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Sleekfingers:
Judas was born to betray Jesus . According to the Bible.
So Judas came to fulfill the prophecy. He doesn't need to repent or ask for forgiveness. He was born for that purpose.
According to some scholars and deep Christian thinkers . They see Judas as a Saint .

You are talking rubbish.
Any son of Belial would have betrayed Him. As your pastors say "they did not write his name"

femi4:
You reference that scripture after mentioning 'expired grace'

Nothing like that in the scripture you quoted

Restitution is a path unto repentance while confession is unto salvation

No different from saying "Candidate for uncommon Blessings" and those beautiful catchy headers them Redeemed used to drop in the headlines of their bulletins in those days before they start placing beautiful scriptures that show the connection.

You can try restituting but as long as it is not accepted, you have nothing

vdestro:
That is the problem with being on the side of wrong. You go dey always find something to hang on to whether reasonable or unreasonable because the truth is very very fearful.

Yeah! Even wishes too become real to them

Drebreezer:
Judas will make heaven
God as make it that way that Judas will betray jesus for the scriptures bro be fulfilled

Stop wishing

femi4:
Incorrect
He didn't even ask for forgiveness. Nowhere in that scipture quoted talked about expired grace

Is repentance not in heart? Then the fact that he even physically took steps to try to remove himself from the offence, is also repentance.

And nowhere did i say that Matthew 27:3–5 said quoted it is "expired grace"

LordIsaac:
Judas couldn't have repented. Jesus Himself said that it were better if that man was not born. So, the determinism in that sentence overrides his freewill. Little wonder Christ warned him severally!

Wrong.

It is rather a judgement given in advance against a freewill exercised in the wrong way and direction

DrAda:
Most likely, but that does not absolve him of responsibility or exempt him from punishment.

Forgiveness means absolvtion of liability or even mitigation of liability.

But in this case he has full liability

k2money:
Person wey regret his actions and return the bribe no repent? Ọgá that Bible story full of lies

He repent but na every repentance you dey accept?

Oisagbai78:
Yes, Jesus Christ would have forgiven him, but the scriptures must be fulfilled according to Jesus Christ himself who told his disciples that "the Son of Man would be betrayed by one of his disciples and handed to be crucified"

Jesus Who had already closed the door saying "woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born."?

This is where you guys are just holding on to your wish that God can forgive everything, even when common sense already tells you that it is not True and that it can't be True.

Some things cannot be forgiven eg person carry mind say hin won murder God! So, if dem give you opportunity you go do am?

Bonab:
Judah's doom was prophesied in the Psalms. So how would he have repented. Even Jesus said woe is that man who will betray the Son of man.

However, satan found something in him, and that was why he was used; and that's greed for money- because he always stole from the money bag. So it easy to bait him.

This is the key.

The Plan is some child of Belial is going to fall for this trap, but who is it?

That is where Judas chose to put his name.

DeltaBachelor:
Funny people…..Without Judas Iscariot, will you all have been saved ? Answer o !

Yes!

Salvation has already been provided for even before Jesus came

NOETHNICITY:
As an ordinary human, I’ve already forgiven everyone who ever offended me or gravely betrayed me. So what’s special about this.

Ehn, i believe you. You couldn't forgive your mechanic for using your car to carry his babe

Ankakh:
True. If only he had repented, wonder how his story would have turned out.

Matthew 27:3–5 says he did as he even supposed to

caesymore:
I agree with you to an extent as I believe not all have such attirbutes.

All have the attributes but it is upto them to answer the call or resist it

ebubeson:
If Judas had repented without committing suicide, Jesus would have forgiven him.

Can you see there was no prophecy that whosoever betrayed Jesus will not be forgiven? Forgiveness was still there if repentance was made through Jesus Christ.

Judas saw that his repentance was a nullity that is why he in great pain he offed himself

Jesus had already prophecied that it is unforgettable in saying "woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born."

MartinCorridon:
Jesus to Judas Iscariot

Now you are lying against Jesus like Judas did. Continue

RealSleek:
But without Judas will Jesus die,

Yes! The earth is full of children of Belial, so one of them must fall into the Plan but who is the question.

That is why Jesus Said "woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born."

And most importantly betrayal should not be done by a family member or a friend

caesymore:
From your uncommon perception, no woman can entirely stick to one man, and they also don't have a mind of their own...

As the real eyeity has shown they have VERY GREAT DIFFICULTY doing that.

