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LordBiden:
Is the said lady from imo or Akwa ibom?

Only those two states gives ridiculous marriage list like you stated.

Anambra own no dey? Ok, dia own na dictionary

Explore2xmore:
There appears to be unreasonable bias attached to your reading and chosen understanding. Satan isn’t mentioned anywhere in Genesis 16 unless you have a way to show me; that connection is your inference, based on modern assumptions about marriage, projected onto an ancient, custom-driven narrative. And everyone knows isn’t evidence but an appeal to popular sentiment. Voluntary participation in a religious/cultural practice isn't slavery and in fact Islam truly honours women and wives.

Likewise, saying paganism comes from Satan, therefore Catholicism, Islam and Satan skips the crucial convincing explanatory step. You still have to demonstrate the actual textual chain from Sarai to specifically Catholic doctrine. Sharing a vague ancestral connection through paganism does not establish that link. You'll need to provide verifiable references if you want to insist further.

So unless, it is mentioned in Genesis 16, then the people there did not pee and defecate? And for you to state Genesis 16, is that not you inferring?

And asking for public confirmation of a fact since it appears that you do not want to declare the Truth seen in nature, is not an appeal to the popular sentiment.

How is it voluntary when you people ostracize and murder those brave enough to leave your religion?https://www.nairaland.com/8430479/22-yr-old-zamfara-lady-faces#135442765

https://www.nairaland.com/281140/only-religion-earth-kills-duty#3992635

Or how is it voluntary when you people have laws like this
https://www.nairaland.com/1816312/marriage-non-muslim#24749538

Which free woman would consent to these?
https://www.nairaland.com/2135900/how-islam-treats-women-badly#30525374

I believe you are joking when you say voluntary and islam.

And finally, you have committed the fallacy of changing post and unilaterally increasing the standard of proof, all because you find that you have no reasonable objection against my assertion.

alabo1:
My God. What are you even saying? The early Christian community was made up of Catholic and eastern orthodoxy before they split. Or are you saying Catholicism is not Christianity? Go back to your books please

Which early Christianity are you talking about? Is it the romans or the jews?Have you not been seeing people here pointing out that Catholicism is not Christianity?
Don't tell me that you believe the Catholic lie that Peter is a Roman even though Peter had already died long before Romans began to accept that their persecution of innocent jews worshiping their God and who harmed no one was ungodly and wicked.

Read this
https://www.nairaland.com/8347711/roman-catholic-hated-christians-how

https://www.nairaland.com/8347687/it-roman-catholics-pagans-ruled/1#134241458

Sleekfingers:
And so ?
And your useless Jesus is what ? A bloody clown that was paraded naked , with his small penis all over the place .
Beaten to a pulp , before nailing to a cross like a bloody criminal.

E pain am well well!

To the point that you now modified your post to resort to insalt since you did not have anything reasonable to say again.

"When the debate is lost insult becomes the tool of the Loser!" Socrates

Explore2xmore:
“No wife would agree” isn’t a statement from the text; it’s a modern assumption being read into Genesis 16. The passage gives Sarai’s motive as childbearing custom, not Satan. Ishmael’s genealogy traces his descendants, but it doesn’t show that Catholicism doctrinally comes from him. The specific textual link between Sarai’s act and Catholicism still hasn’t been demonstrated.

Which scripture would we use when you've got your scripture and i have got mine?

And for showing that Catholics come from satan,

That is why i also used realeyeity to further explain my statement and everyone here has dealt and lived with women enough to know that no free and normal woman is ever going to tell her husband to sleep with another woman and has never done that UNLESS when satan enters and moves her.

It is because by you Muslims believe in oppressing in slaving the female and have successfully done so is why you are able to think that a woman will do such. Everyone knows that A slave has no choice but must always bend to the will of her masters.

Whereas, all over the free world, no woman does that and has never done that and will never ever do that unless when satan enters her and makes her do it.

The childlessness was just the opportunity satan used to make her fulfill his will and plans.

And for Catholicism coming from satan, this thread already proves it for paganism comes from satan in addition to the other fruits i have listed already.

