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LordReed:
You are the one lying. Name the fallacy, you can't because I didn't make one but I named the one you made.

Again another lie. Everybody does not know about hell since not everyone has heard about it. Many people in India and China have never heard about it. Even if they have it doesn't make it real. Many people have also heard about Superman therefore Superman is real. Its a stupid argument.

Hell is not real and therefore there is no reason to fear it. If you disagree then the onus is on you to provide evidence that it is real.

The word "Fallacy" is clear enough. fallacy Noun: 'a failure in reasoning which renders an argument invalid."

And I have already pointed out the failure of your reasoning which is why you are making all these mad noises.

And see how you are Lying openly like Satan. (Obviously, Satan has restarted his torment of jacking your strings)

In India, Naraka (Sanskrit: नरक), also called Yamaloka, is the Hindu equivalent of Hell, where sinners are tormented after death.

In China, hell is
Diyu (traditional Chinese: 地獄; simplified Chinese: 地狱; pinyin: dìyù; lit. 'earth prison') is the realm of the dead or "hell" in Chinese

SO THEY KNOW ABOUT HELL! SO YOU ARE LYING

And knowing you are Lying you decided to speak like a mad person in talking left and right at the same time, saying one time "they never heard about it", only to immediately cancel it by saying "Even if they have".

Satan has obviously return to you and entered you so your Madness and Lyings have begun.

AcrossTheEarth:
Who are you and who do you think you're talking to? Go to hell. This is why I hate Nairaland. Somebody cannot leave their reply on a thread in peace. Any nobody will just quote your post to talk shit.

See how you are proving my words true. You are looking for people to make life easy, sweet and convenient for you and this is why you like lies and watered down Truths and therefore you avoid people who tell you the painfull pure truth.

And this is where Nairaland is good because there would always be someone to tell you the Truth even if you hate Truth.

JustPowerApps:
Nah those strange marine kingdom women sweet pass

At the beginning...

AcrossTheEarth:
As your girlfriend, she could've been more gentle with her delivery. Telling you your breath isn't good and to work on it seems a bit demeaning. She could've been kinder with her words, and could've given you a new toothbrush, toothpaste and deodorant to help you out and let you know she means well. That said, if her delivery was harsh, her intention probably wasn't to hurt your feelings. Her avoiding you when you sit and sniffing your clothes are insensitive, however, but perhaps the smell was that unpleasant. Well, try not to take offence. Simply use this as an opportunity to start taking your mouth and body hygiene seriously.

That is why everyone lies to you and you like it.

LordReed:
You stop your nonsense, you pointed out no fallacy except to shout fallacy like a mad man.

LoLz! You are capping nonsense. Not everybody knows about hell.

It is about proof that hell is real since you claim it is. You cannot provide evidence it is real because it isn't, simple.

Everyone knows a fallacy prima facie.

Everyone knows about hell hence they have reacted and are reacting to it.

This thread does not ask proof of hell as the header clearly says, so, you are Lying.

Lukuluku69:
Mother and Child unlawful?

Lol

Don't you think Jehovah is an Idiote for blessing an unlawful Union while the Legit remained unblessed?

Jehovah even Said He will multiply him.

Lol

Now you are resorting to blasphemy because you see you still do not have any reasonable counter to give.

I have already pointed out that God blessed even the wicked, so blessing is nothing to God. So, stop repeating yourself, you still have nothing.

Lukuluku69:
Padre, Ishmael was casted out because his mother was an house girl but Jehovah made some Tribes out of Rachel and Leah house girls? Abi?

Lol

I don't really blame you since you can't see thru the fact that the Jewish scribes played you but I blame you because you remain blind and deaf to sound reasoning.

Repeating yourself is proof you do not have any counter to give

Lukuluku69:
The Governor analogy is asinine to say the least. Can a One day Governor make political or economic decisions binding on the state?

Aside this "one day" off point and irrelevant counter, is Sanwaolu governor for one day? No.

Please, you really do not have any valid counter to give.

Lukuluku69:
Hagar had a child for Abraham and Yahweh clearly called him Abraham's son!

How blind can you guys be!

Stop changing the argument, no one said Hagar did not have a child from Abraham but the issue is the mother and child were unlawful so and God rejected them

So, again you you are the one being blind and refusing to see what is right in front of you which you are not able to reasonably refute, hence your attempt at changing the argument and repetition.

So you really have nothing to say because, "There is no valid argument against the Truth"!

jaephoenix:
We have seen those threats carried out. The threats of eternal damnation has no evidence

So also do we see the super great fear you over guilty people have for it, which is why you people are always trying to stop people from reminding you of it, even though you have not yet gone there.

