized with their useless ulterior motives!

If the Europeans had acted like Arab did to Northern Africa who were wiped out by the Arabs, you wouldn't even be here saying gibberish to begin with.

Nigeria for example had functional regional system which accelerated a lot of development and great things until it was destroyed by criminals in 1967 yet you're blaming the Europeans?

Anyways, the proof of allat becoming allah is allat's stone ritual today and also the crescent, as well as Mohammad's grandfather. The mention of a perverted brothel heaven by the lunatic criminal Mohammad is another clue..

Pre Mohammed Arabs who were practicing Christianity called God Ilah (ilah) derived from the Jewish and Aramaic name for God, Ela/Eloah📌

honesttalk21:
All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents.

The original inhabitants of North Africa, prior to Arab invasions and the trans-Saharan slave trade, were primarily Berber tribes. The Berbers are an ethnic group indigenous to North Africa, including regions such as Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Mauritania. They have a diverse range of physical appearances, including varying skin tones.

The Berber people traditionally had a range of skin colors that could be described as fair to olive-toned to darker shades. This variation in skin color among the Berber tribes was due to a combination of genetic diversity and historical interactions with other populations in the region

And where are the majority of the Berbers in North Africa today? Murdered and displaced.

The Berbers were the Libyans described as having tawny skins who cover their skins with feathers as described by the Greek traveller Herodotus who differentiated the Berbers from the Black Egyptians.

Both the Blacks Egyptians and the Berbers Libyans and also in Tunisia were all wiped out by the criminal Arabs yet your unintelligent useless self is saying what exactly? Are you stupid?

honesttalk21:
Al-Lat/Allat is not Allah and was worshipped as a separate deity in pre-Islamic Arabia. Your claims on dislike about her ferminity is too far reaching. Did Islam not abolish killing the female child?

Al-Lat was considered a chief deity of certain tribes like Banu Thaqif in Ta’if. However, her worship ended when her temple in Ta’if was destroyed on the orders of Muhammad. What tribe is Muhammad pbuh of?

The slanderous claims of paedophilia are untrue and unfounded.

Also camel urine furnished promising antibacterial activities against gram-positive bacteria, namely Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus cereus, Bacillus subtilis and Micrococcus luteus, as well as gram-negative bacteria, especially Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae. This is from scientific research not the careless statements.

The backwardness I was just talking about.

While every sane people are trying to live in innovative civilized world, this one is still living in the barbaric backward practice of Arab foreign religion which doesn't concern him in the first place. Were you under rock when it was certified that camel urine is unhealthy for the body? If you had a brain to begin with, you would know urine is a waste product! Mohammad was dumb and that was why he drank camel's urine..

And yes, allah is from allat stone deity at Mecca. That was the deity which Mohammad grandfather almost sacrificed his child to.

Pre Mohammed Arabs who were practicing Christianity call God "ilah" which is derived from Jewish and Aramaic name for God which is "elah/eloah"

Mohammed came and elevated the allat deity which his grandfather almost sacrificed his child to. That was why the criminal pedophile Mohammed continued with the ritual of crescent and stone worshipping at allat's Mecca. Mohammed wasn't cool with it being a female deity thus changed to a male deity coined from allat. Added with his criminality, camel urine drinking, pedophila (he married 6 yrs Aisha for example) while his useless unintelligible self promised a brothel heaven. The nerves!

honesttalk21:
I am not in any way exonerating the Arabs; both practices were bad. Simply stating that European practices even over a shorter period were more severe.

What is the true skin colour of the Indians. Remember they too were colonised and even much longer than most African countries?

Have the Europeans really left Africa or you uphold this pseudo independence that is still colonisation? How many types of South African s exist?

More severe yet Africans are still existing in Africa lands and Europe unlike in Northern Africans and Saudi were they were wiped out? You must be insane!

Meanwhile, the Europeans are not the ones who asked African countries not to elevate and improve their countries while some Africans "carry" backward foreign religion on top head and start to drink camel urine, even as the backward Fulani criminals refused to be civilized with their useless ulterior motives. Heck, some Africans destroyed their functional regionalism.

honesttalk21:
Would say comical but the extent of assumption is incredible. Allah, according to several Arabic lexicons, means "the Being Who comprises all the attributes of perfection", i.e. the Being Who is perfect in every way (in His knowledge, power etc.), and possesses the best and the noblest qualities imaginable in the highest degree.

Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning 'the', and ilah meaning 'god').
Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah ('O Allah!') would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al ('the') must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb similarly Ya ar-Rahman is wrong so it is Ya Rahman.


Allah was NOT one of the gods of the pre-Islamic Arabs, but was recognised by them as the supreme, abstract God. There was no idol which they called "Allah". The Quran quotes the idol-worshippers as presenting the argument that:
"We worship them (i.e. the idols) only so that they may bring us nearer to Allah." (39:3)

Of course I already opined that allat/allah isn't from ilah just like I have severally stated.

