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mysticwarrior:
In Book of Job, Satan appears among “the sons of God” in a heavenly council (Job 1–2). Why would he who staged a rebellion against God in heaven be allowed to attend a meeting in heaven in the presence of God? Secondly God and the devil even entered an agreement for the devil to bring tribulation upon job household just to test Job. Judging from the above would anyone be wrong to assume that the devil and God and working together and humans are meant to believe that they are enemies?

When you are too big enemies cannot bother you if anything their activities amuse you like a Makoko man fighting Tinubu. Would that fight stop Tinubu from inviting him to asokoro if he wished it?

Clearly, it was a meeting in which he was summoned to show that despite all his activities, they still did not make any impact.

Which even led to God mocking and humiliating him that after all he has done job is still disgracing him satan.

So, clearly the meeting was about Job and how Satan had failed there hence the summoning and the challenge of God boasting that Job would still beat him (Satan) even if God did not shield him (Job).

And every reasonable person can see that.

tctrills:
Bobo, you go try calm down. I understand you and the boy are close. Is he your Son?

As i said, semikuku

DeepSight:
Dear LordReed, following our discussion here -

https://www.nairaland.com/8617978/real-truth-world-13-years

I promised to open a new thread to specifically discuss the idea that we live in a simulation.

So here goes.

Let me start by saying that the idea that the world is a mere "shadow" or "reflection" of a kind is an old one in history, philosophy and indeed religion. Plato's Allegory of the Cave springs to mind in this regard, where he describes a scenario where some men are imprisoned in a cave all their lives and only ever see the shadows of real beings passing by outside the cave.

Plato’s Allegory of the Cave describes a group of prisoners chained in a dark cavern, facing a wall where they see only the shadows of objects carried before a fire behind them. Having known nothing else, they mistake these flickering silhouettes for reality itself. When one prisoner is freed and dragged into the sunlight, he is initially blinded and pained by the brilliance of the true world, eventually realizing that the Sun is the source of all life and truth, while the cave was merely a dim reflection. However, upon returning to the cave to enlighten his peers, he is mocked and rejected, as the prisoners prefer the comfort of their familiar illusions over the difficult ascent toward objective knowledge.
---Culled.

Indeed the same idea of the illusory nature of the world is ubiquitous in religion as well. The Holy Quran describes the world as a shadow. Al-Hadid Surah 57:20. And so does the Holy Bible - 1 Chronicles 29:15.

The Question of Reality

Now the question is just how "real" our reality is. At this juncture I would like to correct your notion of illusion. You should note that even a hallucination has some reality to the extent that it is an experience. Even a video game has some reality to the extent that it is experienced. Thus it seems to me that when you place the test as asking one to jump off a building and see the result, you are missing the point. That we are having an experience in this world of some kind or the other is beyond cavil, the question is just how substantial in reality that experience is. For me, it is clear that we cannot proceed without establishing what we mean by something that is properly real.

The definition I work with is something that exists in substance by itself as opposed to something which is only put on: as opposed to a set of images, feeling or sounds which are cast before the experiencer merely to experience and which can be removed in the same way as one may wake from a dream, or one may remove a VR Headset, or one may come out of a video game or a movie or the like. It is my contention that this life is similar to a contrived set of experiences cast before us but lacking in the substantiality of its own base realness.

You have to ask yourself, for the day is surely coming, when Virtual Reality technology will be so advanced as to be completely indistinguishable from our reality - you have to ask yourself if such VR experiences will thus be "real." You see, in such VR experiences there will still be cause and effect just as jumping from a building and falling down, and you could even be made to feel pain therein.

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Since you agree that experience is real eyeity, then the difference between real eyeity and delooshun is simply one is a creation in the mind of the deluda

You people are destroying the green. If you are not careful you people will be like Lagos. Too much houses everywhere

AkinwaleJJ:
Before the revised standard whoever is reading the KJV version will continue to go blind spiritually speaking.

For instance the only version that has made its adherents a global family today is the New World Translation published by Watchtower.

