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Another rubbish post from Christ hater.

If you are the one who created a phone, is there any illusion or confusion about it?

No!

So, you see, you are a fullll

Antichristian2:
[/b]So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.[/b] Numbers 31:17-18..

This one was Moses solution when he saw that the soldiers disobeyed God's Command.

And 2, every society has capital offences. So, what is the big deal?

Not talk of your Islam that goes unprovoked to other people's lands to murder and kil them.

You people are still the devus while God of Jacob is really really good as His killing is like what Nigerian army needs to do to bandits and kidnappers.

vdestro:
Did I not say he is mentali notsound but you said make we give am chance. See am?

Hmmm. The guy don fall my hand be dat

If na me create phone den I be the god of the phone

Devu,
Did you not say the same rubbish in this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8577099/god-spirit-why-religions-give#137727967

Where did you see God that you know that He is formless?

Theawakensoul:
One of the most important questions in spirituality, philosophy, and even psychology is this:
If God is infinite, formless, and beyond human limitation, why do almost all religions describe God with human traits?
Human emotions.
Human anger.
Human jealousy.
Human favoritism.
Human rules.
Human punishments.
Human rewards.
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And shall
"He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?"

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣 is it a crime to not know how one existed?

Since you have depth in philosophy, have you ever heard or seen a court judgement of everlasting torment in hell fire?

What else I life imprisonment especially if you have forever life?

Chidolalar:
..U just contradicted yourself about God giving humans Free Will when he already knows d outcome right from d beginning he created humans

An examiner knows the outcome of an exam but did that affect the freewill of the students writing the exam?
No

So, freewiil is freewill whether God knows the outcome or not

richmond500:
1. Children and infants in the Flood
Genesis 7:21–23

Tell us, when you heard that bombs were dropped on bandits and kidnappers camp, did think it was wrong?

Secondly, if your wife cheated on you and got pregnant for the other guy, did you drive away your wife but kept the innocent child?

jaephoenix:
Anybody can assume anything on Nairaland

Only mentalli lazy people make this kind of assumption

Roycemadeit:
Paul framing sin as an internal, almost autonomous force, and the division between flesh and mind, reflects theological assumptions rather than observable mechanisms. In Romans 7, sin is portrayed as a separate entity dwelling within humans, compelling them to act against moral awareness. Modern psychology and neuroscience suggest otherwise.


Moral failure usually arises from the interaction of impulses, habits, cognitive biases, and environmental pressures, rather than an independent force acting within the body.


Cross-cultural evidence supports this. Confucianism emphasises moral cultivation through education and habit, not inherited sin. African and indigenous systems view wrongdoing as a result of lack of guidance or social disharmony. Neuroscience shows self-control and moral reasoning rely on integrated brain processes, not a battle between flesh and mind.
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Moral failure is better explained by psychological, social, and environmental factors than by a metaphysical force.

I think what both of you fall to understand is that sin simply means wrong doing.

And what causes sin are
1) the normal sociological part of doing what pleases them regardless of if someone is hurt or wounded by their actions.

2) for Christians and those interested in spiritual studies, the cause of sin is deeper and pointing at spiritual entities which influence our conducts when we are not watchful. And an example of this, is where that statement comes in which people day, "the devil made me do it'. Which is what Paul

Roycemadeit:
It is interesting how you speak with such confidence, as if you know what I believe or what I am thinking. That assumption is the problem. You do not know, yet you claim certainty.

This is why humans should seek knowledge rather than rely on assumption or belief. To know requires understanding, not projection.

If you were not doing something more than asking a question then why did you add your misunderstanding of those passages and made it hot?

iramure:
Yes because you are a religious person!

Still Off Point. If you think it is important, then open a thread and mention me. I would answer

DrFavvy:
I love this OP. You're amazing!

HOlosho Husband thief spotted

No difference between u n say tan

Roycemadeit:
What if a rapist acted under divine permission, as troubling examples appear in scripture, like when virgins were taken as spoils of war, or when David took another man’s wife and yet was called a man after God’s own heart?

Acting under orders is not a defence to an offence. The rapist still remains guilty like the Muslim who was still found guilty and of raping his wife, even Islam permits him

Also, David was held guilty and severely punished for his sins and he was called a man after God's heart only in his early days when he did no sins.

