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Truthseeker10:
Where is the choice if God already knows that an individual will kill people before even before creating the individual? Are you saying that an individual can change what God already saw that he would do before he was created?

Circular argument has started .
I just corrected you back that God also sees that the person will not kill.

So, as i just said it is your choice or the person's choice to keeel or not to kill and whatever decision is on you. Finnito

Truthseeker10:
in the verse below, is there consciousness in hell?

Sure.
A person held in custody is always alive and must be alive to be kept in custody.

It is the living who are taken to courts for trial and judgement

Truthseeker10:
ok.....so you are saying that your God sees both good and bad outcomes before creating people and decides to create them to do good and to do bad?

When you created the car did you not know that it could be used to crush people?
Yes.

Did that stop you from creating it since you also know that it could also be used to happily carry billions of people to very far places with those people saying thank you for creating the car?
No.

So, it does not matter what God knows. What matters is that you have a choice to either do the good or do the evl for which you would be held accountable for

Truthseeker10:
According to the verse below, is there suffering in Hell?

Told you before that hell is just police cell, custody, jail. It is not prison, which is what lake of fire is

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caesymore:
you have have a weird perception of women.

The accurate word is "uncommon perception".

While boys were loving and oogling girls, i was studying and tracking them especially when they do something that boys and men call stupid. I saw that women knew that it was not stupid but that we men don't understand that she has simply laid the first step of her elaborate plan.

I hope you see that I modified my last post before this

caesymore:
Lol, not Ma Chérie, I married her a virgin. We hit a jackpot on each other. I've always been a good child to both my parents and they have always blessed me to have a good wife and fortunately I've been lucky with women. My wife no even stress me, we grew up same church same state and never dated to we became of age, we both travelled out but I'm in Nigeria for now to tidy some stuff will be back with her after Nov. while she is in the United States

Sex changes people especially women.

When a virgin starts having sex, now she starts seeing and hearing and feeling all the bad bad things that women have been telling her all her life and now she is being pulled by them to do her own.

As a virgin those she could overcome those things women were telling her to do but once she had sex, her dam breaks and everything she has heard all her life now start drowning and moving her. And she would be like x-men Jean Grey when she was in the stream after the dam bursted and was going to keeel dem xmen in the plane. So she held the river while being surrounded by the river.

That is how it is for a virgin after sex and that is why I told men crying for virgin that they are in for a rude shock and surprise in the desire for a virgin. There is also GREAT CHALLENGE waiting for them. Devil still has several traps and tricks planted there

So, you better bring her back or go and live with her, hopefully, it is not too late, if not she is bye bye.

ebubeson:
Jesus Christ forgives the worst of sinners and Jesus Christ never told you so about Judas. Don't add to what Jesus Christ never told you about Judas.

Did Jesus not Say "woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born."?

And then Judas last act was to murder himself.

“The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.” Gloria Steinem

peteregwu:
Your comments expose the danger of passing judgment on what you refuse to understand. You have accused my church of Juju, paganism, and even hiding dead bodies, yet you have presented ZERO evidence. Now you have labelled our apron a Juju garment. Have you ever read Acts 19:11–12, where God performed extraordinary miracles through Paul, so that handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their diseases were healed? Was Paul practising Juju?

Our G.O. prayed over and anointed the aprons for God's work, trusting God to honour His Word and answer prayer. The power belongs to God, not the fabric. Your refusal to believe does not give you the authority to redefine God's work as witchcraft.

Remember Matthew 12:24–32: the Pharisees attributed the works of Jesus to demonic power, and Jesus gave a grave warning against blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I am not declaring that you have committed that sin, but you should be extremely careful about condemning as demonic what you have neither investigated nor proved.

You are entitled to question our practices, but you are NOT entitled to invent allegations, pronounce guilt without evidence, and disguise prejudice as discernment. Bring evidence or stop presenting your suspicions as facts. Disagreement is not proof of paganism, and your disbelief is certainly not the standard by which God's power is judged.

Acts 19:15 is laughing at you
Simon the sorcerer, bar-Jesus also did the same.

