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ObidientFC:
Reno is charlatan. All he knows is to throw subtle sub and insults.
It is an insult to mention Reno with David Hundeyin when it comes to Journalism.
David is an investigative journalist, Reno is a Twitter table shaker

tripplephi:
Bro. stop flogging a dead horse.... I ALREADY GAVE YOU ANSWERS TWICE.

This is a dead topic already.

Ebony7:
I will ask u just 2 very basic questions:
(1) if u are on ur way to church to pay ur tithe (and dt is d only money on u) and u come across an accident victim in dire need of money for treatment else he dies, what will u do? Tell him "it is well" and move on like d parable of d good Samaritan?
(2) If u have ppl in ur street knocking on ur door for assistance in feeding (esp during ds cv19 period) and d only money on u is ur tithe, what would u do? Tell them "it is well" and bolt the door?

Adexy4us:
Please what's the latest about this Pinefield school....they have been inviting me for weeks now.....anyone with a useful info?

Ebony7:
I've said it before, d only recorded details of preexistence is that of Jesus ~John/Abraham.
That of Abraham~Abel? It's not written that Abraham spiritually preexist Abel! Physically, Abel was d forerunner!

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Ebony7:
Owkayy, d underlined must have been d major cause of "heresy" as adduced by MizJanet and Jozzy4!
The symbol "~" as used in the underlined sentence was to convey /represent "as regards"! That is, "preexistence of Jesus as regards John and Abraham" (John 1v15 and John 8v56-58.
it wasn't meant to convey "John + Abraham preexisted"
Apologies for the mix up!

Ebony7:
I've said it before, d only recorded details of preexistence is that of Jesus ~John/Abraham.
That of Abraham~Abel? It's not written that Abraham spiritually preexist Abel! Physically, Abel was d forerunner!

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Ebony7:
Owkayy, d underlined must have been d major cause of "heresy" as adduced by MizJanet and Jozzy4!
The symbol "~" as used in the underlined sentence was to convey /represent "as regards"! That is, "preexistence of Jesus as regards John and Abraham" (John 1v15 and John 8v56-58.
it wasn't meant to convey "John + Abraham preexisted"
Apologies for the mix up!

Ebony7:
I ve said it before, d only recorded details of preexistence is that of Jesus ~John/Abraham.
That of Abraham~Abel? It's not written that Abraham spiritually preexist Abel! Physically, Abel was d forerunner!

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Ebony7:
Re: "Abraham's Bosom"
http://biblehub.com/greek/2859.htm

1. the front of the body between the
arms hence ἀνακεῖσθαι ἐν τῷ κόλπῳ
τίνος, of the one who so reclines at
table that his head covers the bosom
as it were, the chest, of the one next
him (cf. B. D. under the word ), John
13:23 . "Hence" the figurative
expressions, ἐν τοῖς κόλποις (on the
plural, which occurs as early as
Homer, Iliad 9, 570, cf. Winers
Grammar, § 27, 3; (Buttmann, 24
(21))τοῦ Ἀβραάμ εἶναι, to obtain the
seat next to Abraham, i. e. to be
partaker of the same blessedness as
Abraham in paradise, Luke 16:23 ;
ἀποφέρεσθαι ... εἰς τόν κόλπον
Ἀβραάμ, be borne away to the
enjoyment of the same felicity with
Abraham, Luke 16:22 (οὕτω γάρ
παθόντας — according to another
reading θανόντας — Ἀβραάμ καί
Ἰσαάκ καί Ἰακώβ ὑποδέξονται εἰς
τούς κόλπους αὐτῶν, 4 Macc. 13:16;
(see B. D. under the phrase,
Abraham's bosom, and) on the
rabbinical phrase אברהם שׁל בּחיקו , in
Abraham's bosom, to designate bliss
in paradise cf. Lightfoot, Horace,
Hebrew et Talmud., p. 851ff); ὁ ὤν
εἰς τόν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, lying
(turned) unto the bosom of his father
(God), i. e. in the closest and most
intimate relation to the Father, John
1:18 (Winers Grammar, 415 (387));
cf. Cicero, ad div. 14,4iste vero sit in
sinu semper et complexu meo.
2. the bosom of a garment, i. e. the
hollow formed by the upper forepart
of a rather loose garment bound by a
girdle, used for keeping and carrying
things (the fold or pocket; cf. B. D.
under the word ) ( Exodus 4:6 ;
Proverbs 6:27 ); so, figuratively,
μέτρον καλόν διδόναι εἰς τόν
κόλπον τίνος, to repay one liberally,
Luke 6:38 (ἀποδιδόναι εἰς τόν
κόλπον, Isaiah 65:6 ; Jeremiah 39:18
()).
3. a bay of the sea (cf. Italian golf only
(English gulf — which may be only
the modern representatives of the
Greek word)): Acts 27:39
.

