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@ ikupakuti

Oga calm down, I hav no issues with you, if u had calm down u would know wat I meant wen i compare experience and knowledge, "I said I opened the thread looking for, someone who had a similar experience like mine", I was talking about experience similar with mine, an I never said my experience is unique or number 1 or am the best or anything like that. Its nothing to get a pride from, It's not my fault if u decided not to share ur experience,so calm down, and I will gladly come to ur thread to learned if u opened one. So whatever is making u to bark dats ur business, am not dragging anything with u here, iam nobody in front of allah. I simply believe no one can see Allah, if that is ur problem am sorry all this ur ranting or even if u put a gun to my head won't change that, and it's uncalled for, it only exposes d kind of person u ar.
As for comparing me to a dog I will take dat on my chin. I can't blame u.

This is the only answer I have for u.

The rest are just blabbing, telling me to learn Islamic science an those ur voodoo language is funny, I just see it as the usual u, trying to show urself.

Ur problem is u tink u knw everything, so everyone must accept ur view or nothing, brother u need to open urself and learn too. Nobody dey learn finish. So hav rest of mind am not trying to take ur trophy.

Empiree:
Whats going on here?. This is very simple issue. Well, it is safe approach to say WE CAN NOT see Allah in whatever way we think. I think this is emekaraj's approach. But i dont have problems with someone saying "seeing Allah in the heart". I understand what it means.

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1693&Itemid=109


Question, what is a new born baby looking at in different direction even if you bring him or her closer to get your attention?. Thy keep looking sideways even if you scream to get them to focus?. This usually happens from day 1 through 40 to 60 days.

Nobody will ever know since children cannot share their experiences.

Adam (as) was in Paradise.
Shaytān, the devil, came and whispered in his ears. As a result of that, Allāh was unhappy with him and sent him to earth as punishment. Why, if the devil can whisper in the ears of Adam (as) can he not whisper in our ears? He does not need to whisper, it is so easy.
They say about the very famous
walī Bayāzīd al-Bistāmī – who was even praised by the one who described and praised tasawwuf according to his own understanding, the founder of the ideology of Wahabism before Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab – Ibn Taymiyya, who mentioned
Bayāzīd Bistāmī in his two volumes of his Majma`a fatāwa ,
at-tasawwuf and ` ilm as-sulūk . He praised him and said he was a walī . Given his attitude to many things in Islam, it was extraordinary for him to say that.
He was on hajj and he went to Madina for zīyāra. He is a walī , meaning he could see with his spiritual eyes. So he saw Shaytān, the devil, running after people. That is a story from the biography of Sayyidinā
Bayāzīd.
He saw Iblīs and said, “What are you doing here? You are a cursed one.” Iblīs replied, “I am busy.” He asked, “With what are you busy?”
Iblīs said, “Many of the visitors here are so far from perfect that I just need to whisper in their ears. But it is more simple, I don’t need to even whisper.” Bayāzīd said, “And what are you doing?” Iblīs replied, “I am riding on them. I put a bridle on them and ride them.”
So something came to the heart of
Bayāzīd. Even a walī is not
ma`sūm . He may fall into sins, but sins not done intentionally. He might do them by mistake and at least you excuse him from what he falls into. No one is ma`sūm except the Prophet (s). Even the Sahāba were not ma`sūm .
So a little bit of pride came to his heart. He said, “Yā Iblīs! Do you also have a bridle for me?” What he meant was, “You cannot dare to approach me.” He said, “Yā
Bayāzīd. For you I don’t even need a bridle. I will ride you without one.” Because that one word of his dropped Bayāzīd, causing him to fall into the weakness of the ego, causing distance to him from the light of the moon. Everything must be balanced. If that smallest hafwa, in Arabic, that stumble, caused him to fall into such a grave position, what then do you think about us?
So Iblīs left and Bayāzīd cursed him. After one or two weeks, it began raining very hard in Madina, `alā sākinihā afdal as-
salāt was-salām . And the streets there do not absorb the rain. And there is hikmat - wisdom - in that. People are in need of water, and what is not absorbed people collect.
It was raining, raining and raining and the streets were flooded. People were everywhere unable to cross the streets or walk. And old people men, women, etc. were there not knowing what to do.
There was an old man among them, walking with a stick, trying to walk through that heavy flood, and he was about to die. And the people were afraid to go and help him as it was a dangerous situation - he might fall and drown. So who gave himself up? Awlīyā’ullāh -
Bayāzīd. He said, “Yā ākhī what is your problem?” The old man said, “I am afraid to fall in the flood and drown.” Bayāzīd said, “Come and I will carry you.” He carried him very far through the flooded streets and deposited him safely on dry ground. Then the man said, “Ah Bayāzīd, did I not tell you I will ride you without a bridle?”
The meaning of that story is that
Iblīs is after us, at all times and places. That means every moment, you must be awake.
You are awake during the daylight. And at night you must seclude yourself. And if you want to move, you must seek a light.

