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LordReed:
In principle I agree but what I find is some seize these words to validate their positions which are demonstrably untrue.

I just wish there was a better way to express this.

If he had stuck to this point and Truth of "There are levels to truth
But not all levels cancel each other out." he would have been right for they are True.

But he made the mistake of trying to say that "Certainty Is a Barrier To Truth" and that is a Big Lie.

So, someone should come and explain how you say Real Madrid (Job) is the best football team yet, you won't let them play football to prove it?

And since God was very confident on job and about job is He not supposed to answer Satan's challenge?

If He did not answer the challenge, even you people will join satan to call God, "fear, fear!". So God had to answer the challenge, which He did

And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

And what was Satan's power?
We see the disasters that fell on job's farms, servants, sheeps and children, according to the rules of the competition.

Yet job did not cross into evil.

And then after that, satan replies exactly how opponents do "Rubbish you could say that since you haven't..."


Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?.. meaning satan has tried several times to hit Job's house, himself and everything, yet he failed .

In case you don't have dictionary
Hedge - a means of protection.

So, how can anyone misunderstand this? Even satan did not misunderstand it, he just used it to raise a challenge and a competition.

And since when did challenge and competition become a bad thing?
Is it not by them that we know that a person is Truly the best?

Everyday, someone is always boasting about somebody they know who they esteem very highly that they brag about them happily.

For example someone says "have you seen Messi that he is the greatest footballer?"
Re: Mikel Obi: Lionel Messi Is The Greatest Footballer In The World by
Gisthoodng(op): 6:13am On Sep 13, 2018

olufalaye: 6:30am On Sep 13, 2018
Rubbish he could say that since he hasn't played against Ronaldo.

For me Ronaldo is the greatest footballer of all time
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Same thing for Tupac vs Biggie, Davido bs Whiz kid, etc

Everyday, boasting takes place yet people find it difficult understanding Job. How is this even possible?

Are these not the same thing people say everyday?

And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

In case you don't have a dictionary eschew
/ɪsˈtʃuː/ -Eschew is a formal verb that means to deliberately avoid, abstain from, or shun something

If job eschews evil as God's servant does it not mean that God also eschews evil too?

And does this statement not prove that God is very proud of Job for eschewing evil?

socoharley:
I am an atheist and I still care that people are deceived for the selfish gain of a few previleged spiritual leaders..When you get liberated you must fight to liberate others...we exist not for ourselves but for others.

If you Truly cared for people then you would have seen the Truth that people never do something for free. That is like satan told job, "is it for nought?". So, those people going to those places losing their monies know what they are getting in return.

But you people are only complaining about those pastoprenuers because you are jealous of them that they are getting rich whilst you guys are still poor. And that is just the first reason. So, it is not that you care for them.

TokoEkambi:
People don't like the truth. His reaction shouldn't be surprising.

True.
He came at me on the grounds of reasonability so, i thought he might be different.

Please chook mouth for this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/8734962/what-devil-not-completely-wrong#140442184

ironheart:
The space betwen pistom amd the wall of the cylinder is very very small

The gap between bearings and crankshaft are so small that its easy to spun bearing quickly if oil doesn't get there quick

Ok. I thought so just wanted to be certain.

But by our temperatures won't oil always be there?

Explore2xmore:
Revert to the very first post I made to which you engaged me needs you to revisit.

See what your religion does. Your religion says it is right to sexually invade and abuse even 9yr old female children.

"Old men "buying" pre-pubescent wives is allowed by Islam."
https://www.nairaland.com/8735119/70-year-old-man-purchased-9-year-old-afghan#140438547

And the funny thing is that this cannot happen to a girl who is rich eg a Governor's daughter, yet you say islam is voluntary and reasonable.

Glowry to God, i just finished passing that Agbor Benin Road a few days before it got blocked. And, truly i saw the beginning of this issue as the holes were too deep for even trailers and tankers, not to talk of we small SUVs. So everybody including trailers were struggling for the narrow places one could put tyres on.

So, now I am sure those places have collapsed such that no one can pass again. Or a trailer has gotten hooked on it.

And on that stretch there are even 2 bad gridlockable spots. One before the goodbye/welcome to delta State from Asaba (i think) and the second one near Benin bypass

But the question i kept pondering is why don't the villages there clear a path for at least small vehicles to bypass the damaged area? They can even take a token from the drivers.


If they do this, at least the grid may begin to unlock.

E kon be like say i go put cutlass and shovel for moto when I dey travel

Nifpmod

Goosethetruth:
I would be more reasonable and sensible to ask why your heartless god stands by the side watching innocent men die of cancer(which is his creation) and does nothing.

If you were indeed reasonable you would know that this is you dodging and changing/departing from post (Fallacy) and fallacy is

fallacy
/ˈfaləsi/- is a flaw in reasoning that makes an argument invalid, misleading, or false.