Pre Mohammed Arabs who were practicing Christianity call God "ilah" which is derived from Jewish and Aramaic name for God which is "elah/eloah"📌

However, Mohammed came and elevated the allat deity which his grandfather almost sacrificed his child to.

The allah name is got from allat deity at mecca whom Muhammad's grandfather almost sacrificed his child to. Mohammed wasn't cool with it being a female deity thus changed it to a male deity but continued with the crescent and stone worshipping at allat's mecca nonetheless, added with his criminality, pedophila, camel urine drinking while his unintelligent useless self promised a perverted brothel heaven. The nerves!

Anyways, all that ain't even my business. Point is Africans are not Arabs!

honesttalk21:
I sense a bias in favour of the Europeans.

You should note that while both Arab and European slavers subjected African slaves to inhumane treatment, there were variations in how they utilized their enslaved populations. Arab slavers often preferred African women over men for various purposes.
Europeans primarily used African slaves for labor-intensive tasks on plantations in the Americas, leading to significant exploitation and abuse. They went as far as padlocking the mouth to prevent consumption of plantation produce.

In Arab slavery, body distortions were not as widespread as in European slavery. However, some Arab slave owners practiced castration on male slaves to prevent them from reproducing or to serve as eunuchs in harems.
In contrast, European slavery was characterized by a higher prevalence of body distortions among African slaves. Enslaved individuals were often subjected to extreme physical labor that resulted in deformities and musculoskeletal issues. Additionally, some European slave owners engaged in practices such as foot binding or dental mutilation that caused lasting body distortions among the enslaved population.

European slavery exhibited a higher incidence of body distortions due to the harsh working conditions and additional practices aimed at dehumanizing the enslaved individuals.

You're the one exonerating the criminal Arabs. If the European had acted as Arabs, you wouldn't even be here saying anything 🤔

Meanwhile, the Europeans have left African lands, even as the Africans are still in their own African countries which Europeans previously occupied before leaving!

That can't be said for the Arabs who are still occupying African lands while the northern Africans were wiped out.

That's my answer!

honesttalk21:
The influence of bias on History.

Do you not know that The Romans occupied Egypt in 30 BC after defeating the forces of Cleopatra VII and Mark Antony at the Battle of Actium.

You choose to ignore the Roman origin of the Byzantine army?

The Byzantine rule in Egypt had been weakened due to previous occupations by the Sasanian Empire, making it vulnerable to the Arab invasion. The conquest of Egypt was strategically significant as it not only ended Byzantine control but also provided access to the wealth of the region.

The Arab conquest of Egypt was a pivotal event that ended Byzantine rule in the region.
Amr ibn al-As proposed the invasion of Egypt due to its wealth and strategic importance, despite initial reluctance from Caliph Umar.

I simply stated the truth. I know of the European occupation in Africa which I have also stated, even as we all saw the same in Nigeria.

Point is If the Europeans had acted like Arab, you wouldn't even be here today saying anything. Your ancestors would have been murdered or castrated like Arabs did to the Northern Africans while the Arabs occupy the North Africa land till today.

Of course this isn't exonerating the Europeans who also enslaved Africans but the Arabs were far worse. Also, it was the European who stopped slavery whereas Arab didn't want to.

SIRTee15:
If Allah was introduced to Arabs, why was Muhammed's father called Abdullah meaning slave of Allah.
How can someone be called slave of a deity not known to his tribe.

Exactly. Allat was Mohammad's tribe stone deity at Mecca. If the child was female, it would be LLAT but if it was male child, it would be AbduLLAH, like Mohammad's father who was worshiping Allat.

That was why Mohammad elevated Allat deity among the other deities but wasn't cool at the fact that it was a female deity thus changed it to a male but continued with allat's crescent and stone worshipping at Mecca anyways😂 He then added the Jewish history narrated to him by his brother in-law Waraqah who was practising Christianity however the criminal Mohammad continued with his criminality, pedophila, camel urine drinking and promise of a brothel heaven😂😂😂 The unintelligent criminal lunatic Arab man!

Sheuns:
Africans aren’t Arabs. That I agree.

Good you know.

As I already stated, no useless idiot has any right to kill anyone over any religion, let alone kill any indigenous people in their ancestral territory over a foreign religion. Na craze?

babasolution:
Pseudo history, you don not know what you are saying

Historical cold facts which your delusional dumb head couldn't take.

As for those shuwa fools, they had better fvck off African soil and go meet their unknown rapist criminal fathers if their ungrateful shameless foolish selves can't see themselves as Africans while living on Africa soil. No wonder South Sudan broke away.

Sheuns:
Lol. You sabi twist history.

Al-Lat is different from Allah.

Aramaic is a language similar to Arabic; they must have borrowed some words from each other. Take example Bini and Yoruba languages have some similarities in words and pronunciation even meanings.

Elah or Elaha or Alaha is God in Aramaic. Allah is God in Arabic.

