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OAUTemitayo:
Please my mate Emaculate will not be around on the 21-25th of April.
He will be off coverage where he is going.
Please help us do something.

Fynestboi:
What are we to do sir?

OAUTemitayo:
Please my mate Emaculate will not be around on the 21-25th of April.
He will be off coverage where he is going.
Please help us do something.

pls help with the modification of the date sir. I will be going off coverage sir.

Neyoor:
Is the pre-match no more holding today?

Jeez! Is it not going to hold?

adaweezy:
How far....
I see you doing a great job Repping Ifelaw here.

Yes oooo.... IfeLaw: I belong!

Adaweezy!!!

danyel09:
Who is this one for Christ sake ? Does this place look like a law court or tribunal that you're telling me principles of natural justice ? smh indeed common sense is not common.

contrabanned

1. Fair hearing is the right of the people that must not be trampled upon. It can be brought up at anytime and at any place. Whenever there is a particular party seeking justice, the other party must be allowed to defend himself. it is common sense.

2. You first brought in the principle of natural justice - "nemo judex in causa sua"- into this discussion. If you want justice then, you should follow the second principle of natural justice which is fair hearing. The justice you want cannot be done without it.

3. I am done with you.

danyel09:
imagine, they closed my thread. The powers that be, this is [size=19pt]INJUSTICE[/size]

"14. Please search the forum before creating a new thread
on Nairaland."

The rule states that you should search the forum before creating a new thread on Nairaland. The question to ask is : What should we search the forum for? From the enforcement of the rule, we can deduce that we should search if our thread won't create a duplication. There is a thread for anything, allegation or chat resulting from this debate. You created another thread for this purpose when you know fully well that this thread is for that purpose. Your thread broke rule no. 14 of Nairaland Forum. And the Mods punished you accordingly, therefore, there is no INJUSTICE as you claimed.

Your thread broke the law - rule no. 14. By virtue of that, your thread became illegal. Illegality of your thread caused the mods to close your thread. Therefore, the closing of your thread is just and fair.

However, is it fair to say that the mods cheated you by closing down an illegal thread?

danyel09:
They deserved to win. Its a pity, Nigerians just like to defend themselves every damn time.

It's a principle of natural justice for everyone to defend him/herself when allegation is raised against him/her. It's the right of every citizen. Check section 36. You cannot condemn someone unheard: this means, you cannot condemn someone without listening to his/her defence. Your claim is faulty.

danyel09:
One thing is sure, the supposed judges are products of one school or the other, and it will come as no surprise if we have judges who are alumnus sitting over their alma mata's debate rounds. I give up, the rot is already too deep. Ive taken note of you and your cohorts though. I hope you make corrections in the next Nairaland Interschool Debate.

Are you saying that the judges who sat on the debate are alumni of the schools in question or what? If that's what you are saying, it would be appreciated if you can provide evidence to it. This evidence will give your outburst some credibility.

OAUTemitayo:
But there is power supply on campus na?
How can you go to Spider to charge every night when there are places nearer to you?
Are you sure you are not going to Spider to do .......... sir

There is no light in PG. Spider might be his department so that made him charge there... That's the nearest interpretation I can give to what he said.

Seriously? I just got a surprise from NISD3. I really appreciate your gesture. Ymodulus, Thank you so much.

graciousolo:
I don't know if I'm allowed to contribute here. I think emmaculate99 was probably referring to the Berlin conference in '1884/85' which led to the scramble for Africa, which is led to the almagamation in 1914.

yeah.... Thanks boss mi

horlapelumi:
I have replied already, through I don't really know how to use that feature.
Its easy to guess boss, u quoting sections previously gave me clue

smiles... we are one. We will chat on whatsapp sir.

horlapelumi:
Yes we are..... We had 3 students in the team from law and 1 from Science.

I would be honoured if you do.
Thanks Bro

Wow! dope! I have already sent you a pm. I am a law student too.

horlapelumi:
Congrats team OAU and OAUTemitayo. Wishing you the best in the last round.

A very big thank you to all our judges and adjudicators, we are really proud to be part of this process.
Fynestboi you are great! thank you very much.

Congratulations from Team Lasu, the best state University in Nigeria. #WE ARE LASU #WE ARE PROUD

Team LASU, you really did a very good job over there. You are really a rare gem.... I guess you both are law students. Can I chat you up?

I doff my fila for you.