MrEar:
Dtruthspeaker, your honorable attention is needed here please.

MrEar:
Now, my question is simple:

What on earth would make a woman attracted to a murderer?

Simple answer: birds of the same feather flock and f*** together

Goosethetruth:
Guy,
What the fukk are you trying to do. I am a student of the fukking bible. I know that shitt in and out. In fact I am sure I know that bible more than you!

How do you reconcile your crazeed god leaving satan alone as his friend and killing all Job's gaddem family? How does a rational human being justify such insanity?

Now I got that off my chest. The mod is free to weild his stick and ban me.
Naa you go tired!!!😄😄

Just imagine a god seeing satan and instead of destroying him he is playing betnaija with innocent Job's life with the same satan. Make that shiit make any rational sense??!!

So, first you have shifted post from you wrongly accusing God to you asking for justification/explanation of His action on Job. Which means that you know that you just spoke very phu kilishi.

Secondly, by your statements, you yourself agree and have conceded that that satan is the bad and evil person who does only evil. Point 1 for God.

Therefore, anyone including God who has done any good thing big or small is already better than Satan. That is point 2 for God.

Now to your unintelligent question.
Which parent or boss who is proud of their children or worker does not say Hast thou considered my servant/son Job,Okey,Tunde that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, (good and hardworking) one that feareth God, and escheweth (drunkenness, womanising, wasteful)/, evil?

For the avoidance of doubt here are people who did it and said it no one said it was wrong

https://www.nairaland.com/495395/son-most-qualified-eagles-job#6554819
"Among all the coaches that are been paraded for Super Eagles' job, no one is as qualified as my son. Sunday is very intelligent and disciplined,..."

https://www.nairaland.com/7438191/why-igbo-parents-like-brag#118470089

And when people are so confident in another person do they not say things like "no matter how rich you are you can't steal my babe"

Re: Do You Trust That Girl You Are Dating?? My Experience Today. by stigmond(m): 6:28pm On Jun 05, 2016
Yeah. I trust mine 100%. But the question I should ask my self. Is, do I trust my self?

Eddygourdo:
you have been brainwashed. But I like ur type, without boys like you, whose gf would we sleep with. Omo enjoy braaah
stigmond(m):
Not been brainwashed.... Best reason is known to me. I fit give you her number. So you can check for your self. The type of guy I am, I don't think any girl can cheat me on me... And you can never sleep with my type of gf. Get that right bro.
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After, this statement is not competition and verification that will take place? How is this evil?

Goosethetruth:
Lol...😁
All I ask from you,is the location of this purported heaven and hell?
In the sky?!
Under the earth?!
In the sea?!

I hope you know there are billions of galaxies in the universe and the earth is just a speck of dust in the solar system?
Think about it!!!

Come, Let them inject you with Taiwo Hassan Ogogo's cancer, let us see if you will not see them by force.

Kobicove:
Get a lawyer?

To do what exactly?

So you think a lawyer can unilaterally change the terms of a valid contract simply cos he's a lawyer?

The topic is about removing yourself from being a guarantor, so, it is about your rights and so such a person needs to get a lawyer else as many people here are wrongly saying, he is hooked or going to be hooked

TokoEkambi:
Exactly my point. Who's in charge of juju? The devil. If he had the body of Moses he could have played the same prank. And the Israelites would've made "him" an object of worship (same way they worshipped that bronze snake on a pole for many generations).

Ok. I get it.
And I told Explore2xmore that his islam too are pagans just like Catholics and he did not like it.

Goosethetruth:
Lol...😁😁😁


Though I don't believe a single word in the Christian Bible, it is apparent that the devil is being unfairly accused because the god of the bible is a more evil,egotistic,narcissistic,misogynistic and murderous,bloodthirsty being than the devil.
And to top it up Satan and the god of the bible are good pals playing kalokalo and cashie with people's life's. (JOB chapter 2 verses 1-7)

This is the definition of concentrated bias for you to see job 2 and not see what God Said to Satan in Job 1.

And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

In case you don't have a dictionary eschew
/ɪsˈtʃuː/ -Eschew is a formal verb that means to deliberately avoid, abstain from, or shun something

If job eschews evil as God's servant does it not mean that God eschews evil too?

Then satan answers
Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?.. meaning satan has tried several times to hit Job's house, himself and everything?

Hedge - a means of protection

And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

And what was Satan's power?
We see the disasters that fell on job's farms, servants, sheeps and children. Yet job did not cross into evil.

Then job 2 you see the words of God Saying
and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

And what was the movement satan caused God to do?
"But put forth thine hand now" - meaning for God to remove His Hand and hedge from Job. And that was all God did and then satan did the evil he desired to do.

