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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:51pm On Mar 28, 2016

horlapelumi:
This same set of people that have been conquered successfully fought for independence? Even after independence they never talked about discarding amalgamation. Yet you think they are not happy with it? Lets be logical a bit; British goverment of then would do anything to keep Nigeria under them but they could not because people rose and stood their grounds and even with little objection among themselves they won the course. What do you think would take this people to fight against amalgamation? Just voices of the minority would surfice but such voice was not raised simply because they were contempted with it.

Try to find out if everyone from Benin, Chad and Niger speak the same language. That can give you a clue.

How can an uneducated fight the Europeans? In 1914, most Nigerians were uneducated but they were able to fight for their independence because some of them became educated. Those who became educated then fought their independence out. Check your history book well.

The people making up Nigeria discarded amalgamation.
“The southern Nigerians who are swarming into this region daily in large number are really intruders… they are not welcomed here in the North. Since the amalgamation in 1914, the British has been trying to make Nigeria one country, but the Nigerian people are different in every way including religion… We here in North, take it that Nigeria’s unity is not for us.” – Tafawa Balewa.

“The mistake of 1914 has come to light” – the Sardauna of Sokoto.

“Nigeria is not a nation, it is a mere geographical expression … to which life was given by the diabolic amalgamation of 1914, that amalgamation will ever remain the most painful injury inflicted on the Southern Nigeria.” – Obafemi Awolowo.

The Biafran (Igbo) fought for their independence because they believe that the amalgamation is nothing to write home about - a mistake!

from this, we can deduce that the south and the northern part of Nigeria talked about the evil of amalgamation.

The Northern and Southern protectorates have different languages like Niger, Chad and Benin and yet, Nigeria was amalgamated by Britain. France, the country that colonised these countries know the mistake she will be making, she chose not to amalgamate the countries.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:42pm On Mar 28, 2016

Timidelaw:
This as well as your last question makes me feel you are yet to get the topic. 1914 Almagamation; an Historical mistake(I blatantly oppose this). What exactly are we saying? It's simply not the act(cause we are not responsible for that) but the result(which we should take full responsibility for) So why even tell us all what the British guys have said?

Can you ask your question expressly?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:42pm On Mar 28, 2016

horlapelumi:
This argument of yours is almost brilliant but not brilliant, considering the fact that you fail to consider the reason for the agitation and when has this agitation been on. Do we have to trace this calls to an act of 1914? Do we have to be fooled by our leaders who are harping their failure on amalgamation instead of working out their lapses?
Well the reason for all the calls for Peace is simple; ’Nigerians love being together, only few people play up issue of regionalism and tribalism. Our problem is accentuated by few individuals. It requires evaluation and the need to explore our diversity for strength and unity. Wherever you find yourself look at what unite you

Wow! Only few people play up issues of regionalism and tribalism? Come to nairaland or go to any place where tribal issue is being discussed, i guess you will understand that tribalism is not a thing of the few; it has eaten deep into the Nigerian institutions and every aspect of people's life. Just imagine, the Mile 12 violence and so many violence became so heated up as a result of tribalism.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:37pm On Mar 28, 2016

horlapelumi:
In answering that, i would like you to know that an implied consent is deem to be legal consent in law. consider the reactions of our people when the proclamation was made, no agitation against it whatsoever which simply means, go ahead, we are behind you.

why bring in Contract when common sense has the answer

It should be noted that undue influence and duress will make legal consent unenforceable. The colonialists have undue influence over the people and used duress in conquering some parts of the country. How can they agitate then with this and without them being consulted? Apart from that implied consent will be made nonlegal in law.

These are commonsensical principles which are the same with law.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:33pm On Mar 28, 2016*

horlapelumi:
also in history you will agree that tribes in Nigeria have something in common, they come from the same geographical location. And as i have earlier stated amalgamation was not imposed rather it was posited without any opposition which means it is good enough to work with

How can there be opposition when you have been conquered? The people have been conquered, they have no opposition that can work if they want to oppose. It still hold that with the fact that there is no request for advice or recourse for the people's interest or without consultation, the british imposed amalgamation on the people. Or are you trying to say that imposition no longer means to force something on people without their consultation?

