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coogar: there's a difference between match fitness and getting injured in a game. rio/vidic were not match-fit and they picked injuries during the west brom game according to fergie's initial assessment....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8701545/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-defends-David-de-Gea-after-rocky-start-to-Premier-League-life.html

coogar: nonsense statistics....
scholes alone is not a partnership, why are you exhibiting the daftness of a snail? in those games scholes featured, he must have played with several combinations in the midfield. scholes/carrick, scholes/giggs, scholes/fletcher, scholes/fergie.....

how then do you work out which partnership works the most from that various sets? it's one thing to be wrong and raise ones hands, it's another thing to be stretching the borders of daftness with your argument! fact remains anderson/cleverley offers the best win % at old trafford....

coogar: how many minutes did they play against city? 45 mins each!

fergie said after the west brom game....


so are you going to admit now that you have been lying all along that rio/vidic went off because fergie wanted to push up the field?

coogar: rio/vidic weren't fit......
they had only played 45 mins before the game against west brom. they had to be managed to bring them up to speed. substituting them was always going to happen in that game and the manager's hands were forced when they both limped off!



daft statement!
statistics are facts compiled by opta....that chart shows where passes are made and received and it's not different to what evans and jones did after rio/vidic got subbed! the players who contributed to the winner were anderson/cleverley, the wingers and the strikers.

coogar: so how's jones different to what rio did before he was subbed or are you dyslexic? why are you still lying after you have been found out? rio occupied the same zone evans/jones did. the younger players did nothing extraordinary!



stop lying!
you are a pathological liar - if you have any iota of decorum left in you, you would log out instead of defending your idiotic theory that rio/vidic don't play high up the pitch.....

coogar: that's the point.....
you don't need to explain any further because there's nothing to explain. you have been found out as a liar. I would post anderson and cleverley's impact in the game to destroy the argument!!!



defenders always have a high percentage of pass completion. their passes are mostly in an unmarked area. what's there to party about? anderson made 96% pass completion in the midfield with cleverley not lagging behind!



who cares about the run made before the pass - my chart has shown jones/evans barely crossed the halfway line and they did not decide the outcome of the match - QED!!!

coogar: what a fool!
he highlighted jones and evans in the defence and conveniently missed the fact that berbatov came on even before jones did.



so if cleverley came on at half time to wrestle the midfield away from city, why then are you giving the credits to defenders. did the defenders play in the midfield? lololol.



you are a liar....
united were in supreme control of that game until de gea's mistake. we scored so early with anderson and cleverley out passing their markers! west brom scored against the run of play and their only threat to goal was putting immense pressure on de gea from set-pieces. the ref allowed them to keep fouling de gea.



another daft remark!
evra played 4, won 4. 4/4 is 100%

coogar: you are a fool of epic proportion!
we are talking about midfield combination and he's bringing the fat scouser into the equation! is rooney a midfielder or has your thalamus been infected with ebola?



this boy is a donkey....
rooney is not a partnership - the topic is about midfield partnership! i can as well say evra played in all those first 5 games that united won - that kind of argument tells me a billygoat must have intentionally urinated on your head as a toddler.



and the gibbon continues his gibberish!
you know lampbot has lost an argument when he switches to ebonics laced with the rambling of a photosensitive epileptic patient.



berba - golden boot winner
rooney - granny shaggër



yes, your oga would soon arrive!
better go get your broom and sweep the forecourt before you get sacked. oloshious fellow!

coded guy: In d last game of the season against west brom I think it was actually 5-2 before baba giggs came in.

coogar: your cognitive reasoning is flawed
anderson/cleverley is the best midfield partnership we have. it's no longer a fluke, we are talking about 7-8 games they have started together and maintaining 100% win ratio!

nobody ever said the other midfield combination won't pick up wins here or there but the anderson-cleverley is the best. use your common sense when arguing - why would the winning streak stop when the other midfield combo are also decent in their own rights? 100% win ratio is better than any combo you can come up with.

cleverley and anderson reign supreme!!!!



the winning continued and suffered massive losses after the injury to cleverley. however, united have not failed to win yet with anderson and cleverley starting together. the west brom 5-5 game you brought up clearly shows you are a retärd because united were coasting 4-2 when cleverley got subbed for #cough cough# ryan giggs at the hour mark!

should the partnership be blamed for the 3 goals west brom scored after cleverley had left the field of play? can you now see the daftness in your argument every fücking time you open your mouth? this is an open and shut case! in the last 5 years, only two different midfield combinations have given us 100% win ratio....