We are all winners

Fynestboi:
TOTAL

OBAFEMI AWOLOWO UNIVERSITY: JUDGES W: 50 JUDGES X: 45 JUDGES: Y: 45


LAGOS STATE UNIVERSITY: 44 44 46.5



GRAND TOTAL OAU 140 LASU: 134.5




Winner: OAU. BESTdebater: OAUTemitayo 77.7%

OAUTemitayo, congratulations!!!

Fynestboi:
Here are Emaculate99 errors:

Was the amalgamation carried in 1984/85?

The Biafra declaration was in 1967, not 1963




Horlapelumi's article wasn't robust enough. Very few viable points. A good argumentative essay is one which maximises the number of viable points to buttress his arguement within the limited space given.




All in all, they did great.

My best contestant is Temidelaw. Although, he was very poor in his rebuttals. He needs to work on that.



Signed
Obinoscopy

Thank you sir. I really appreciate your correction sir.

The issue of Biafra declaration was a mistake. I wanted to write 1967. This mistake would have been discovered if I had run a check on it. I would have done so if I was not preparing for an examination which is to hold tomorrow.

About the issue of amalgamation stemming out of 1984/85. What I meant is that the 1884/85 Berlin conference allows for the 1914 amalgamation.

Thank you sir for pointing my attention to these. I will be more careful next time.

"Before colonialism, there was nothing like Northern Nigeria, before the Sokoto Jihad, there was nothing like Sokoto Caliphate. The man from Kano regards himself as Bakane. The man from Zaria was Bazzage... the Yoruba were Ijebu, owo, Ijesha, Akoko, Egba. The colonialist came, put that together and said it is now called the Northern (protectorate)... our grandfathers were able to transform to being Northerners. We have not been able to transform to being Nigeria." This were credited to Emir Sanusi Lamido
From this, it can be asserted that, amalgamation which was meant to make us an entity failed because we are not ready to be regarded as a member of such entity. This is not far fetched from the lack of consultation and the imposition of amalgamation placed on the people. If the 1914 amalgamation was made with recourse to the people's interest, Nigeria would have been better today and we would have transformed themselves into "Nigerians".

horlapelumi:
I then asked if you would have preferred the French to colonise us instead and not merge us like they did not merge Benin Republic.

Be that as it may, Implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather implicitly granted by a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction). Applying to this instance, there was consent arising from the actions of our people to the proclamation as there was Zero disapproval. Who knows if there has been such, the British government would have had a rethink then

I think you are going out of the scope of the debate with this question.

Silence is not an implied consent. Though, you might argue that if they had spoken when they ought to have spoken, it will be taken as an implied consent. But you should know that these people were conquered by the British, the British ruled them without given them a chance in the helm of the affairs before amalgamation. The British has an undue influence over these people and they made used of their undue influence in imposing amalgamation over them because they know that most of the parts of the company had been conquered by them and others had been induced to leave their affairs into their hands, they cannot protest. it is necessary for the british government to act in the interest of the ruled and not their interest because of the influence they have over them. From this, you will understand that their inability to protest is not as a result of their approval but as a result that they were incapacitated with the aforementioned. Therefore, their silence is not an implied consent.

Umennajiego:
the possibility for such was thwarted by chief obafemi awolowo in the western house of assembly when I canvassed and bribe some ncnc members to cross carpet... This not only stamp ethnic politic but also introduced cross carpeting in Nigerian politics

Although, this allegation is enough to introduce cross carpeting in Nigerian politics, it is not enough to introduce ethnic politics. The mindset of the people is what brought about ethnic politics. Just like an Igbo cannot contest in the west, he cannot contest in the north. This applies to all other regions.

horlapelumi:
Not at all, I only interpreted your write up and was not sure of what i was reading which was what necessitated the question. As it stand that is the nearest interpretation for that write up

Ok, what was written there is that the amalgamation is done arbitrarily without recourse for people's interest. I gave a premise to support that, that if Benin Republic is part of the portion given to Britain, Benin Republic would have been amalgamated with Nigeria because it is a portion of Britain. My conclusion in that write up is that Britain did the amalgamation process without any recourse for people's interest. They did it arbitrarily. The arbitrariness necessitated the appellation, "mistake" given to it.

horlapelumi:
So are you saying it was a mistake that we were even colonized by Britain?