Does coming from Africa a necessary reason for the tribes to be joined? that is why it was said that the british failed to consult the people before allowing themselves to be misguided that all Africans can be joined together but their culture are different. If that is the case, France suppose to merge Benin Republic, Chad and Niger together because they all come from the same geographical location.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:25pm On Mar 28, 2016

If Nigeria is really meant to be united and blended into a single united country through amalgamation, do you think there will be need for us calling for unity everyday? The constant call of unity after amalgamation is as a result of the fact that amalgamation of the country has failed to unite the people. why should we still continue to make use of something that has failed in what it is meant to do? Is it not a mistake if such amalgamation failed in performing what is necessary intended for?

horlapelumi:
One love, one heart . .
Let’s get together and feel all right
I once argued that Lord Lugard wrote that lyrics, not because I don’t know Bob Marley but because he took an action in 1914 and the result as well as the reason were sum up in those lyrics.
Greetings moderators, distinguish adjudicators, fellow rational thinkers and amiable Nairalanders. I am horlapelumi of Lagos State University. I hope we can have a long and happy relationship together as I tend to have difficulty with small talk, so let's get to the chase while we debate about the glorious call of 1914 among a group of people called the giant of Africa; ‘THE ALMAGATION OF NIGERIA’ through this beautiful platform NAIRALAND which no reasonable man would call a ‘mistake’. I stand to oppose the motion “Amalgamation of 1914, Historical Mistake”.
To amalgamate means to unite, combine or blend. It is an act or process in which two or more things fuse together to form a new potent thing. Amalgamation results in the formation of a new (separate) company which has a unique name, identity and existence. In this light, amalgamation is the creation of a new state by the coming together of two or more states. Popular example is the joining together of the Northern and Southern protectorate to form a NIGERIA.
It is assumed by progressive historians that the amalgamation was to provide good administration and encourage internal trade throughout the country of diverse nations and a large market. Indeed, the post amalgamation period witnessed movements of people throughout the country with heavier traffic towards the North. There was also expanded trade culminating in the movement of goods from south to north and north to south, for instance, activities at the popular Onitsha market.
It is important to note that, before the invasion by the British, many empires within the Nigerian territory had made spirited efforts to unify the various tribes within West Africa. The Oyo Empire was known to have extended its empire up north towards Niger republic and deep west into Dahomey. The Fulani Empire was also known to have made spirited efforts to conquer and unify various tribes in Nigeria during the pre-colonial days. All these goes to say that there was a pre-colonial effort to unify the various tribes in Nigeria, the British only helped in speeding up the process. Should we then call such a generous act a mistake?
It is interesting to know that many of the proponents of ‘Nigeria amalgamation a curse’ are of the opinion that Nigerian people are different in every way including religion, custom, language and aspiration, In fact that we`re all Africans might have misguided the British Government but they fail to realise that; We are all equal in the fact that we are all different. We are all the same in the fact that we will never be the same. We are united by the reality that all colours and all cultures are distinct & individual. We are harmonious in the reality that we are all held to this earth by the same gravity. We don't share blood, but we share the air that keeps us alive. I will not blind myself and say that my black brother or brown sister is not different from me. But my brother or sister is as much as I am me. If we can’t survive with others, how we survive with ourselves.
I will like to avert our mind to certain incidents that happened after the union of 1914. History has it that after the amalgamation of 1914 Politically and economically, things appeared normal until the introduction of the Legislative Council which brought together representatives from the north and the southern parts of the country and months after this the late Prime Minister of Nigeria, Alhaji Abubakar Tafawa Balewa was reported in 1952 in a speech in the Northern House of Assembly, Kaduna, that `the Southern people who are swarming into this region daily in large numbers are really intruder. This establish the fact that, amalgamation was never the problem; issues plaguing the country range from leadership to ethnic and religious jingoism which some leaders deliberately played up to further divide the country. Is it not amazing how the incompetence of the present leaders could be blamed on events which happened about one hundred years ago? Many still relates fault from those halcyon days of British political ingenuity of 1914 to the present turbulent period of insurgency in the North, kidnapping and robberies in the South and deepening poverty all over the country when events have changed dramatically leaving vestiges of political bitterness, ethnic terrorism and religious intolerance.
There are claims and even confessions that the amalgamation was for the economic interest of the British, oh no! It was not only for their interest as it turns out to be a blessing to the amalgamated, take for instance, the first motion for Independence was moved in 1953, years after the amalgamation and in togetherness despite northern objection at first, the course was pursued and achieved. At independence, we inherited a nation built on unity in diversity, peace, freedom and justice and a national anthem that emphasised that unity, irrespective of our complexities. The first stanza of that sacred song, “Nigeria we hail thee” was formulated to reflect good virtues and ideals, our shared values. It was a national hymn we all felt proud to sing as children and adults. It’s scintillating lyrics and captivating wording inspired in every Nigeria, the spirit of nationalism and patriotism. Then we became so unfaithful with ourselves, faulting the force that brought us together, seeking independence out of independence as in the case of the Biafrans.
After 100 years, we had oracles of the British from Nigeria saying amidst other things that Nigeria was built to last for 100 years only and we can’t survive beyond that. Distinguish judges, adjudicators and my ever attentive audience, such arguments shows no respect for common sense, conclusively, because OUR AMALGAMATION IS NOT A MISTAKE, OUR AMALGAMATION IS UNIQUE BECAUSE DESPERATE UNITS WERE MERGED TOGETHER AND WE ARE STILL TOGETHER even after 100 years!