1) anderson + carrick + fletcher
2) anderson + cleverley

this is the education you cannot get on your facebook forum, you stinking swine!!!

coogar: please read the article i posted, i hate going round in circles. every man and his dog know anderson/cleverley outscore opponents. yes, they are defensively naive but winning the league is about outscoring opponents!



articles that rely on stats make sense to me. it's only when an article is opinion-centric that i condemn it. statistics are facts, opinions are not. the article i posted talked about cleverson's 100% ratio and the author called it the perfect partnership!



read with your eyes open



acute stupidity in display yet again...
scholes is not a partnership! stop talking out of your arsë, scholes played against spurs at old trafford and we lost shamefully!



so tell us about this arsenal partnership that started the season in the past.....and correlate with perennial champions like man utd! your ailment must either br daftness or lunacy......or both!

coogar: stüpidity at it's sterling quality......
it's tedious arguing with a man that does not understand the meaning of partnership!



thrashed fulham 2-1? where? on your super nintendo? you are so silly. we are talking about the period from the community shield to the bolton game and this one is talking nonsense!



mumu!!!



elampiro, if this article fails to educate you about the partnership that exists between these 2 players then you should find a long rope and hang yourself!

coogar: the points are idiotic - you won't punch through a wet paper bag with those insipid points of yours'



comprehending english is a big challenge to you. i said the midfield combination of anderson/cleverley in a 2-man midfield has 100% win ratio. is this daftness or what should i call this idiotic point of yours?



another moronic & irrelevant point. this is scraping the barrel. we are discussing midfield combination that serves us well not the stats of an individual player.



except that carrick started along with them and this was no 2-man midfield. you must not have been a bright student in school - the midfield combination of anderson/cleverley is the key! 2-man midfield not 3!!!! compare the games in the earlier part of 11/12 season we are talking about and tell us if there was an extra midfielder along cleverson!



another daft logic!
when rooney was on the bench against madrid, welbeck must be better than him. the question is simple. had nani started 30 games, how many goals/assists would he have generated? if he did not play many games - how is he poor? do players get rated poor for having injuries?

you are so daft when you argue!




if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
there was a reason they kept carrick out of the team that period. they were winning games for us against top sides. if cleverley wasn't injured, fergie would have kept playing them to win us games.




i don't bother about individuals - i bother about combination or partnership! i don't care about evra vs buttner stats. it's not partnership. lets discuss rio/vidic vs smalling/evans or jones/smalling.

the common factor in those 100% win ratio is the fact that
only anderson/cleverley patrolled the midfield aided by 2 out and out wingers! an extra midfielder or playing one of anderson/cleverley out of position contaminates the partnership. they are the only pass-n-move midfielders we have and this is why we always win with them working in tandem.

coogar: you are a miserable sod!
nani starting 7 games was due to his niggling injuries not because he's not good enough. how can you then say a player that didn't play too much part was poor? are you rectocranially inverted? chicharito was poor, nani was poor, young was poor, de gea was poor but.......rooney is king! if i earn 1 kobo for each time you have made stüpid remarks on this forum, i would be a trillionaire in pound sterling !



but i asked you to show me where i mentioned rafael/rio played against arsenal. you cannot find the evidence, you tomfool! lying through his teeth that vidic/rio slow us down when more often than not, de gea is the number one outlet, then the full backs before rio and vidic take proceedings. you must think this is your facebook forum - a haven of intellectually-sterile zombies you roll with.




you are a flaming triglodyte......
what can be better than 100% win of cleverson midfield. the midfield is the most important department of any team. the logic that rio/vidic creates gulf in the midfield is as stûpid as you!

united play in a compact way, when play is high up the field, the defence move up with them. when the opponents break, rio and vidic backtrack instead of playing a highline trying to spring the offside trap! like i said, no one else can top your football illiteracy......



you won't bother because every point you built skyhigh has been pulled apart brick by brick. rio/vidic partnership is the best when they are in form - only a plonker like yourself would argue otherwise....

