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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19pm On Mar 09, 2015

So someone can blame Jones for tonight? Jones has no single blame tonight. Among all the defenders he was the only one who had no error. Smalling could have had two errors, even Jones had to rescue one of the situations.

Too bad Valencia couldn't complete that pass. When you pass to the goalkeeper, you can as well chase the ball backward and help to shield out any error.

The substitution of Herrera proved costly. But the idea was understandable. Without the error leading to that goal, we had actually successfully neutralize Sanchez and Oxlaide.

Fellaini can't play beyond 45 minutes. He resort to playing rough when he gets tired.

Di Maria final balls/decisions did not just work well. It's look like he is in for a long ban.

Januzaj over does things.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:51pm On Mar 09, 2015*

Rafael gets a promotion to the bench.

Rojo will always start. Smalling and Jones fight for the other spot.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48pm On Mar 09, 2015

United: De Gea; Valencia, Smalling, Rojo, Shaw; Blind, Herrera; Di Maria, Fellaini, Young; Rooney.

Subs: Valdes, Rafael, Jones, Carrick, Januzaj, Mata, Falcao

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:37pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
PFA is a popularity contest. the same PFA put bale over nani in 10/11. their stats had something different.

PFA two seasons. (PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS)

whoscored (INDEPENDENT COMPUTER RATING)

squawka (INDEPENDENT RATING BASED ON COMPUTED DATA)

EPL official rating (COMPUTER RATING FROM MATCH DATA)

Hazard won all.

* Bale did better than Nani 'cos Bale was a deep player overlapping to score from defensive position.

coogar:
my app can do that - every key pass & assists can be accounted for. hazard still loses - start praying hazard gets his mojo back in the 10 games remaining cos this matter shall be revisited.

see you after the game, time to go chop

YouR app will tell you it's 75 CCs for Hazard if it's a true app. grin

Silva can never beat Hazard. Hazard is even passing the ball better than Silva as we speak. And Silva plays nearly half of the matches from the middle. It's easier to get goals, assists and CCs from the middle than from the wing.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:25pm On Mar 09, 2015

Coogar fraudulently deducted 1 key pass from Hazard which puts him above SIlva on per minute no matter whose figures were used.

Any way the professional footballers who play against them have spoken. Plus EPL official rating.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:20pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
what has this gotta do with favouritism? someone must have made an error with the stats. 3 independent sources cannot be wrong with 1789 minutes. even my opta app has it as 1789 mins. yours got 1801 mysteriously. you better send them an email that coogar said their stat compilation is fraudulent.

silva's superiority since 12/13......

case closed!!!

Hazard is the king. Their colleagues have consistently voted Hazard as the better player plus official EPL index.

Whoscored can account for every Hazard 75 key passes which puts him above Silva when drilled down to per minute. Can your squawka do that? No.

Argument is over.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:51pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
that is because they have fraudulently beefed up silva's league minutes. they added 12 ghost minutes to silva's number to spruce the stats towards hazard. 3 independent sources have it at 1789, where did whoscored get 1801?

you lost the argument in october & you have lost it again in march.

hazard & cesc are teammates - what do you expect him to say? if cesc had found himself in stoke, he would say victor moses is the ronaldo of EPL.

opinion is different from facts - stats are facts!

there's no football talk to go into.....
silva has murdered hazard since 12/13. of course, hazard can go on and be better than ronaldo & messi but as of today, silva is superior. hazard is the more marketable player, he has more value but on the field of play, silva na baba & i have proof......

So whoscored has favourite? Ukwu!!! Whoscored is able to measure the entire duration of a match to the nearest seconds. So I pick their time.

Give up already. Hazard is rated higher by players who play against them every week, and by football authorities, coaches and official rating of EPL.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:48pm On Mar 09, 2015

Hazard is the better footballer just as EPL professional players voted in past seasons.

* In the last two seasons (2012/13 and 2013/14) PFA players of the year, Hazard featured while Silva didn't.

* In the last two seasons (2012/13 and 2013/14) PFA X1 Hazard was voted while Silva wasn't.

NOW TO CURRENT SEASON
* whoscored:
Hazard 8.03 best in EPL. Silva 7.46

Squawka: Hazard 1,286 performance score, Silva 583 performance score. (Fabregas sef na 746)

EPL official rating:
Hazard 670 index points (attack 88 defence 44), fans rating 7.5. Overall EPL position 1st.

Silva 479 index points (attack 85 defence 40), fans rating 6.89. Overall EPL position 13th.

Meanwhile, Rooney has now overtaken RVP in EPL index points by four steps upwards. grin

Case closed. The authorities have spoken, not any computer pundit. grin

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:44pm On Mar 09, 2015

Even if you use 74 key passes for Hazard instead of 75, Silva is just slightly ahead by seconds. Not even up to a minute.

Okay, let me leave this megedefede stat talk and enter real football talk.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:41pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
whoscored is a shyte site!
hazard has only created 74 chances, if 6 were assists, 68 would be key passes. if whoscored cannot even provide silva's number of minutes accurately, why would you believe them to know the number of chances hazard has created?

