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Olu317:
Ela Eluorogbo is not Ela omo oyigi ota omi. They are not the same personality.

2. This is also not correct on Ela Oluwo Orun.There is no ifa corpus that mentioned Ela Eluorogbo as Ela Oluwo Orun. If you know such odu then cite it.

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Olu317:
Interesting. Albeit, you're correct in some areas but not in the personality of Ela omo oyigi .

Ela omo oyigi was born through ewe Ela with other akose ifa. Hence, he was named Ela.

Ela omo oyigi being a miracle child was born when the mother went to seek after her daily bread in the forest. She then began to labour and gave birth to him.

Thereafter , with no one around to help her, she left the child and went to nearby village. On her return , the child had cleaned himself up and was seen walking when his mother and the villagers arrived.......

Do you know why Ela Omo Oyigi Left Orunmila house ?

Are you aware of the consequence that followed such act by Ela ?

He later ascent through a tiny rope to Orun

What about Ela Eluorogbo ?

What about Ela Oluwo Orun ?

Ela also the name of Orunmila Orun mi eni ma la

Orun mi e la = Sudden success manifestation of Orun /Heaven ?

Obatala is not any half of creation neither was odudua but both were participants in creation.

Orunmila lo tele ile aye do(Orunmila went to establish the world.

Ogun lo lana ona ti ojo fi la (Ogun sword was used to clear the path for earth to being) .Hence, Olojo festival and Ogun worship/veneration in different places across Yoruba land and places Yoruba culture are celebrated

Executive729:
You are so stu..... if you know what you are doing will you be in the position you are to day. Nigeria like all black nations do not know how to run a country ALL What WE KNOW IS RUNNING THEIR COUNTRY DOWN THROUGH STEALING COMMON RESOURCES LIKE YAHAYA BELLO, WEDGING POWER - DEMOLISHING CITIZENS HOUSES LIKE LAGOS STATE GOVERNMENT BUT LACK BASIC INTELLIGENCE TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. That coastal road all these animals are talking about right now come 20 to 40 years from now MUD SWIMMING POOL 3 to 4 miles each section, useless set of people

Dsimmer:
First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Dsimmer:
First, Oduduwa, the king didn't come from anywhere. He was from Oke Ora 📍

Oduduwa, the king became king more than 2000yrs ago and predates Mohammad to begin with, so those saying rubbish about him leaving mecca because of Mohammad need their heads checked to begin with. Anyone with a brain would know it's rubbish because Oduduwa, the king predates Mohammed to begin with and Oduduwa, the king was a black man, just as his name signifies📌. As a matter of fact, Oduduwa the king came from Oke Ora and its also stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa which dropped from the sky as stated by Ifa represent cosmos creation which creates the black space, the earth and the first human who's a black man as the Oduduwa name depicts. As we all know, the first man on earth was a black man who's the progenitor of all humans.

On the Eurasian gene which is 7500- 10000yrs old, it's an ancient Eurasian gene which is pointing to an old time. I once opined that Yoruba could be part of the Isrealites if we take in cognizance of the Yoruba having similar names for God as the Isrealites such as Oluwa, Eledumare, Olorun, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Isrealites' Eloah, Elohim, El'Mareh, Yahweh. There's also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman, Oyigi, which is similar to the Isrealites' belief in Messiah, albeit the Isrealites are still waiting for their own blood Messiah since they already crucified Jesus.

So either the Yoruba were part of the Isrealites (albeit they've not done any DNA test with the Isrealites irrespective of the 7500yrs old eurasian gene). OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their thing after all the Yoruba have got earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA. It's the ancient DNA I want to focus on sef

Olu317:
Which Ifaodu stanza are you referring ? Shed more light.

Secondly, Orunmila is also known as Odudua in ifa stanza "Agbeka." He descended ontop water and healed the earth

Thirdly, there is another story of Odudua as humanbeing who Orunmila supported to overpower Obatala humanbeing aswell

Fourthly, there are two oke ora. Once is being reconstructed from Egypt's Coptic's language "ke Ra", which wasnt too far from "Elephan" Elephantine." While the Yorubas "oke Ora" is at Ileife .

Which of the "Oke Ra" do you think Yoruba ancestors descended through ?

OPCNAIRALAND:
My brother,
This is good job. Thank you for raising this awareness and enlightenement.

I dont think any Yoruba deny that Lamurudu was a King in Eurasia (Afro-asia to be more pointed) or that there was a migration led by Oduduwa to Ife.

The two camps contend the primordial origin of Lamurudu and Oduduwa or of Yorubas generally.

One says Yoruba were a people of Afro-asia and only migrated one way, from Assyria, Egypt, Sudan, Cansan, Mecca, Mondiana and so on.

The other camp says yes, this is so, but they migrated out of their primordial root in Ile Ife and spread to Afro-asia but later returned home. To them, they have the full spectrum and the other camp only has half.

This ya scientifi report is what i call 'drop it like its hot'....hahahahaha, lmao,

Na waa o!!

scholes0:
Personally, I dont believe in this person called Lamurudu.
There is no oral literature in all of Yorubaland that talks of him.

He is probably just a conjured figure.

There's one more school that holds the view that Oduduwa was from Ife and that he came from the Oke Ora area of one of the 13 hamlets that he unified.