http://www.sunnah.org/tafsir/ash-shams_files/ash_Shams_2.htm

@ LadunaI


Good to know u got it from this noble men, and I also agree they epitomize d standard with wich to succeed in life.
So why did u choose to believe something that these noble men stood against, I think we can all agree that non of them had ever claimed to hav seen God wether through heart or wateva. And u can also agree with me that with the standard that this men set, no one after prophet Muhammad would hav been in a better position to experience this.

You also said the sahabas r.a were successful because they accept maters that purely of fate. No doubt about this.
But does that mean we should believe wateva we hear without analyzing with Quran and hadith, if so then lemme direct u to a thread where majority of Christians their claim to hav seen God, same describtion that some alfa claim to hav seen, perhaps u might also believe them. If u have a lot of Christian friends, u will knw that they dream of seeing God all the time and its d same white illumination from the sky talking to them. Should I also believe them too. The scholars of Shia, izalla, wahabis, Tijjaniya etc. all hav diferent views in Islam, should I also believe all of them. Allah ta'ala said it doesn't befiet him to communicate directly with his slaves except through his agent, I think dats very clear.

On the issue of scientists nt believing in God, if we r to use ur own standard of believing everything, which of the gods do u expect them to believe in now, out of hundreds of Religion in the world, Do u tink it will automatically be islam?

On, When I opened this thread, wen i opened the thread I wasn't looking for who to believe me or not, I think if my plan was to look for who will believe me, I dnt tink I would hav d gut to open this thread, because am well conversant with the nairaland Muslims and their ruthless way of dismissing everything. D main reason was to connect with a Muslim who has d same experience as me so we can share an learn more, its right their u can go back and read it again I haven't modified it. Then when Kuti an empire came, they weren't experienced but they hav d knowledge, tho Empire had experience with his father. I never argued with them I ask questions like everyone else, because I believe nobody has full knowledge i can always learn even from someone who u tink knows nothing. U can also scroll back to wen I became a student in this thread, But dat doesn't mean I dnt hav a belief I held strongly to. So @ LadunaI dnt always bring "I open d thread", as if becouse I opened the thread I should believe anything anyone says in here.
With my experience I think i should be among those who should believe in seeing God, but that's not the way I reason, I gathered evidence and use the small wisdom God gave me to make my decision.

This issue can go on an on, but it won't benefit anyone to believe we can see Allah.

I particularly choose not to believe becouse based on my experience I know it won't benefit me to believe such. The last time an alfa try to make a description of angels to me Shaitan came in that described form pretending and trying to trick me. But God gave me d wisdom to knw. So imagine me with this small faith wey I get, come believe say I fit see God. I fear nothing more than going to HELL abeg oo

I will post a story I read on how shaitan decieve one of the sahaba. LOL

LadunaI:
BLESSED are those who have a mean spirit to accept the impossibility even when they haven't EXPERIENCE it.

