₦airaland Forum

pazienza: Yolobas are not going to deny the North access to the sea, they wouldn't do that, they didn't do that before and will not do that again.

Marching an Igbo army towards Yolobaland in hope of teaming up with a Yoloba army that would help you deny the north access to the sea, would be the highest height of naivety and playing into Yoloba games and handing them more cards to play with. It would mean repeating Ojukwu's mistakes.

Gbam

If Yorubaland is invaded, the best things to do are

1) Support their guerrilla movements to distract Arewas without invading their land.

2) Find out from Yoruba muslims the sea route of Arewa ships and sink the ships in far away places as Senegal South Africa Asia South America and other international shipping routes with extensive submarine warfare while keeping it a secret from everyone including Biafrans and her allies.

emiye: Ordinary fuel subsidy removal induced price hike in fuel, lots of Ibos got stranded in their town. They have spent all the cash

I hope you remember the parts of Nigeria that were at the fore-front of protest against fuel subsidy removal and the parts of Nigeria that kept quiet.

pazienza: Infact, from now onwards, i would no longer vilify Awo. I just saw what he saw in 1967, he did no wrong, he did exactly what i would have done if put in his shoes, it's no fault of his that Ojukwu and his crew where not wise enough to have analysed 'the yolobar factor' and taken counter measures to nullify it.

A united Nigeria was Yolobas best bet in 1967, and the factors that made it so still remains in 2014, so even as a type, a united Nigeria still remains their best bet.

Awo saw this truth, and did everything he could to keep Nigeria united, he did it for his people, not becos he liked or cared about the unity of Nigeria.


Wow! Awo was really a sage, my respect for him just increased.

Now you see my understanding of Awo's decisions.

Unfortunately

The younger generation do not know this fact.

Awo realised in the 1960s that Yorubas do not have a well secured means of financing a secession or repelling an invasion.

That is why he introduced indigenization and 20 pound policies to strengthen Yorubas financially.

In the 1980s when he felt Yorubas are in charge of Nigeria economy, he plotted to overthrow the military government.

Unfortunately

His plan was exposed by Jankunde

This was one of the reasons why the Arewas thought of building an inland port in Abuja to take away the economic base of Nigeria from Yorubas to Arewaland.

emiye: With a stiffled mind , i doubt i can achieve that. Emotions is winning over reasoning .

You have no point then

Am willing to learn to clarify my reality

torkaka: With reasoning like this, pray those who will advance the eastern cause will not put you in the fore front

I pray they do

I believe am among those who can devise plans that will stop Arewa invasion

If you go through my posts in other threads and study it without being bias

You will realise that men like me are more dangerous than an hydrogen atomic bomb.

Men like me by God's grace are those who can shake the foundation of world history.

I pray God cause my people to put me in the forefront. Amen.

semitunde: This has been discussed in several threads. Its the same question that can be asked of the north.

What yoruba have is ties with several tribes within and outside Nigeria. It may not be what Yoruba can give in war situation, but what Yoruba can give back in future.

Please understand that yoruba tribe strrtches throuth benin republic, togo to serria leone. Thisr are also countries with armament. Probably even a payment for past help by Yoruba is enough for them to come in. Who wants a humanitarian camp to be made of their country from Nigeria's huge population of Yoruba(not saying there will be, but as precaution). This is just one of many theories.

In Nigeria, many don't even realise Yoruba have ties with Benue state, mostly with Tivs. It isn't visible except in subtle clues and also because its not shouted on the roof tops.

You will be surprised the number of tribes that have trade and even war alliance in this same country. Igbo are not good at this, buy they have some leaders who started learning this from the obasanjo presidency in 1999. Its a flaw that needs to be corrected, war or not.

I know Yoruba tribe stretches to Ghana. Historically the nearest Eastern ethnic group Yorubas have contact with his the Igalas and somehow Idomas.

As for Tivs there is no connection both from legend or fact.


What I want you to understand is that in war, you need to exchange something for weapons.

The Ishekiris who have can be overrun by ND forces in the event of treachery.

A good portion of oil in Edo/Ondo are on Ijaw territory. Any forceful claim of their rights will incur the wrath of the ND forces who will definitely seek to protect them and their rights.

pazienza: This would be the likely scenario. But it would be foolish for the East to think she can form any form of alliance with the North. This is because, annexing Yolobaland and gaining control of her ports would only be Phase 1 of the North's agenda.