Jacob too was punished. That is why it took 14years of intense and hard labour for him to prosper and still on top of this, he too got defrauded as The Law says, what you do another shall be done to you. An eye for an eye.

This was completely unnecessary as your question was clear. You are just to derail the debate cos you already know that you are wrong and talking rubbish

iramure:
Nomy question is has being a Christian ever stopped calamities from happening? Your pastors performing mighty miracles, healing the sick, waking the dead, opening blind eyes, have they not recorded worse calamities in their lives. Oga, religion is a disease!

This is Off Point.

JooEeL:
Bring proof of hell, I will believe you on the spot.

Just one proof. If I no follow this ur belief, make your God destroy my life, finish me.

I know u may say just have faith and all that. But if u give me proof, why I no go believe am?

People's shaking terror, repentance and desperate prayers when they are dying is the proof. I don't care for you to believe or not. But the proof is where the doctor says "we have no choice but to carry out the operation" . Ehen or when una dey inside plane wey won crash. Like this one.https://www.nairaland.com/8580910/flybird-airlines-private-jet-crash-lands

See repentance.

cathodekazim:
Each time I watch Mayday air crash investigation program on YouTube, I sometimes imagine my enemy in some of these flights. Most aircrashes are caused by human errors especially pilot errors. The deadliest aviation crash till date was the Tenerife airport incident in 1977. So emotional to watch. Two big planes colliding with themselves on the same run way

I am wont to disagree. Flying is already a human error as you would even note that they say take off and landing are the most dangerous parts in flying.

I believe, this is the lie they tell so that customers won't ruin the aviation business because of fear since they are pretending to be in full control

DeepSight:
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Goodnight.

How can you say good night when you have done me this evil?

If you truly want me to have a good night then answer the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

vdestro:
No problem. But you will see that, that is why we do not fear death for we know "we shall not die ...".

So we are only going to sleep and not to death.

Death is not for us.

We shall awake to the Kingdom of God.

Amen.

vdestro:
Funny I was even speaking to someone else. But I know say the thread dey pain am well well.

Yes ooo. One of the the most painful news that can be given to an atheist

DeepSight:
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Forget it man. The topic is over.

Lie lie!
This is great wickedness.
It will only be over when it comes to reasonable and just landing.

You with your whole heart and soul made this very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So it needs be cleared by you answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

thinkmoney:
That fire at the alter [b]symbolized the presence of God [/b]and shows that the priests and by extension are always ready to offer sacrifices to him.

Importantly however is that our God is ‘Love’, he is not a manipulator or a gaslighter. He wants us to serve him out of LOVE and not because of some FEAR of some HELL.
What’s more? The idea of burning people in fire is repulsive to God. He punished nations including some Israelites that burnt their children in fire for the idol Molech.

The unadulterated truth of the Bible is important. Study to show thy self approved.

Now you are trying to shift the post and derail the argument now that you see that your basis wrong

For, first, you just hurriedly manufactured the "symbolized the presence of God" as you forgot that the cloud by day and fire by night was the symbolic presence of God.

Then you resorted to the fallacy of ad baculum when there wasn't anything manipulative in my response. I only pointed out the connection in reference to the topic, which you could not deny.

So, now, you ran away from addressing my response and switched our positions of the argument and then you now went on to present your own belief on it, which is hinged on the fact that God was against pagan practices that included the murder of children via fire, you then overstretched beyond all reasonable reasons to mean that God would never burn people by fire, even when they are guilty of it.

That clearly is rubbish, for again you forget that He burned down Sodom and Gomorrah and it's sinfilled people with FIRE!

So, you see, yet again you are wrong.

vdestro:
That atheist guy says you are me, so I come dey wonder when you turn woman

Why, have you been beating him silly?

vdestro:
So Dtruthspeaker is a woman? I didn't know that?

Ahan, wetin happen? Who won tiff my stick? I don't even think I spoke on this thread

jaephoenix:
Dtruthspeaker,have you been banned again

Vdestro too is me?

Yes I was banned earlier but I have been talking to deepsight since.

DeepSight:
Gbagbe e. Moti sare lo
Forget it, I have run away.

No, you cannot do this wicked wickedness and run oo.

You have made a very deathly accusation to which you are saying that you are different.

