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Dsimmer:
While Oye means Life (even as Ela Oyigi didn't die but resurrected and ascended), Oye also means knowledge and clarity. For example, "Oye" means knowledge and understanding. "Oye la" means "break it down and enlighten with clarity".. Since Ifa always speak in parables, I won't be surprised if Ifa deliberately use the "Oye" word to emphasize that intelligence should be paramount.

Let me add that "Oye la" is also similar as "Ela mi loye" which means "enlighten me with knowledge".. So the emphasis is on knowledge. So while Oye means Life and knowledge, it also represents wisdom thus Elarowaye.

It's just like how Aye means Life, Lion and God in Hebrew language. Aye also means the same thing in Yoruba language, that is, Aye means Life, Universe of Existence and God except Lion. Yoruba calls Lion Kiniun. Hebrew word for a Young Lion is Kfir btw.

I was just talking about Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho. Lol.

Manutd has some young talents they got lucky with. Mainoo for example is a lovely midfield talent, thus this makes it easy to build the team around him. Midfield has always been an important link between the defence and the attack, so it was a good thing that Mainoo rose up to the occasion at the time manutd needed such a midfield talent in the midfield. He's a holding midfielder hence it makes it easy because an offensive box to box playmaker who's decent defensively can easily play beside him.

Hojlund didn't start today but he's a brimming young striker.

Garnacho is a young wing forward who's been rising up to the occasion.

As for the defence, Manutd need some rejuvenation in their porous defence regardless 😂. It even become exposed the more whenever the main defenders get injured.

Lastly on Manutd, let me also say Bruno Fernandes as a 10 has also been fantastic for Manutd.

As for City, City defeat was surprising considering their several talents. Today wasn't probably their day. Lol. I wonder why their agile central defender was rested in the first half though.

He spent a lot however, he's done well a bit with the new addition players such as Mainoo and Hojlund. Garnacho too. I think Manutd needs a box to box midfielder who's offensive and solid defensively to complement Mainoo who's more of a holding midfielder. The porous defence also need some rejuvenation.📌Lastly, at least another good wing forward to complement the attack the more 💯

Dsimmer:
Ela olurogbo is the same as Ela omo oyigi. The one who is different is the Ela olurogbo of Moremi who was a married woman. In fact, it was stated that Moremi named her child, Ela olurogbo because of the popularity and divine nature of the previous Ela olurogbo.

Whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Elarowaye! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi or Ela Oluwo Orun, Elarowaye. All are same.

Btw, let me add that while Oyigi was a virgin woman who gave birth to Ela Oyigi, her Oyigi name itself is also God's accolades📌

Elarowaye is simply light manifestation and intelligence.

Speaking of Moremi, while Yoruba human ancestor Moremi was Oranmiyan's brave wife. However, primordial Orisha Moremi means another thing. As a matter of fact, primordial Orishas are simply attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us, as manifested by Yoruba ancestors manifesting the the attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within them✨ The primordial Orishas are simply the intelligent attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us hence why Ifa always says "the Orisha live within us". Basically, the primordial Orishas are the attributes of Olodumare Ayeraye living within us, even as manifested by Yoruba human ancestors hence Yoruba ancestors are often used as key pointers to remember these primordial Orisha (attributes) thus ensuring that Yoruba always have all these in memory whenever they celebrate their ancestors such as Obatala, Oduduwa, Sango, Ogun, Oya, Osun, Olokun, Moremi etc ✨

Hence, the Primordial Moremi is an attribute of the selfless God who sent his child known as Elarowaye to be revealed to the world to enlighten people. Of course, Elarowaye child didn't die but resurrected and ascended up into heaven. So basically, Ifa is still talking about Elarowaye and water immersion when it comes to Moremi's child. In fact, anywhere one sees Ela in Ifa, it basically Elarowaye Omoloju Eledumare! Elarowaye, Ela Omo Oyigi, Ela Olurogbo, Ela Oluwo Orun are all the same 📌

And according to Ifa, Elarowaye is also Jewesun because Ifa says Olodumare has only one begotten child hence, if Elarowaye and Jewesun are both regarded as the only begotten child of Eledumare who has only one begotten child, then it means both Elarowaye and Jewesun means the same thing (a=x).