So, the link and HCF and LCM between Sarai, Islam and Catholicism is Satan

Drsmartphilips:
I dont serve the god you serve. I serve the creator of the world who has no rival and doesnt delegate his duties. My God has planned the world and he doesnt change it.

Didn't ask you to serve Him and neither do you see Him begging you to serve Him. So enjoy your freedom

WatchYourSix:
those Israelite wey dey worship golden calf?? Them nor respect Moses that much…. Them too frustrate Moses.. give us meat, give us water, we want to go back to Egypt

Ah! Dem frustrate baba tire!

angelboy01:
God hid Moses body cos he knows the Israelites will worship his body as the Catholics are now worshiping only God knows that's trending on twitter now.

Isreal worship anybody? Lai lai! It is because they want to be doing and using juju is why they would want his body. So, dem go first use am do juju before anything

WatchYourSix:
that verse ddnt say satan went to the location of Moses’ burial..

Satan is a known accuser/contender against saints and he does it based on legal premise maybe record of sin, covenant, agreement, etc, so that he can secure unrestricted permission to afflict or oppress. He did with job, Joshua the high priest, etc…

That verse you speak of is only talking about Satan’s legal contending and not at a physical dragging at the burial site

Correct!

ObaKlaz:
My own issue is, God buried Moses Himself within an 'unexact' place (between somewhere & somewhere), but SPECIFIC location isn't supposed to be known:
HOW DID SATAN KNOW THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION ENOUGH TO COME AND CONTEND FOR MOSES' BODY?? ?

Is the hiding not from human beings make dem no go use am for juju like the guy for up bin wish say hin fit find Elisha bones? Satan no be human being

Sleekfingers:
And so ?

So, everyone has seen that your ogun is idol worship and paganism. Fin

alabo1:
Look who's talking. Read you won't read. Christianity was made the official religion of the Roman State/empire by Constantinople giving rise to it's spread. Before that it was a localized religion. Where had it travelled abroad to prior to then. Anyway keep believing in your fairy tales. I have freed myself from that mental slavery. Peace

If you had read, you would have read that Christianity had already gone abroad even before Constantinople. And it is not Christianity he made a state religion, it is Catholicism.

Sleekfingers:
That's what your masters told you......

Like people do not see in bushes and roads the pots of gooey rituals done in the name of Ogun in the places where ogun is worshipped.

tozynetita:
Christianity has killed more people in history than any other religion. Have you read d about the crusades, inquisitions and how many people were killed because they don't want to accept Christianity.

They were burnt, butchered, beheaded and all manners of evil you can think of. The Bible you read today and the Christianity you are championing were all formed and brought to you by the Catholic Church.

Both Christianity and Islam were forced upon us through violence and indoctrination. Do you think that the so called missionaries were on the streets of Africa actually preaching?

How can a people that hate us preach to us in our local language which they despise and refused to learn? Our older ancestors were converted to Christianity through force and violence while the younger ones were captured, camped and were forced to learn English language through which they were indoctrinated with Christianity.

History already proves that Christians don't kill while till tomorrow pagans would always kill as they have always done since they discovered juju
You forget it was pagans who started rituals, slavery and wars, back in the days of Hammurabi and co, thousands of centuries long before the Catholics came with their crusades.

Of which this thread now shows that this same crusaders whom you accuse are pagans. So, in effect, pagans have killed more than everyone you can name.

And no record in history states that the missionaries did any of these things if anything, the missionaries saved many people from being killed because of pagan beliefs. Mary Slessors' legacy is still standing today in testament. Same for the Christian missionaries during the Biafra war.

What you fail to consider is that the Christian missionaries were different from the white bandits who came and invaded our lands and did all the things you say. So, you are accusing the wrong people

Explore2xmore:
Perhaps, I understand your clarification somewhat better. I was specifically asking whether Satan, Eve, Adam, and Israel could spoil or frustrate God’s plan, so your examples were directly addressing that question.

However, that still leaves the separate claim that Catholicism and Islam come from the same person who caused Sarai to spoil God’s plan needing to be demonstrated. The five similarities you listed may support an argument that there are parallels, but similarities alone do not establish a common origin. To establish that claim, you would need to show the specific textual connection between Sarai, Catholicism, and Islam.

