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Empiree:
Not really. It is actually as you were explaining according to whoever told you. But i think this one says to recite 7 times instead of 11

Looks like u r still reading from d thread seeing Angel very much

AlBaqir:
^^^

# And what about the question of "how does two men - Adam and Eve, and there children procreate till we become millions?"

* The reply of "they were getting married to each other is not only ridiculous but there is no true evidence for it.

* Also, the suggestion that they might have wedded some of the remainders of " pre-adamites" is also submission with no evidence.

What's your point actually? If you are saying they didn't get married to each other. So how did they then procreate? U already mentioned in ur previous post that man is referred to as d son of Adam, because we all came from Adam. Aren't u contradicting ur self.

Empiree:
Yes, I have this now. I picked this up at my local masjid in November last year. I may either type it out or scan the page soon as I get the chance. Whoever told you was correct.

I didn't do this when growing up but my sheikh's workers used to do it.

Really? Abeg type am, Is it dat much?

Empiree:
interesting. Now talking about the catcher in the video when Christian jinn said she was being bothered by her prayer, is she referring to the "catcher"?. And you mean the sister (catcher) didn't hear the conversation btw the jinns and the raqi?. That's interesting.



this sounds like advance ruqya therapy. I wondering if this process could further harm the victim until you said they are powerless in that state. Looks like raqi in the video did something like that at the beginning when he asked the Christian jinn why she was inside (pointing at someone else) and why not the sister.



thanks. you just answered question I typed up there. Yea, i watched it 3 times already. I just understood more the 3rd time. It is interesting i am still gonna watch it. It means there is a victim of that Christian jinn behind camera, that's when she looked that way when she was asked why she possessed him.

There are mysteries in this world. And the "puritans" or bidi'a crooners have realized their mistakes and disappeared

Mmmmm empiree u need to relax, calm down and watch the video, u ar obviously missing a lot from d video.

The catcher u see their, wich is d sister is not an ordinary catcher like others, she is powerful, gifted.... Somwhat the way I am.
Yes of course she was praying burning the jinn, tho in an unconscious state, because she is strong, If u watch it again u will see d part where d Christian jinn said "I think they dnt like me" d sheikh ask, who? She said, "some jinn in her" d sheikh now said OK let's call d jinn in her an talk her, d Christian jinn now said it's a Muslim jinn. Which means d sheikh can't call d jinn in her because she was born with the Muslim jinn. I dnt know if u understand

If u notice d sister keeps burning any jinn dat was called, and d sheikh has to constantly beg her to stop burning them. She is unlike any other catcher. She is spiritually strong. If u remember wen d sheikh Ben halima ask if she know any big shayateen or ifreet in churches so dat he will bring them, d Christian jinn told him dat shayateen can't come to dis girls body because she is strong Muslim, though she is not a perfect Muslim but very strong, dat inside of her body is white, she said. D sheikh recite ina ma amruhu iza arada shei an. To show d jinn allah can do anything.


Yes They are weak in the catchers body, this is because, (like i explain b4, maybe u didn't grab) in this method, it's the catcher thats possessing the jinn not the other way round. So the jinn is at the mercy of the raqi.

Leave them.... All they know is BID'AH, anything they dnt know or understand is BID'AH.

Empiree:
Another question is, does the "catcher" (not raqi) gets physically weak when the Jinns come around her during conversation with raqi and what is the state of the 'catcher' during Jinn conversation with raqi, is she aware of the conversation?.

Other question is, is "catching" jinn also used to "cure" victim of jinn possession?.

Weak ke! The catcher doesn't get weak at all, an u can bring hundreds of thousands jinns through him or her.... It's only d Raqi dat can get tired.

The learners remain in unconscious state, but experience catcher control the situation, tho not aware of d conversation.

On ur last question......

Yes now that's d main reason for the method... Instead of struggling with a jinn from mrnin to evening, if u have a catcher just call d jinn from d victim who is possessed body to d catchers body this. D jinn will just surrender as he will be powerless, because they only have power in d body of d person they possess.