REFERENCES
• https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/unity
• http://kalyan-city..com.ng/2012/04/what-is-amalgamation-definition-meaning.html
•http://www.myfinancialintelligence.com/content/amalgamation-1914-was-it-mistake#sthash.th8NYYIM.dpuf
• http://www.mynewswatchtimesng.com/aliyu-harps-benefits-1914-amalgamation/
AMALGAMATION OF 1914: Was it a mistake?
• http://saharareporters.com/2014/03/10/1914-amalgamation-mistake-or-blessing-onyiorah-chiduluemije-paschal
• https://www.nairaland.com/1081002/1914-amalgamation-historical-mistake-nairaland
• https://www.nairaland.com/1202792/document-nigerias-amalgamation-1914-picture
• http://www.famous-quotes.com/topic.php?tid=1256

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:17pm On Mar 28, 2016

Timidelaw:
lol. i cant but laugh when you talk of origin, if we go by that then all African countries should be one.

How can Africans be one? Do Africans come from the same origin? Africans come from different origins. The yoruba have their story about their origin. The Igbo has the same and this goes for the Hausas, you cannot claim that they all have the same origin. However, if you ask from any of the 12 tribes of Israel, they will point to the fact that they come from the same origin.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:13pm On Mar 28, 2016

Timidelaw:
Please mention countries today that was created because they wanted to

United Kingdom during the creation of the union was done through the signature of a pact. Nigeria has nothing of such pact and yet Nigeria being country of people with a lot of differences, the people need to be consulted and a pact should be entered between the north and the south. Amalgamation should not be imposed on them.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:09pm On Mar 28, 2016

horlapelumi:
It was argued that most countries in Asia and Europe are united because of the singular identify that have, asked the to mention any country that has a single ethic group,, non, all we have is unity in diversity, it has been from time immemorial that we live together in unity in diversity, what makes up Israel is it 12tribes not on single tribe. And it would only be a person with poor knowledge of fact that most countries in the world exist together because of the unity in diversity

Why bring in contract when common sense answer it all.

Moreover I will like to remind you of our state of civilisation during that period. And I will leave you with this; what was the reactions of our men when the proclamation was made? Implied consent is what we are talking about here

from history, you will understand that the 12 tribes that made up Israel has something in common. They came from a single origin, Jacob. Did Nigeria come from the same origin? Nigeria came out from no single origin yet it amalgamation was imposed on Nigeria without consulting the people concerned. Are you trying to tell me that it is right to impose something on people who with their actions and inactions are not willing to accept? Amalgamation is made for the selfish interest of the colonialists and not because the people want it. You know that.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 1:03pm On Mar 28, 2016

Timidelaw:
Great research i must say, one which didn't require any stress, as the internet is flooded by people of like minds that you quoted. All persons who at one point or the other, had the chance to place this unity(Nigeria) at the correct spot, but messed up with the opportunity due to self-centered life giving excuses for failure.