I have just shown you both the text and factual connections. Everyone knows that there is no wife in her senses that would ever tell her husband to go and sleep with another woman. Even a 3rd wife will never agree for the husband to marry a 4th wife. So every reasonable person knows that satan moved sarai to cause Ishmael (Muslims) to be born to scatter and pollute God's plan of a holy family and nation.

So satan got sarai to help him get him (satan) his own unholy family that would also have roots in God. This is what I did not want to say in full

DropsMic:
More than 20billion?


If I had known you were a slowpoke, I wouldn’t have bothered replying you.

If you were not empty you would have known that more than 20billion people have passed through this world since the beginning and all of them were pagans until after Christ came

Even a simple Google search would have cured you to know that 20billion is nothing

Google
how many people have lived through this earth since the beginning

+4
Approximately 117 billion people have ever been born on Earth since the dawn of modern Homo sapiens roughly 190,000 years ago. The current global population of over 8 billion people makes up about 7% of every human who has ever lived.

voiceunheard:
My anger is that I never ask him for financial assistance neither do I expect any money from him, he went ahead and made a promise that is far beyond his capacity and prevented me from taking proper steps to get out of my situation by asking me not to report the people who threw my belongings out to the police to recover my money because he wants me to be totally dependent on him. At the end he made me run into debt.

He decided to punish me with silence and withdrew after testing boundaries and saw that I wasn't the kind of person he was thinking, which was the reason he said "I stopped calling him, since I stopped calling him, he said let him see how I will look for a way out".

If you can't read what I posted and understand the timeline and how it happened, then get lost.

See, now you are talking about your personal issue which is the proper thing. But when you are getting this because you were now trying to make it seem all women are innocent

voiceunheard:
All these your nons*nse talk, it's the pastor that you are supposed to drop it for. His mindset is ev*l, so is he.

The pastor has his own but when you now made it look like women are not guilty of making him guilty, is where you have done the wrong

samsononyilo:
In the new testament, I didn't say the old testament.

Thank God, you yourself confessed that "Jesus himself said he didn't come to abolish the law,". Which means that what you call old testament still continues even in what you call the new testament.

This guy definitely knew it was for juju.(Witchcraft)

njelrapheal:
one way to explain this is to look at a bigger picture and assume that angels and demons have equal power or strength.. they be even be the same entities in substance.. in fact they are.. maybe not as it has been described. secondly another point is to assume that they both actually want the body for themselves as if it were some form or nourishment. that paints a clearer picture that these 4 dimensional beings have some control over the physical realm and feed on human body in some way for nourishment.. and probably desire some bodies due to the power(how nourishing ) that body possess. with this.. it will be pretty obvious why they were fighting over it.

PS// don't assume that there are physical concepts and spiritual concepts as two independent things. they are the same albeit we don't have the senses to perceive the other reality

This guy has helped me figure out why God buried Moses Himself and why satan now came to drag to for the body

samsononyilo:
Let me ask you a question, if Elisha's bone was preserved till this day, do you think I'll not be used to restore life to the dead, would you say it's ungodly? Since it brought back the dead to life in the Bible.
Show me a passage in the New testament that instructed us not to touch a dead body.

This is out of point.
First, Elisha's bones cannot be preserved because it is tantamount to paganism (witchcraft) and God will never support that. (Now you make me appreciate why satan was fighting for Moses's body. So it is exactly what you people would have done to Elisha's bones if you people have found it. So, see it, you people are into paganism (witchcraft) as accused .

And see, i told you, you didn't know that touching the dead is a sin

Numbers 19:13
13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the Lord; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.

Even touching the carcass of an animal is sin, for all these things are what pagans use for witchcraft.

Drsmartphilips:
L your god is useless if a human can spoil his plans

It is because you are not supposed to be a human being is why you think this. If not you would have known that just as a child can spoil his parents plans, because they are alike, so also did God create us to be like Him which means that humans are powerful enough to spoil His plans.