Please present any other version of the Bible that those using it don't participate in worldly politics and wars!

Yet, the world is United in kjv and all of them have been reading it for years with no one being blind but rather with every reasonable person both kjv readers more condemning you jws and your adulterated bible snd your occultic ways

tctrills:
Bobo, this one you remember me today. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but that you boy was utterly mannerless. What did you expect me to do?

As i said you are semikuku

Don't forget that you enjoyed your life when 30 reach and you are now interested in politics shouting gofmemt, gofmemt.

ShalliFvckMe:
So let me get this straight.

Instead of your God to destroy the fallen angel
He allow them to rule over you and the world?

So God will punish poor man that sex
But he won't punish rich man because he is a descdant of fallen angels.
InsteadbGod allow him to rule over earth??

E no go better for whoever introduced Christianity to Africans

Bros, continue, when your lamentations come don't make noise ooo

ShalliFvckMe:
Bill gates that was exposed in Epstein files for knacking Russian Olosho raw.
Did it affect his destiny?? He is still the richest
Dangote that was exposed by his side chick after knacking. Did the sex destroy Dangote destiny? Man still built a refinery and succeed.

You Nigerians are very ignorant
The white man that brainwashed you with religion like sex 10 times more than you and are more advanced and living long than you that carry bible for head. Destiny Kee u there

Infact Epstein files exposed that the richest men in the world love sex more than anything
They even have sex with underA and still their destiny no change. They are ruling this world

Blacks are mentally conquered with religion
And superstitions to lock them down so they can't reason any further and achieve their potential. Instead they are busy fighting imaginery devil while whites are knacking up and down doing orgies and still advancing higher in life.

And look at them? Are they happy? Plus you think your own would be like that? Yet you laugh at women for forking to try to go to Russia or Dubai. Smh

nikky5:
Some say polygamy is a sin without any scriptural affirmation. Some will quote the old testament patriarchs like David and Abraham who had concubines as being justified by God.

The new testament only qualify bishops and church workers to be husbands of one wife. Will a Christian will more than one wife go to hell?

A Christian who was a Christian, yet he went and did marriage adultery (polygamy) is as guilty as every adulterer.

BodyCount:
Dey there dey deceive yourself. Tell me how many men in your Bible that were monogamist.
Even people God labelled as his
BEST FRIEND,
CLOSE TO HIS HEART AND
WISEST all married multiple women.
You are more special or you know better than those people?

Funny generation were girls no longer marry as virgins, would have numerous bodycount before marriage and many would have even dated married men, yet when it's their turn and they have finally settled down, they want men who now have multiple options to stay loyal to them only

Enoch, Noah, Daniel, Job were people God Called as His Champion as they scored His Score of "PERFECT"".

All others, it was mercy that saved them as we all see that they nearly did not make it if not for their 1 or 2 great works God recognised and scored them for

MrPresident1:
There is no sin in polygamy, but it is not a wise choice giving the prevailing socioeconomic condition of the whole world. Let all men cut their libido according to their economy, and manage scarce resources prudently. A time is coming when the economy will improve, where the socioeconomic indices will become heavenly, and monogamy itself will no longer be a wise decision.

So for the now, while the world is upside down, let us be wise and prudent. The misalignment will be corrected shortly.

Show me who can do polygamy without being guilty of adultery?

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

nikky5:
Some say polygamy is a sin without any scriptural affirmation. Some will quote the old testament patriarchs like David and Abraham who had concubines as being justified by God.

The new testament only qualify bishops and church workers to be husbands of one wife. Will a Christian will more than one wife go to hell?

Show me who can do polygamy without being guilty of adultery?

https://www.nairaland.com/8032594/deuteronomy-17-17-shows-god#128966884

MaxInDHouse:
On the contrary JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is the name the only true God gave His worshipers after separating faithless people from among His faithful servants.