Yeah, they had a chance to unite the people but how can they unite a country which contained different groups of people who had no interest of getting themselves united? It is not the case that they failed to unite the people. It is the case that the people cannot be united due to the fact that they are not ready to get themselves united. From the quotes, you will understand that they made these statements having experienced failed trial of joining the parts that made up Nigeria together due to the people's lack of interest.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 12:55pm On Mar 28, 2016*

horlapelumi:
It is assumed by progressive historians that the amalgamation was to provide good administration and encourage internal trade throughout the country of diverse nations and a large market. Indeed, the post amalgamation period witnessed movements of people throughout the country with heavier traffic towards the North. There was also expanded trade culminating in the movement of goods from south to north and north to south, for instance, activities at the popular Onitsha market.

I agree with you on one point. The amalgamation was to provide good administration during the colonial era and was necessitated because of the economic interest the European have for the country. However, trading has no boundary. Before amalgamation, there have been signs of economic contact among these people. Apart from that, amalgamation is not needed for expansion of trade. if i am to follow your logic then i can say that there will be no export and import without amalgamation of the trading locations. Benin Republic is not a part of Nigeria and yet there is movement of goods from it to Nigeria and vice-versa. therefore, your point holds no ground.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 12:45pm On Mar 28, 2016

horlapelumi:
One love, one heart . .
To amalgamate means to unite, combine or blend. It is an act or process in which two or more things fuse together to form a new potent thing. Amalgamation results in the formation of a new (separate) company which has a unique name, identity and existence. In this light, amalgamation is the creation of a new state by the coming together of two or more states. Popular example is the joining together of the Northern and Southern protectorate to form a NIGERIA.

can you combine two companies together without their consent? Is it legal to fuse together two companies to form a new (separate) company which has a unique name, identity and existence without any implied or expressed consent? I doubt it. The British government amalgamated the southern and northern protectorates to form the present Nigeria without seeking their consent. If two companies cannot be legally combined together to form a new (separate) company then the joining together of the two protectorates without their consent is a mistake.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 12:14pm On Mar 28, 2016*

“The southern Nigerians who are swarming into this region daily in large number are really intruders… they are not welcomed here in the North. Since the amalgamation in 1914, the British has been trying to make Nigeria one country, but the Nigerian people are different in every way including religion… We here in North, take it that Nigeria’s unity is not for us.” – Tafawa Balewa.

“The mistake of 1914 has come to light” – the Sardauna of Sokoto.

“Nigeria is not a nation, it is a mere geographical expression … to which life was given by the diabolic amalgamation of 1914, that amalgamation will ever remain the most painful injury inflicted on the Southern Nigeria.” – Obafemi Awolowo.

Standing on the already established protocol, I am Emaculate Ife representing OAU. I write to support the motion which states: “1914 Amalgamation – a historical mistake?” Before I continue, let me represent the issue of 1914 amalgamation with this:

In plastic industry, thermoset plastics are made in such a way that a very high temperature is needed to cure them. If there is any mistake, reheating it will make binding impossible because its chemical makeup necessary for binding will be decomposed. The manufacturer has no other option than to completely break the defective product up.

Historically, the 1914 amalgamation of Nigeria stemmed out from the 1884/85 scramble of Africa which took no recourse for the interest of the people in the communities that were being shared. The location which happened to be the present day Nigeria was the portion given to Britain and which was enclosed by the portion given to France. France unlike Britain, thought of the people to some extent and chose not to amalgamate the communities in the said portion. With lack of knowledge of the people in the communities, the British joined them together to aid administrative convenience and economic purposes. But should administrative convenience and economic purpose be greater than people’s interest?