Now the question is what's Yoruba business with the Jews to begin with and that's a mystery? 🤔

absoluteSuccess:
Quite interesting. Please do more research and let the facts speak. Don't be enthusiastic to the point of putting the slightest iota in any ancient word or phrase of Yoruba history so you can see things clearer.

Being patience to learn what a word conceals in Yoruba is a great and rewarding virtue. Lets do some exercise in that order. We would look at Oyela and elaro wa. That's what babalawos says most often.

Oye la, elaro wa. Compare: ojumo mo, Oye la peregede. Contrast: Ooye, life. Eja (oku-eko) this stands for frozen fish. Eja ooye (onmi) this stands for live fish. Oye is a function of mi: breath, or shift. Ye: to move or be displaced. To be breathing, Ye, to survive. Ooye: one that (nmi) breathes.

Deduction: Ye (shift): "b'oju ba y'eju, kohun ma ye" displacement of contact between two bodies, ye; yera. slide, slid off. Yera-body that slid off surface contact with another body in time and space.

Oye la: let the displaced break forth. Literally, let there be light. Light upon an uncertain issue.

Ela ro wa: Let the essence of the displaced (sunshine) rain through.

Baa f'emo loju a riran.

I pray you go far sir.

While Oye means Life (even as Ela Oyigi didn't die but resurrected and ascended), Oye also means knowledge and clarity. For example, "Oye" means knowledge and understanding. "Oye la" means "break it down and enlighten with clarity".. Since Ifa always speak in parables, I won't be surprised if Ifa deliberately use the "Oye" word to emphasize intelligence should always be paramount.

Just imagine the atrocities..

Meanwhile, there's nothing like Palestine. Palestine is a Greek word which came to be after Greeks and Romans invaded Judea until the dispersal of the Jews. Eventually, the Arabs also invaded Judea like the Arabs invaded Egypt, North Africa lands and had wanted to invade Europe until they were dealt with. Now the Jews have returned back to their land.

One thing I ike about the Jews is they're not forcing their ideology on anyone
in anyone's country coupled with the fact that they're only concerned about their Judea and not anything else. This can't be said for some unscrupulous elements trying to force their backward ideology in someone else's country🙄

Impressive.

To begin with, the word Palestine was created by Romans for the Greeks who first invaded Israel land, after which the Romans invaded until Isrealites were dispersed. The word Palestine is a Greek word.

After Isrealites were dispersed overseas, I think the Arabs came in or were they also part of the invasion like how Arabs also invaded Egypt? Anyways, the Isrealites have returned back to their Judea land!

Tinubu is trying his best. The truth is Buhari already mortgaged a lot of Nigeria crude oil for several months before he left while the money can't be accounted for but was stolen before Tinubu assumed power. Anyways, the best way to improve Nigeria is to return back to regionalism.

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babasolution:
No one has Yoruba ancestry except Yoruba people, why don't you telligala that speaks 60% Yoruba that they are Yoruba,it's Benin and others you Yorubas are always dragging

Ode, I simply stated the fact!

Esan have got Yoruba ancestry which is proven. That's a fact! Sink that into your dumb brain. Now Imagine Akoko, Usen, Uhe etc. It's the audacity of your dumb brain! Not your first time saying gibberish. You dey craze?

On the gala, they are probably yoruba at the North East Central side. One thing is Ife have got the detailed information on Olodumare (the supreme Orisha/Source) which include all his attributes, intelligence and creativity thus you would see Yoruba having Obatala, Oduduwa, Sango, Oya, Ogun (Oshinmole is Ogun's oriki), Osun, Olokun etc which are all attributes and creativity of Olodumare 📌, even as they're also Yoruba ancestors however some of those who came out of Ife could only recollect one or few attribute..

babasolution:
Which scientific proof did you bring?
Yes,Yoruba in Benin know themselves ,so Akoko-edo know themselves that they aren't Yoruba

You don't know Esan have got Yoruba ancestry? Let alone Akoko?


You dey mad and you've got no one to tell you.

