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DeepSight:
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Is it not worrisome that this is still the same God of the Bible acting this way. Is he not supposed to be the same yesterday, today and forever?

Is that not what He did yesterday to them in the wilderness? The same thing He did to Egypt, Sodom and Gomorrah?

When God decides to treat your f@... up, e don be for you.

Jilo83:
Some of you don't know that Christianity is quite different from Judaism.
Abraham, Isaac,. Jacob, Moses etc practiced Judaism and were repotted in the Bible.
Jesus is the Author of new covenant. Whatever error you find in old testament has been corrected in new testament.
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This is not correct

Judahism is idolism and no where did you see Abraham and co practice idolism.

https://www.nairaland.com/7790701/judaism-not-what-moses-gave#124873648

HeatSeeker:
MTBB

@Deepsight

The census was a violation of the commandments give to the Israelites wild in the wilderness. David simply went against Yahweh's instructions and the people suffered the consequences. You can check the bible verse below for more details.

Exodus 30:11-16

You people are not getting it. This is not a David matter. It was Isreal that was being punished and not David.

This is what it happens when God turns against a people

DeepSight:
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What's wrong with a census. And notice just like with Pharaoh it's Yahweh who goes about putting the idea into David's mind in the first place before punishing him for it.
Isn't it weird that he slaughters 70, 000 innocent people for this?

Is it that you cannot read again? Did you not read that the "Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel"

That means, like Pharoah, you and the other Isrealites who perished in the wilderness they were not innocent.

AntiChristian:
How is the rule stupid when you said you are neutral to Christianity then come chuck mouth into this discussion about Christianity! Na hypocrisy be that o!

See your hypocrisy, you just read my answer saying that
the debate did not say that only religious people should participate in this debate. Yet you pretended not to see it. Clearly hypocrisy or ma.... .sss.

tctrills:
Didn't you understand the chapter? What explanation are you seeking? I guess you are not seeking an explanation but you are asking us to justify God's actions right?

Well God is the giver and taker of life so if every time He takes a life, you accuse Him of murder, I really don't know what to tell you.
We are about 8 billion people on earth, we all would die one day, so you can go ahead and accuse God of their murder.

But then, let me ask you, if you created anything for yourself, and you destroy it, can any court find you guilty?
If no, why do you think God is guilty of a crime?

The first verse already answered it saying

"Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel"

Omoawoke:
So is the Bible / Christianity version the correct one?

Yes!
That is what we have been saying since

Perfect.

Since devus cannot find any major thing to use to attack they have to find silly trivialities

DeepSight:
Who can explain the murderous callousness here?

2 Samuel 24

1 Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.”

2 So the king said to Joab and the army commanders[a] with him, “Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are.”

3 But Joab replied to the king, “May the Lord your God multiply the troops a hundred times over, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?”

4 The king’s word, however, overruled Joab and the army commanders; so they left the presence of the king to enroll the fighting men of Israel.

10 David was conscience-stricken after he had counted the fighting men, and he said to the Lord, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done. Now, Lord, I beg you, take away the guilt of your servant. I have done a very foolish thing.”

Tctrills, Kukutente23, TV01, SirTee15, FreeIgboho, Gabrielshow24, ono, femi4, explain.

From ivu minds come ivu speaches. -

None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see." — Matthew Henry

The passage clearly tells us why.

"Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel" exactly how the Israelites kindled it severally in the wilderness.

May God specially respond to your blasphemies speedily

tanigororo:
You are just confused, at no point Jesus declared Christianity as a religion.?

You are just pretending that you do not comprehend so you resort to repetition since you real eyes that you do not have any reasonable thing to say further.

What Jesus came to establish was clearly expressed in the Bible. And the first followers who subscribed to His religion were called Christians as was noted even by Bible. Period.

lawani:
No. Something that existed in Europe was super imposed on the teachings of the Jewish sect called Nazarene which came to be known as Christianity later. The Jews were expecting a Messiah to liberate their nation. A freedom fighter. The concept of Christ is different and it is a Greek mythology figure that predates Christianity. It is even obvious. There has always been Jesus Christ or Iesous Christ and it had nothing to do with any Jew. Iesous was the perfect and blameless son of Zeus. So anybody with an impressive conduct would be called a Christian or small Christ by the ancient Greek. It is quite obvious that Isa bin Yusuf was not the first Christ and that the current Christians are not the first group to be called Christians

This is clearly a beer parlour convulated mix created by a drunk. Europe and the world practiced paganism like Africans. Even Isreal did too so where did Europe get Christianity that they could now impose on Isreal?