As citizens of a colonised country, we were merely the slaves of the colonialists who had to do what our masters said. Should we still allow ourselves to be controlled by the slave masters’ unfavourable structure even after getting our independence from the slave masters? Amalgamation is something of the colonialists who without recourse for us joined us (who are incompatible) together and impliedly charged us to live together as one for their economic purpose. Should we still continue to live under a unification which was consummated, without consultation, purely for the colonialists’ economic purpose rather than our own interest? I doubt it.

Moreover, the mistake of the 1914 amalgamation has been expressed by eminent personalities like Obafemi Awolowo, Tafawa Balewa and a host of others and have been put into action by the Biafrans in 1967 and recently. These eminent personalities had more experience about Nigeria as a whole so they understood perfectly what they said. Also, the previous and current protest for Biafra state stem out from amalgamation. Without amalgamation, there will be no civil war that led to the death of millions of people, malnourishment and deprivation of human rights.

Furthermore, it has been noted by UNESCO that “… no single type of foreign university can in itself, meet the aspirations of the African people for social and economic development.” That means people who school in foreign university cannot meet the aspiration of the African for social and economic development. Lord Lugard schooled at a foreign university. Therefore, Lord Luggard cannot give a policy that will meet the aspirations of African for social and economic development without it failing in these aspects.

Although, every Nigerian regards himself as a Nigerian but tribalism has put the status ‘Nigerian’ into a state of oblivion. When it comes to issues affecting one’s tribe/ethnic, the status ‘Nigeria', will be thrown into dustbin and each will declare their allegiance for their tribe/ethnic. This sometime leads to bloodshed. An example is the recent tribal fight at Mile 12 between Hausa and Yoruba.

Come to think of it, if the 1914 amalgamation is not a mistake, then people should take themselves as Nigerians and not the other way round. Provided by Nigerian constitution, any person who is a Nigerian by birth can contest as the governor of Nigeria provided that S182 of the constitution does not apply to him, but can an Igbo contest as the governor of Lagos without being told the history of his life that Lagos state belongs to the Yoruba (West) and not any other part of Nigeria? Nigeria and not the people is amalgamated.

Consequently, the country was designed during amalgamation to give more powers to the Northern part of Nigeria who are not educated in the western way as a result of the British policy that ousted their western education in order to curtail them from being as intellectual as Indian Muslims. In a bid to strengthen their (British) control over the whole country, more powers were given to the North and were made to enjoy the dividends of amalgamation even till today at the expense of other communities, thereby leading to a violent revolt against the government. Till today, Northern Nigeria still enjoy the consolidation of powers given to them by the Europeans and this has led to unhealthy relationship among the regions making up the present day Nigeria. This was further confirmed by the words of Sir Ahmadu Bello who said that “the new nation called Nigeria should be an estate of our great grandfather, Othman Dan Fodio, we must ruthlessly prevent a change of power. We must use the minorities in the North as willing tools and the south as conquered territories and never allowed them to rule over us … have control over their future.”

With this, the current Biafran protest and the outpour of the Hausa and Yoruba leaders, I believe, you will throw your support behind me that the 1914 amalgamation is nothing but a mistake.

REFERENCE

www.thewillnigeria.com/news/opinion-is-1914-amalgamtion-a-blessing-or-a-curse

www.myfinancialintelligence.com/content/amalgamation--1914-was-it-mistake

www.chikaforafrica.com

1999 constitution of Nigeria 2011 as amended.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 12:00pm On Mar 28, 2016

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 5:54pm On Mar 18, 2016

Fynestboi:
Going by the new updated as regard OAU Exam I think 28 is the best date that will favour the both team, as we speak now OAU exam now ends on the 4th of April, so I believe TEAM OAU should be able to put up something as 25 and 28 is now declared as exam free day..

Cc

Emaculate99
OAUTemitayo

OAUTemitayo, is that okay for you?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 6:32pm On Mar 15, 2016

Fynestboi:
If April will be ok and exam ends on that same date how do you prepare for the debate owning to the fact that you can't be preparing for the debate and exam together? So we should assume you will be prepare for the debate that same day? Or before that date? If so I think you can do so for 28th..

Well. Let hear from LASU..