So for calling God evil wrongly, everything that happened to Job in Job 1 and 2 shall happen to you all your life in Jesus Name.

ironheart:
The lowest our temperature can get maybe 10°C we do not have extreme cold. I also believe it will flow well as per the 20W then give you maximum protection at 100°c as the 50.

Yes the engine have very tight tolerances thats why i advocate for 10w30 or 10w40

All in all our temperature maters

Ok.
What do you mean by tight tolerances?

Now we all see why God let them be kept by Frederick de Clark and co for a long time, where every other country was free

Just a simple solution. Get a lawyer. That's all. No long talk

Evaress:
how peter obi take enter this topic?

Ah1 ways plenty

Obogidi:
for your information, I am not devil lawyer, I am pure child of God,I just want us to have logic reasoning funny,
Don't take it too personal

For reasoning purposes you are now devils lawyer. Anyway I have dropped my first bomb, lets see if you can defend satan out of it

Obogidi:
What If the Devil Is Not Completely Wrong?

We have been taught from childhood that the Devil is the ultimate villain and that God represents everything good. But what if we paused for a moment and asked a different question: What if we have never heard the Devil's side of the story?

Imagine the Devil as someone who believes that the system governing the world is unjust. He looks at poverty, war, disease, corruption, hunger, and innocent people suffering for circumstances they never chose. Perhaps he asks, “If this world is governed by an all-powerful and all-good God, why is there so much suffering?”

From that perspective, the Devil might believe that he is fighting against a system he considers unfair. Humanity, however, only knows him through the traditional story in which he is the rebel, tempter, and villain.

This is somewhat similar to Thanos in Avengers. Thanos genuinely believed that the universe had a serious problem: limited resources and unlimited growth. His diagnosis had some logic, but his solution was horrifying. He wanted to eliminate half of all life.

That raises an important moral question: Can someone identify a real problem while still being completely wrong about how to solve it?

Perhaps that is how we should approach the idea of the Devil.

Maybe the question isn't simply, “Is the Devil evil?” Maybe we should also ask, “What exactly was he fighting against?”

Of course, this doesn't prove that the Devil is morally right. We don't actually possess independent evidence that his traditional story is incomplete. But as a philosophical thought experiment, it challenges us to examine the assumptions behind the stories we inherit.

After all, history is often written from the perspective of the victorious.

So what if the Devil's greatest argument isn't that evil is good?

What if his argument is that the world itself contains contradictions that deserve to be questioned?

And perhaps the most uncomfortable question of all is this:

What if the Devil was wrong about the solution—but right that something was wrong with the system?

Don't be a nzuzu.
Was there poorverty, corruption, war, hunger etc when God finished creating the world before Satan came?
No

If someone comes in to your house and things start getting missing and destroyed is it not the person you suspect?

adeoyekay:
I can't even read your write up finish till I stop. What you posted now is non plausible facts, right from the inspection the word is going smoothly and peacefully, it was the devil that brings the suffering upon us

Please no point at all in what you are deducing

None at all, at all. The op is playing devil's lawyer forgetting that even devil when accused of his crimes could not and did not defend it

Stephen0mozzy:
There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth!

None at all

Mattswaggz:
Keep explaining. .

The thread already shows you running Kiti kata 700kph, 2 times when I told you to come and see it with your own eyes instead of you to ask questions. So Keep running matadenier. Everyone knows that when you become sick like Taiwo Hassan come and see if you can still run again coward

Mattswaggz:
I say ba?....keep explaining kiddo. .

The thread already shows you running Kiti kata 740kph, 2 times when I told you to come and see it with your own eyes instead of you to ask questions. So Keep running matadenier. Everyone knows that when you become sick like Taiwo Hassan come and see if you can still run again coward

Evaress:
abeg i no be witch o. My hands are clean

You sef know say you no talk True

Stephen0mozzy:
Man needs his beliefs.
He must insist that his faith, if strong enough can alter universal laws. He needs to believe that his slaughter of a goat, with the blood spilled over iron, was responsible for the son of his bitter enemy falling from the mango tree.

Man must believe whatever makes him feel better. That's his blessing and curse.

We all know and have the beliefs we want/need to believe eg some people believe that Peter Obi is the president. But there are many things that do not need belief yet they happen

Evaress:
i try to doubt but he insists its all true.

You woman, does not know that women are witches? Please find another tell to tale

Stephen0mozzy:
Lol... A Nigerian? 😂😂😂
Na lie.

Anyways, on your question, I personally don't believe there are witches. But yes, there are people who practice the idea of witchcraft just like different religions worship the idea of "god".

And if their practice does not work would they still be doing it?

Anyway, they don't need you to believe it but Obasanjo, IBB, Awujale and late olu of Ibadan show you that it is working