Lmao. He should be taken seriously because Nigeria didn't qualify for the world cup the last time and haven't really done well at the world cup.

Nigeria have got enough several attacking firepower this time around to qualify I think.

Btw, SA was difficult to beat in the last afcon although they were beaten by Nigeria. Anyways, A front trio of Osimhen, Lookman and Boniface should do.

The problem is the midfield need some rejuvenation.

A good scouting for some good players for the team should do.

It's not difficult to scout for players.

First, know what you want first. For example, if you want a striker, you focus your attention on how good the player is at scoring goal. If it's the holding midfielder, you focus not only on his tackling ability but also, his overall awareness in front of the defence. And so-on.

Secondly, take notice of the player's technique/ball ability. Also check his agility. That should be all.

Meanwhile, I think Solanke should be invited, albeit Nigeria have probably got settled front trio. That being said, Solanke have been quite good in the EPL this season. One of the reasons why Bournemouth has been a surprise. I think he can also play as 10 who are more or less forwards anyway.

Mafo

babasolution:
See,Yoruba people are proving unintelligent these days oo,you can't think beyond your orientation.

Egune or whatever is different from egin,ebade can be different from the Yoruba ebade,what is Ame' memi the name of the commenter father in Yoruba.

People know their history, you can't determine their history for them.

Akoko-edo is not and will never be yoruba

Ode, It's either you're mad or dumb to not have known I prove my fact with scientific proof. As I said, the Yoruba in Bini know themselves, it's useless imposters who should get out.

Arosam:
You are so petty , it's not by force to be Yoruba, We are Okpameri tribe. A stranger want to lecture me about my own people.

If you're not an impostor, you shouldn't be crying.

I simply stated the truth, even as scientifically proven. The Yoruba in Bini know themselves, it's the useless imposters who should get out!

babasolution:
Egin is different from egune

Egin, Egun, Ebade, Akoko, Ugbo, Ife/Afe etc are all Yoruba names!

It's like your brain keep forgetting the fact that I used scientific proof? You dey craze or you're dumb?

As I said, the Yoruba in Bini know themselves. It's the useless imposters who should get out!

babasolution:
You n your Yoruba are wicked liers,you will be defeated, what is egune in Yoruba or ebade,you are a lier,Akoko-edo is not Yoruba, infact some Akoko ondo are not Yorubas, bearing Yoruba names is a mistake our grandfather's made,times were simple in those days they didn't know it will lead to this

Ode, you don't know the people of Ondo are called Egin? Your Ode self should also know I used scientific proof already. As I said, Yoruba in Bini know themselves. It's the useless imposters who should get out.

There's something I even found. Lol. The Jewish emphasis was also pointed out

Anyways, as I already stated, the Yoruba could probably be Jews OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their thing, considering their ancient DNA.

Arosam:
I'm a Native of Ugboshi-Afe, we trace our acestory to Benin, we speak Okpameri language (Edoid languages) my Ground father and his kindred adopted Yoruba names during the old Western region. Their native name was "Uri memi". The Yoruba name my ground father adopted was Arowoshegbe, and was later changed to Arowolo by my Dad and his siblings, his native name is Ebhade and my Native name is Egune (Means Self or being aware). We love doing business and associating with Yoruba people in other things but we are not Yoruba.

An imposter.

Egune and Ebade are Yoruba names. Ame is a Yoruba word.

Anyways, The Yoruba in Bini know themselves and bear Yoruba names. Of course I know all Bini aren't Yoruba but most are, especially the Usen, Uhe, Akoko etc who are Yoruba. Meanwhile, Have you checked Esan DNA? They've got closest DNA with the Yoruba. Esan came out of Bini palace which is Oranmiyan (a Yoruba) palace to establish Esan, a Yoruba name too. So, you can imagine that. If Esan have got closest Yoruba match, there's nothing any useless imposter in Bini can say. It's the imposters who should get out.

Meanwhile, Oluwa is coined from Olu-iwaye which is an accolade of Olodumare Ayeraye. Obviously where Jewish/Israel derived Yahweh and Elowah.