SAF is a good man manager, he's not tactically sound!
any manager playing rafael/JS park in the centre of a midfield cannot be tactically astute. the finance team wants rooney out, SAF wants rooney out - he left him out of his squad deliberately in his farewell games! the writing is on the wall, adios rooney!

when he leaves, you can follow him to sunderland, you homoerotic simpleton!

I am not going to write any long article as I had made my point already.

1. Cleverly did not have a 100 percent win in 2011/12 season. He lost to Wigan, Bilbao and Ajax on his return.

2. Scholes was the real deal in 2011/12 season. Played 17 league matches, won 14, drew 2 (Everton and Chelsea) lost only to City. He was rested for the defeat at wigan and Newcastle .

3. Cleverly and Anderson started in the 5-5 draw against West Brown. So they dont have a 100 percent win the league in 2011/12.

4. Nani was on the bench many time even when he returned from injury and even didn't make the team list in some matches.

I am done with this argument.

coogar: you are a fool and you love making your own argument. rio played against west brom and against bolton. we scored before cleverley went off injured. i never at any time argued rio played against arsenal.



i never said rafael played in those few games at the start of 11/12 season. i only mentioned their names to destroy your argument that vidic/rio are too slow to transit the ball from the back to the forward players. my argument is - even if that's the case, we have enough fullbacks who can quickly transit the ball plus de gea's excellent distribution!



the assertion is stüpid!
there are 3 different outlets we can use to get the ball forward without rio and vidic! rio/vidic do not slow us down to launch attacks. rio is far comfortable on the ball than smalling and jones!



says the fool that only just realised we always win when anderson/cleverley form a midfield two in the middle. dailymail and bleacherreport cannot tell you such!



the most idiotic statement ever!
VDS has distribution? VDS that sends any backpass out of touch has distribution? de gea and pepe reina(both spaniards) are the best distributors of the ball in this league for the past 8 seasons or so...

then the rest of your horseshït is irrelevant to the topic of discussion. like i have said, anderson + cleverley in a midfield 2 of 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 gives us the best win percentage! we might concede a few than usual but the combination gives us so much offensively than throwing carrick into the mix!




you are a slowpoke!
nowhere in my comment did i say rafael/rio played against arsenal. if comprehension is your problem, get brighter grammar and study hard!



every fool and his dog know guardiola's team wins every game. he stood throughout the math rallying his men on to get the equaliser and win the game. cleverley came on, nicked the ball of busquets, fed owen and we won the game!



city's game at wembley is a manchester derby
that effectively nullifies your idiotic samples you brought out of your anus. any sane man would tell you there's no friendliness in a derby match!



manchester derby bears more significance than all these matches. you can lose a league game and still win the title. so your examples are null and void!



the number of matches they have started together is irrelevant. the single most important fact is united have not failed once to win any game both players have played together in the midfield!



berbatov won the golden boot that season with his goals getting us the premier league while the club was wasting money to help rooney lose some weight in america. this was the same rooney without a goal in open play until new year of that season......



they know far better than the decision makers at OT! keeping rooney is poison to the squad! i am sure his fellow professionals at OT must be tired of him. this was the same fat bastärd that wanted out in 2010 because he felt there's no quality in the team. the manager signed kagawa and RVP and the obese scouser wants to cop out......confused human being!



you are a consummate retärd!
the only united fans who sees arms when legs are shown to him. your idea of what a football squad should be only exists in a parallel universe. i doubt you even watch united until larry izamoje or AIT sports tells you who did well and who didn't....

according to you, nani was poor! after being told nani started only 7 league games, you closed your mouth. then chicharito was also poor until you were told his goal/min is the best in the league. you lack the intelligence to know the make up of a good player and with that being said, it's futile arguing with you.........

i can write everything you know about football on a mustard seed! you know nothing......

coded guy: Truth be told the fact still remains that ando/cleverly combo have always won us games regardless of how many they have been played together in, its still a 100% win rate, but all this conjectures about who and who were on the field when we won and lost games is irrelevant. Rooney and carrick have been on the field when we lost games.