Watch d video again, the reason for d catching in d video is because d Christian jinn possess a man and was disturbing d man, so d sheikh bring her from d man's body to d catchers body. the man is behind d camera. D sheikh mentioned this b4 he start. And he ask d jinn where she was living b4 been brought she said in d man's body..... Watch it again.

Empiree:
@emekaraj, it means (in my opinion) that whoever is 'cured' of jinn possession is still vulnerable due to the open part that link the jinn. Possibility exist they may be repossessed in the future. How would they be cured completely without them returning to the person?.

Yeah I forgot that part after the ruqyah there is another treatment to close the opening..... This one involve ruqyah water for drinking and bathing and oil for rubin etc.

But if u want to use d person as catcher, no need..... But the catcher becomes stronger spiritually as goes on

I just like the part where the Christian jinn was shock to find out Christianity is darkness as she receive the light of Islam. She also realizes on her own without been told that Jesus is not the son of God. After she claimed he was.

Bakar1:
Yes I did send you can you reply so we could discuss further I have some questions to ask which am not very sure of the answers.

Am not sure how to go about this nairaland email Sorry can u send it again.

Bakar1:
Bro you are correct you see Islam is beyond pure text as have seen times before but some people would still fault you either way so anyway it's best to do what ever thing you do for Islam we are different in all our ways if am to start mentioning what I as a person has seen and experience and still experiencing walai most people would think it's all lies but keep to what you do only you know what you do.
Most would still say bidia but just like the prophets night journey lots of people didn't believe him because it beats their expectations and mere imagination as to how can someone do that in that short time travel from mecca to Jerusalem and ascend to the heavens and back from Jerusalem to mecca glory Be to Allah who made this possible but all is for a lesson of almighty Allah had willed he could take him from mecca to heaven straight but to him belong all knowledge as to why he did so, but one needs more faith to believe am very sure if most of these people always faulting spirituality aspect in Islam were there they might have denied he ever did travel on such distance, there are so many things spiritually most people are not the same bro, we all have different gifts from the almighty.
Just like in Islam then and now of someone accepts Islam you don't just tell him pray 5 times daily and fast and pay zakat and all but you look at his level of faith and tell him the easiest thing to do.
So if you know little about this you can't get to where you enjoy the peak of spirituality.
It would be best to just seat back relax and enjoy the knowledge and experience what suits you take what doesn't ignore not all things would sound OK to you based on your level of understanding.

I think everyone in this islam section should know by now that I dnt give damn. I opened another spiritual thread and shared my experience last year. So am more worried about u guys.... Pls if u have experience share some....forget about them.

I know my level of fear of Allah in everything I do and everywhere I go and I know am probably better than them

Bakar did u send me an email

It's hard to write the steps by step procedure and verse involve unless when I have time.

Note: there's no special verse in jinn catching, u recite any verse from d Quran according to d conversation u are having with them. For instance, if a jinn said that iblis is his Lord. U will recite d verse of disobedience of iblis, where allah ask iblis to make sugud to Adam an he refuse. Especially verse 50 of suratul kahf, in translation: and remember when we said to d angels prostrate to Adam, so they did except for iblis (kanna minal jinn) he was one of the jinn, he disobeyed d command of his Lord. Will u then take him (iblis) as ur awliya rather than me while they are enemies to u........ Till d end of the verse

Wen u recite this to them Allah will show them that iblis was just a jinn who disobeyed his command or the verse of iblis deceiving his followers to hell and denying them. It will become obvious to them dat d person they are calling lord Is even their worse enemies..... They will convert..... Some of them will say we can't because we hav pact (contract) with iblis so you will recite, bara'at sura 9 verse 1, baratu Mina lah warusuluhi ila lazina ahadtum Minal mushirikin. To cancel d pact

So this days there's No need to have long conversations with jinn it's tiring, u use d verse from d Quran to counter wateva they say. And theres virtually verse for everything in d Quran.