Clearly, you are sharing your delus

DeepSight:
Tctrills, SIRTee15 -

Verses that contradict the idea that Jesus could have died for our sins.

Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Everyone will die for their own sin; whoever eats sour grapes—their own teeth will be set on edge (Jeremiah 31:30).

The one who sins is the one who will die (Ezekiel 18:4).

Cc: musicwriter

Is this not The Law?
Where is atonement in this verses if people are indeed supposed to pay for their sins?

Or do you not know the meaning of atonement? Let me help you

Atonement: reparation for an offense or injury

sonmvayina:
See 2nd chronicles 7:14

Still the same thing The Law of Atonement said

tanigororo:
Their is no where in the Bible did Jesus established a religion called Christianity, at least he claim to have come to preserve the existing law not to destroy them.
Christian and Christianity is never a religion in Nigeria context

You are just moving post. What Jesus came to establish was clearly expressed in the Bible. And the first followers who subscribed to His religion were called Christians as noted even by Bible. Period

Christianity and Christian are the same thing the only thing is that many who call themselves Christians are not worthy to be called so. And that is still outside the topic

Stephen0mozzy:
There's no "lesser sin" - big or small ein is just a human moral definition which we use for apportioning punishment/judgement.

In the sight of God, all sin is a transgression and are equally rewarded with death.

Then comes the moral question: Why will you want to condemn either Peter or Judas since it was already prophesied - what if they were "predestined" to fulfill that prophecy?

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I just finished schooling helinus on predestination in his thread https://www.nairaland.com/8648052/why-jesus-arrested#138998993

And we all saw judas on his own calculate that he could profit from the hatred the Pharisees had for Jesus.

So, in addition to his charges of betrayal, there is also the charge of human trafficking and false accusation

Then your sight about God on sin is ridiculous especially as God even said that we should judge an eye for an eye, a life for a life and not an a lazy one size fits all judgement

musicwriter:
Naturaland doesn't claim to be flawless like your all knowing bible God

Is it the bible that said that it is not flawless? Then you now put all knowing God inside it. See how unreasonable you have become seeing that you have no reasonable thing to say in counter?

It is clear that even you know that you are talking rubbish

musicwriter:
As Omoawoke has rightly advised earlier, you need to go and really research these things because lies are often intertwined with truth such that it takes time to separate the lies from the truths or half truths. It will take you up to 5 years of research to discover the truth.

Indeed, the religion that would later be called Christianity originated right here in Africa but it wasn't called Christianity. See attachment for a comparison of the attributes of the ancient Egyptian son of God Horus (7,000 years ago) and Jesus Christ (2,000 years ago).

But then, came European invaders who changed everything and turned everything upside down...

This is a drunk Judgment. Christianity has its line in and roots from Isreal yet you say it is from Africa? The things you people choose to believe because of Christianity is craz

musicwriter:
Flawless my foot!

1). No one has ever seen God (1 John 4:12).

Contradiction: ...

Contradiction is a part of living. Nairaland, newspapers and courts do it all the time and there is flaw in that. If you pretend not to understand it, that is you failing to do your own thinking but acting brein laundered

AntiChristian:
Hypocrisy is you coming into the religious thread when you're not in support of any religion. The thread is for Christianity and not otherwise. The first rule is never to detail the thread.

An atheist should at least understand rules!

The discussion is not about me or my religion! The thread is contexted on is Christianity the true religion?

Only a Muslim will create stupy rules that do not exist in his hypocrisy. If he had spoken against Christianity you won't have said this.