So clear the air and answer the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

That is if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

DeepSight:
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Its okay. I have run since you have successfully pointed out that I am wrong. Since you have established that your God indeed said no mind can imagine the torture he has in store for those who hate him. Since you are right that Jesus never said pray for your enemies. I have run oh, as the coward that I am, I am happy to run. It is not my work to defend your God afterall.

If you truly believe you are right then why hit below the belt? Did I say "no mind can imagine the torture"?

Secondly and most importantly, why do you not answer the question I asked whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?

For even Jesus, the same One Whom you cited saying "love your enemies", Himself came back with anger and with armies and a Sword against His enemies.

So, you are better than all of us, vengeful people

So, i need to know what is the good to be done

And your answering the question whether you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your enemies where you have good and wonderful thoughts and plans for your loved ones?[/b] will lead the way.

So, for instance, if robbers had stolen your things, raped and killed your loved ones, you would in love invite them to your house for a lunch or dinner or stay over and never report to the police but quietly bury your loved ones and give handkerchief to your raped loved one?

GodPunishOsu:
Ask the werey to uncreate me.

Since dis one, you won do ojoro die. He kukuma know say d better puneesh you need ma for you to continue to live in your pain and suffering. And more pain and suffering go add on top till you ma. D di3

thinkmoney:
Do you really want to learn and know what GOD REALLY SAYS, or even you want to spread falsehood? I have come to see that truth unadulterated, is really important for everyone’s REAL SALVATION,
The fire in Leviticus is the fire at the Altar [not some hell fire or fire for punishment] that the priest were commanded to keep burning perpetually. And this fire is even for a good reason.
Now you may ask, what about other places where He’ll or Hellfire were mentioned?
*I tell you that we have a lot of bibles that have been poorly translated. Most bibles we have today, including the KJV, use “Hell or Hellfire” as translation for 3 words mentioned in the Bible; these words are, Sheol, Hades and Gehenna. While Sheol and Hades meant the same thing -Hades being the Greek equivalent of Sheol, Gehenna meant different thing entirely.
*. Those three words should never have one English word to interpret them. They are different terms, and mean different things.
*non of them way back then denote a fiery place we’re somebody is roasted forever and ever. David was said to be in Hell (Sheol was the real word). Jesus too went to Hell ( translated from Hades). Are these two righteous men supposed to go to Hellfire/fire?
In fact, all humans will go to Sheol/Hades eventually. I will explain this so you ease up that frown on your face. The fact is that many Bible translators didn’t just do a poor job at translating, some were even mischievous. They choose at different places in the Bible how to translate Sheol/Hades. They chose to translate it as Hell in some places while at other places they translate it as grave.

"By Doubting, we are led to Questioning. By Questioning, we arrive at The Truth"

Plus, learning goes 2 ways.

And here you are also resisting my assertion hence this debate.

Therefore, moving on, everyone knows that I referred to the fire at the Altar that never quenches and the most important part is that you have fallen into what I was hinting at were you are admitted that it is "there for a good reason".

But , clearly you have not found the reason else you would have presented.

And thus, it is you who does not want to see and accept that the reason that fire is there is that God was giving us the first Hint of what we the world is taking about today which is that near His Throne (Ark) there is also everlasting fire.

Which as God reveals and Fulfills His Plans has cumulated to the great fear men have for death.

So, as I said before it is not about the words and meanings and histories and bible versions and translations. But about the spirit surrounding the idea of an information which is proven by the great fear and terror people experience when they hear the word hellfire or hell. The whole world understands that, is a very very bad place no one wants to go into.

And that is why your opinion is wrong and does not stand

vdestro:
Dead here is used generally to indicate passing on.

For you would see that Jesus uses sleep to indicate the type of passing on (or death which is more commonly used for when a person leaves earth) for his beloved.

So obviously they who die in (otherwords sleep in) Christ are not going to the prison of death but going to sleep.

And of course with that understanding not all will taste of death because not all will die ( be held by death) but surely all shall pass on.

So for they who sleep surely they shall see God's Kingdom hence Jesus's statement.

Hmmm! I see you have Lazarus and Jarius daughter and all the righteous in mind for this meanwhile I am not sure He used sleep for unrighteous people. Let me check