Antichristian2:
How does this mean giving your life to Jesus?

I thought Jesus was sent by someone!

See, Muslim and not understanding

Did I not already say that

Ai overview
Give your life to someone means -deliberate stepping down and unreserved will full and happy surrender to the control and direction of that person.

Antichristian2:
So the yardstick of morality is not the Bible and Jesus?

That is because i gave the clear one every reasonable person in the world knows the difference.

However, if i go to lust and polygamy people now start changing the meaning of morality. And it is Jesus and the Bible and Christianity Who clearly maintain that those things are immoral.

Hence the Bible and Jesus Christ are the yardstick as the Bible contains every moral thing in the face of the earth and upholds them

Truthseeker10:
Lol you are funny. So God is seeing that the person will kill and he is simultaneously seeing that the person will not kill before the person is created? Is that not a contradiction?

Do you not see that even before a girl became your girlfriend, that should would be a cheat and simultaneously she may never cheat, yet you still went after her and made her your wife?

As i said Finnito. This is Circular argument

Antichristian2:
So repentance is to change from one's bad ways! What's the yardstick to know good or bad for you to repent?

Do you not know good and bad?

Ok, let me ask which is good or bad

1) to douse yourself with petrol and set yourself aflame or

2) To buy Agege bread and give to the poor boy begging you on the road home?

Truthseeker10:
Show me the evidence of consciousness in the verse below.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

Simple. When you go to the police station do you see people in the cell reading and teaching and working there?

No!

And yet, are they not alive?
Yes!

Case closed

Antichristian2:
Did Jesus ask you to give your life to him?

Luke 9:23: "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me

Antichristian2:
So what did non-christian John the baptist mean by repentance?

Certainly not believing in Jesus's death and resurrection.

That's basically what it means now in Christianity. No Jesus no repentance.

But repentance preceded Jesus.

Google has already told you
AI Overview
repentance
/rɪˈpɛnt(ə)n(t)s/
Repentance means reviewing one's past or present wrongdoings, feeling sincere regret or contrition, and committing to a complete change in behavior and direction.

Yes, even before Jesus Came to tell us to repent, Moses did, Isaiah did, Ezekiel did. God had already sent people to warn man to repent

Antichristian2:
Mind you Jesus didn't request anyone to give him their life.

Most Christians have given their lives to Paul, the letter writer.

Muslims and never understanding .

Ai overview
Give your life to someone means -deliberate stepping down and unreserved will full and happy surrender to the control and direction of that person.

Antichristian2:
"Repent" has evolved to a Christian thing!

Other people in the other religions love being as they are so repentance must be a Christian thing.

And everybody knows what repentance means and what needs to be done, even Google

AI Overview

repentance
/rɪˈpɛnt(ə)n(t)s/
Repentance means reviewing one's past or present wrongdoings, feeling sincere regret or contrition, and committing to a complete change in behavior and direction

Truthseeker10:
Where is the choice if God already knows that an individual will kill people before even before creating the individual? Are you saying that an individual can change what God already saw that he would do before he was created?

Circular argument has started .
I just corrected you back that God also sees that the person will not kill.

So, as i just said it is your choice or the person's choice to keeel or not to kill and whatever decision is on you. Finnito

Truthseeker10:
in the verse below, is there consciousness in hell?

Sure.
A person held in custody is always alive and must be alive to be kept in custody.

It is the living who are taken to courts for trial and judgement

Truthseeker10:
ok.....so you are saying that your God sees both good and bad outcomes before creating people and decides to create them to do good and to do bad?

When you created the car did you not know that it could be used to crush people?
Yes.

Did that stop you from creating it since you also know that it could also be used to happily carry billions of people to very far places with those people saying thank you for creating the car?
No.

So, it does not matter what God knows. What matters is that you have a choice to either do the good or do the evl for which you would be held accountable for

Truthseeker10:
According to the verse below, is there suffering in Hell?

Told you before that hell is just police cell, custody, jail. It is not prison, which is what lake of fire is

AI Overview
Police custody means law enforcement officers hold a suspect in a secure facility—such as a police station lock-up—to investigate a crime, gather evidence, or conduct interrogations.

caesymore:
you have have a weird perception of women.

The accurate word is "uncommon perception".

While boys were loving and oogling girls, i was studying and tracking them especially when they do something that boys and men call stupid. I saw that women knew that it was not stupid but that we men don't understand that she has simply laid the first step of her elaborate plan.

I hope you see that I modified my last post before this