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Dsimmer:
I have my theory for the Eurasian gene and no, Oduduwa the king didn't come from anywhere. Oduduwa, the king came from Oke Ora, as stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa from the sky is a primordial creation. Oduduwa descent from the sky represent the primordial creation which created the universe which includes the dark space, the earth and the first human who's the progenitor of all humans. As we already know, the first human was a black man, just as Oduduwa name depicts.

On the Eurasian gene of the Yoruba, the
gene is several thousands years old, so it means an ancient Eurasian gene which is not something that recently happened. I once had a theory that the Yorubas could have parted ways from the Isrealites/Jews, considering the fact that the Yoruba have the same names for God as the Isrealites/Jews names for God (Olorun, Eledumare, Oluwa, Iye/Awaye which are all similar to Hebrew's Elyon, El'mareh, Eloah, Yahweh). Also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman...

That being said, if the Yoruba parted ways, I don't think the Yoruba parted at the time when the Isrealites were in Judea because if that was the case, Yoruba would have had the 10 commandments with them, even though Yoruba ended up doing some of the 10 commandments anyways, such as honouring one's parents and we all know Yoruba are big on honouring one's parents such as, greeting one's parents. There's also the female child inheritance practised in Yoruba culture similar to the Jewish women who inherit properties from their family as dictated by Joshua 🧐. As I already stated, I don't think Yoruba parted ways at the time when the Isrealites were in Judea except if they probably parted in Egypt because if Judea was the case 🤔, the Yoruba would have had the 10 commandments and also the Jewish script. But rather, the Yoruba used "Aroko" hieroglyph which is similar to the old ancient black Egyptian hieroglyphs. Albeit the Yoruba were also civilized and highly intelligently creative.

That said, Yoruba haven't done any DNA test with the Jews irrespective of ancient Eurasian DNA of the Yoruba. So either the Yoruba parted from the Jews/Isrealites OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their things (I mean the Yoruba have got the earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA anyway). Na that ancient ghost DNA sef I wan focus on grin grin.. Yoruba have more than 9 DNA series whereas others have got 6 DNA series.

kayfra:
The mecca bullshit doesn't make sense chronologically since our exposure is 7500 to 10000 years ago. Islam is a relatively new religion. Our arrival here predates the founding of all that mecca BS by approximately 5000 to 7500 years.

Cultures also influence each other and correlation isn't necessarily causation.

Simbrixton:
Most people who claim fulani by identity are not fulas by DNA or Language

SenatorM:
You Mean the claim that Oduduwa fell from Heaven?

WibusJaga:


Quite interesting.

But of a truth, if not for the coming of the white man & their influence on blacks, blackman would have still been killing twins & hunting rabbits & Squirrels naked in the bush.

absoluteSuccess:
I just did a search and it seems Jewesun has been around on the internet for some time. I don't think I know all the heroes mentioned in Ifa from A to Z. This is not an invention of the op, Christianity might have infiltrated into Yorubaland the same way as Islam even before the missionary while the precept was reserved in its corrupt form in Ifa, which is Yoruba form of oral encyclopedia.

Point of correction

Your input says "Ela, Oro (omo loju Eledumare)". Yes I understand that the Yoruba do say "Ela l'oro" to mean "clarity defines a word" or "aisorola lo pelenpe akoko..." I also understand that Ela is the name of an ancient religious personality in Yoruba. My inquiry: is the phrase "Ela, Oro..." or "Ela, omoloju Eledumare"? Bringing the two words in the same place is yours, if not let me know sir.

absoluteSuccess:
can you cite the Yoruba version of these claims?

its said, "Ela, omoloju Eledumare" (Elam the precious child of God), then the same name "Ela, omo Olu-Orogbo" Is Olu-Orogbo the same as Mary, virgin, God? We need to compare the Yoruba text before conclusions are drawn, so its not "one sided".

Olu317:
Incorrect. Ẹlà ọmọ oyigi is not a messiah. Get your information correctly.

He blundered against Orunmila and was penalised. Hence 15th may anniversary .

Jewesu is a fraud . Forget about Christians who learn ifa and want to manipulate. Such as you think is false and wrong

AbuTwins:
Who were the terrorists in the Protestant reformation?

AbuTwins:
Protestant reformation headed by Martin Luther?

Akell see your brother!

AbuTwins:
What about the protestant reformation?
Who were the useless terrorists among them?
How many died?

Who were the ones exhibiting mental disorder and craze?

Akell

AbuTwins:
How many died?

AbuTwins:
How many died?

AbuTwins:
So "the Bible" exists in Arabia back then? Can we have your proof? And of what use is the sequence you talked about? Moses, Joseph and Jacob were not particularly sent to us so why do we need to copy anything from them?

You just cook up some uncouth abuse and mix it with falsehood to sound as foolish as possible! No wonder there's foolish Galatians in the Bible!



This is foolishness continua! Muhammad said there's no preference for an Arab over a non-Arab except in piety!

You will never be able to quote anything except to spread lies without understanding and devoid of wisdom!

Bilaal is a black man and was one of the foremost companions of Muhammad.

So continue your lies. I no dey reply you again as I don't want to be like you!

Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him. Proverbs 26:4

Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own eyes. Proverbs 26:5