Where did u get this idea from

So we should believe everything becouse anything is possible. I dnt get explain further.

Lemme also make it clear that my stand dat no one can see Allah ta'ala is not a personal thing I concluded on my own. This are based on diferent books by Islamic scholars that I hav read, and I compare their evidence to pple who believe otherwise. And I made my my conclusion.

There was a story dat was share here about Jalalani or something like dat saw shaitan claiming to be God and he cast him out, an shaitan said he had deceived many with this trick but the shake has passed. so just imagine how many pious men he had decieved with the trick.
So it's better not to hav the mind set that we can see God or shaitan might visit u.

Empiree:
Confirming Authenticity Of Jalabi And Condemning The Charlatans


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8PKLbYDKc

Is it English

Lalasticlala see ftc material

This man was celebrating his birthday and decided to celebrate it with his mum, this way.
Nigerians can go extra miles to prove something.
What do you think is this cool? can u do this

ILMU GHAIB MY OPINION

ilmul ghaib simply means knowledge of the unseen, and according to Quran only Allah have the knowledge of the unseen, as a mater of fact Allah made it clear in chapter 72 verse 26 that he alone has the knowledge of the unseen an he reveal his ghaib to Noone, not even Muhammad SAW

There's is been alot of argument between Muslims on dis topic. Some believe that no one has the knowledge of the unseen, while some believe that Allah reveal a little to the almuttakun or the extremely pious among humans.
Then there's some arguments that the alfa that uses diferent methods to predict or sees the future, or the gifted alfa are dragging the ilmul ghaib with Allah SWT. Some also believe that there are pious pple who can see God while some believe it's impossible.
The important question that we should all be asking is: what is ilmul ghaib? For me I believe that no one has ilmu ghaib except Allah an he shares it with no one. So what is really ilmul ghaib exactly.

ghaib means unseen, hidden, or secret. So ilmu ghaib also means a secret or hidden knowledge. Seeing the future is not ilmu ghaib because If u say someone who can see what's gonna happen b4 they happen has ilmul ghaib which means a hidden knowledge, then there's nothing hidden or secret about it anymore since it has been seen, Allah said he revealed his ghaib to no one. and dnt forget that what one see about the future might not happen sometimes, or wen it does happens it is nt exactly the way u see it but close, so it's more like prediction of the future not Not knowledge, but if u r getting dis feed from Allah theres high level of accuracy in ur prediction. For example a wether forecaster will say rain will fall today, sometimes it does, other times their forecast fail, because its a prediction, or d doctor dat tells a pregnant woman she will give birth in 5 days times, but she ended up given birth a month later. Some of this Sheikh are blessed with this gift too, sometimes ordinary people might just dream of an impending tragedy an they happen.
So there's no way they can be categorize as ilmul ghaib.

For some month's now especially during the ramadan when I meet pple I will already know alot about them even b4 they tell me about themselves, it's nt like I see anything about them it's like mind reading. for example i meet a new colleague now, while introducing myself, I just started thinking wow, this woman has gone through alot, she lost her husband, and a child recently, if only she knows so an so is her problem. While all this is going through my head, this woman is full of smile like a perfect human u will never guess wat she is going through. But I will later confirm all my thoughts about her to be true. Lately During the ramadan I was able to differentiate between thoughts. Is this ilmu GHAIB? NO if there is any word I can call it is "hikma" because its no coincidence that d more prayerful I become the more stronger.

My idea of ilmul ghaib is categorized in two, One is things we know exist but don't know when they will happen or what they will be like. Eg death an life after death, day of resurrection, Allahs appearance.

The second is things that we dnt knw exist but realize them when we die or on d day of resurrection.


WHATS YOUR THOUGHT OR CRITIQUE ABOUT THIS.

Got this, at Empiree really did well,
May Allah bestow his rizk, provision and sustainance on you.

And u hav better say ameen in vocals to this my prayer as e dey hot, because my prayers are fire.