The phase 2 would be using the conquered Yolobaland and people as vassals to launch an attack with hope of gaining control of Niger delta oil, whose most onshore oil wells are in Igbo speaking lands.

You failed to put into account that some Yorubas will start a guerrilla movement that will receive the support of Biafrans/ND to distract Arewa troops in Yorubaland

emiye: Call it trash, as much as you like. Igbo's population is within the neighbourhood of 30 million , i dont need an ethnicity census to determine that, there are sensible ways to get realistic projections

Ok

Convince us

We are all ears


Tell us all these realistic projections that you know

semitunde: If I decide to respond to what you put here, it will require a while page. But know this:

1. Histories are histories, what you know about ur may not be the truth, but just a version of it, the version they want you to hear. This goes for all tribes.


2. Many nations have rushed to their ruin in wars based on emotions. The survivors are the strategic nations, and even they do get their fingers burned when they become emotional. ( Vietnam).

3. Don't let the fact that you think your beliefs are correct becloud your judgement that other human think you are wrong. Don't ever fail to find out why. And even when you think they are still wring in their thoughts

What will Yorubas exchange for arms.?


When you answer that question truthfully then you will know that you are at the mercy of Arewa Biafrans ND forces.


Even the oil in Ishekiri is closer to ND forces.

The oil in Edo/Ondo a sizeable portion is on Ijaw speaking areas.

So those of you thinking land size will save you guys should ponder deeply if your near inability to raise sufficient fund to arm you troops will bring to fruit your geographical advantage.

When you ponder deeply, you will know why Awo chickened out of his quest for Odua republic

You will understand why Awo introduced indigenization policy of which Yorubas were the greatest beneficiaries

You will understand why Awo stole our money through 20 pounds policy


The fact is

Awo realised that Yoruba region do not have any reasonable resources that can finance her war.

That is why your leaders carved some part of Ijaw land into Edo and Ondo states.

That is why your leaders tried to revive ancient friendship with Ishekiris and Binis.

emiye: War mongers here again, Majority are the usual suspects, the igbos.

Someone on this thread, even said yorubas are the only ones who can break away peacefully, i must say there can be no peaceful unilateral breakway, but an unanimous one.

Igbos banking on war have lost the war before it started, roughly 15 million out of the 30 million igbos in nigeria are not on ibo land., in the event of war, they will be displaced, their means of livelihood sacked, investments will be lost, the human population in ibo land will be increased by 100% in a matter of months, housing needs becomes a problem, scarcity of money, food, available infrastructures overstretched, competition will be stiffer, Only then will you realise the mess you have created for yourself. In other regions, the net migration will lead to drop in population for a region like SW, or a marginal increase in population for some other regions.

Oyo state is just the size of all 5 SE states, imagine over 30million people crammed in to it, with half of them more or less displaced citizens.

Ibos should please keep quiet about war,their standing pre 1967 war is worse off now, they shot themselves in the foot, when they believed so much in one Nigeria than the other regions, migrating outside their region within the country and investing in it .

Trash

Waste of education

How do you arrive at the conclusion that Igbos are 30 million when we have not included ethnicity in any of our census

Ladystewie: They received text messages? Did they confirm it was genuinely from BH or are they causing unnecessary panic?

F O O L I S H COMMENT

Do you think the ND govs are unwise like Fashola who failed to warn the public

Spies and terrorists find it difficult to operate in an environment that is security conscious.

EMANY01: | meant to make that clarification/emphasis by finding such a map but posting with my phone has challenges

I understand

EMANY01: Of all the commentators you appears to be the most delusional.If the most recent wars on the African continent is anything to do by,was are not fought with only the weapons you have at hand.
You imagine that the Adenugas ,the Obattolas, the Otedollas do not have their equals in the south south or the south east.
Where do you get the idea that those folks would willingly roll out billions to persecute a war against who the SE/SS where the core of their billions came from?
Even if they did for filial reason they would be doing that,knowing that that would be the end of any investment that have past the cost line of ondo.
The SE/SS may never really trust each other but every baby knows that the only way the north would reach the SS is throught the SE and Edo .The have admited to themselves in separate fora that if the core north were to engage the SE they wold have to intervene and not wait because if they stood by and did nothing they would have more to lose than the SE .
For everyone in this conversation I think it will benefit you all to take a long hard dispassionate look at the map of Nigeria before voicing/typing out any opinions you would have formed.
Weigh you opinions against the cold hard truth that the map represents and be sure that you opinions stand in the face of the realites that the map presents

Brilliant point of view

Not just states map but ethno-religious map of Nigeria.