Funny thing is irrespective of the similarities between the Yoruba names and the Jew /Israel names for God, Yoruba actually know the meaning of all these names in Yoruba language

The only one which is a bit mysterious to decipher is the Yoruba's Eriwoya which is similar to the Jew/Isreal's Yahweh. Although Yoruba also have "Awaye" and "Ayeraye" which both means "existence or eternal life" which is exactly the same meaning as "Yahweh" in meaning and even in spelling.

Anyways, I think I'm able to decipher the meaning of Eriwoyah though. Eriwo means "elephant" which Yoruba always use to depict a good man or virtuous man who passed on, which is similar to how the psalm scripture (Psalm 45: talks about Jesus in the "Ivory" palace and we all know that Jesus was a virtuous man.

Ya mean alive. Ìyè means alive for example. As a matter of fact, Eriwoyah is derived from Rowaye which means Alive, consciousness, Joy, virtuousness, intuition, intelligence and Justice.

That was why I said Yoruba are mysterious in my previous post above 😂

Lmao. I don't really understand why ladies like painting their faces or wearing heavy makeup. I don't even get the idea behind it😂.. don't they know it ends up looking weird?

sultanofpigs:
Miyetti Allah alleges killing of members by local vigilantes in S’EastPublished on May 10, 2024By Matthew Atungwu

The Miyetti Allah Cattle Breeders Association of Nigeria, MACBAN, has accused indigenous security outfits in the South-East of being behind the killings of their members in the zone.

MACBAN’s National Deputy Director-General, Gidado Siddiki, while addressing newsmen in the company of its members in Enugu, on Thursday, said in the past two months, they have mourned the loss of 16 individuals and hundreds of cattle in Anambra and Enugu States.

Siddiki emphasized that it was distressing to note that some of the perpetrators were observed wearing uniforms resembling those of forest guards, and urged authorities to investigate those incidents thoroughly and bring the culprits to justice.

“Regrettably, we have consistently found ourselves targeted by criminal elements and at the same time, unfairly blamed for criminal acts we have no involvement in.

“Our markets have been indiscriminately destroyed under the guise of rooting out criminality, yet no evidence of wrongdoing has been found.

“Even in the remote areas where we graze our cattle, we face increasing threats from criminals without due response from the government or local leadership.

“We appeal to the government of the South East and the leaders of our host communities to recognise us as strategic stakeholders and refrain from unfounded attribution of wrongdoing to every herdsman out there.

“We implore them to support us in times of need and instruct their security forces to discern between genuine pastoralists and criminal elements masquerading as such,” Siddiki said.

According to him, MACBAN is a legitimate pastoralist organisation engaged in the lawful tending of cattle across Nigeria, but that they have unfortunately been misconceived as criminals.

The group stated that it was deeply concerned about the violence perpetrated against their members and their livestock, as well as the unfounded blanket accusations levelled against them in certain areas of the South-East



https://dailypost.ng/2024/05/10/miyetti-allah-alleges-killing-of-members-by-local-vigilantes-in-seast/

Open grazing is criminal though. There's nothing like herdsmen in a sane society.

Kudos to her.

Dsimmer:
Let me add that there's another person whom Ifa calls begotten child of Eledumare. It's "Jewesun, the lamb" as Ifa calls it. Since Ifa says Eledumare has only one begotten child, then it means Ela is the same as Jewesun. Even as Ela is same as Orunmila. However, is Ifa pointing out something to the Yoruba? This begs the question of what's Yoruba business with the Jews?

In addition, can we say "Jewesun = Elarowaye" which is implied by Odu Ifa is the basis why the the 12 disciples often say "Jesus is Lord" ?😅

This is me thinking loud.

As a matter of fact, Oluwa, Jewesun/Jesu and Yeshu were no strange words to the Yorubas before the European Missionary came with Lord and Jesus

Meanwhile, There's also Esu principle which represents freewill, orderliness, reform and diligence which is actually the personality of Eledumare Ayeraye operating within us. That is, we've got the freewill and when we make mistakes, we learn from it by reforming ourselves for the better next time. That's why Orunmila (Elarowaye) and Eshu are attributes which are friends and duality of each other. That is, Elarowaye (Orunmila) represents Intelligence whereas Eshu is full of reform and diligence.