Empiree:
and you got banned bcuss of that?. Thats crazy

It is spam bot bcus you copied the thing. Just give it a few days and the ban will be lifted.

It's not spam oo, a friend sent it to me on Facebook, and wrote it in d message "a friend sent this to me on Facebook"

I dnt knw if this is called spam, but that's bygon now, am back

Alot of pple ar yet to learn the art of giving, it's a natural law, The more you give, the more you'll get back. Even if it's not money, give your time, words & advice. He will reward you in greater ways!

Empiree:
wait oo. i didnt get you. You mean you posted solatih fatih and you got banned?.

Yes, I posted how each word were gotten from the Quran,

Empiree:
Is there a comment of yours in your thread that was dismissed?

Ooh yes

(SALAATIL FAATIH IN QURA'AN)

An list d verses in Quran were they can be found.
But I didn't see it an I thought it was network

Empiree:
You are probably banned for a reason. You may send email to MOD in Islam section or just wait for few days for the ban lift. It is probably spam-bot acting up. I was banned few day ago too in the section and it last less than two day. Some take a week or more depending on your "offence".

I will be suprise if it's a ban, because I haven't comment in any other thread apart from my thread for more than a month now. Except it's comment from my thread dat caused d ban

phemsie:
na to play go oshogbo sure pass be that

first and only comment and it made FP

wao! sign of good things to come

@ empiree why cant I comment in my thread an Islamic section. Is dat how they ban pple, because I can coment in other sections.

How do I solve this

Empiree:
Tijjaniya perhaps?

LOL yes, those pple no carry zikr joke ooo, zikr is like a wedding ceremony for their side

Take a wild guest..... which sect will be this??

This: by Allah I hav seen a couple of times, and more often this ramadan.

BUT WITHOUT WINGS THOUGH, I HAV ACTUALLY NEVER SEEN ANY WITH WINGS.

Don't be sad if your Ramadan isn't going according to plan. Don't regret that you haven't done more. Try to make the most of what's left.
The last days of Ramadan are the most significant. Now is the time to ask Him for all your needs. The Almighty doesn't tire so don't tire!

Fkhalifa:
I would like to ask a question I feel suits this thread,since most brodas here are in the spiritual Dept of the seen..

We were in a mosq ducussing ithqaf on sat,we observed a black hen entered the mosque through the back door, around 6pm, though its empty the (female side) immediately Our Alfa saw it, he exclaimed, what! black hen in the mosque, oya eyin boys catch it,it must die, they killed and buried the hen.. When I asked him about the matter, he said stay out of it,its not your line, we Alfas understand it better... Even though he is the jalabi type..

So I need you guys to clear me about it.

LOL VERY FUNNY, well there might not be anything like dat in d Quran, but, Like he said, it's nt ur line, they knw wat u dnt knw, they see wat u cannot see. If he didn't explain d reason to u, perhaps it's a scary somthin and he didn't want to scare u.

from experience I knw say, No be everything person see dey fit explain.

It's alright no big deal about it, it's all mater of believe, seeing niyass in a dream maybe possible, Muhammad SAW am skeptic about because it's a tricky one like explained b4.

As for God I maintain its impossible, if u think dat theres a spiritual level one can attain and see God, then that's like saying our prophet SAW spiritual level wasn't high anough. Don't forget that he SAW was a man dear to God, and still didn't see him.

MAy Allah subhanawataala nt make us a trial in d hands if shaitan

Were can i download it any link to d movie...Miracles from heaven

Tlake:
i am not totally in support or against but u should ask yourselves if you could see jinns,shayatins why not our rasul whom is even more appealing than those creatures

.you wrote about God showing you the heavens why wouldnt he be able to reveal himself to u if you attain such level of spirituality or guide u against d trickery of shaitan remember he protects you in your fights...

its obvious you are gifted and steadfast in d deen n closeness to Allah..mk the request to him on our behalf ,to clear the doubts...if Allah wills, thanks

I understand you....
But u hav to understand diferent between seeing the living and the dead, those spirit I see are livin creatures not ghost
meanwhile the holy men I mentioned are dead, u do understand d Islamic ruling about dead right, Islam don't believe in ghost. And I see pples who said when they were praying in a mosque they saw niyass.