Waraqah ibn Nawfal was a cousin to Khadijah just as Khadijah was a cousin to Muhammed. All 3 are cousins of each other. He practiced monotheism; worship of one God unlike the Quraysh that practiced polytheism. It was not recorded anywhere that he was a Christian as you claimed. Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Isaac, Joseph and a lot of prophets mentioned in the Quran and Bible all practiced monotheism and remember at that time they were books like Torah, Injil, Sabur given to Moses, Jesus and David respectively. Injil means Gospels of Jesus, Sabur means Psalms of David. Waraqah in Nawfal practiced monotheism and not Christianity as you mentioned.

The Quraysh still worshipped Al-lat even when Muhammed preached of Allah.

Allah is not a stone; Kaaba is not Allah; the Kaaba was built by Abraham with his son Ismael many years before Muhammed. The Quraysh took over the place and used it to house their gods before the Muslims led by Muhammed reclaimed Makkah after they fled to Yathrib (renamed Medinat Anabi) from constant persecution by the hands of the Quraysh.

Muhammed was never in history before he became and after he became a Prophet referred to as a criminal or accused of being an unjust person. The Quraysh respected him and referred to him as a trustworthy person.

There are many resources out there that can help you get better understanding of history. It is unfair to twist to suit your narrative because you believe you have the knowledge that others may not be privy to have.

No be only built by Abraham 😂 You're taking the word of the camel urine drinking criminal Arab pedophile Mohammad ?lol😂 Have you forgotten Abraham never ventured anywhere else, except Cannan? While his descendants from the Black Jacob went to Egypt and spent several centuries with the Black Kemet Egyptians to become more multiples of several thousands black Africans before they returned back to Cannan after the Egyptians sent them out.

Btw, Aramaic name for God is ilah derived from the Jewish elah/eloah. There's no double LL there.

Mohammad 's Allah is the same as Allat. Mohammad only changed allat to allah because he wasn't cool with it being a woman 😂 That's why Mohammed says "there's no ilah but allah"

Camel urine drinking pedophile Mohammed changed allat to allah because he wasn't cool with it being a female however he continued with the crescent and stone worshipping at mecca😂 He added the Jewish history narrated to him by his brother in-law Waraqah who was practising Christianity while he continued with his criminality, pedophila and camel urine drinking with a promise of a brothel heaven😂 😂 The dumb criminal lunatic!

Anyways, all that are not even my business. Point is Africans are not Arabs!📌

babasolution:
You are talking pseudo history not facts,there is no facts in your narrative of shuwa Arabs etc or that Arabs were stopped by Europeans.

It's a fundamental lie,I suspect you aren't based in Africa that's why you talking this way,come down to Africa and see.

Arabs cud have never enslaved Africans,even the Europeans cud not if slaves weren't sold to them.

I stated facts whereas you're simply delusionally dumb. The same Arab criminals admitted they invaded Egypt after the camel urine drinking pedophile Mohammed died. Heck, all their atrocities are found in Northern Africa.

Meanwhile, it seems the so called shuwa in Sudan who were product of rape committed by Arab criminals on Africa sudanese women are so dumb and stupid for not seeing themselves as Sudanese whereas their rapist criminal fathers in Saudi don't even accept them in Saudi because they look like the devils just like the camel urine drinking dumb lunatic Mohammad stated 😂 It's Africa Sudanese soil which accepted them yet they want to be ungrateful and start murdering their fellow Africans on Africa Sudanese soil? Na craze? The nerves!

babasolution:
Those so called Arabs in Sudan are pure black fighting against other blacks.

Whatever happened in northern Africa stayed in northern AFRICA, it didn't affect subsaharan Africans.

The almorids from morrocco attacked Mali kingdom but their rule didn't last long,that was the only known Arab attack on subsaharan Africa,no Arab attacked the region of Nigeria.

The whites gained entry into inland West Africa only in the late 19th century.

They helped stop Fulani/Nupe who are pure blacks (who happened to be muslims) attacks not Arab attacks.

Arabs never stepped foot on Nigerian soil for any attack purposes.

Your narrative is completely flawed and wrong

It's the criminal Arabs sponsoring the darfur murder in Sudan!

There are also the shuwa arabs who were got through the rape of some African Sudanese women back then while the black men were castrated and murdered 🙄 The products of the rape are called shuwa Arabs in Sudan.

Instead of them to be annoyed at how their African mothers were raped by the criminal Arabs while their Arab rapist fathers wouldn't even accept them in Saudi which is where they should go in the first place if they're so dumb to not see themselves as Sudanese in Sudan whereas Saudi can't even accept them because they look like the devils according to the useless pedophile Mohammad who says the blacks are devils. Lol 😅 If only that Pedophile Lunatic fool knew that Jesus was a black man and the first man was also a black man.

Anyways, These dumb shuwa would be killing their fellow Africans like them in Sudan while the Arab eventually swoop in and wipe them all out in the end. That was what the Arabs did in Northern Africa.. Useless dumb Africans killing themselves over useless foreign religion while the criminal Arabs swoop in and finish them all in the end and occupy their land like the Arab did in Northern Africa.