Empiree:
That's amazing. I really like where he raised his hands and Allah "Ya Allah, show them the Muslim army of Jinn". She was amazed. That i called "sitting ovation" When raqi beseeched Allah to show them muslim army of Jinn is like UNVEILING reality to the kufar Jinns. They probably didnt know there are many muslim jinn of their likes just like some non-muslims don't know muslims are over a billion

Now what i am not clear about yet is how the sister used and those kufar jinns came. I know you explained this before but i need clarification again. I have never seen that before. I just watched the video yrs ago without paying attention

On the one u bold, I said it b4 dat wen raqi call on Allah he answered them, in fact they command and by the will of Allah it happens. Quran verse has a great effect on the jinn, one recitation can change their life, unlike d human that has to recite thousands b4 u see feel d effects, because we are more heavier in terms of mater or physical.

Lemme explain again.....

Wen u remove a jinn from someone and d jinn has totally gone, he or she still has an opening or connection that links him or her to d jinn world. So through this link the jinn can be brought back, this person dat is used is called the d catcher.

I once use my wife as a catcher...... Wen I removed a jinn from my wife, a yr plus after, they are still disturbing her in dreams.... That was wen I made a research an find out about jinn catching.... It just gives us the total power over them. So i use her as the catcher because jinn has spoken through her b4 and the fact that she is still having weird dreams means their is still an opening or connection to d jinn world.

So I called them back even tho it has been more than a year, this time I was ruthless on them, they confess everything, they mentioned another jinni woman, dat was planning to marry my wife to her son wich is also a jinn. So i brought her and d son too, burn all the sacrifice they gave them to be disturbing my wife. Convert them... And send dem back to fight for Allah as Muslim jinn

Note: u can't just use anyone, it's someone who was possessed and jinn must have spoken through D person b4.....

There a lot going on in the world today.... Wen I hear some critique I just laughed because I just see inexperienced an ignorance

@ empiree did u see how they disappeared, I told u they dnt have anough data.

Instead of them to listen, ask questions and learn b4 they put up their arguments, they will just come and be shouting BID'AH without understanding d topic

Empiree:
@emekaraj,

This is interesting. I watched the clip yrs ago as i said earlier but i didnt understand at that time or simply did not attention. Now i really enjoyed it how he "catches" them.

You seemed to explain it really nice earlier. I think you need to ignore these brothers. They are not here to learn. They place themselves in the position of the only ones that are righteous and the only ones on siratal mustaqim. I understand the "catching jinn" better with the video.

The brothers think "catching" means hide and seek and holding Jinns in your hands, bottle, plastic etc. In another word, physically restraining or tying them down. This is clearly metaphoric. Correct me if i am wrong. I have said earlier that they focused too much on external observation rather than internal reality.

The one i was talking about earlier was where human possessed another human being. That's what Sheikh Akindele experienced. He said he never seen that before. And he asked the woman why she possessed the young lady. She said she offended her. Sheikh said to her that she was lying that she is human. That she is jinn. She denied. She said she is human and even gave descriptions of her neighborhood and residence. That she possesses another human and she would not forgive the lady. This sheikh is salafi man. Now will these arrogant brothers call sheikh Akindele "innovator" and urge him to bring dalil?. Experience or haqiqa surpasses reading text mechanically.

Had I know u didn't get d jinn catching earlier, I would have send u some videos so u can watch, even the one about the pious man dat pple goto to his grave to ask for help. I was going to explain it but dis boys diverting my attention.

About a human possessing a human, it's the soul of those witches dat possess their victim. In dis case we recite the verse of the beast, and he will come and kill this souls.

In the video did u see wen iblis came their with his army but was powerless to do anything.

If u like it I will be posting more links for u to watch

basugar441:
I have been here for a while now and i know all of them including the atheist that is always derailing and trailing every thread in the islam section......

I have just been viewing in incognito mode because of stress in school.

LOL student.... Go and face ur studies boy

This is d link to d video, it was explained b4 D catching..... Watch it if u have data.... because I know most of u dat disturb online dnt have data



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeHxEKDokcM

basugar441:
If you have evidence for your jinn catching, not sheikh fulaan said oooo, i would gladly accept it. My door is always open to correction so far you bring evidence.