The league will always be sorted out one way or the other, its 38games for christ sakes, any team that truely knows what it doing will be able to recover after a loss even if its due to a mistake of combination of players or someone was out of form or wrong tactics and strategy deployed. Man U regardless of the form of players or combination have proven time and time again that it knows how to navigate the league, the fact that Ando/cleverly combo have not lost a game, albeit the few they have played does not mean they will not lose someday. Well until that day.

The issue for me is EUROPE, we have not really pulled our weight in europe the way we should cos in the finals we had played in sentiments, dodgy ref decisions and complacency on the part of Fergie and the players most times made us lose to our opponents. I just want UNITED to be more convincing in europe.

coogar: this is biggest heap of bullshit i have read in a while. defenders helping attackers to do what? rio played in the games united won in the early part of 11/12, how come united were able to best spurs and arsenal by a huge score margin?

then you went about driving the ball from the defence. we have rafael, evra in the defence. we have de gea's excellent distribution and rio is no slouch in bringing the ball out of the defence. common sense should tell you rio runs with the ball more than smalling/jones in the defence so your argument is null and void'



guardiola's team don't play friendly games - they win every game they play so cut the bullshyte about it being a preseason game. the match attracted more crowd than a full-house emirates stadium and only a lunatic would suggest barca played to lose.

then your comeback theory is another pile of nonsense. all the teams you mentioned cannot even compare to the city team we destroyed! tottenham? everton? chelsea? who compares comebacks in home games to a neutral ground like wembley. then you mentioned chelsea - how's 3-3 the same thing as a victory? a draw is now a win?


minus de gea's gaffes in those 2 games, united dominated the games. the scoreline did not even reflect what went on in those games. united pounded teams in those early games including 8-2 win against arsenal.



giggs take which glory? what did giggs do between christmas and early february? it's not only giggs, it's cantona. i have told you the combination of anderson/cleverley gives us 100% win when they play in the midfield and you are throwing conjectures that giggs can take glory.....giggs can go eat a dïck!



what about the matches berbatov singlehandedly won when rooney was a spectator? did rooney not play against liverpool when berba got a hatrick? did rooney not play against blackpool when adam's cornerkicks worth £15m each were killing us? it's berbatov's brace and chicharito's goal that got us the 3 points.




fact remains rooney played and we lost 1-6 under rooney's watch at old trafford. rooney played and we lost. had berbatov started, we would have beaten city 4-0.



rooney is a liability.....
he should be sent as far away as possible from the squad. he's poison and he's no longer what he used to be. van persie won the golden boot in his debut season. berbatov won the boot after 2 seasons, ruud won it after one season.....mr. rooney's 9th season and he has nothing to show for it.

i just hope moyes promotes chicharito -
that's a striker that should be given the chance to thrive instead of relying on an overrated piece of featherweight like rooney. nobody wants rooney in united apart from his friends in the media. he's fat, mediocre and generally underperforms. the hype does not match his output!

coogar: defenders are not relevant. jones was a centre-half throughout that period bar the bolton game when he played as a right back. there's no way jones left his position as a centre-half to help united in the attack. stop lying to us.




except that the combo also beat city at wembley and they destroyed barcelona in the US. well done for your late discovery that they both played only 3 games and 24 mins against bolton, this is a man that was lying through his teeth that united played 3-man midfield before cleverley broke his foot that season.



did united win those matches convincingly or not? that's the question you should ask yourself. we have 100% win record with anderson and cleverley in the midfield. they played together again last season against fulham at old trafford. united won 3-2.



irrelevant to the discussion......
the period in focus was the between city game in wembley and bolton game.