Qelvin: this sure would make the top chart of most laughable post of the year.

You kill that guy finish

Most NL yoruba comments show that, they are not listerning to the politics of other regions.

Those who seek GEJ's death die by ..................................................................................................................

atlwireles: which slowpoke revived this thread and why?

It must be those who hate Igbos

After seeing that we Biafrans will rally with ND to raise 10 million soldiers to support MB against Arewa invasion, they decided to drive a wedge btw Biafrans and ND



I repeat again


Biafrans/ND will support MB in their resistance against Arewas

Haters go and ......

UN also get lunatics like NairaLand

Next year will be an interesting year

Two things are before Arewa


1) Accept the new Nigeria

2) Forget Nigeria

Is laughable when I read Yorubas comments of how they are more capable of defending themselves than the Igbos on this thread

May I ask you guys

What was Awo's excuse for not declaring Odua.?

What did Obj and co told Awo when he asked them of West readiness to secceed.?

Of all armed ethnic militia and militias who believe in armed struggled why is OPC the least equipped when compared with BH and Mend.?


What will Yorubas exchange for weapons in the event of war.?


I repeat


I laugh at Yorubas thinking they have a better fighting chance compared to BIafrans/ND in a war against Arewa invasion.

semitunde: Unfortunately this is a possibility our south eastern people are not seeing presently.

The way I see it, the Igbo's continued vocal calls for war can make it easy for strategists to negotiate with middle belt. For the price of safety from war and not making it a "buffer zone" for the east; they can give any zone that guarantees its safety thoroughfare to the south east.

This will be an advantage for those in the west. They won't want a humanitarian crises from those fleeing the middle belt westward; and restricting the war to south east will make it easier and cheaper to round off.

The problem with your view point is

You fail to realise that the MB despise the Arewas with passion more than the way they hated the Igbos more than 40yrs ago

As I speak to you most MB christian tribes are openly saying they made mistake fighting the Igbos and would go with Biafra

If Nigeria breaks up no MB Christian tribe will allow the passage of any Arewa troops through her territory no matter the negotiation threat or bribe

Guy travel out of your SW enclave and interact with other tribes of Nigeria

Only when you do this that you will realise that Nigeria has changed

The Confab stand by the MB delegates should give you a clue

I repeat

If Nigeria breaks up all Northern minority tribes will want freedom from Arewas

This means any invasion of the Biafrans/ND areas through MB areas will be opposed by the MB tribes who will be supported by Biafrans/ND who will see the defense of MB as their best bet to keep the war as far North as possible.

torkaka: And who says kogi and the east can not be simultaneously bombed? Like I earlier said, a part of kogi will automatically align with the north, if the route is through nasrawa/benue/taraba, you might have a point. But kogi will not be much of a challenge, it will be balkanized.
The hit and run against boko haram is suprvised and cordinated by your cousin, Goodluck

The mistake you keep making is that you believe that the Biafrans/ND/Benue-Plateau-Taraba-Co MB axis will standby and watch Kogi being overrun.

Your greatest mistake is you underestimate our capacity to deploy men and material to support anti-Arewa forces fighting in the Kogi axis.

You fail to realise that Arewa will pass through Yoruba Kogi which might stir up anti-Arewa feelings leading to unsolicited spy work for anti-Arewa forces.

And most of all


You keep thinking that if war erupts

It will be fought with the present weapons


Let me burst your bubbles


The way the militants acquired new weapons to fight the FG is the way all threatened regions will acquire weapons to defend their regions.


My greatest joy is

One united North is dead and buried

And a house divided against itself can't win especially when Biafra and ND ally with that part to stop Arewa.

For those shouting the West/Israel will keep quiet

Should know that they do not keep quiet when their economic interest is concerned

Ojukwu anti-British bully b4 the civil war worked against him during the war

Ojukwu lack of understanding that world politics is not about truth/justice worked against him when he failed to accept Russia China France deal of oil for weapons.

Finally we won't repeat Ojukwu's folly

Today na friday


Abeg stay indoor b4 allahu arkbars start rioting.


Friday can be nasty and bloody.

Kponkwem: You very correct. In any case, I see no reason why the South East leaders should not openly seek cooperation with Isreal.
In USA several groups are showing support to Isreal against Hamas terrorist (provided innocent people are spared). During the Nigerian Civil War, Isreal and France were the only super powers that gave Biafra subtle support.

