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Prophit:
A lot of flaws in the young man's assertion. Maybe the professor no sabi anything.

Easiest way to shut down the argument would be the edgc principle

The professors assertion was already flawed, so the young man has a right to do his own flaw in reply.

Which is what he did and the point of this post

SmartPolician:
God created and gave us this world; He said we should run and dominate it. Christ made it clear that His kingdom is in heaven. That's why God hardly interfere in the affairs of men, even when we commit evils.

Go and read again. God cancelled your right to dominate since your elders messed it up

Good counter to the professors sthupead sense.

However, God said He created evil but creating evil is not the problem.

The problem is the wrong
and unlawful use of it.

Kalashnikov and hypo have created evil yet, no one calls their names.

Rather everyone blames the person who uses evil in the wrong way eg blaming bandits and kidnappers for using the Kalashnikov; mothers giving their babies acid to drink.

https://www.nairaland.com/3394821/wicked-step-mum-feeds-3-day-old#50010920.

Even a good thing used wrongly is bad eg using our beloved camry to jam people

https://www.nairaland.com/8410985/11-killed-dozens-injured-vancouver#135154480

So, it is not the creation of evil, that is evil, but the wrong and unlawful use of it.

Jw 10, Deleting all my comments won't change the fact that you quoted the fake nkjv Colossians 1:16. Which said

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

Whereas the kjv said " By Him".

And I pointed out that even your fake nkjv even said the Truth at first in saying "By Him" at the beginning.

So cry and wail jws for Jesus is God!

Dem think say na only John 1 dem need to change.

Gabrielshow, Tctrills come see again how jws dey wail so tey dem don delete my comments to dem as dem run since dem no fit get any valid counter.

Clear proof that jws ah antiJesus

Jw 10, Deleting all my comments won't change the fact that you quoted the fake nkjv Colossians 1:16. Which said

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

Whereas the kjv said " By Him".

And I pointed out that even your fake nkjv even said the Truth at first in saying "By Him" at the beginning.

So cry and wail jws for Jesus is God!

Dem think say na only John 1 dem need to change.

Gabrielshow, Tctrills come see again how jws dey wail so tey dem don delete my comments to dem as dem run since dem no fit get any valid counter.

MetalJigsaw:
That's true.

In Matthew 28:18 (NIV), Jesus declares,
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me," marking the start of the "Great Commission".

This statement establishes the resurrected Jesus as the supreme ruler over the universe, authorizing his disciples to go and make disciples of all nations.


Context: These words are spoken by Jesus to his disciples on a mountain in Galilee after his resurrection.

Significance: It serves as the foundation for the command to preach and teach, as the authority behind the mission is total, covering both heavenly and earthly realms

Actually the word "has been given to me" means that He already had it even before He Said it in Mathew 28:18.

So, the question is when was Jesus given such Authority? And the is what i sent the jw guy to go and check which is why he has been wailing and complaining since because he can now see and feel that his jw colt people are Lieyars, hence all his wails and desperation to change the Truth into the Lies he has been fed with and he has eaten too much.

See, in Pain the jw guy has removed all my comments to him

Janosky:
Oga , you remove John 17:7 from your Bible ?

Nah you convert Paul to become believer?
Was king Pharoah subject to Joseph?
Whoever send you go assignment or give you authority can not be your equal,nah Jesus talk am, John 13:16.

We were not talking about John 17, or about Paul nor Pharoah and Joseph but about Mathew 28:18, so you are talking Off Point and you do not have any reasonable thing say on this issue, so go and cry in your place

Truthseeker10:
There would be no need continuing this discussion if you claim that the translation of the nkjv rendering of the Greek word "en auto" as "through him" is fake. The only thing remaining is for me to block you. Do you still insist that the nkjv translation of Colossians 1:16 is fake? If yes, I would block you.

There was nothing left for you to say when I first told you that you had nothing reasonable to say when you tried twisting and the frauding me in your attempt to try escaping the noose you hung on when i showed you that kjv directly said "By Him", which you yourself rendered your nkjv fake.

Funny, i just saw that even the fake nkjv you quoted started by saying the Truth before it showed its fakeness by saying the "through Hiim" you erroneously hung on

Truthseeker10:
Below is Colossians 1:16.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

And even the "for Him', tells you that all creations were meant to be His Own.

So, as i have been saying since, you have a nothing reasonable to say

Janosky:
Oga, what is your own claim about 1 John 5:7 Mosco100 referenced ?
Oga,stop deceiving yourself

Every reasonable person understands that Jesus is God, The Son of God!.

But because you jws love liees Truth cannot live with you

Truthseeker10:
Be humble and get Educated. You actually need to learn about this trinity very well. You have been saying things that Even your fellow Trinitarians do not agree with.

Off Point

Truthseeker10:
Be humble and get educated.

Off Point
You yourself have seen that the nkjv is fake having misled you.

As i said keep falling and crying as you real eyes that you have nothing valid to say

MetalJigsaw:
Please can you clarify what the argument is.?

Seeing that Mathew 28:18 proves that Jesus is God in that God gave Him such an authority the jws are now desperately struggling to o find how they can undermine Mathew 28:18. hence all the various attempts to circumvent its implication.

AkinwaleJJ:
NO!
Paul said:
.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him". 1Corinthans 15:27

Off Point! We are talking Mathew 28 18, you are talking 1 Corinthians...