FayaBall:
No mind the guy, he just looking for how to advertise his stupidity!

You can say it again!

LordReed:
LoLz you shout fallacious yet you are the one being fallacious. You make a false equivalence then try to pin it on me.

Hell is not real. If it is, produce evidence of it.

Stop all these stupid arguments Na. You already know that I used your fallacy to point out your fallacy and its fallsness.

Secondly, one proof of hell is in that fact everyone everywhere knows about it and those qualified to be in it are super greatly afraid of it to the point that many wish it is not real or create delusions about it or live denying it

But this question is off point as the topic is not about proof of hell.

Lukuluku69:
Following God's Law is not a Personal matter! It is a Collective matter. It is a lifelong matter for we are to do God's will on earth.

I will suggest you do a re-read of the Old Testament to understand better. It is not a personal thing but a Collective one by the State for that is Truly what is meant by The Kingdom of God.

A State that upholds God Laws only while believing in Him.

The whole world was there but it was the person of Abraham whom God dealt with. Same for his sons.

Same for Obed Edom even though the Ark was in Isreal.

And the Bible clearly said it "if any/ if you .. " and not "if everybody or if all".

So it is personal!

AntiChristian:
Which KJV no get error?

You dey quote devil JW "Awake"?

Jws wey dem be occult and no be Christian? Find better thing talk Na.

Lukuluku69:
Your mind is closed on Ishmael and her mother. Your Bible states clearly " to be his wife" but you refused to see that rather
reading your own meaning to it.

"To be his wife" Is not the same as "is his wife". Seyi Tinubu's mother can give him to Sanwaolu "to be the governor" of Lagos State, but does that make him governor of Lagos State? No.
Please, find something reasonable and valid to say.

Lukuluku69:
Jehovah that made Sarah barren for Decades readily blessed Hagar and an Angel of God gave the name the child would be called ISHMAEL meaning God Heard. Meaning God Heard Abraham's prayers for an Heir. Yet you are insinuating that he is an illegitimate.
Jacob already had two wives yet the wives added their handmaiden and altogether they had 13/14 Children with Jehovah making a Tribe from the Male children's Line. Because you have been programmed to hate on Ishmael, you see nothing wrong with the second scenario. There was no adultery, no illegitimate child because they are the progenitor of your man-god. It is according to your God's plan.

You have said all these before and I have countered them, so these are invalid and off point and repetitive arguments. So you have nothing here

Lukuluku69:
Show me where Abraham paid bride price or dowry for Sarah too while at it!

Can you see your blindness?

The Bible clearly declared her not even once or twice as Abram"s wife.

Abraham clearly and publicly confirms and represented that indeed Sarah is his wife, even twice.

No where do you see Abraham say Haggai was his wife nor did she even live with him as a wife does nor was she buried by his side.

She was rather casted out like a house girl that she even is!

And you see all these, so you are the one being blind refusing to see what is right in front of you and what is beating you even on your body

Lukuluku69:
Padre, I have read it more times than you would imagine and you Christians don't follow any of it.

You cherry pick the one to follow and what's more a certain Paul called God's Law a Curse and you all believed him.

Even Isreal did not follow it though Abraham did. So following it is a personal matter exactly how condemnation is still a personal matter.

And those who are Cursed, see they are Cursed which is why many keep trying to find and pray and seek solutions to all their curses

Abrahamweb:
Let me just give you one example.
The fall of Jericho.
You mean to tell me that God didn't know that if the Israelites left,other people will settle their?
Or he can lead the Israelites to a new land and make it flow with gold,milk and honey?
He just decided to kill and buried an entire country because they settled on a land that God didn't bother to warn them to leave that he has gifted that land to his people?
You can deceive yourself that he is God and can do anything but e cannot do little things to avoid destroying innocent people.

Why must He do that, when He even hated them?

And secondly, do you not know that it is His Land? So if squatters occupy your land you would go looking for another one?

Or as bandits have made homes in the bushes, why do you rejoice when army bombs them out? Please, you do not have any valid thing to say

Baldwretch:
The Jews entered the Promised Land through warfare and would almost certainly expand by the same act. It seems logical then to infer that God's tool of propagating the Torah and himself (by implication) is a very effective strategy at the time - warfare. Conversion happens by force, not by some flowery words. Preaching to conquered territories would come naturally. They wouldn't have to be instructed to do it. After all, the nation that propagates the ideas of its God and its religion is not the one that is commanded by its holy books to do so, but the one that succeeds quite well in the act of warfare. That should be quite obvious.