Btw, aside the Fulani criminals commiting their own atrocities🙄, the Arabs too were already nearing the Northern Nigeria areas until the Europeans arrival stopped the Arabs. The Arabs already destroyed the Northern Africa which includes Egypt and occupied there. They were killing people in other areas before the European came. It was the European who stopped slave trading which the Arabs didn't want to stop..

babasolution:
Give the time lines of the intervention of the Europeans and the Arab enslavements.
There's no such events.
There was no such events I repeat.
It did not happen

The whites only gained entry into Africa in the late 19th century

Hope you are not confusing the Arabs with FULANI

The time after the lunatic camel urine drinking pedophile Mohammad died. Something which the criminals Arab stated as a matter of fact, so what gibberish are you saying? Their atrocities are all in Northern Africa as we speak today. So what gibberish are you even saying?

The Arabs are still committing their atrocities in Sudan (Darfur) as we speak!

babasolution:
It's a lie,there was of no such history, were did Arabs invade Africa? What were the locations they invaded,it's a lie,they didn't invade any part of Africa

Arabs invaded the Northern Africans. That's a fact. Northern Africa was where Islam started spreading to other Africans. Arabs wiped out the Northern Africans! When the Arabs wanted to invade other Africa lands, the Europeans were there and were already serious about stopping slave trading which the Arabs didn't want to stop until they were forced to stop.

Meanwhile, the criminal Arabs are still committing atrocities in Sudan (Darfur) as we speak!

Nice one.

Sheuns:
First of Allah is not an Arab God. The Quraysh (old Arabs) worshiped over 300 deities and Allah was not one of them.

Allah means creator God. The Quraysh (Old Arabs) did not have a creator God; they carved all their deities by hand. Their most supreme deity was Hubal. The deity that has the closest name to Allah was a goddess called Al-lat.

Allah was introduced to the Quraysh and Arabs by Muhammed in the 5th/6th century. Allah was a new God to the Quraysh and Arabs then; that was why they resisted and fought Muhammed for the new God, because it disrupted their trades, incomes and beliefs.

When I carried out some research, I discovered that there is some similarities between Eledumare/ Oba Aseda with Allah/Yahweh. They’re both identified as creator Gods.

Ifa believed there was a creator so did Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammed believe there is a creator God. What differs is the names each race/tribe calls this creator God; but they all accept that there is a creator God.

Lmao. Same Arabs that have Allat stone deity in their Mecca? 😂 Dey play..

Mohammad only changed allat into allah because he wasn't cool with the fact that allat was a female😂

Of course I know the Aramaic calls God as ilah which is derived from "Elah/Eloah" of the Jewish.

If Mohammad brought the name ilah to the Arab, Arab would be saying ilah today, not allah. As a matter of fact, ilah was what the Arabs who were practising Christianity like Mohammad's brother-in law Waraqah (Khadija's brother) who preached christianity to Mohammed, even though Mohammad refused to change his greedy criminal stealing ways however the lunatic criminal Mohammad ended up changing allat to allah while adding the Jewish history he got from Waraqah but continued with the same ritual of crescent and stone worshipping added with criminality/terrorism, pedophilia, camel urine etc..

All these are not even my business. The point is Africans are not Arabs! I repeat, no useless idiot has any right to kill anyone over any religion, let alone kill any indigenous people in their ancestral home over a foreign religion! Na craze?

AbuTwins:
I think i have answered your low IQ, pathetic and stupid question! Africans are Africans! Arabs are Arabs! There are Arab Christians just as there can be African Muslims! Get this into your Ifa-infected brain!

Which book states that Africans should have similar infected brain as you?

That's none of my business. I am a Muslim not an Arab! Seems you are more concerned with Arabs. Them kill your mama?

Once again not my business. Africans too did sold themselves as slaves to the white men. Should we beat ourselves too for that?

All these are just pure lies! What technology has any ifa babalawo invented since centuries they've existed? Abeg enough with all these lies and deceit you are spreading! You even mixed in the lie that Allah is a stone deity!

So as i have never been to Saudi Arabia, i can't worship Allah as i am now?
See Ignorance and Arrogance personified!

Another Unintelligible wailing from the dumbo. My simple truth seeking questions was too much for him to handle 😂

Are Africans Arabs?

What's African business with Arab's allah stone in Mecca?

At least you now know that Africans are Africans who predates Arabs btw, hence note into your brain that no useless idiot has any right to kill anyone over a religion, let alone kill any indigenous people in their ancestral home over a foreign religion! Let that sink into your brain if you've got any because I know the useless ulterior motives of murdering others in a bid to steal their ancestral territory.

You may not be proud of your own ancestors but the Yoruba should be super proud of their genius ancestors! Yoruba ancestors knew the fact that Iron (Ogun) is found in the blood and also about the DNA replication in the body at the time when no one even knew anything about such📌 And
yes, the Yoruba ancestors invented the basic fundamental principle of computer technology. As a matter of fact, Ifa uses the same unit as the computer.