So, what is the difference between Paul and them, paganism.

peteregwu:
Juju exists in South Africa, perhaps even more openly than in Nigeria. But how does that prove my church practises it? The Bible warns against sorcery, but it also warns against calling God's work evil (Matthew 12:31–32). Be careful not to attribute to Satan what you cannot explain about God's power. If you accuse my church of practising Juju, bring evidence. Don't turn your disbelief into an accusation against God's work!

Cool it peter, i have already said that you have caused me to investigate your church so, let me do my investigation

bobestman:
I will not not waste my time going into deep argument with you. You know nothing and empty. You just want to keep arguing cos you feel am insulting you Christians. What I told you is very clear and simple. Their is no witchcraft in meditation. All religion practice it. It's an ancient way to to connect to God. It's proven spiritually, medically, academically etc. it helps relax the the mind cos it's when your mind is relaxed that your get clear dreams, ideas, visions, encounters etc. When your ignorance on the issue is clear you said you you didn't say meditation is wrong but said it's my own meditation and even called it witchcraft. Keep deceiving yourself. You are too small. Go look for those you can easily misinform with your lies

You have already wasted your time and are still wasting it as the thread shows that what I said is that you are doing a religion of mixing ibo tradition (paganism) with Christianity.

Christianity cannot be mixed with paganism. Period

caesymore:
You trolls, I will definitely write something about you guys on nairaland one day, you don't know a thing about me but here you are trying to disparage my post. I wonder how you are convinced I'm your imaginary guy. Check through my post I don't have time for rubbish. Na 1 million dey make una twerk, lol, just like I said to your fellow trolls, pray God overlooks your back bitting and show you to taste the good life.

Truly when I read it, i did not think that you were fabuing however, there are too many rage baiters here so, a warning cannot be taken as a pinch of salt.

Nonetheless, i still gave my own view of your case since you say it's real

ebubeson:
It was prophesied that someone will betray Jesus. Judas finally betrayed Jesus Christ, but he never repented. Peter denied Jesus Christ, but came back to Christ and was accepted. Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas if He repented.

No matter the sin you have committed against Jesus Christ, even if it is a betrayal, tell Jesus Christ to have mercy on you and forgive all your sins. He will forgive all your sins.

What sin have you committed? Adultery, masturbation, fornication, bestiality, murder, abortion, gay, hookup, lying, paternity fraud, lesbianism, yahoo yahoo, rituals, vodoo, juju, witchcraft, hatred, envy, malice, worldly dressing, forging certificate, bribery, gossip, rape etc. Tell Jesus to forgive you all your sins and repent never to go back again.

Not True.
JMatthew 27:3–5 but his grace had expired, so he God locked out from God.

Same thing happened to Esau, Joseph, King Saul, Solomon etc

God's Mercy And Grace Has A Time Limit!

Not True.
JMatthew 27:3–5 but his grace had expired, so he God locked him out from God.

Same thing happened to Esau, Joseph, King Saul, Solomon etc

God's Mercy And Grace Has A Time Limit!

https://www.nairaland.com/8292342/gods-mercy-grace-time-limit#133280130

Easyluv2live:
if you know what is right and fails to do it it's a sin, but doing the right thing doesn't mean you are a Christian,so don't try converting any body but show them the right thing to do that is what Christ is after not religion

See, you are only covering guilt of omissiom; what of the guilt of commission?

Religion simply means doing something very seriously and devoutly and Christ is after man pursuing and doing holiness and righteousness which is Christianity

ikorodureporta:
I see the gospel as a way of life. Christ taught many positive things.
Before Christ were many on this earth.
He was after the people going astray...

For me, being a Christian is not all that matters.
What matters most is having that positive attitude Christ tried projecting....

That's why I cannot see someone and start preaching on the basis of converting the person to Christianity.... doesn't make sense to me.

That is because you yourself are not yet converted. You are still sitting on the fence and playing best of all worlds. You are not serious yet.

Luke 9:62

It is now clear that Satan has taken over

peteregwu:
For all those still doutning and skeptical, here is a More Detailed Account of Eyewitness Testimonies About the Armed Robbery Incident at The Lord’s Chosen Church in South Africa. That's a link from the Facebook page of the G.O of the Lord's chosen charismatic Revival Movement

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1CiJpz4fNu/

Juju also works in S.A, in fact S.A is more openly jujuyi than Nigeria so, this is what your evidence proves

peteregwu:
You don't need to have interest in my church because you already have alignment with him before now. So, we don't need your validation, even Muslims are members of Chosen today because of the great work of God. Remain in your biase mindset. This is not about biasness, this is about God's power which has no limitation of mens unbelief and validation. Lol!