Fighting wars in ancient times is almost inevitable. There would always be reasons to fight. And the more successful you are in the battlefield, the more likely you are to proselytize people and get nations to your God. God already promised and guaranteed victory to the Jewish nations if they obeyed his laws, so it is not true at all that Moses was sent to only Israel and not to the world at large. If God was going to give them a Land through wars, he would almost certainly keep them and expand their territories through the same act. It seems it's only a matter of time before subjugated nations and people worship the one true God even though they would not willingly worship initially..

God does not have to spell out an obvious truth (in the Torah) on how he was going to use the Jews to draw mankind to himself after giving the Law. If the Jews expanded and conquered territories, wouldn't people be forced to accept their religion?.

You are mixing things up.

The Wiping of Canaan was a necessary show of God to reclaim what He had lost to His world taken up by pagans.

So this was Him beginning His establishment of the claim of the earth. For how can He Say He owns the world and yet He does not have even 1 territory in it.

So, taking lands from the pagan world was the first step.

And as you see after He started moving, the whole world feared His chosen land and people called Isreal.

And if they had done His will, what you people are doing in running to Europe and America and elsewhere, is what the world would have been doing in running to Isreal or would have been aligning with Isreal and seeing them as UN because of the way God would have super blessed and prospered them.

And this is where you see that was the same plan which Satan has hijacked and raised up his own places where people are all running to and shouting saying "this is heaven" as they obey all that they command.

All these was supposed to be Isreal and not UK, Canada, Us etc

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Padre, what is God's Law against Theft, Murder, Trade as contained in the Torah and what is obtainable in most space occupied by Christians?

What does it says about Lesbianism, Sodomy and even copulating with Animals and what is obtainable in Christian space?

What about Adultery? What does the Torah says and what do you Christians prescribe or apply?

You obviously have never read the Commandments!

jaephoenix:
Again, I don't have omniscient power. Yhwh does

Again I have shown you the things and places where your omniscient power is exercised, yet, and you like everyone else you to took the risk and plunge as people have said "no risk, no glowry".

So, you ought to understand that God did the same!

Lukuluku69:
You don't argue with someone whose mind is already made up.

I quoted a verse from the Bible that says Hagar was WIFE to Abraham and you called their offspring an illegitimate while I point you to a similar situation with Rachel and Leah but you accept that as legitimate.

Your mind is made up regardless of whatever I post. So, why should I continue?

I took out time to point out the clear differences between the 2 cases in the Law for, sin (crime/offence) legitimacy and illegitimacy are all matters of Law, which I have already presented.

And what you quoted about Haggai was

Lukuluku69:

nd Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.

And not that she was his wife under God and Law

And no where do you see Abraham go to her family or whatever to pay bride price and perform a valid lawfull marriage to her.

So all this is clearly, Sarah's wish and Sarah's wish is not Law!

Lukuluku69:
Then it means ALL of you are Liars and Sinners because I have never seen nor Heard of any Christian that appeals to God's Law as contained in the Bible to judge between them. None!

Rather you will be quoting Man made Laws. You just did some moments ago!

Again you are wrong in saying this for almost every church goer and Christian pleads the Bible even when they are not aware that all of The Laws they plead are contained in The Laws and Judgements God gave Moses to give the world.

And 90% of manmade laws come from God's Laws called Natural Law which is why I used the manmade one as an example to primarily show you that man recognised them and had taken them up and pronouncing many of them laws in their powerless documents called constitutions and acts.

AntiChristian:
All these are your personal statements. No evidences! If the Torah is for all ages then it would have been well preserved without copyist errors! Also there won't be a need for your new testament.

The Bible Said a king should copy the Commandments (history of Constitutions) and it should be read out And KJV shows it was duly preserved with no errors!

Lukuluku69:
Don't mind the Dolt, the Torah is for All Mankind for all ages yet it was abolished some 2,000+ years ago when God came to offer Himself to Himself in order to forgive Adam and Eve transgression in the Garden?

Ask this people to apply just One out of the many Laws Jehovah dictated to Moses in their lives they will start saying nonsense yet here we have a Retard saying it is for all Mankind and ages.

Even the Jews don't apply the ordinance of God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob again but a random retard on Nairaland is saying otherwise.

Orisirisi something.

It is Liars and sinners and those who do not read the Bible who say it is abolished despite the very clear Words of Christ Who directly Said even from the beginning of His Talk "I came not to abolish but to full fill."

