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BrosG007:
Whether it is right or wrong is not the issue here, the issue is what's does a child knows or what's his or her conventions, intentions - no perspectives or ideologies to warrant baptism?

This is just one of the flaws of religion....truth every new born are born atheist.....his or her religion or ideologies are derived from his or her surroundings or family of birth

There is no flaw here for are you saying that a baby should be left alone to form his mind?

adebowales:
did bible support that is another question we need to ask

The Bible did not condemn it either

Alfred200825:
Is Child Dedication even Biblical?

It certainly is not against it

Reverseng:
Women are men's equal Complement.

Same way night complement morning, and breathing in complement breathing out.
It's balanced this way

All these was before you people cheated.

And unfortunately for you women, you were the first to cheat. And God has a thing for the first whether good or bad.

https://www.nairaland.com/8281391/god-thing-first-there-always#133098226

That is what lowered you people and since then you people have continued to behave like Eve

And lo, in the new world, there is no night and I can see that it is definitely much better than this one.

SpencerForbes:
Another folklore🥱 I’ll read it for Knowledge purpose. But I’ll mention you if I find any flaws😜

It already sounds like a folklore and even reading this one, there are too many threads to pull to tear it apart

TokoEkambi:
When you're sober, pls come and delete this load of bull you posted.

Tell him oo. He clearly cannot see that, that story is exactly like Tortoise folktales

ufotunang:
...a lot of temptation everywhere... you will see girls dressing half naked and seducing guys and even married men..it's just for one to have the fear of God, self discipline, integrity and self control to avoid all this temptation and fornication ..but how people nowadays have all this life qualities

Check it, inspite of it, we are still bigger and stronger than the temptations. However, because the world in beds in our minds everyday that we must fornicate, people are not aware that they have already subscribed to it. And so, all their over pressures and harassment raise pressure in us, which we add to the normal konji and then, we give up and fall saying "we can't hold body again"

Meanwhile, if we were aware, we could have destroyed their wicked pressure, in addition to all the other things we have and do to avoid it.

immortalcrown:
First of all, I saw this response after correcting the mistake I made in my response that you quoted here.

Read my comment again.

And you have not pointed out exactly what is wrong with infant baptism. Infant baptism would have been wrong if it qualifies the baby to start receiving the holy communion. The Bible does not in any way say that baptism should be for only adults. Jesus Christ invites everyone including babies. The Bible does not say that baptism must be accompanied by holy communion. So the Catholic does not go against the Bible in any way by practising or believing in infant baptism. What exactly is your point?

If you watch my tone you would see that I am not exactly attacking the practice of child baptism. And neither did I say it violates any Law in the bible.

But it does not directly violate a Law, it however, does not follow The Law but departs from it.

As you said Baptism and your holy communion are 2 separate matters in your church. So according to your church baptism is not about your holy communion.

However, I dispute in support of others that baptism means a person qualified to break bread with Christ and to eat the body and blood of Christ which your church technically calls your holy communion.

Which is what I stated above

immortalcrown:
In Pentecostal churches, baptism qualifies one to start receiving the holy communion. But in Catholic, baptism alone does not qualify one to start receiving the holy communion. This is why the arguement often takes place.

Baptism is a ritual performed to cleanse original sin and demonstrate Christian identity. Baptizing an infant is a way that parents give the baby Christian identity. The parents, by doing so, are saying, "We are laying a Christian foundation for our baby".

This is why a member of the Catholic Church who gets baptised at the age of 30 or 40 is the same as a baby that gets infant baptism in the same church. What makes the difference is confirmation which is done by only those who have become cognisant enough to differentiate sin from good and have promised to abstain from sin. Only the confirmed members of the Catholic Church receive the holy communion. It is called confirmation because the person does it to show that he or she has examined, understood and chosen the Christian foundation laid for him or her. The person by doing so is saying "I have confirmed that the Christian foundation laid for me or I laid for myself is right for me and I am dedicated to it".

And this why they will always argue against the Catholic view. For you have pointed out the purposes of baptism but you guys err on its application.

You have said that baptism does not mean that the baptized has promised to abstain from sin. Meanwhile, baptism naturally means that for all intents and purposes, the baptized intends to abstain from sin.

So, something is wrong when baptism does not cleaned.

Then, secondly, on original sin, the Catholic is wrong again for generally, no person can be liable for the offences committed by another. ("no liability without fault”,).

Thus, no one is liable for Adam's offences and no man inherited that.

So, I argue that a baby does not need baptism since he has not yet committed any offence.

Baptism is for people who have committed offences.

Of course. Polygamy is one of the pagan practices

You are the only one i am seeing ..

SpencerForbes:
I’ve seen lot of Christians narrate the story of Lilith to sound more knowledgeable. There are lot of things christians believe that we’re not recorded in the Bible.

I don't think such people are Christians. They are not even qualified to be called churchgoers

Questionnairae:
For example, "I will satisfy you with long life", but people die prematurely from accidents, diseases & even natural disasters.

Does it mean such people are not truly God's children..

Yes, that is what it means.

Or that if they were His people before, they have lost it.

God always fulfills His promises

immortalcrown:
This arguement goes on because people do not understand the meaning of purpose of baptism in the Catholic Church. I mention Catholic here because that is the denomination that is constantly criticised for infant baptism.

So, what is the purpose of baptism?

SpencerForbes:
...We can't rule out that his life was threatened or that thugs were involved. If she had truly stayed silent, he wouldn't have felt such an urgent need to flip the narrative. Clearly, there’s a lot happening behind the scenes that we aren't seeing. The idea that a man would swallow his pride and apologize just because of some online bashing or emotional trauma—especially after his initial plans failed—is total BS.

I don't think so. The lady was smart to not fan the fire but I don't think he was threatened..