As much as I would be honored to see prophet Muhammad SAW, the question is how do you know it's him,
u dnt knw wat he looked like, it's only pple that lives in his time that can dream of him an be sure it's him because they knw wat he looked like and shaitan cannot take his appearance.
So since u dnt knw his appearance how do knw d person u saw is him

ABOUT seeing God, mmmmm let's nt go their, it's impossible I can't be convinced, since prophet Muhammad SAW didn't seem him I dnt believe anyone can.

And about d dream of going to heaven it's not mater of Spirituality, it's a normal dream, anyone can have it. It just means dat u will go higher in life, or hold an important position in life. That's the explanation I was given.

God forbid that guy thats seeing God and talking to him, flexin with Jesus all the time ain't nothing like me, the day shaitan will approach me to claim he is God, or any of our holy men, I will show him am a true friend of God an can't fall for his deceit, I will show him I dnt believe in seeing God, prophet Muhammad SAW, Ibrahim niyass etc.

But I understand you, I hav seen the thread, one of the inspiration behind the opening of this thread actually.

Empiree:
The brother is not smiling but he only got 2 and 5 wrong. Nothing to worry about nau. And he didnt challenge it.

Eiya sorry

Empiree:
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Thanks for your contributions
Ramadan Kareem

Nice one, u did well bro, for the competition. May ALLAH SWT bestow his provision on you abundantly.

those dat didn't participate be like....

Flets:
Niger Delta should be at the fore front of this agitation to free themselves from the shackles of the northern oligarchs. IPOB has given Niger delta an excellent lifeline and they must not fail to use it.

The struggle for one Nigeria is only a struggle for the soul of Niger Delta

The struggle for Biafra is for the soul of what

Empiree:
I know you really want to crack me up. Really, it was only your answers that delayed me bcus I was trying to figure you out I had to redo 3 times before this. But I partially read your initial post with evidences you provided. I have been busy up and down . Soon as I am comfortable, I will go through to see if your explanations are credible. If they are, i will credit appropriately. Either way, since you all are just 6 participants, you all getting credit anyways.

Don't do that that's cheating, it's not done anywhere, u have ur marking scheme, and u hav done well marking them, everyone one can find one way or the other to criticize ur marking. But dat shouldn't change anything.

You should also know that just d way you didn't allow us to change our answers during d competition, it will also be unacceptable for u to change results that u have already publicized. Otherwise it will be term as cheating, kwarapshon, nepotism, should I continue?
And EFCC can be invited in dat type of stupendous kwarapshon. Even nairaland can be charged to court for allowing such criminality.

U should also knw I hav Buhari's numbers, So hold it their, because this is more than competitors this is a battle between Islamic sect. Ok make i stop here b4 dem ban me

yeyeboi:
Amaechi is a criminal , go and throw birthday parties for the IDPs in the north then I will take him serious.

U an I knw dat even if he does wat u just said, u will find another excuse, maybe dis time u will say he should go an throw it in sambisa forest b4 u take him serious

Wetin Concern me, my takwa'a is anough for me, my takwa'a is active every minute of d day an in everything I do, if u judge me in this world to go to hell because of tesbih or salawat, my God wil still judge me an u on the day wen he will be d only king the judge of all judge.

No mind them Allah is no wicked d way they make him look, he is a merciful God with unlimited grace.

BUT LIKE I SAID WETIN CONCERN ME, ME AM JUST PASSING BY, LOOKING FOR NONO DA FURA TO BREAK MY FAST. ANYONE KNW WERE I CAN FIND IT

[quote author=Mikkyjay17 post=56114179][/quote]Pls how did u fill dat linguistic skills section, with Portuguese and French.

Tnx