Neither did the debate say that only religious people should participate in this debate. So it is you who is the hypocri because you already know that he put you in your proper place and you cannot reasonably answer it, hence this silly attempt of a rebuttal

helinues:
You told me where, the discussion is about destiny which the religious people claimed it's real

Now you are shifted post for you asked "What's your own personal definition of destiny, use your own English synonyms words for". And not what you are saying above. So stop moving post when you see you do not have any reasonable thing to say

helinues:
Someone who is destined to do something can only work along that path. You have no control of anything as destiny is not different from programmed

You are just repeating yourself for i have already told you that you and I and all of us have seen that it is ourselves who are predetermining whatever action we shall carry out as proven by crime, family and romance section. Exactly how it is you who decided whether today your wife should be murderd or not. So no need repeating yourself for you do not have any reasonable thing to say on this issue

helinues:
You know , I have been seen the tantrums you are putting in your comments just ignoring because those who have points to prove will never results into tantrums.

And that's typical of the religious people when your faith is being questioned.

I will allow other members to do the correction same way I did so that you can know al your arguments on this thread are just religious mentality without being realistic

Destiny = Something pre determined, pre thoughts, concluded, finalized. Who ever that's destined to do the job only need plan about it which is the second predetermined. It's a fulfilment that must be carried out by the person destined

Ignoring your ad hominem fallacy, the only thing here is you repeating yourself thereby forcing me to repeat the same thing i have told you when you say this which is

The definition only said "predetermined". It did not say who predetermined it.

And then we see that it is the criminals themselves who did the predetermining what is called premeditation.

Causing you to repeat and repeat yourself since you find that you do not have any reasonable thing to say in counter.

So, let us see if there is anyone who can help you supply a valid counter to this issue

mariovito:
Besides the bible account, no where else was it recorded that semites ever were slaves in Egypt which is odd bearing in mind that the Egyptians are a people known for record keeping.

Plus till date no archeological evidences has been found to support the Red sea crossing.

Before archeological evidences and all were created was the natural evidence called oral/traditional testimony passed from generation to generation.

And it is known that the Egyptians do not record their failures and defeats.

Plus Isreal did not fall out of the sky.

So, don't make it sound like archeological evidence is the only evidence used for proving the truth of a matter

helinues:
Then you don't understand the meaning of destiny.

Do your research very well. If you are destined to do something, it means you are no longer in control /charge

See denial.

If truly you knew what Destiny is then why are you running away instead of countering me?

Even if you run away this is what Destiny is said to be

"Destiny refers to a predetermined course of events or a person’s ultimate fate'

And crime section has shown you what predetermined means and everyone see that the criminal is the one predetermined his crime.

Which is why criminals are always guilty of premeditation. exactly as it is you who decides to murder your wife whether today, tomorrow, next week or never.

AntiChristian:
No eye can see God and live. Which God did they see? And nobody knows Christ in the old testament! No dey cap!

See why I call you ma...?
Does anyone here see you? Yet, have we not seen you?

Please, keep your weasel words away.

"Weasel/Weasel words: Slang for someone who uses evasive or misleading language to avoid responsibility."

helinues:
Which decision or control you have again when you are destined?

Did i not tell you that destiny is about the destination you controlled yourself to?

If you decide to murder are you not the one who did it?

AntiChristian:
It's human to die for my generation that's why we have sons to keep the family line!

Is that also the reason your God have son?

To preserve his heritage when he dies!

See, even are confessing that you cannot die for anybody.

helinues:
What then is the purpose of questioning someone who is destined to harbor some irritating behaviors, religious or not

Is the person not in control of his heart in deciding which way he wants it to go?

AntiChristian:
But him papa send am to come die!

So no be Judas fault but the Papa's.

Dem talk write Judas name say make him do am? If no be judas fault why kon dey feel bad? And na dat same end dey wait you when your cup don full

helinues:
Hahaha, so those who prosecuted him shouldn't be blamed as they are doing what they are destined to do

Na why I have issue with destiny. Why should we blame someone who is destined to be an armed robber when it's not he’s fault

Destiny is only about destination but the problem is that man does not real eyes that He is playing chess with God and so like every Grand Master, He knows the move you must make. But you are still in charge and control of making the move. Exactly how a person has move of murdering his wife when he catches her cheating or walking away. But i can tell you for $100 that if antichristian catches you with his wife, you are not going to live to tell the story