You will leave behind a name that my chosen ones will use as a curse, And the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will put each of you to death, But his own servants he will call by another name. Isaiah 65:15

The name false religionists and pagans took is Christians thinking that is the name God wants His worshipers to be called but you have all lost it because there are worshipers of God before the time of Jesus and they are not Christians and for your information the name "CHRISTIANS" was given to Jesus' first century disciples in a city called Antioch {Act 11:26} before then followers of Christ were first called "disciples of the Nazarene", later they began calling them "people belonging to the Way" and finally they were called CHRISTIANS.

Even though they knew this people were really devoted and ready to practice the things Jesus taught them yet they were using all these names to mock them but the disciples of Christ welcomed it all as they were ready to be counted unworthy of honor along with their leader.

So continue deceiving yourself because that group name "CHRISTIANS" has been bastardized today with so many atrocities committed in that group name that is why if i should ask you now to tell us on this forum the name of the church where you worship as a Christian you can never ever mention any reputable name due to shame of all the atrocities leaders of your so called Christian churches have committed that is why all of you keep hiding under that group name "CHRISTIANS" as lawlessness has made you unproductive so you have now turned that name to an idol that you keep worshiping while criticizing one another. 🙂

According to Jesus his real disciples will be known globally as active preachers and teachers of God's word in all their neighborhood {Act 1:8} they will have love among themselves {John 13:34-35} they will not participate in worldly politics {John 17:14-16} and people of all other religions will hate them. John 15:18

Now tell me which religion fulfilled all of these today apart from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

So if you are claiming Christian yet you can't mention the name of your church we know the reason why.

You are all hiding behind idols while claiming worshipers of God! Revelation 6:16🙂

You are the one deceiving yourself. Many churches are global and do not participate in politics and all yet, like your cult, no reasonable person can call them Christians nor a church of God.

tctrills:
O boy that you pet really means so much to you. I feel your pain but next time don't bring it into a discussion of humans. Let it remain in its chains.

As i said, you are semikolo

Fiscus105:
Hope you also know the same goes to man and not only infidelity and every unrighteousness.

And you should also know that everybody, both man and woman has one or more secrets things he/she had done in the past.

Not really.
Women know that they married a cheat. Some wives even push their husbands to cheat and God Sees all these, so it plays out differently for most men.

kolosman:
..From a scientific and logical point of view, the idea of an all-powerful being leaving a "wicked" subordinate to torture his children is a sign of a very bad father or a total lack of power. If you see a snake in your child’s room and you have a cutlass, do you leave the snake there and tell your child to "keep praying" for protection? No, you kill the snake. ...

Are you His child?

Are you even in His House talkless of His Room? Is it not that you asked to be free and do as you like and went outside to play with the snakes and lions in your feeling that you are strong and intelligent like the prodigal child?

So, now you are complaining about snakebites and lion tears what is God's business with it?

Do, you even behave like Him, such that when anybody sees you they would say that you are truly His child?

Of which did you not hear that Satan is thrown into the same fire you are crying about, which means that he too would be wailing and sofarin his own tuments?

Why are you even complaining shebi they don't exist?

Thereedemer:
Guy God didnt create anybody
Earth is one kind , some other advance souls took advantage played God, came together to create human body or tech that is limiting us and make us feel like a slave. This body is limiting the soul is not the 6 sense of the body is too active to this realm why is it created like that?

Even you are advanced to the mannequin, so how many of yous did it take to create the mannequin?

Rest, of course, it is not an a mannequin that would create you, it must be an advance you that must create the mannequin.

So, it is with He Who we call God.

tctrills:
Oh you are defending your thing. I understand.

As i said, you are semikuku

Lovelink1991:
Are you saying religious leaders doesn't have the choice to resist political influence on them knowing that they are the ones being used to influence their congregation?

You yourself do you always resist influence?

tctrills:
I am happy you have put your thing back to its cage.
I am used to people being not on side on nairaland.
I just felt we did not need his distraction. The only reason you released him here was to insult me and I felt it was a distraction.

It is clear that you are semikuku

Kalulu44:
My own is how was the driver able to escape from that over turn car without being nab

Because no be him God come for, na the girl, God won catch.