Ifa which always speak in parables gives intelligent creative clues while expecting the Yoruba to build on such educative ideas for modern invention. That was how the Yoruba ancestors was able to invent their several creative arts, ancient pavement road, iron works, creative beads, several musical instruments, Oranmiyan Obelisk, several creative fabrics and designs, several food cuisines etc.

Ifa is all about education, creative inventions and civilization.

As I already stated, Education, creative inventions and civilization are what Africans need! Not wasting money on a foreign country 's stone deity called allah.

AbuTwins:
That Pilgrimage is a pillar of Islam. And it is obligatory on whoever can afford it. The reward of a successful Hajj is remission of sins and paradise!

Africans are humans just as Arabs! And we do not preach racism!

Of course we are using our intelligence! I doubt none of your generations have ever been similarly dumb, immoral and pedophilic too just as you claimed! Your generations for about 4 or 5 centuries ago were similar! And their own perversion is even much worse and dumbest! More so there's no reward for any of their dumbo!

Africans need not be Arabs! The Prophet of Allah said "“O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of piety/God consciousness.

All these are period of ignorance! Ifa is nothing but idolatry, deceit and mumbo jumbo!

You can't stop whoever is rich and capable to do whatever he wants with his money! It is there money not yours! And they will account for how they accrue and spent their money! People go out of Nigeria for unreligious trips other than Pilgrimage too!



Pilgrimage does not stop Nigeria from being civilized!
Pilgrimage is not the one controlling your constitution!
Pilgrimage is not what makes an average Nigeria corrupt!
Pilgrimage is not what is destroying the homes!

I asked you two things which your dumb brain failed to answer btw.

Are Africans Arabs?

What's African business with Arab's allah stone in Mecca?

Africans predates Arab Mohammad and his useless Islam! Sink that into your brain for a start.

Not to mention how Arabs murdered the Northern Africans!

Speaking of Yoruba ancestors, Yoruba ancestors invented the basic principles of computer technology which your useless self is using today. Not to mention the several creativities such as, beads, Iron works, several creative musical instruments, several creative fabrics and designs, ancient pavement road, several creative food cuisines etc apart from their mathematics which includes Ifa mathematics, vigesimal etc.

Ifa is all about education, creativity and civilization.

Creative inventions, Education and Civilization (which includes basic amenities, agriculture etc) are what Africans should focus on, not wasting money on a foreign country 's stone deity called allah.

Indabello:
The ultimate goal of education is knowledge and character and you lack both. This tells us about your person and the type of education you have acquired.

This is evident in the skewed version of history you have been dishing out to your gullible audience since .
Go read the works of Inikori and Walter Rodney and come back here to tell the world between Europe and Arab who turned Africans more into an endangered species.

As for when Europeans killed for those who said Jesus was not Lord; again, if only you had the right education, you would have learned from the works of notable African historians the number of Africans killed to have Christianity entrenched here( the sword and the gospel preaching did the magic). Even the works of notable novelists of African origin like Achebe and Ngugi Wan Thiongo is replete with such narations.
Always try get your background facts right before coming to display your ignorance in the public space.

As for killing in the name of Allah, if and only if you know Islam well will you understand that what these our northern brothers do is contrary to Islamic preaching and a matter of Jungle justice as we experience often across different parts of the country.

In as much as blasphemy is a sin in Islam, only the appropriate authorities are vested with the right to investigate and sanction those guilty of it.
This is not peculiar to Islam as blasphemy is a purnishable offence in all major religions of the world including Christianity which you earlier referenced.
Here are some Biblical verses related to blasphemy:

1. Leviticus 24:16 - "Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death."
2. Matthew 12:31-32 - "Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
3. Mark 3:28-30 - "Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin—for they were saying, 'He has an unclean spirit.'"
4. Luke 12:10 - "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven."
5. 1 Timothy 1:20 - "Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme."

I need not remind you that your iffah often request for human sacrifices to appease it's anger and those that desecrated the shrine of Iffah are often offered as sacrifices to the gods.

Again, your failure to grasp this simple reality of blasphemy across major religions of the world shows the shallowness of your knowledge. When you add this to the fact that you are destitute of character, it becomes abundant clear that you are not a person with culture and education.

Finally, please continue to worship your ifah in peace while we worship our ALLAH in peace. Continue to follow your iffah priests while we follow our "pedophile" Muhammad in peace.

P.S. if you are not tolerant enough to speak respectfully of others belief system, how do you expect them to be tolerant of your abuses.

I will not dignify you with any response again because you have shown that you are not a person of culture and character.

Says someone who had murderous thought over a backward camel urine drinking foreign Arab religion? You must be insane!

I repeat, no criminal idiot has any right to kill anyone over a religion, let alone kill any indigenous people over a foreign religion. Na craze?

Meanwhile, if the Europeans were killing people who said Jesus wasn't Lord, the Northern Nigerians wouldn't even exist today after the European colonization of Africans. Heck, you wouldn't be here today. That can't be said for the Northern Africans who were wiped out by the criminal Arabs.