I have just smelled a dead body coming out of your church, so, i am interested. And the mere fact that you don't want me interested proves to me that indeed there is a coupla stiffs under your church. And the fact that you now raised the bold proves that indeed your church is not clean but very guilty just like Catholics, jw and co.

So that your green vests is truly a juju dress of protection just like juju people wear, same thing the Catholics and Muslims do with their beads. Your church is a place of pagan practices. As i said, i now understand that even people going to church are into juju and pagan things and both you and your church are proving to be one of them.

I would be watching your church now and I will pay it a visit.

Ditto:
If i was truly biased you would have pointed it out.

This Dangote ehn, he is a very very bad person oo. He is like an American movie bad guy.

Oliver Queen needs to pay this guy a visit

bobestman:
You call yourself a Christian but know nothing about the religion. You misinterpret bible to teach what you have in mind. If you see a truth that doesn't align with you, you call it paganism cos you think you know bible. Go do your research about ancient and true Christianity and see for yourself that meditation is an important practice. Many who wrote bible do when they are meditating in calmness in a solitary place e.g Moses. You are just empty. You know nothing but always claim and brag that you know

The bold. See, how everything you said is just you committing the ad hominem fallacy.

AI Overview
"An ad hominem fallacy is a logical flaw that happens when someone attacks the character, motive, or background of the person making an argument instead of addressing the actual claim or evidence"

And then, the small remaining part of your statement that is not an ad hominem fallacy, is now the one that goes OFF POINT.

Did I say that meditation is wrong?
No!

But, because you know that your own meditation is what God called witchcraft and jujuism is why you imagined that I was criticising you on "meditation", since you used "meditation" to join your paganity to Christianity.

A case of guilty conscience.

So, you are wailing and abusing me because I have just spoilt your trado-bible pagan religion and i am spoiling it.

In the end you are still a pagan worshipper just like those who worship ogun

bobestman:
Many Christians today are just ignorant. Claiming to know but know nothing. They carry a book they claim to know what is written in it but when you read with open mind you will just see many of their errors and ignorance. I explained a lot here with many things in the bible to show that meditation is not just a Christian practice but all religions. I also showed what Chi/Ori/angel was actually and how people can depend on their Chi to know many things......but they called it paganism. You all were brainwashed since 19 kpom kpom

Are you people so ignorant that you don't know that meditation is one of the doctrines of ancient Christianity? If you don't know go and research it. Meditation is all over your bible. The Psalmist talked more of it. Christ disappeared many times from his disciples in a solitary place to meditate. In Acts 10:9-10 Peter was actually meditating. Many things you read in the bible today did not fall from above. They were actually written by those who encountered God or their Chi during meditation cos through meditation you get vision s and enter unseen realms to gain knowledge. This is why many of you will pray and shout to the high heavens but nothing but when you sleep or relax your mind you see visions, trance, dreams etc. Your Chi work with you best when your mind is calm via meditation

Are you people so unwise that you don't know that Chi is same thing as your higher self or angel. Don't your pastors teach you that you have a personal angel? What did your bible say about angels? Ministering spirits right? Cos you don't know how to put your angel to work you call it paganism. Many things you call paganism were actually practiced by ancient and true Christianity not this one you practiced that has been mixed with many lies

I will keep teaching you people what is in your bible but you don't know. Many of you think you are wise but know nothing. You condemn many things you don't know cos of ignorance and misinformation from fake god of men you call pastors who don't even know their left from right. Na me suppose they shake head for una ignorance wey dey stink all over the heavens

See how you are abusing us just because we reject your unholy alliance. Your response here just proves me right and that what you are saying is indeed very bad and ev

Besides, no one said that meditation belongs to Christianity alone, however, how we do our meditation is very different and we know that it must be different from pagan practices for that is what God came to save us from. That is why God expressly prohibited ALL of the pagan practices pagans do and have done in this world.