I didn't say that we should have it on April 2 but said after April 2. I believe that the organisers will in their good office give a date that is suitable for the parties and in which will be fair to the parties which April 3 doesn't seem to fit but other weekends after April 2&3 seem to fit.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 10:09am On Mar 15, 2016

Fynestboi:
Suggest date then...

any date after April 2 sir will be okay for me sir.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 7:36am On Mar 15, 2016

Fynestboi:
28th is a public holiday sir. And we can't have any exam that day, that is the reason why we put it on that date...

yes, we can't have examination on that day but how are we going to prepare for the debate sir? Unless we are to prepare for the debate while we prepare for our examinations. I am just saying that we are not okay with the date as our examination will prevent us from preparing effectively sir for both the debate. I even have an examination on 29th of March.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 12:32am On Mar 15, 2016

Fynestboi:
[size=15pt]Obafemi Awolowo University(Support) Vs Lagos State University (Oppose)

Topic: 1914 Amalgamation - A Historical
Mistake?[/size]

Judges:
Adeaks
Obinoscopy
Xynerise

OAUTemitayo
Emaculate99

Horlapelumi
Timidelaw
DEJMAN

28th March 2016

5pm

Any questions?

28th of March is not okay. can you please shift the date. OAU has already started their examinations and the final examination generally will be on 2nd of April.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Unijos Vs Abu Zaria::: Winner::: ABU ZARIA by emaculate99: 11:55am On Mar 13, 2016

Fynestboi:
Lol... For the first time..

Both Catalyst4real and ObiZEAL are the best debaters for this stage...

Interesting...

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Unijos Vs Abu Zaria::: Winner::: ABU ZARIA by emaculate99: 11:49am On Mar 13, 2016

Congratulations Team ABU. You did a great job here! UniJos! That was a nice show.

Poems For Review › Re: NPC Cypher: Compassion by emaculate99: 2:33am On Mar 12, 2016

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 5:48pm On Mar 07, 2016

tosyne2much:
I give up on this argument.. I try to argue people who can intellectually match up with me, not those who are not intellectually challenging
Well, I give up on this argument.. Now I'm inclined to agree with you that university is superior while polytechnic is inferior.. I believe this should make you happy now.. You won !

seconded, thirded, fourthed, fifthed, sixted, even hundreded!!!

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 5:43pm On Mar 07, 2016

vickylala239:
I Neva said I knw it all....

I Dnt agree with u on biafra being a nation in Nigeria...

Also I want to ask....is it today that dey started rating Bsc higher dan Hnd...

I want to ask you a simple question...if There is no discrimination, what will happen to that word in dictionary?

Dnt call it discrimination.Bsc is Jst more preferred...

If HND wants their importance over Bsc or equation.... they shuld clear Bsc doubt in their various field and job positions....

I put it to you that if Hnd holders were doing a good job most company will prefer them over Bsc...rather than cuming here to cry..urge HND holders to wake up and prove their worth in their various positions and offices....by so doing the news will spread and There will b no need for a thread like this.....

If HND holders had done their work well....we all we hear it from bloggers,net etc..

The truth is this wen you are good you Dnt need to talk abt it bt Ppl will talk abt you and recommend you....

For you to even say that the federal government shuld equate Bsc with HND.. it means you Hv d knowledge that Bsc is higher...

You said I shuld not call Wat is done here waste of tym....when this is achieve within one month or this thread deliberated on in Senate... then I with say we actually did not waste our tym...Bt if nothing after all this then I was right....

When I called biafra waste of tym and resources... Ppl were saying you Dnt knw Wat ur saying or Wat to say....biafra has wasted more tym than this ,yet nothing...

You claim biafra movement is illegal.. then Why do they still push for it?...this is to say that Ppl Evn wen they knw the truth they Jst choose to waste their tym....

The least d country need now is this HND or Bsc stuff..wen our economy is shittt..security shittt etc...

Mst Ppl maynt Lik my post Bt that will not stop me....anybody can insult me provided it does Nt blow ma phone of I gat no prblm wit abuses

lol.

I don't need to argue with you. What will I gain?

My post up there was to call your attention to the wrongness of your analogy.

Read my post again. I didn't say the movement is illegal but I said, secession is illegal. Also, you didn't argue about Biafra being a nation but your analogy was what I attacked.