Queengee:
When I was young used to be very scared of hell especially when in church and the preacher narrated the horrors of hell, but now things have changed . I don't know maybe because eyes has seen many things in three decades of my existence, really don't get scared of hell fire anymore , anytime someone or pastors talk about it it sounds like every other takes to me, I think something is wrong with me, does anyone here now feel the same way ? Men of God in the house please how can I go back to my former self and start believing hell is real

Your delusion is complete is why.

No one can wake a person pretending to sleep!

LordReed:
Because it isn't real and just a psychological trick to keep you invested in the religion. Islam has the threat of killing you, Christianity has the threat of hell, all in a bid to make sure you don't leave.

What a fallacious response.

So as govt have the threat of throwing you in prison, or your boss has the threat of sacking you, they are not real, right?

Lukuluku69:
Counter?

Sometimes you just let some delusions and delusional thinking be. Do you know why? Because they are Blind, Deaf and Dumb.

Keep the Faith.

That is not true. You have been countering since but you have nothing reasonable to counter so you are just trying to leave with your dignity. Which is very much ok.

If you truly have a counter and your counter is valid and holds firm, drop it. In return, I will declare you are right.

Truth springs from argument amongst friends and enemies Anonymous

Is it now he is seeing this? Something wey don dey pass go. What a funny man.

Lukuluku69:
It is no use.

Of course the Bible shows that David did not do any wrong thing before God came and chose him king in replacement of Saul neither is there any reasonable counter anybody can bring to this.

Lukuluku69:
Devoid of any sensible take. This response.

But your Jehovah Said He Will bless this Ishmael who according to you came from Adultery.

You want me to quote Jehovah for you concerning Ishmael?

There isn't any reasonable counter you can give.

And secondly, do we not all know that God had to bless Ishmael because He must keep His Word to Abraham?

And besides the fact that the wicked prosper is proof that blessing the sinner is not a problem to/ for God. So did He bless Esau and Canaan and Egypt but that did not make them acceptable to Him and stop their final destruction.

Lukuluku69:
Do you normally read your responses to posts before you hit on the submit button?

And must you use the word "Rubbish" in your response?

Moses killed a man before God called him.

Abraham married his own sister according to your Bible.

We read of David's story before Jehovah begot him?

So, what dross are you yarning?

I said rubbish to indicate that what you said is absolutely wrong.

Moses killed to save another as was explained in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8245908/thou-shall-not-killdoes-judgement/1#133490013 eg

"Section 32(3) of the Criminal Code provides,
Inter alia:
A person is not criminally responsible for an act or
omission if he does or omits to do the act… when the
act is reasonably necessary in order to resist actual
and unlawful violence threatened to him or to another person in his presence

Correction, half sister. And even at that Abraham was already married before God came and at a time he there was no Law that Said that he could not marry his sister.(Nullum crimen sine lege) eg Section 36 (12) of 99 constitution
"a person cannot be convicted of a criminal offense for an act or omission that was not an offense at the time it took place."

I don't know what you read o on David but what sin did David commit before God came and chose him king in replacement of Saul?

Lukuluku69:
And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
-- Genesis 16:3
KJV Holy Bible

The above is from your Bible.

You people consider Rachel and Leah Handmaiden Children with Jacob as legitimates but not so Ishmael?

Continue but know that you will account for every words you utter in your journey here on earth.

Lawfull according to God!

And this is where you see God is Law and whatsoever He Approves, stands Lawful and whatsoever He rejects becomes unlawful.

So as God accepted the erstwhile children of Leah and Rachel, so does it stand Lawful, especially given the fact that we see Satan has already inter-fared with God's Plans of a holy family with Jacob being hooked to Rachel instead of Leah.

So, the contention between the 2 sisters is understandable (force majore) and none of them intended committing adultery, so no sin was done exactly the same Defence of Law Abraham had which is the defence of not my will aka lack of mens rea.

That is why the 2 cases do not have the same judgement.

And look at Satan's pattern, women and females are key to the implementation of his evil plans.

First, he got Eve, the woman of all women and he used her and till the world ends, man is tumbling under that destruction, there by destroying God's original Plan of a Holy Family.

Next we see Sarah and Haggai, Satan again uses them to again spoil God's Plan of raising a holy family a second time.

Then we see Rachel whom we see Satan uses to distract Jacob with her beauty blocking him from seeing Leah whom God had pointed and set for him to the point that he did not see God's Hand and sign through Laban's action, thereby again ruining God's Plan of a holy family a third time.

So, from these it is apparent that Satan has made a claim and stake on women which is why God has claimed men and has distanced Himself from women

dollypi:
Good. Keep your delusions to yourself.

Says the one who could not read nor make any reasonable counter, nor ask any reasonable question. Clearly, you are the queen of delusions as women are even known to be