I like how u feel so important.......

@ empiree some of this guys that have life easy with no problem, spiritual problems. Dnt know Wat Muslims are facing out their.... And dis problems is causing many Muslims to commit shirk by going to herbalist, if nt for the help of jinn catching.

I have seen someone dat got possess by a jinn wen it was removed the sorcerer send 3 more jinn wen the raqi was struggling with the 3 jinns, the sorcerer was sending more..... Just imagine they were just playing with d raqi, he has recited almost the whole Quran and it just keep getting worse, everytime he thought he is making, it's actually getting worse, d guy was exhausted, the raqi gave up. And we prescribed jinn catching.

With jinn catching the tables are turn, u catch d jinn, bring others involve at once even if they are hundreds, bring the remaining jinn with sorcerer, so he can't send anymore, cancel all pacts they have with d sorcerer and devil. With the first verse of Bara'atu sura 9. Then burn d sihr and cancel all d blood sacrifice dat was done to d jinn. Convert them and send them back to fight d sorcerer.

All this are done with verse from Quran..... There's nothing hidden... The videos are their u can watch it.
I will post the link to the video later.

basugar441:
Trust me, i now have time for these people that are just so eager to invent lies in the deen. I have always been following the Islamic section ever since i knew it was active. I was very amused reading emekaraj's comment where he talked about jinn catching..... just sit down in one place and start concocting lies....

#iro_lasan

Ignorance is a disease...... I dnt understand how someone can be blabbing about something u dnt know... Had u humbly ask, u would have learn Wat it is.... Now u just blabbing about something u dnt knw.

Be humble boys, Allah love those who are humble

basugar441:
Sarcasm right.........

Unfortunately NO

basugar441:
This guy is so funny, who is feeding you all these lies. Give us evidence from the Qur'an or Sunnah on this your claim........May Allah grant me and you Hidayyah.

Do u live under a rock?

Am not saying there are not good pious Muslims jinns that helps oo, but there are hypocrite once too, that will pretend to be a pious jinn and tricks believers into shirk, we just need to be careful.

There are Muslims jinns dat lives in Muslim homes and help them whenever evil Jinns want to come to the house.

There are once that follow Muslim to do zikr. They can also help u as a friend too.

But there's just no need to contact them for help, because the wrong one might come and pretend to be the good one

According to ibn kathir, If u want blessings or u want ur problems solve just send lots of salat to rasul (saw) and u will be blessed double fold in dis life and hereafter, insha Allah.

Salawat also increases ur status spiritually

Salamu aleikum

Do not use the name of past pious people or go to their grave to ask for help. Shaiytan is a very intelligent being. Let me tell u a story.

There is this Muslim pious man in South Africa a very pious man who died over 300 yrs ago. It was said dat d man performed great miracles b4 he died so he was very popular among the Muslims their.

Because of this, people use to go to his grave to ask him for help even after centuries that he past on. In fact till dis date they still do dat. Funnily whatever their problem is will be granted, but u and I know that d dead can't grant anything.

So to d main gist, sheikh abdelrauf heard this and visited the grave for jinn catching to knw wats Goin on their.

Story short d first jinn came and said salamu aleikum. Which means he a Muslim jinn, and he was asked Wat he is doing here. He said he is securing the grave.

Lemme put it in a conversation format.

Sheik: securing from who?

Muslim jinn: shayateen, they ar in d surroundings but they can't come here because of me.

Sheik: but why ar u securing d grave, wat do gain from it.

Jinn: because he was a pious man, and was performing miracle to help pple.

Sheik: How was he performing the miracle

The jinn said that he was using them to perform miracle. Sheikh ask, so it wasn't a real miracle, d jinn said yes, that they use to go and help anyone dat came to the pious man for help....

Sheik: but Wat I ask is why are u securin dis grave Wat is ur reward.

Jinn: because he use to accommodate us, and give us anything we want.

Sheikh: like Wat

Jinn: he recites for us lots of Quran.