Funny how you quoted the bible despite
saying Jesus isn't Lord while forgetting the basis of the bible says Jesus is Lord but at the same time, you were the one saying gibberish about blasphemy? The nerves! Imagine the hypocrisy from you! Imagine if the Europeans practicing christianity are on killing spree whenever anyone says Jesus isn't Lord like some lunatics are doing for Arab allah stone?

What even gives any idiot the right to say an indigenous person in his ancestral home is blaspheming over a foreign religion? Na craze? 🙄

I repeat, no useless idiot has any right to kill anyone over a religion, let alone kill any indigenous people over a foreign religion. Let that sink into your brain if you've got any because I know the useless ulterior motives of murdering others in a bid to steal their ancestral territory.

As for Ifa, Ifa doesn't request human sacrifices. As a matter of fact, Ifa hates human sacrifice to begin with. In addition, Ifa always says all the Orishas live within us. So why would any useless fool sacrifice a Human for sacrifice? Ori is an orisha for example, so why would any fool offer Ori as a sacrifice yet thinks Ifa accept such harmful stupidity? Ifa people don't make human sacrifice. it's actually some useless pretenders parading themselves that do such useless acts.

Ifa is all about education, creative inventions and civilization.

babasolution:
The only Arabs that ventured into the Nigerian space for example only reached lake Chad area,no Arab enslaved blacks,blacks were notorious enslavers,enslaving anything enslavable and selling to everyone including themselves.

You should read about Zulu history, and see how they notoriously dealt with Europeans both the British and the Dutch.

Not all blacks were the same,even in Nigeria,some tribes were notorious and cudnt be enslaved like others.

Again Arabs never enslaved blacks,blacks sold their kind to Arabs.

The so called Egyptian blacks were not subsaharan Africans,we were totally different people. Those Egyptian blacks if they were indeed blacks were probably more of the Indian blacks not African blacks

Nah. It was the coming of the Europeans that stopped the Arabs from going further into Africa after the Arabs invaded the North Africa. As a matter of fact, the Arabs were already moving into other African lands to murder Africans and also Europe but the Europeans eventually fought back.

I would say the European preserved the Africans they met despite their invasion whereas the Arabs wiped out the Africans they met in Northern Africa. As I already stated, while the Europeans are not exonerated for enslaving Africans, they didn't wipe out Africans at least and were the ones who eventually stopped slavery even when the Arabs had wanted to continue it.

babasolution:
This narrative that mere Arabs wiped out blacks and Arabs castrated blacks is a demeaning narrative, that does more damage to Africans than help.

It portrays Africa's as sitting duck weakling and victims that anyone can trample on.

Africans were never wiped out by Arabs,even if Egyptians were black they weren't subsaharan Africans or blacks.

Arabs never enslaved blacks, blacks sold their kind to anyone willing to buy Arab or European.

No one can wipe out subsaharan blacks.

I simply stated the fact! Most Africans were concerned about mundane backward things, instead of modern civilization. Same thing still happening till today.

Take for example, warfare instruments such as gun etc were being mentioned as one of Ogun's warfare in Ifa, did Yoruba bother much about it to Invent it to defend against the useless terrorists back then? Of course not much, albeit some did with the local ones. Of course Yoruba ancestors did try a lot with several creative inventions they made but at some point, most stopped creating much which I would say was as a result of Islam which was already creeping in at that time because we all know Islam is against innovation and creativity yet same Arabs uses the innovative creative inventions made by the whites to wreck havoc on others over their backward religion. The nerves!

Anyways, what Africans need is creativity and civilization! Not backward mundane practice of some foreigners.

MrBrownJay1:
i will never believe any of the fables that are written in the bible/quran or torah. these are all collection of spiritual writings and certainly NOT historical facts. only a very clueless person would believe that what is written in these today's religious books as historical facts. if you want to follow any historical spiritual writings, then use the oldest of them all aka the Egyptian Book of going forth by day aka The Book of the Dead, which all your religious books of today descend from.... unless of course you believe humans didnt come from evolution of apes and were instead created by some invisible god in the sky, right? lol!



you are confusing invasion and/or race mixing with wiping out a race. Egyptians have always been a mixed race nation due to the location of Egypt in north Africa. 5000yrs ago, there was no Egypt, there was just a group of people living in a part of Africa, where people from around the region could come to. all these civilizations were migrating from one place to the next. look how close Egypt is from the middle east. is it so far fetched that Egypt may have been populated by a great deal of arabs? all North and South Sinai part of Egypt is in the middle east.



so who wiped the native American Indians from this earth and/or the Aborigenes in Australia (if not Europeans)?



yet if you go to any mathematic class in the world, you will be told that math was discovered by Archimedes, when Sumerians (aka Africans from the Nile region) were using mathematic from as far as 3500 BCE... we are are talking about mathematics (from African scholars) that is 3000years older than when your so called Euclid was even born.

here is something very important to remember.... back in the days, MIDDLE EAST and AFRICA was connected/together as one region. look how close these two regions are. is it so impossible that Arabs emigrated to Africa (aka across tiny strip of land and water) from the get go? thus why countries in Africa close to the middle east are mixed and/or have lots of arabic features (aka Ethiopians, Somalians, Egyptians etc).