The truth is we're meant to impact intelligence, diligence and good justice against useless strange terrorists trespassing into our aborigine territory..

This is why the Jew/Isreal have David, Samson, Deborah etc, just as the Yoruba also have Sango, Ogun, Oya etc.

Btw, Jewesun in full expatiation is "Je ki ewe sun" which translates into "Let the leaf sleep" which should mean serenity and tranquility. As I once stated, Yoruba do use J for Y at times. For example, "It shall be" in Yoruba is "Yoowa" which is "Ye ki o wa" in full expatiation however it's also pronounced as "Je ki o wa" at times 😅.. The Jewish do same. Yehuda is pronounced as Judah for example.

Question is what does ifa means by inferring Jewesun = Elarowaye ?

Ifa is mysterious, just as the Yoruba. We could either infer that the Yoruba were probably part of the Jews although they're yet to do DNA test with the Jews OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their thing. Na the ancient ghost DNA sef I wan focus on sef

Anyways, Ifa is quite valuable to the Yoruba, just as I previously stated because it's not just a belief system but also an educative platform while also entailing the history of the Yoruba race 📍

Basically, Ifa is all about intelligence, creativity, invention, agriculture, medicinal plants, nutrition.

Olu317:
Stop irritating me with false information.

Quote the Ifa stanza and let us learn from you.

Which one are you talking about exactly? Lol.

Is it the stanza of Orun and Ela which you already narrated of how Ela left Orun's house although you can't understand the parable?🤔

It simply means Ela can't do without Orun (divine heaven) and always works with Orun (divine heaven) hence the name, Orunmila! In the philosophical sense of it, Ela can't do without virtuousness and intelligence thus the name Orunmila!

Or you don't know Elarowaye who's Omoloju Olodumare?

Olu317:
Knowing ifaodu spirituality is beyond just reading some concocted books . The real deal is to actively knowledgeable about it through priests.

The reality is that, what you're posting is repetion of same view overand over again rwhich doesn't exist in ifa.

Therefore, kudos irrespective of how you have little knowledge Ela but can still be broaden to learn more about ifa as encyclopaedia of Yoruba/ Humanity.

Ire o

I simply stated what Ifa stated. Ifa says Elarowaye is Orunmila. So what's the confusion there?

While Ifa always speak in parables, it's not that difficult to read the lines. Orun and Ela are combined together to mean "Ela always works with divine heaven's knowledge" known as Orun. That's exactly what Ifa narrated when Ifa was talking about Orun and Ela thus emphasizing that Orun and Ela always work together thus the name "Orunmila" which is the shortened form of Elarowaye. That was why I said you should always take note of the name which sometimes gives out the meaning of the parables.

Elarowaye who's Omoloju Eledumare is also Orunmila as stated by Ifa. The first Ifa priest was named Orunmila, as well as Ela Oyigi born of a virgin woman who came to take over the Orunmila role.

Olu317:
Well, if you do not there a celebration to acknowledged sin and forgiveness , in ifaodu , then you will need to consult further from a priest / Olifa/Onifa/Babalawo on it.

Ela after having so much power and he was healing the sick, raising the dead, opening eyes of the blinds etc, he began to think, he can do it once he lives the abode of Orunmila.

Eventually,he left Orunmila's abode. After doing this, everything he touches doesn't become fruitful anymore each time people come to seek spiritual guidance from ifa through him.

He later device the right plan after he went to see other Babalawos and he was told of his wrong doing after divination were made.........

Thereafter he ackowledged his error and everything was restored back to him after sacrifices were done.........

There are ifa stanzas that talked about sin and forgiveness and what to be used as offering .

No human blood is used in ifa.Although fake priests and fetish people claiming isese do use human beings for their own selfish reason. Ifa reject human sacrifices.

Finally , Ela is not omoloju eledumare. Gbogbo wa ni omo ope segi segi gbogbo wa ni ifa bi
Orunmila ni Baba wa( if you are an initiate you will understand me)

Ire o

I'm sure you're talking about where Ifa talks about Orun and Ela?