But as you are a serf you don't know the power of FREEDOM and POWER which God gave us.

Explore2xmore:
Perhaps you should review our conversation.
You’re shifting the question. Quran 9:31 isn’t asking whether humans can spoil God’s plan; it condemns treating religious authorities as having God’s authority. Then if you claim Islam and Catholicism come from the same source because of Sarai, then show the actual textual basis. Saying Satan, Eve, Adam, Israel, or Sarai prove it doesn’t establish that conclusion.

I think you have it mixed up. In response to me saying that islam and Catholics come from the same person, you responded saying "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" Which is what I responded to with Satan, Eve, Adam..

So, it means the bold up was what you wanted to ask.

And my reply is that it is known that ALL evil and wrong doing comes from Satan. For textual references.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Genesis 3:1–4: Details the serpent (Satan), introducing sin to mankind.

And a look at both islam and Catholic's you would see they have a lot of similarities

1) Both use beads for prayers and are inbeded in pagan practices. (Juju)
2) Both are authoritarian, strict and restrict/resist contrary and opposing views.
3) Both restrict individual freedom.
4) Both believe in violently conquering other people's lands which is trespass.
5) both believe in absolute control of their subjects.

All of which violate one Law or the other that He Who is Good and God had Commanded that they should not be done.

And all of these same things were done by the pagans of old

These are just a few mild personal observations of my own and this guy pointed out more in his thread. https://www.nairaland.com/988029/similarities-islam-catholicism#11405455

So, these are my textual and real eyeity based reasons for my comment.

Explore2xmore:
Yet you answered sure to me asking if you grasped what Quran 9:31 says. How do you choose to stand when you can easily have even searched what it was if you actually don't know. Obviously we are not having a meaningful conversation if you choose to just flippantly answer. Where did God say he will make us (I believe you refer to mankind) like him? Is that your yardstick of differentiation from a robot? The bestowing of free will?

You were the one who raised your Quran 9:31 in saying whether "can the created subject of God the creator spoil the latter's plan?" So, i do not know what your Quran says but definitely that question can be answered even without the Quran.

And since the Quran is technically built from the Bible, then you ought to have no issue with me calling on Satan, Eve, Adam and Isreal for they are indisputably settled.

Neither have I stopped you from citing your Quran 9:31 to back your point for us all to see whether it truly validly and reasonably stands

mindhacker90009:
And the 1% left are into a Roman Empire juju invented two thousand years ago.

God Almighty of the original Jewish Torah is the only True God.

The Catholic skull issue already proves that everyone knows that Catholics are pagans

See, this one confesses to using juju and someone will think that she does not even know road to that place talkless of using it.
https://www.nairaland.com/8730812/girl-narrates-how-she-used#140371565

DropsMic:
Christians have killed more people than most religions, and more people than all the natural disasters that have ever occurred on Earth combined.

For pagans to catch up to them they would have to genocide atleast 150 million more people.

Repeating your unfounded chant will not change history nor tomorrow's news. History already proves that Christians don't kill while till tomorrow pagans would always kill as they have always done since they discovered juju. So, they have already murdered more than 20billion

See, i just said it. Your sister has just confessed to using juju and if anyone who dies from this evil of hers is on you people's head

https://www.nairaland.com/8730812/girl-narrates-how-she-used#140371565

Let him tell us which property in lagos is 7m? Is it bacha?

voiceunheard:
When a person unprovoked accuses or suspects another person of something so extreme, it usually reveals their own mindset, deep-seated insecurities, and how they view people in general.

In order words, what you are saying here is how you view people in general, it has to do with your mindset and absolutely nothing to do with me.

Real eyeity shows has shown us who women are and what they do and everyone has responded on them. So real eyeity rules over any claim you make.

alabo1:
Rubbish. All are man made tools for control. If Constantinople did not make Christianity a State Religion you would be one today. Even your Christmas day was the day of worship for the Sun God

See yourself. You said "state religion" and not world religion of which they even lost their position yet Christianity still grew out of the tiny church meeting they were.

Secondly, even before Constantinople, Christianity had already travelled abroad so, you are talking rubbish and just looking for something to say