The fact states that the ancient Egyptians who were known as kemets were blacks as depicted by their arts (nothing like Arab colour was depicted in any of their arts) and as a matter of fact, the ancient Greeks stated that the Egyptians were blacks. That put that to rest. The ancient Egyptians were simply wiped out by Arab criminals.

On the middle East story and all, whatever it is, all I know is Africans are different from Arabs who wiped out the Northern Africans.

On who wiped out the native Indians? The native Indians are still there. Point is if the Europeans were on murderous spree like the Arabs, Africans wouldn't exist in Africa or in Europe today. Of course this doesn't exonerate what the Europeans did to Africans, but they were better than Arabs who murdered and castrated Africans.

On education, everyone was simply doing their own thing as I already stated.

Let me reiterate again, Africans aren't Arabs!

Indabello:
Firstly, it's wrong of you to abuse people's believe and denigrate individuals or supernatural forces others revere. This is always the cause of religious violence.

If you are not tolerant enough to speak respectfully of people's belief system, how do you expect them to be tolerant of your abuses.

On Ifa, you can continue worshipping your iffah and paying homage to Iffa's ancestral place or shrine while we the BELIEVERS OF ALLAH continue to worship Him and pay homage to Makkah(the House of Allah).

You can continue to follow your Iffah priests, let us follow the teaching of our respected "pedophile" MUHAMMAD in peace.

He is the best of teachers and the most noble servant of Allah to ever grace this earth.

The nerves of you and the gibberish written by you. The fact that you have such murderous thought in your mind over any religion shows how stupid you're.

When have the Europeans practising Christianity killed anyone who said Jesus didn't die and resurrected like those practising Islam had been saying?

As a matter of fact, Arabs should be the ones apologizing to Africans and everyone at large for their murderous atrocities in Africa lands!

Let me also reiterate that, no idiot has any right to kill anyone over a religion, let alone kill any indigenous people over a foreign religion. Na craze? As a matter of fact, If any foreign god need people to fight for such foreign religion, then it only depicts how inadequate and limited the god is in the first place. No wonder Arab's allah is a stone. I repeat, no idiot has any right to kill anyone over a religion, let alone kill any indigenous people over a foreign religion.

Btw, Ifa worship Eledumare/Olodumare. While you're knacking your head for a foreign Arab's Allah stone in delusional hope for a perverted brothel heaven and camel urine promised by the immoral pedophilic Mohammad, Ifa has been educating the Yoruba ancestors on the fact that iron (Ogun) is found in the blood and also about the DNA replication in the body at the time when no one even knew anything about such. Ifa is all about education, creativity and civilization!

MrBrownJay1:
there is no such thing as "arab color of today"... the arabs of today are a combination of arabs of the past gone through more than 3000years of race mixing due to their close location with Europe/asia etc. te arabs of the past didnt look anywhere near like some of the arabs you see today.
here is a simple clue: some depicted Egyptians of the 1st dinasty era are NOT black.

BTW you keep referring to Greek white philosophers while its obvious their views are irrelevant to this discussion. why do you think the views of people who lived 2000yrs after the 1st Egyptian dinasty, are more important than the +3000yr old Egyptians scriptures themselves?

is that not the same European HISTORICAL LIARS who claimed that Mathematic, Education, Philosophy, Medicine, architecture etc came from Europeans.

Nah. The Arab skin didn't undergo any changes.

They're are mix of Ishmael, Esau and Iraq.

It's absolutely callous for the Arab to have wiped out the Egyptians. What the hell?

As for the Europeans, while the European have got their own faults for what they also did to Africans but at least, they didn't wipe out Africans when they enslaved Africans.

As for mathematics, medicine, philosophy etc.. everyone were doing their own thing on that. Yoruba for example had their own Ifa mathematics, vigesimal etc. The Egyptians were also doing their own thing. The Greek with Euclid were doing their own thing. The Hindu with Aryabhata were also doing their thing and had their own hindu numerals which was even plagiarized by Al Kwarizmi. In fact, Islam attempt at calculation stopped after they started murdering the Hindu scholars they were copying. This show how stupid Islam is!

MrBrownJay1:
bro, Tuaregs and Berbers are NOT black... as for Egyptians, although kemets were viewed as blacks, Egyptians came in various colors and hair type etc thus why, some of the oldest paintings of Egyptians are of various colors aka black, brown (arabs) etc... the only thing we are 110% sure is that Egyptians are NOT white and are NOT Asian.