As I said, Ifa always speak in parables. Don't forget Orunmila simply means Heaven's begotten light. Orunmila is shortened from Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare in full expatiation. Basically, Orunmila is simply Elarowaye. Orun and Ela are combined together to mean "Ela always works with divine heaven's knowledge".. Orunmila is the same as Elarowaye, just as Ifa often states. The first Ifa priest was named Orunmila, as well as Ela Oyigi, born of a virgin came to take over the Orunmila role.

Elarowaye is Omoloju Eledumare as stated by Ifa and he's also referred to as Orunmila which represent light manifestation and intelligence.

Ifa is really quite mysterious and also valuable because it's not just a belief system but also an educative platform while also entailing the history of the Yoruba race.

The only problem is those unenlightened folks who misinterpret the ebo. The ebo are rather educative symbolism thus shouldn't be taken literally. Personally, I wouldn't have had problem with the ignorant people misinterpreting the ebo if not for those useless people killing human for sacrifice while forgetting the fact Ifa hates Human sacrifices to begin with. In addition, Ifa always says all the Orishas live within us. So why would any useless fool sacrifice a Human? Ori is an Orisha for example, so why would any fool offer Ori as a sacrifice? Yet such useless fool think Ifa accept such harmful evil stupidity? Although I know Ifa people don't make human sacrifice. it's actually some useless people that do such useless acts.

Basically, Ifa is all about civilization, intelligent creative inventions, medicinal plants, agriculture..

Let me add that there's another person whom Ifa also calls the begotten child of Eledumare. It's "Jewesun the lamb" as Ifa calls it. Since Ifa says Eledumare has only one begotten child, hence, it means Elarowaye who's the begotten is also the same as Jewesun. Even as Elarowaye is same as Orunmila.

However, is Ifa pointing out something to the Yoruba? This begs the question of what's Yoruba business with the Jews?

Olu317:
Stop this please!Ela oyigi defaulted and sinned against Orunmila.

This is the reason, there is Odun Ela to appease and ask for for forgiveness of our sinful attitudes to Orunmila and Eledumare even against other irunmoles as well as ancestors of ours.

If you do not know these, then you need associate yourself with isese people to get better understanding on the subject matter.

What sin did Ela make against Orunmila? Let's start from there. Have you forgotten that primordial Elarowaye is Orunmila, albeit the first Ifa priest was known as Orunmila and there was also Ela Oyigi born of a virgin woman who came to take over the Orunmila role.

Of course Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare is often referred as the saviour of the world hence why the Odun Ela Oyigi is about asking forgiveness from Orunmila and Olodumare Ayeraye.

Let me also add that Orunmila who is known as Elarowaye is also often referred to as Obatala and Oduduwa because Elarowaye is the manifestion of the two halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) of one entity which manifest light energy.

Obatala means light energy character which is manifested by Oduduwa which is the the black vessel of character (Now, You can see the reason why the first man was a black man📍. Even Jesus ended up being a black man since he was representing the first man). Anyways, It's the interaction of these two halves regarded as Obatala and Oduduwa which manifest light energy to create the whole universe.

Elarowaye is simply the word, the absolute extension and visible manifestation of Eledumare Ayeraye who's a spirit thus regarded as Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare. Basically, Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare is the primordial vessel of character embodying Olodumare Ayeraye who's a spirit thus manifesting Olodumare Ayeraye's character which includes light energy to create the universe. This Elarowaye Omoloju Olodumare was later revealed to the world by being born through a virgin woman called Oyigi, then died but resurrected and ascended thereafter. It's all stated by Ifa.

Olu317:
You should read a bit about my edited post.

They are not the same. If you are an isese person , you will know these things.

Are you aware of festival rites and celebration of Ela Oluorogbo in ileife ? If you know, you will mix them up.

Do you know in this month Ebibi there is a celebration associated with Ela Omo ikofa Orunmila ?

Do you know reason for the celebration ?

I already stated that Ela olurogbo of Moremi is different from Ela olurogbo of Oyigi, the virgin woman. However, whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Elarowaye! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi, Ela Oluwo Orun or Elarowaye. All are same.