Isreal was hampered in entering fully for Biafra because it faced an international conflict against seven Arab states in 1967 which it defeated and claimed their lands.

But you can see that Isreal did well to secure basic infrastructure in Biafra. We can see the defences that protected factories, water facilities, hospitals, bunkers etc from being completely destroyed.

God bless

He doesn't know history of Nigeria uncivil war

Woman sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrapppppppppppppppppp



Buhari ruled Nigeria in the 1980s and wants to rule in 2015.


Pls can someone ask Buhari when my generation will rule Nigeria

Chartey: You were born human, then you said, "mba, I'll rather be an animal(leopard)". Now that you're thinking like an animal, how can I help you? Oya scamper away you this ebola-filled creature.

I will advise you to keep quiet

Politicians can be funny even with human lives

Let's wait for shecow to claim it

Besides

AIT showed the visitation by the people to Amaechi

They insisted that they are a distinct group .

torkaka: Is that the only truth you have learnt today? What of the airforce structure? Does it not scare you that the SE remains the only region without a command?
I have noticed how you stylishly draw the ND to your corner, that clearer shows you know the truth but deliberately shy away from it!!

If you study my comments

You will realise I am a realists

When war breaks out


Oil will be exchanged for weapons

This was the mistake Ojukwu made with the Soviets which the militants avoided.


When war erupts Biafrans/ND will exchange oil for weapons.

Chartey: I pray this happens in every location in Nigeria and some of the f.oolish people here are affected, so that we all realize nowhere has a monopoly of violence. Then when blasts and attacks happen in the north, people will be more sensitive.

Wait until shecow claim responsibility.


Even Amaechi might plan it.


So keep quiet and allow the real culprit surface.

torkaka: So in a nut shell, the military might of the south east revolves round what some guy might do one day as against what's factually on ground

END OF DISCUSSION!!

The only military industry in Nigeria is in Kaduna. That I won't deny because I believe in telling myself and people the truth unlike you


That is why

I am ringing it to the ears of SS/SE to consider using this opportunity to build an all purpose military industry in conjunction with private firms and higher institutions.


But as for acquisition of weapons

Biafrans and ND can exchange oil for weapons just as they did during the days of militancy.

torkaka: Again, dwelling on assumptions and fantasies, I showed you the structure of the nigerian airforce and how the south east is screwed. Let me also inform you that nigeria's defence industry which produces a riflle similiar to AK 47, SMG, GPMG, LAR as well as APC's and bullet proof vests is located in kaduna.

Again, seperate reality from from fantasy!!

Kaduna industry was built before the civil war

Even Ojukwu played a role during its formative age.


My friend

One thing in life is that if you keep talking somebody in position of authority might listern

That is why guys like me talk of building an all purpose arms industry

It shouldn't be surprised if somebody some day builds one in the SE/SS axis.

kettykin: I am sorry my bad , i never knew all these while about Annang region only knew the people existed side by side with Ibibio and i understand Ikot Ekpene is Annang but was not sure about Ikot Abasi which is Ibibio, which is close to Opobo where the current Army Chief (COAS K. Miniman) comes from

Thanks

Another reason why I suggested Annang instead of a more Southernly place

Is because

It time of war, the industry won't be easily captured because it is close to the hinterland

But placing it in a place like Bonny, will make it easier to fall to enemy invasion the way Enugu fell to Federal side.

chinolization: Just take note of the highlighted part! That is the same reason Nigeria is still a sleeping giant! You keep saying you are not read but you are over 40!

Do you know that the best way to start is just to start doing something. Even the Bible said that the works of our hands (positive works) will be Blessed. That is exactly what happened in the case of Innoson, he started by doing something! He started small, you must not start big!

You keep saying you are not ready while the likes of Innoson who declared themselves ready are building vehicle in 2014! If not for Innoson Nigeria would not have got to this height of development in the auto world.

Start doing something today and stop using the lazy man's slogan ''we are not ready for that yet''

Thank you

Don't forget that some people are jealous that Biafrans are taking the lead

They might bear monikers sounding Igbo just to kill our spirit



Biafra light of the Black race

kettykin: why annag Region of all places

Annang region is close to the ocean water that divides Akwa Ibom and Cross River

It means the industry will also build water war weapons vessels submarines etc alongside air and land weapons.

They are pro-Igbo


It is close to Igboland

Besides it will bring less suspicion and resistance by those who fear Igbos