SpencerForbes:
I definitely wish I was there.

. Enjoyment master! I have caught you. You would have finished the barrel like me.

gohf:
I have heard some argue that if a child wasn't baptized or holy water didn't touch the child, if the child died they would go to hell. ..

It is the guilty that are cast in prison, so what offences would a child be guilty of to be delivered to hel?

Even, ye ivu men acknowledge that a child under 7yrs is not criminally responsible. Child Rights Act/ Criminal Code

SpencerForbes:
Does the Bible actually say they only played Jewish songs at the wedding Jesus attended? Honestly, if that happened today, some Christians would probably be outraged that he turned water into wine. They’d likely even accuse him of leading people into sin, especially since a few people at that party almost certainly had one too many.

With that sweet wine, meen.

ManknowThyself:
You too your day is blessed man

Thanks man

SpencerForbes:
When you talk about 'underground actions,' have you considered that he might have been blackmailed or threatened? As a Nigerian, you surely know how common it is for witnesses to be intimidated to keep the truth hidden.

We might joke about stuff like this in private, but seeing it go public like this especially online is rare. Why her, specifically? There are countless pre-wedding photos all over Nairaland and social media every day, yet nobody makes these kinds of claims about those couples. Do you really think men are just moving senselessly?

Even the Bible says a matter is established by two or more witnesses. When three different men can pinpoint the exact locations and hotel names, calling it a coincidence feels like a reach. The fact that she’s stayed quiet while he’s desperate to debunk it tells a story of its own. We’re not that ignorant.

It is he who can blackmail her which he already lost since he already exposed it.

So, I just think that his senses returned later when he real eyesed that it was not his intention to destroy the lady, hence his somersault and recant

cutecommend:
If you are a genuine child of God; I don't mean noisy christians who think they are spiritual or anointed; I don't mean regular and committed church goers who are empty but can "vibrate"; I don't mean worldly christians who can pray "fireful" prayers; I don't mean backsliders. No genuine child of God plays worldly music in their wedding ceremony. They jubiliate and celebrate as it pleases God, not as the flesh wants it. They are under God's government.

This is not True!

.Joy and dancing and laughter and happiness are the fruits of the spirit. And a wedding day is one of the days that calls for such activities.

So, yes, there rubbish songs especially in today's world, however there was many sweet and lovely music that heat up the occasion and make you remember that day as one of the many days God had made a sweet and memorious day for you

ManknowThyself:
When you guide the intuitions with divine direction, you never fail. Clarity forbids pride, ego and emotions. All needs is humility, realness, kindness, respect, discipline and fear of God.

Have never failed with my clarity from God, even in land of failures my clarity is always successful.

All it takes is God!!!!!!!

Ok, then, have a great day

SpencerForbes:
He claimed she was a retired sex worker, but it wasn't just some personal vendetta. He made it clear he had the receipts, and he wasn't alone—several other men came forward to confirm they knew her too. It's hard to believe multiple people would just make up such a serious allegation for no reason. Honestly, you don’t usually see three or more men joking around with an accusation that heavy if there's nothing to it.

First he did not say so, he only implied it. Then secondly, his claim of receipts is to make him more believable, (which was accomplished).

But after that, by whatever underground action, he has lowered his guns. And that is good too.

ManknowThyself:
When you are authentic to who you are not what you are, real intuition exposes all.

When you role with what you are: that's pride and it performance to keep the ego. It will drain and destroy your emi.

When you role with who you are: that's authentication of your soul, you easily read people and energies.
Most times I pretend to be a fool for people to think they are smart around me but when the clarity exposes them they call me dangerous.

Intelligence is when you understand something and pretend to be fool of it.

My silence is golden, that's why I'm calm , listen more and talkless around fake people.
I only talk when necessary except around people I know truly care about me.

I understand, but... Yourself can fail you ooo and it will fail you. Remember, you are not the first to do this

SpencerForbes:
It’s crazy how so many Christians bought into that story just to flex their intelligence, while ironically showing a lot of ignorance in the process.

Do you mean that some church people believed the crap about Lilith?

BigYash:
Shut up. Someone won't just come out to make such statements,if it wasn't true. But what I don't know is why was it his business. Since the man who wants to marry her, couldn't investigate her well,then let him suffer for his stupidity. I will never pay bride price for public sperm bank or sperm gubleer.

The guy needed to apologize, because of witch hunt. Cux after all,what's his gain trying to save the moomoo groom

No. The just had a diarrhoea of the mouth

SpencerForbes:
Why would I? I'm not the type to just go back on my word, especially when I actually have the proof. I wouldn't make an accusation that serious if I didn't have the evidence to back it up.

He actually was not making an accusation and really, is it that he planned to ruin her based on vendetta? No.

So, he has to flip. Men are not that wicked

Silentgroper:
Good observation...
.. they had enough time to get a grip on the thread...

Odebayo4010:
Men, there are 4 women you must avoid if you want peace in your life. 1. A woman who disrespects you. 2. A financial vampire and parasite. 3. An angry and bitter woman. 4. A single mother. Avoid them all.

When you say avoid what do you mean? Is it as per marriage or for chooku chooku?

Silentgroper:
There is something called ignore , isn't it??

Yes, but... its wrong that it is men who have dominated it. Anyway, the women were not even talking at all as the thread has run for 3dsys

SpencerForbes:
Exactly. You don't just drop allegations like that and then try to flip the script once people start asking questions. It’s pretty clear there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than what we’re being told.

If it is you, won't you flip it?

Kobojunkie:
This is pure wickedness! That lady should sue him and all the oth,ers, abeg! Make them each have to take out a page in a National Newspaper to broadcast their apology to all eyes.

For what? Oyibo don brein launder you finis