Jozzy4:
Kai . See the color , see how u nicely render the story as parable , so Abraham Bossom is a FIGURATIVE expression ?

Jozzy4:
Oga , any idea that doesnt have a biblical record is an error


Haba! God didnt do such... No wonder she called u heresy master , Jesus makes it clear that he is the only person that come from heaven ( John 3:13 )

Jozzy4:
Oga , any idea that doesnt have a biblical record is an error .


Haba! God didnt do such... No wonder she called u heresy master , Jesus makes it clear that he is the only person that come from heaven ( John 3:13 )

MizJanet:
john and Abraham also came down from heaven ?


Mr. Heresy you said The greek word rendered bossom means " side" , abrahams side NOT Location beneath the earth.

That means hagar go to a location beneath the earth ? Gen 16:5

Ebony7:
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Hahahahahahahaha.
.......... d underlined though.
There's nothing heretic in what I said, which, for d avoidance of doubt, I've requoted.
Let me re-explain.
It's not recorded that Abraham spiritually preceded Abel. [/u]But "is it possible?" seems 2 be getting in d way here.
"Is it possible? " in this context is" does God Almighty have the [u]Power/capability to do it?".
This is what I meant, that's why I asserted that "if He can do it for one, Jesus in ds case, He can jolly well do it for whosoever He wills", Psm 135v6, Lk1v37.
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Do you believe Jesus Christ existed before John and Abraham?

MizJanet:
Keep fighting with jesus and your bible .
Jesus : " Only the son of man has came down from heaven " John 3:13

Ebony7 : " thats a lie , people like Abraham also pre - exists spiritually before they physically came as human "

Ebony7:
Truthfully, there's no Biblical record pinpointing that. So, I can't say a "yes/no"!
Conversely, if u had asked me, "is it possible" for Abraham to preexist Abel?"
I'll say yes, it's possible!
How and why? There indeed is a precedence - d Jesus~John/Abraham scenario (Jn 1v 15, Jn 8v 56-58).
Thanks.

MizJanet:
Heresy ! Heresy
This is exactly what happen when you are teaching lies - assumptions , twisting , false reasoning e. T.c

Heresies on this thread :

A) you first said : Abraham bossom is a place beneath the earth ,

after you were caught red handed:

You said : Abraham bossom mean Abraham's arm , or side .

B ) to make it fix in with the direct and logical question : how can Abel go to the bossom of a man born many years later ?

You replied twistin some verses only to confess later that both agree that jesus is older spiritully . therefore void ur usage of dat verse

Now @ bold, u cant say yes/no , but yet you will twist som verse to say yes .

MizJanet:
Abel exist before Abraham ? Yes Or No

MizJanet:

Loooooolssss , Abraham pre - exist Abel .

That means Abraham came down from heaven like bible Jesus . Shey ?

You are actually telling me that Jesus Lied , when he said he is the only one that has come down from heaven _ john 3:13

Jesus : " no man has ever been to heaven except the one [ Jesus] who came from heaven , the son of man "

Ebony7: Stop lying , even abraham pre - exist and come down from heaven.

MizJanet:
According to Christians Jesus preexist his birth, so your question is both dumb
and silly

Did Abraham Preexist Abel ?

MizJanet:
Your friend said john the baptist is older than Jesus. So John definitely lied when he said Jesus is older . while trying to defend his heretic theory

So whats ur point with the stuff u wrote above ?

MizJanet:
@ red _ Thats where the problem lies , how can Abel die and go to the side of a man called Abraham [size=20] who is not yet born? [/size]

MizJanet:

Even though they are not born again , shey ?


So Jesus was lying when he said " UNLESS any man is born again " ?

MizJanet:



...... tell me - how can Abel die and go to the bossom of a man called Abraham who is not yet born ? ? ?

MizJanet:

See delusion .

dont play Ludo game here , ur bible said Abraham BOssom , nw what is a bossom ? Literally "A persons chest position"

E.g john 13:23 - an apostle rest on the BossoM of Jesus . Not some crazy place beneath the soil but His chest position . Thats the meaning of bossom. Simple english

The bossom of the man , Abraham refers to the chestlike position of the man called Abraham .[/b]

MizJanet:
What is Abraham BOSSOM ? - clue: Gen 16:5

MizJanet:

You forget that those men aint born agains, yet they see the kingdom of God , which clearly contradict Jesus word that "unless any man is born again " .

I like the way you people contradict yourselves .

then you just prove Jesus is not the way , Daniel nd moses made heaven without Jesus dying for their sins ? Yes Or No