And that is why paganism cannot be allowed to defile Christianity. Thus, we do not have angels who work for us, that is a pagan belief (one proof Catholics are pagans). What we have is that we have a beautiful relationship with God and He handles our affairs in any manner He Directs. And every other thing He needed us to do, He already told us.

So carry your jujuism and pagan trado-bible religion away

jaephoenix:
Do you believe i have wings and can fly

Video evidence is not the only evidence. You can as well go and meet him to physically prove to him that you can fly if you are serious.

But, this case is not about you. So, if you find that you are interested in uncovering this case, fly to south Africa for us and come and show us what you found

jaephoenix:
Sorry bro. I'm an atheist. I have asked your guys to provide video where the bullets failed to penetrate. Still waiting

That is just you concentrating on another part of the transaction but valid anyway

peteregwu:
Someone accuses my church of practising Juju without a shred of evidence simply because God did what he cannot explain, and you expect me to stay silent? Yet, you call my response a personal attack? Stop it! You cannot make baseless accusations against my church and play the victim when challenged. His accusation says more about his mindset than my response ever will.

Thank God you confess that he accused "your church" and not you, personally.

And then you say "baseless accusations/without a shred of evidence" even when it is you who supplied both the evidence and the base.

And you say he should explain to you when rather, it is you who should do the explaining exactly as you are doing to the atheist.

Your reaction is very extreme, violent and very much aggressive beyond what that guy said and so it looks like the guy touched the Truth. Your reaction is exactly how guilty people behave when caught.

And in all these rage you have still not presented any reasonable and valid rebuttal to the accusation. All you have done is to simply attack the guy and now you are trying put him on the defensive whereas the burden of rebutting the accusation is on you and remains upon you.

And this has got me interested in your church for with this your reaction i align with the guy.

This is Truly juju and witchcraft And truly Catholics, muslims, juju worshipers have also had this kind of miracles shouting their words of jujuness eg "hail Mary" and "Mohammed","enyor"!

So how is your church different?

Even Adeboye who claimed such was not believed, so why the rage?

And of course, we all can feel it that God does not work that way but that is the way of pagans and their witchcraft called Juju

bobestman:
Hahaha what you people can't understand you call religion or plagiarism. Which of the two religion was it plagiarized from hehehe? Do you you want me to tell him to go dash his money to fake dibias or to go and be spending countless nights in churches and pastors? What many of you don't know and can never understand is that their is a spirit in man which is the breath of the Most high that can teach you all things (that is a bible verse). Whether religion or no religion people depends on their Chi to know things. Before religions their is a way people connect to God and it via communion with their Chi and Meditation. Go to some Asian countries now Meditation is important practice and with it solution to many problems come. Many of your leaders rush to this developed countries but don't know how they get solution to many problems you run their to solve

What many religions don't understand is that the God they call they don't know and can't see but just believe. When you call on God he hears but the one sent to help you is your Chi. Your Chi is a fraction of God within you. That's why they say you are gods but don't know and will die like mean men....this is cos you don't know your Chi. When you know your Chi and become one with him you become god that he is. Some clowns when they hear god they think it's idols but don't know we are all gods and as everything is in twos positive and negative so their are good and bad gods. Christ Chi was God when he became one with his Chi he became God and says he and the father are one....that is what happens when you become one with your Chi. For better understanding read the book of Daniel where he prayed for his people. The one who brought the answer was his Chi and that of his people. God hears you but very far above you. You already have his spirit within you who can teach you many things. When you know him ....you know many things others can't see or understand . What you do in religions is just interaction and connections. To really know God and his mind ...know your Chi

It is clear that you are plagiarizing Christianity and obviously, you are doing a religion of mixing ibo tradition (paganism) with Christianity. That explains your unholy mens rea

Christianity cannot be mixed with paganism

jaephoenix:
Good. Is asking god 'why did my father die' a prayer? Yes or no. Communicate once without a b u

Yes, it is.

All of you are not experienced drivers.

What you should do is to maintain is to press your brakes down and release and re accelerate so that the car jumps up to go through the cargo hold. Hopefully, it is computers that is inside the trailer and not caterpillar.

peteregwu:
You wey be say na only about orgasm you sabi. How will you believe God. Smh..

Now you have just proven that the commenter right with your personal attack.