Stick to the basics. We are talking about the amalgamation of Nigeria in 1914 and we cannot but talk about it being a mistake of Britain. Saying that I am talking about the fact that it was a mistake Nigeria was colonised by Britain is like drawing people's attention away from the main topic

labienyce:
Team OAU. . You said the amalgamation was a mistake and we should have being a different country because of difference in religion, custom, tradition, morals and to a large extent ethos.. Given that the country consists of over 250 ethnic groups.. are you indirectly saying there should be 250 countries instead of one ?

This is a good question.
If justice will be done, let there be 250 countries. What we are concerned of is that amalgamation of the country will not be a mistake if the people were consulted. I believe if the people were consulted, some would choose to be joined while some would reject it. Apart from that, we have empires in the present day Nigeria before the advent of colonialism. These empires supposed to be allowed to grow into countries and not the other way round.

horlapelumi:
Nothing is stopping an Igbo man from contesting such election, even the constitution is not doing that so why can't he if he would win.

Do you still remember "die in lagoon" slogan? That slogan will be resurrected when an Igbo man tries to do that. Apart from that, he will be told the history of his life that Lagos belongs to the West and not the East (Igbo).

horlapelumi:
Do well to read up Tafawa Balewa independence speech too and try to compare with his stand on amalgamation, the fact that the speech came from him does not give it credibility over my conscience. This are just persons in power that wants to manipulate the whole thing for their own benefits. Why should we continue to be misguided by them? Maybe if you can point out 5 minorities that gave a similar stand as at that time i would subscribe to your point.

Also, Niger is different from Nigeria and so is Chad and Benin, what is good for Nigeria might not be good for them. Maybe that is why they were not amalgamated.

thank you

The location which happened to be the present day Nigeria was the portion given to Britain and which was enclosed by the portion given to France. France unlike Britain, thought of the people to some extent and chose not to amalgamate the communities in the said portion. The France portion that enclosed Nigeria later became what is regarded to as Chad, Benin Republic and Niger today. If not for the identification of the incompatibility of the people in the country, France would have amalgamated this portion like Britain to aid administration and economic purposes.

The thing is Britain did this amalgamation of a thing arbitrarily without recourse for the people's interest. If Benin Republic should be a portion given to Britain, don't you think it will be amalgamated with Nigeria just for economic and administration purpose?

horlapelumi:
You also fail to recognize the fact that Nigeria accommodates different religions, tribe and system of law. The constitution gives no room for state religion, is that the crime?
For the hausas clamoring for Sharia, they can easily get it because the constitution provides that "there shall be for any state that requires it a sharia court" and also "there shall be a shariah court of appeal of the federal capital territory". what else do the want? All this excuses of tribal differences and religious differences are like fisher men arguments, they hold no water in laws and in facts.

yeah, the country gives no room for state religion but is that the position in real life? it is just a provision of the constitution which is not practicalised fully. Most people in the Northern states believe that the religion in the North is Islam.

If I am to follow your logic, then an Igbo can contest for the post of Lagos state governor. Why? Because Nigerian constitution provided that a man will qualify to contest for the position of the state governor if he is not in aberration with Section 182 of the 1999 constitution

cyndylove64:
oau i have a question?if amalgation was a historic mistake am sure the educated elites clamouring for independence neva saw it as a mistake.bsyd we all know that if nigeria was not amalgamated d yorubas fulani nd igbos will all be consumed by greed.now nigeria was founded as far bak as 11century.now my question is.will u have preferred war to being amalgamted.or do u tink the educated elites saw the amalgamatiin has a mistake.what country wasn't to form a state.again sum 1 said isreal was born out oof a single tribe through jacob..hmmmm.it is said absolute power corrupts absolutely.amalgamation is not the problem or mistake bt hunger for power d greed of it.if not for amalgamation were will decomarcy lie.thank you

1. the educated elites found it to be a historical mistakes before independence and after independence.
2. Nigeria was not founded in the 11th century
3. 1914 amalgamation is a mistake because there was no consultation of the people. If the people were consulted and were allowed to make their own decisions based on their interest, the amalgamation will not be a mistake.
4. Yeah, powers corrupt, absolute powers corrupts absolutely. Corruption cannot be said not to be one of the problems of Nigeria but the amalgamation is a mistake because the people were not consulted before their amalgamation.
5. If there is no amalgamation, there will be democracy. Amalgamation is not a basis for democracy.