BTW Aristotle and Plato are Greek philosophers from the 400-300 BCE, while the 1st Egyptian dinasty is as far back as 3200 BCE.... although one of the earliest known Pharaoh was king Narmer/nemes, in that same era Egyptians were depicted as below:

Let's take Yoruba for example, considering the Yoruba are typically black people📌 The fact that Yoruba have got some fair ones among them, does that change the fact they're blacks?🤔 Point is the ancient Egyptians, including the fair ones among them didn't have the Arab color of today. They were kemet for a reason. Aristotle and Plato stated emphatically that the Egyptians were blacks! But today, have been wiped out by Arabs who now occupy the place today.

Herodotus affirmed that the Egyptians were blacks while stating that the Libyans have got tawny skins but tend to cover their bodies with feathers📌

OALandAgents:
The original Egyptians being black does not prove that Arabs ever enslaved Africans.

You must be a useless dunce! Black people eradicated from their land while Arabs moved there and all what your useless self could say was this trash?

OALandAgents:
Other than unreliable history books written by unreliable Caucasian Historians, there is no proof that Arabs ever enslaved Africans.

No proof while the arts of Egyptian depicts them as blacks? While the ancient Greeks stated that the Egyptians were blacks?

I repeat what Africans need is inventions and civilization! Not retrogressive backward foreign practice which has done more harm to Africans by murdering them and sinking them into poverty!

MrBrownJay1:
there is plenty of Africans that are Arabs... Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt are all African countries populated with majority of arabs.
regardless of what they (or other arabs) did in the past, that certainly doesnt change who they are and where they are from.

Egyptian were blacks as stated by ancient Greeks such as Aristotle, Plato etc. All of them were wiped out by Arabs during Arab conquest and slavery of Egypt.

Tunisia and Morocco were Tuaregs and African Berbers. Wiped out by Arab during Arab conquest and slavery of Northern Africans.

Anyways, what Africans need is inventions and civilization. Not retrogressive backward foreign practice which has done more harm to Africans by murdering them and sinking them into poverty!

AbuTwins:
Hajj is a very important Pillar of Islam that is obligatory upon the rich and capable Muslims among us.

If you are not rich plus capable it is not obligatory for you to go!

May Allah enrich us to be able to go there with our families devoid of any government interventions!

YesDaddyTill203:
If you can't afford it, then don't go. I'm a Muslim but I don't support Governor spending public money on pilgrimage. Same way I'm against those SE Governors always using public funds for building churches and other church activities all while trying to curry favour with the church. It's all about politics.

Why should anyone spend money for another country's pilgrimage to begin with?

Let me even ask, are Africans Arabs to start with?

Africans are not Arabs! That's what every reasonable brain should sink into their skull!

What's African business with Arab's pedohilia Allah stone who promised a perverted brothel such as 72 virgins sex objects and camel urine for delusional people following such insanity? In fact, if all you can think is the useless brothel heaven promised by an immoral dumb Arab pedophile shows how perverted and dumb you're. High time you started using the intelligence in your Ori. The fact that Arab Mohammad was a Pedophile who promised 72 virgins sex objects should have told any reasonable brain that Mohammad was a useless man.

Africans are not Arabs in the first place!

Yoruba have their own Ifa (a mathematical code) which is a million times better than the Arab's pedohilia allah stone situated in Mecca. As a matter of fact, the basis of Yoruba's Ifa is centered on intelligence, creativity, agriculture, invention, medicinal plants (healthcare) which are the core of what Ifa represent which is civilization. Basically, Ifa which always speak in parables provide an intelligent creative idea and clues as fundamental platform while expecting the Yoruba to build on it for modern invention. That was how Yoruba's ancestors were able to come up with the fundamental computing basis of computer technology, Vigesimal, Beads, Iron works, Bronze and Brass arts, Ivory works, knowledge of medicinal plants, Oranmiyan's Obelisk, several musical instruments, creative fabrics and designs, ancient pavement roads, several food cuisines and several innovative creative inventions etc 💥

Why not focus on inventions and innovative civilization, instead of championing unprofitable backward foreign religion which is no business of Africans to begin with but has rather destroyed and sunk Africans into poverty mess while Saudi Arabia feed fat on the money made from pilgrimages? What have Arabs done for Africa except for enslaving, murdering, castrating Africans and even stealing African territory, during the Arab slavery of Africans?

Inventions and Civilization are what Africans need! Not some retrogressive backward foreign religion practice.

Btw, four things which Nigeria need to really focus on should be:

1. Restructuring (Regionalism).
2. Investment in Large scale mechanized farming.
3. Investment in Production Industries which include agro industrialization to link with the large scale mechanized farming.
4. Investment in basic civilisations such as Electricity and other basic amenities such as good healthcare centers, education, security, transport amenities such as roads, cargo rails, cargo airports etc..

State governments shouldn't also leave everything to the President. The governors aren't elected as Barbies to do nothing with their allocations but are elected to improve the condition of their states and its economy. As a matter of fact, most of these governors fail to realize that they're bound to increase the economy of their states if they can invest in most of the above-mentioned lists.

By the way, the country need restructuring (Regionalism) to accelerate the development of the country.

Justiceganduje:
And the foolish man continued with the wedding. After he will start disturbing us on social media that a DNA test proved that all the children are not his own.