Why shouldn't I believe them? All their stats have always corresponded with OPTA- your football 'holy book'.

In per minutes, they put Hazard above Silva.

coogar:
give up, hazard is inferior to silva in the last 3 seasons as far as creativity is concerned. seek other independent sports site and you would soon ditch whoscored as your holy grail.

Not at all. The argument is just about to start. I only decided to follow your narrow line of argument. Time to open it. I will now start from where I started in Ocgtober. You remember Fabregas endorsed Hazard as Messi of EPL. oK WAIT! cheesy

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:33pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
where did he say that?
provide proof!

you are a liar, 3 independent sources claim silva has played 1789 minutes. whoscored has failed you again.

you are an illiterate
hazard's 6 assists are already included in the 74 created chances. where did you see the 80 figure you are using to divide?

mgbeke feeling funky about stats.
lookie....the stats read -

74 created chances
68 key passes
6 assists.

you dey add assists to created chances? was that what whoscored taught you to do? elampawa - lying to the universe since 1789.

created chances = key pass + assist
74 = 68 + 6.

in order to lie to us that you are well rounded about football stats, you added created chances to assists.

elampawa - you nor go keeeee me.

whoscored recorded 75 key passes for Hazard. And you said he had separate 6 Assists which are not part of the key passes.

I am following your definition.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:26pm On Mar 09, 2015

Coogar, forget your chart. Do the maths yourself using even your figures.

Hazard 2386 = 2386/80 = 29.82

Silva 1789= 1789/59 = 30.32

Working: Hazard 74 key passes plus 6 Assists = 80 chances created.
................Silva 56 key passes plus 3 Asiists= 59 chances created.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:19pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
why would sircumalot suddenly back out? he was more of a fan of hazard than you are. he said he scoured all the relevant stats on the internet & there has never been a time hazard was better than silva.

he then said he was sure hazard would do better than him this season. that was in october, this is march & silva still reigns supreme.

That was his personal opinion and he also told you to stop twisting his statement to score cheap points for yourself.

coogar:
elampiro - stop lying now.
silva has only played for 1789 minutes this season. where did you see 1801 minutes? why do you lie like this na?

You resort to calling someone a liar when you have lost an argument. Some other times you insult.

Go and check whoscored and confirm those figures. May be your chart didn't include added time by 4th official. However, even if you use your figures Hazard still won.

Hazard 2386/80= 29.82
Silva 1789/59= 30.32
Using Coogar's figures Hazard won again.

I wonder if the chart you are parading is not stale

coogar:
elampawa, you have a knack of always lying when you lose in arguments. why are you distorting the facts? why?
you even lied about silva's number of minutes when 3 different sources prove he's played only 1789 minutes, you had it as 1801.

Even if your figures are used, Hazard still won. I didn't need to use calculator to know this.

What are these three different sources? Have you checked whoscored? But now do the arithmetic yourself using your 'un-lied' figures. grin

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:50pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
you didn't agree because you are donkey-stubborn. all the other guys including sircumalot changed their opinion when they saw the stats that proved silva's superiority.

I am not aware anyone changed his opinion. Sircumalot was the only one who backed out.

coogar:
are you sure about this?

Your chart is very wrong, perhaps stale.

Silva 1801 mins, 56 + 3 = 59.
therefofre: 1801/59= 30.52 mins a chance created.

Hazard 2391 mins, 74 or 75 + 6= 80
therefore: 2391/80 = 29.88 per a chance created.

Hazard won.

coogar:
you were the that jumped into it with irrelevant stats. the stats i provided originally highlighted chances created - you brought key passes to it

No, the stat you provided had key pass and you thought that was chances created. Then when the arguement became heated, you went to research and discovered your goof. grin

Remember too at this time last year you argued that chances created was same thing as key pass. You realized there was a difference only today.

Otherwise, how do you explain the fact that you said Silva has 56 chances created? Ukwu!!!

coogar:
i dey laugh ö!

What's funny?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:59pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
how's hazard the better footballer?
in the last 3 seasons, silva has destroyed hazard in the stats that matter. sircumalot asked me to wait & see what happens this season way back in october when we had this debate. the power hasn't shifted.

We did not agree then. You had your points and I had mine.

coogar:
despite the fact that hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch, with 2 awoof penalties.....he hasn't outscored david silva. then again, the stats you are looking on whoscored is key passes........it's different from chance created.

simple arithmetic -
chance created = key pass + assist.

So which one do you want us to discuss? Hazard will extend his defeat over Silva if the argument were to shift from key pass to chances created.

coogar:
key pass is a pass that led to a shot on target(excluding the ones that led to goals). chance created is a pass that led to a shot on target(including those that led to goals)

Whoscored has key pass, not chances created.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:45pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
keypass excludes the passes that led to goals. this stat is irrelevant.

Yes, it's just the key passes as recorded by whoscored. Assists have their separate stat.