So d sheikh said, but Wat u ar doing is not good, how can d Quran gives u power. Then he accepted that d man use to mix their name in it and gives them lots of animal sacrifice.

Sheik: what about the pple dat come to dis grave to ask for help.

Jinn: we will go an stay with them till their problem are solve

So d sheikh said, pple come to d grave an ask for help, u go and help them, d pple think it's d dead pious man that helped them. And then keep coming back for help. He ask d jinn, but u are a Muslim, isn't that shirk u ar making pple to commit ? He was quite. So they called his associates,
and ask them Wat is their part in all this.

They said they are the ones that give pple the problem so dat they will come to d grave for help.
D sheikh ask, so Wat did they take from this pple for helping them, they said they take their food, health, psych etc.

You see, thats how the jinns works, apart from the fact that they want to trick u to commit shirk, they can't help u for free too, they help u and take something from u too like ur health, psych etc.

So u See how they ran the business. They give u problems so u come to d grave for help, an then help u and give u another problem,so that u com bak again, it goes on in circles ( because d fact is jinns don't have d power to help anybody, Wat they do is they give u problem, of which they will be able to solve because it's their making) and while all this is going on they are taking ur health, psych, sleeping with ur daughters etc.
May Allah subuhana'wata'ala help us against shaiytan and its evil plot

Empiree:
Allahumo Salli ala sayyidina Muhammadin wa ala Aliy wasalim.

The shortest

Tnx much

Abeg empiree do you know any short salawat, ibrahimiya is too long wen I want to recite plenty for jumaa.

Anyone.... me I can recite anyone as long as it sends blessings to Muhammad SAW an his family

Fundamentalist:
Simple question, how should ruqyah be performed according to the sunnah ?
When did you become shaheedbinaliyu , or are you u related

Simple answer..... by reciting Quran.
I have answered ur question now leave me alone abeg

Fundamentalist:
I only asked a single question which benefit our listeners , Explain to us how ruqyah is done According to the sunnah ? Simple

Stop avoiding questions like shaheedbinaliyu

Boy am not going to give u dat joy u seek, I could hav told anyone else who ask, but you? never.
You know why? because u came in here looking for loopholes to attack, so no mater Wat I tell you, you are always gonna pick loopholes from them. So i won't waist my time.

You know the funniest thing, I probably follow sunnah more than you, but because Iam talking am talking about spiritual matters, u hav already judge me dat am a sufist. I dnt know whether u pples hate is for sufist or spirituality.

Boy stop wasting ur time and go do something else, but I will like to see u free ur self from that shackle of chain around ur neck tho

Fundamentalist:
@ bolded , where did you get this ?

LOL..... that's why u need to stop reading text and go practical

Like someone said in the beginning of this thread. Performing ruqyah increases ur spirituality.
Ruqyah is also a form of dawah, as the majority of the jinns are kafir, so every time u are able to convert them ur spiritual status increases. So at some point u start seeing them, having visions, etc.

For some reason dats still a mystery to me, their prayers seems to be accepted by Allah instantly. So when u exorcize too much too ur mouth becomes powerful too, when u pray for pple it is quickly accepted. But u will have to be careful not to curse or swear on someone too cos it might happen quickly too

Fundamentalist:
Explain to us how the ruqyah was done ?

Simple .

Are you afraid we might point out some " unislamic " or vague practices.

Thank God u know ruqyah is Islamic.... But Am quite sure u dnt know what ruqyah is literally.... Pls if you do tell us the one you have performed.... We are not talking about text u read oo, we are talking about practical.... Pls gist us..... So that we will follow ur sunnah ruqya

Hkana:
But the level of savagery in Raj's reply is on another level.... Lol. Reminded me of one song we used to sing as kids "first to do e no dey pain, second to do e eye dey red"

You guys should inform that guy and his ilk, I'm following the thread incognito

LOL �

Empiree:
Did you read this?



See how you continue to sin in the name of "sunnah". What exactly he has said that is "shirk". Afalataqilun"?


Sure 49:12

Dat Dude is really boring