One by one God is answering women

ednut1:
God could not protect her on her way to worship him. What a God

Who told you that she is. Christian?
If anything this is a sign that God has caught her.

This is one of the many ways God uses to catch women when they think they have been escaping God and bribing Him with prayers and fastings and acts of kindness

Let's say the Truth, there is something good in pornography for married couples.

For singles, it is fully wicked and it should be avoided completely.

But for the married couple, who never had sex before, there is plenty to learn. Both good and bad things which may help your marriage or break it.

But i think that if both of you were mature enough to marry then i say, yes i say, that porn would help your marriage and help you simpulinnoccent couple to fill in the gaps of all the things the world says you are missing.

And it would show you that you missed nothing and that all satisfactions and orgasms are all the same and that in the end, everyone gets tired of sex.

And that the only sweet sex is the sweet PEACEFULL sex you have with your spouse. All others are shiiiiit and hell. They only pleasurable in the beginning but in the greater and longer lasting end it is pain and sorrows and tears and death as Atagha and that banker who that small lawyer girl dealt with that till today he is still shouting and wailing even though they are no longer doing again.

Even in porn you can see those who are marriage breakers and why they forked you the way you know that they shall. But it is all to trap you. In the end they are the same persons whom you never wanted to marry and whom you swore you would never forkk or marry.

So, porn is good for married christians who do not want to commit adultery.

Oya, make una kon stab me

gabicon:
You need to be very careful about restitution and who you listen to about the topic. There are many things the blood of Jesus covers as a result of repentance, such things don't require restitution. However there are sins that bring an accusation in the courts of heaven, like the blood of Abel or Saul killing some people, those things require restitution.
We have to depend on the spirit of God to know what requires restitution. If a man is telling you to restitute, most times you don't require restitution.

Restitution is required to make right accusations in the courts of heaven.
Some things can't be restituted like rape, or disvirging under false pretence, in such situations forgiveness is what suffices.

You gave a smart answer however, if read the laws you would see that everything is restituable even if such restitution includes the demand of your death such as the person raped or the husband of your co adulterer may demand

Fornication of a virgin does not require restitution because it is not rape.

MrEar:


It is well.

It is well already brother.

tctrills:
Oga let's go back to topic that thing you brought is distracting us. Tell it to go back home.

See, proof of none say nitty, if not you would have known that this is a public forum where anybody can come in and make their own views. But because, he is against you, is why you are burning him and making it look like i called him to prevent other christians from condemning you. Which of course you know was going to happen because you know you are lying and talking rubbish and you know christians must condemn you. But you are trying to block it. Forgetting that they can all see you are kond.emmd alre.dy

tctrills:
I answered your question using God's words now answer mine and you are free to answer with the bible

If you did i won't have reminded you that you 2 days ago that you answered "If after all I have written, you still don't know the answer"

Which means that you yourself confessed that you did not answer the question but that you wanted me help you answer it.

So, answer my question whether "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?"

If you like.

tctrills:
I don't know where you went to fetch this one for moral support, please tell your boy that you can handle yourself.

Like i said, your none say nity has started to show

tctrills:
If you disobey God, have you sinned?
Was God's commandment to everyone or to a select few?
Answer these and you have your answer.
The answer you seek are in the questions above

I asked you my question first, even 9 times whether "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?"
So, answer mine first before I answer yours, if you like

tctrills:
Oga you need to take it easy, just because you went to find one of you boys to insult me makes no difference. I am not that insecure, I don't need to find or invite my son to speak against you.

Its been 4days we have been going on this issue which ee have been at it since morning but it is now that someone else, a second person for that matter, has told you that you are talking rubbish, it is now you stieupily say that I went to bring someone. You clearly are partially ouht sayne

tctrills:
From the verses you read above, was the commandment for everyone or for just a few? Please answer

I asked you my question first whether "Do you say that God commanded that everyone must marry and that if they do not marry they have sinned?"

So, answer mine first before I answer yours, if you like