Whoscored has the total as:

Hazard. Long 1, short 74
Silva: Long 3, Short 53.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:53pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
how's hazard the better footballer?
in the last 3 seasons, silva has destroyed hazard in the stats that matter. sircumalot asked me to wait & see what happens this season way back in october when we had this debate. the power hasn't shifted.

despite the fact that hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch, with 2 awoof penalties.....he hasn't outscored david silva. then again, the stats you are looking on whoscored is key passes........it's different from chance created.

simple arithmetic -
chance created = key pass + assist.

key pass is a pass that led to a shot on target(excluding the ones that led to goals). chance created is a pass that led to a shot on target(including those that led to goals)

I will be back in 30 mins.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:51pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
hehehehe
excuses have started pouring in for hazard. do you even read what you are reeling out from whoscored?

Yes na.

Whoscored has this:
Key pass per minutes:
Hazard mins: mins played 2391, key pass X mins 31.9 long kp/min 2391 short key pass/min32.3

Silva mins: mins played 1801, key pass X mins 32.2, long 600.3 short 34

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:44pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
it's 74, not 75.

Okay, but it's just marginal. I just think Hazard is the better footballer. Even, he has better pass accuracy from wing.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:35pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
1789/56 = 31.95 - silva
2386/74 = 32.24 - hazard

silva is quicker to create a chance than hazard. assist is a team-stat, not an individual stat. it's obvious that city's strikers have been horrible this season especially when aguero wasn't fit. 56 chances resulting to 3 silva assists is poor(that's the empirical evidence)

But whoscored recorded 75 key passes for Hazard. Not 74.

There is also a little difference in Silva's time. His time is 1801 which 32.16/min.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:12pm On Mar 09, 2015

coogar:
hazard

10 goals
8 non-penalty goals
6 assists
74 chances created
2386 league minutes.

silva

10 goals
10 non-penalty goals
3 assists
56 chances created
1789 league minutes

what more evidence do people need to see that silva is 5 times better than hazard. this is the 3rd season in a row that silva is wiping the toilet seat with hazard.

But your stats says Hazard won on per minutes in regards to Assists and Key Passes. Silva only won on goals, despite playing almost half of his games as Central Attacking Midfielder- Hole.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:07pm On Mar 09, 2015

homesteady:
https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/B_pKnwlU8AAsBJG.jpg

Ivanovic and Terry have 7 goals in the EPL. Or are you counting goals from capital 1 cup? Where the other two did not play?

Di Maria and Falcao have only played 2,500 minutes together in the EPL. Ivanovic and Terry have 5,000 minutes together.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:40am On Mar 09, 2015

As if football were about statistics only.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19am On Mar 09, 2015

parrotibaba:
@coogar leave d fооls dat still think Moyes was better dan LVG ...de can hit dia heads on a stone for all we bloody care ...d whole world knows d truth ,LVG n Moyes can never be compared in dis life or d other...

good night folks

@ bolded, So you can get pained from insults yet you insult people.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:22pm On Mar 08, 2015

sailorxy gnite . gaal has a job only cos we just sacked one. bye

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:15pm On Mar 08, 2015

I am think d Sunderland game was an outstanding game for us and a win was needed badly with two more easy games to go.

we lost it at home and we were bitter with ourselves here for a missed opportunity.

gnite

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:06pm On Mar 08, 2015

giggs played 4 matches not 3

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:02pm On Mar 08, 2015

See this toxic inputer telling lies. Memory has left him. What we all discussed last season.

Good night

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:56pm On Mar 08, 2015

See you guys tomorrow.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:54pm On Mar 08, 2015*

SailorXY:
Mr eliepiro according to someone; did you miss this post? now who is confused?

Gaal has failed and everyone is complaining. At the start of the season, you guys all agreed here that Gaal should finish 3rd by default.

I just pray we finish 4th because we are so disadvantaged in the fixtures.

Gaal has failed because he has made some of the best strikers in the world to look mediocre.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:36pm On Mar 08, 2015

After Moyes had left, this strong team lost a golden chance to move into 6th. Their first sexy win under Giggs was enough to inspire them.

D de Gea (G) 1
P Evra (D) 3
P Jones (D) 4
R Ferdinand (D) 5
N Vidic (D) 15 Yellow card
(66) J Mata (M) 8
M Carrick (M) 16 Yellow card
(52) Nani (M) 17
(67) A Young (M) 18
D Fletcher (M) 24
J Hernandez (F) 14

B Amos (G) 40
C Smalling (D) 12
L Valencia (M) 25
M Fellaini (M) 31
(52) A Januzaj (M) 44
(67) D Welbeck (F) 19
(66) R van Persie

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:34pm On Mar 08, 2015

Leyqute:
Shey u no c say the team dey play woefully before DDG committed the error?

Because the forward players were not professional enough by scoring their goals when opportunities abound. As usual, Sunderland had to come search for a goal with few minutes to go. Not Moyes fault.

Same kind of players Gaal featured playing 3-5-2 and lost to MkDons grin

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