of course, rooney was playing in the midfield that season, didn't he? rooney was playing as one of the 3-man midfield like you dishonestly claimed.



berbatov could not lift the team?
this is another evidence that this elampiro does not watch man utd. even rats know the circumstance at britannia on the day when chicharito was hacked off by stoke defender and owen had to come on to play in the striking role and berbatov playing in the hole.



rooney featured against city and united lost 1-6. where was rooney's magic when city was running riot at old trafford? where was rooney's magic when he featured against wigan and we lost to shaun maloney's goal?

rooney this, rooney that - overrated piece of garbage!!! the only striker rooney outperforms in united in the last 3 seasons is welbeck and maybe owen. berbatov, chicharito and van persie were considerably better than rooney by a country mile.

coogar: stop embarrassing yourself.....
we are talking about the period between the community shield against city and the bolton game(when cleverley broke his foot).

in that period, it was strictly cleverley/anderson. carrick was on the bench against west brom and spurs, carrick wasn't even in the squad against arsenal and he only came on agsinst bolton to replace an injured cleverley.

we did not play a 3-man midfield in that period, enough of your fact distortion.



what has this gotta do with the argument? tell us one game united played a 3-man midfield in the period we are talking about.



jones and smalling are defenders....
i fail to see how they contributed anything towards the attack. cleverley playing in that midfield changed the momentum. he wrestled the midfield away from toure and barry by his crisp movement and one touch football.

you should argue only when you watch games...

coogar: then mention the match anderson/cleverley 2-man midfield have lost in the history of man utd.



hogwash!
cleverley was sent in at halftime and the tide of the game
changed from then on. toure and barry couldn't cope with the pass-n-move, one touch football united served that evening. it's nothing to do with the defenders - jones/smalling were defending, not attacking....



this is another lie,
before kevin davies broke cleverley's foot, he was the only one that partnered anderson in a 2-man midfield. phil jones played as a defender throughout that period bar the bolton game when he deputised for rafael at right back position.

like i said, you don't watch united!



cleverley/anderson midfield have a 100% win record in the premier league! that's the fact - and we win games with them because the opposition cannot cope with fast transition of the ball.

how can anyone say united weren't a pass-n-move side that is similar to dortmund is ridiculous. you don't watch man utd. you only read dailymail. only anderson/cleverley are suited to the one touch football...

here's another evidence....

[img]http://teamwinning.files./2011/09/passing-move-pt-1-bolton.gif[/img]

[img]http://2.bp..com/-YuP0AUY0JO8/TqDXqwlsVxI/AAAAAAAAATI/q6M11fXVRXw/s640/short+passing+0.gif[/img]

coogar: hahaha - you watch united games more than me? from where? from your armchair? please don't make me laugh. you know nothing deep about united apart from the nonsense articles you read on dailymail. you said you would rate de gea after the season...so what's your verdict? still shyte?

how many times have they played in the central midfield since the day cleverley got injured? check this stat, united have won every game they have played with cleverley/anderson axis in the midfield! it's only when fergie added carrick, giggs or jones to disrupt the tandem that united produce crap performances!

watch the movement of the ball....

https://i.minus.com/iAgm2Di9mDb6P.gif

[img]http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/25soeo3.jpg.gif[/img]

coogar: those 5/6 games included city, arsenal and tottenham. 3 of the best top teams in england. like i said, you don't watch united enough to know what obtains....



how would you know when you didn't see them play in 11/12?




it left a big hole of shame in them. losing 0-7 in aggregate in a semifinal of elite europe.....are you kidding me?

coogar: and they had their asšes handed to them by bayern. i have never known any spectator scoring 7 unreplied goals in the history of football.



that's not what you said.....
the combination of rio and vidic wasn't there but rio himself was there in a lot of those games and united transited the ball without flaws. the key to that style of play is anderson and cleverley. the defence plays no part in one touch football!

coogar: records like conceding 7 goals over 2 legs, right?



rio/vidic were hardly present before cleverley got injured against bolton. why are you distorting the fact? what has rio/vidic gotta do with our attacking football that season?