Moreover, people pushing for something doesn't make such thing legal. People demanding Biafra doesn't mean secession is legal. Try to reason! If I should go by your logic then I can say that jungle justice that is being demanded for by common men on the street when a thief is caught is legal. Common, try to understand. The law has already set out what is legal from what is illegal. No public opinion can change that unless such law is amended by the legislature.

Back to the subject, your fuss about HND and BSc has already been answered in the debate. The arguments and counter arguments should be enough. Vickie, I will only advise you to read through the debate. And if you are not OK with that, you can go on further reading.

In addition to that, this is an intellectual discourse, we are here to learn and not to claim e-warlords. Read through what had been written and learn just like we all did.

#shalom

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 4:00pm On Mar 07, 2016

vickylala239:
Bros I put it to you...that this thread will not be the 1st or d last...

If biafra cn protest, fight, flags etc and yet nothing is done....is it common Hnd Dat will...

I put it to you Dat by Nxt week, this thread will b history...

Jst keep wasting your tym...thinking you are debating or you are on channels TV....

Vickie, let this rest now.

The bubble on this thread will die down soon but the knowledge here will not and can never die except if this thread is deleted or removed.

This might not be a debate to you. Fine! you can leave it but that doesn't mean you should call what's done here nothing but a waste of time. If actually you read through the debate, you would know that "nobody is an island of knowledge".

Another thing you should know is that Biafra is a nation in Nigeria and under no circumstance can a nation secede from a country. The reason why they have failed to achieve something is because Biafra want to secede and secession is illegal in Nigeria being a federation. However, equation of certificates will conform with the provision of African Charter and constitution on right to freedom from discrimination. Therefore, equation of HND and BSc is legal. (read s1(2), s 2, s9, s17 and s 42 of the 1999 constitution for further reading).

One more thing! Always remember, no one is an Island of knowledge. Do not claim to know all when in the real sense, we are all learners.

Try to read through the debate and you will understand that the need to debate this is as important as the need for individuals to be intellectually equipped#shalom.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 9:04am On Mar 06, 2016

Fynestboi:
72/90*100

yes. 72/90*100 will give us 80% sir.

Thank you sir for that.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Fourth Edition Chatroom by emaculate99: 8:55am On Mar 06, 2016

Fynestboi:
https://www.nairaland.com/2963214/nairaland-interschool-debate-equating-hnd

Winner 1

Obafemi Awolowo University

Best debater: 78.8%

If the best debater scores 26, 25 and 21 respectively then his total will be 72 out of the obtainable score of 90.
To get the percentage of this, it will be:

72/90*100

72/90 = 0.8
then 0.8*100 should equal to 80% and not the 78.8% posted.

Maybe I am wrong, but please can you review the calculation?

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 8:31am On Mar 06, 2016

OAUTemitayo:
That's my boss

You are the boss.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 8:31am On Mar 06, 2016

Fynestboi:
Best debater:

Emaculate99..

Wow! Really? I am privileged.

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 6:52am On Mar 06, 2016

Bakare19:
nice job from emaculate99 and OAUTemitayo. You guys are spot on. And I especially love the way you marshalled your points, backed with correct references. You've won this...

Thank you sir.

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Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 11:21pm On Mar 05, 2016*

tosyne2much:
Sir, I have been reading your comments and I must say that you are indeed a scholar

I like when people argue with logics and that's what you have been doing

Wow! Thank you very much sir

Education › Re: Nairaland Interschool debate: Equating HND with BSC: Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 11:13pm On Mar 05, 2016

yuzjet:
The notion that Bsc holder is better than HND holder is a fallacy. It's obvious that this certificates discrimination is bringing us down technologically and innovatively.

If equating them can't be achieved, I believe something must be done to put an end to the dichotomy crisis surrounding the certificates.

We need to go back for a proper orientations concerning the two certificates, as each of the Bsc and HND holders has a role to play in the development of this great nation Nigeria, but discrimination won't surely help.

To all the debaters, my hat is off!

Yuz don talk! Igi Iwe ooo!

Nice one bro

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