Secondly no where did I say that The Giver in Matthew 28:18 is subject to Receiver.

cornelboy:
You don't need anyone to tell you that the giver will always be greater than the receiver. It's a simple logic. The relationship between Joseph and Pharaoh in Egypt perfectly explains that!

Off Point.
I never said that the Giver is not Higher than the reciver.

Truthseeker10:
So you mean that "Created through him" makes the NKJV fake when the translation uses it, "Even at that", "Created through him" makes you Original when you use it?

Reargument/Repetition/Off Point.

As i said keep falling and crying as you real eyes that you have nothing valid to say

Truthseeker10:
You told me that the person stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God. So where and when did thw Father tell you that he Stepped back and Gave Jesus the Position that he had before?

Does Mathew 28:18 not say that Jesus was Given all His Power to be in the position of The Almighty God?
Then go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Truthseeker10:
So If Jesus has Always been Given All his Power before Matthew 28:18, When and How did the Father step back and and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

Go and ask the The Person Who gave Jesus All His Power in Mathew 28:18.

As i said, you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Truthseeker10:
Look at this funny man. How can you claim that a particular Phrase is wrong and use that same phrase in your own words and claim that the phrase is now correct?

Please tell me how the Nkjv is fake when it is the exact same words that you use and claim it is correct?

"when a thing is created through a Person it is the person who created it,"

Keep pretending like you do not understand the meaning of the rider "Even at that" preceding at the beginning of that statement.

As i said keep falling and crying as you real eyes that you have nothing valid to say

Truthseeker10:
So when Jesus was not yet GIVEN all His Power, he was not yet an Almighty God?

When was there a time that Jesus "was not yet GIVEN all His Power" to be The Almighty God? Anyway, that one is your own assignment and Off Point.

So, as i said you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Truthseeker10:
What is the meaning of what you wrote above. You claim the rendering of the Nkjv is fake by saying "created through him". Only for you to make the statement in bold below:

"when a thing is created through a Person it is the person who created it,"

So if your statement in bold above is correct, How is the Nkjv now fake?

Now because you do not have any reasonable thing to say you are now pretending like you have lost understanding most especially when i gave the rider "Even at that".

Now the air you were trying to clutch did not hold you, so keep on falling.

And it is even Off Point in addition, for you have already seen how the nkjv is fake. So go and cry about it

cornelboy:
The thread is about Trinity ser

That is not True.
Both the header and the first post all say Jesus is God. Nothing about trinity is in them.

As i said, you are controlled by your fixation

Truthseeker10:
So the translation is not correct, but you use the same wordings of the translation to teach and claim that your teaching is correct?

Clearly it is your new kjv and your jw bible translations that are not correct hence why I gave you the kjv translation which is correct and what i use to teach. Which is why you resorted to the fraud of using a sneaky argument of joining both the correct kjv translation with the fake translations to try to malign and undermine my answer since you could not find any way to fallt my answer.

So, you yourself have proven that I am correct, so, you do not have any reasonable thing to say

Truthseeker10:
Below is your statement.

"I know you are referring to Jesus's Father Who is generally known and reffered to as The Almighty God.

But, anyone paying close attention will see that from Genesis to Revelations,the bible points to Jesus as our God as His Father stepped back and gave Him that Position as shown in Matthew 28:18".

1)In your statement above, you claim the Father was known as the Almighty God.

Where in the bible before Mathew 28:18 did the Father step back and gave Jesus the Position of Almighty God?

2)If Jesus was Always an Almighty God, why would the Father need to step back and Give Jesus that Position?

1) First, Mathew 28:18 states that "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."

Therefore the question which answers your questions is for you to find out when Jesus was GIVEN all His Power, most especially as we also know that Jesus did not start existing from Matthew 1.

Truthseeker10:
If your point in bold above is correct, why would you claim that all other translations of the Bible apart from kjv is fake?

Because those other Bibles by their perversion and misnomer have caused you to be in error even below common sense which the bold has now corrected you on.

cornelboy:
No they didn't
They show Jesus as an agent of creation!
Creation was carried out THROUGH him by God Almighty who is the CREATOR.

That is why we say all other Bibles apart from Kjv are fake

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Even at that, you are just grasping at air for when a thing is created through a Person it is the person who created it, that is the creator exactly why carpenters are the creators of the furniture

Truthseeker10:
Below is Colossians 1:16.

New King James Version
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him

How can Jesus be the creator when things are Created through Him?

That is why we say all other Bibles apart from Kjv are fake

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Even at that, you are just grasping at air for when a thing is created through a Person it is the person who created it, that is the creator exactly why carpenters are the creators of the furniture

Truthseeker10:
But you said the Father stepped back in Matthew 28:18 and made Jesus Almighty God.

Now you have moved post from trinity to stepping back of which I did not say that the step back took place in Mathew 28:18 which Mathew 28:18 does not The Father stepped back but that The Father had already given Him The Authority to exercise Godship over us.

So, you off point.

You have nothing valid or reasonable to say

Truthseeker10:
Kindly show me Creator in those verses.

I believe that you can read my comments then you read "were created by him," is clearly written there.

Truthseeker10:
I never said were the Trinity doctrine.

Does the teaching of Trinity deny that Jesus was Almighty God before Matthew 28:18? Simple yes or no answer.

Trinity recognises that Jesus is The Almighty God Who was and is and is to come