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Let my name be written in Book of Life so I'll make His Holy kingdom at my death or go with my King, Lord JESUS CHRIST in rapture

jacksonite: thanks for your explanation. But that leads me to the other puzzles: 1 In the quest for the right church,does one have to move from one church to the other? 2 Can one write off a particular church based on hear say with out even attending it first and making sincere efforts to understand its spiritual position? (you can only do that at your own risk since there is a chance that the one you ignored may be the true church) 3 Given the thousands of churches we have around,what is the chance of one ever completing the experiment (to find the true church) in a lifetime?4 The holy spirit does not come to every body at the same time.Does one need to wait for it before going to any church at all?

All thanks be unto GOD Almighty both now and forever more, Amen

1. You don't have to move from church to church to know the right church. It is simple: Go to church where holiness and righteousness is their standard and focus. Without holiness, no man will see the Lord -Heb 12:14). This two things are what every christian needs to focus on to make heaven.

2. One thing about "them say" is that majority are true and correct. Take heed, 97% of churches here in Nigeria are not on the right track. It will suprise you but it is the truth. On the other hand, even if a church is good and okay, people will still complain and accuse them of one or two things as they did JESUS CHRIST because the world hate light but love evil and darkness (3:19). So, based on "them say" criteria, join a church the world always accuse of being too holy and too conscious of sin, a church the world despise for having so many do's and don'ts

3. You don't need to jump from one church to another to know which is true. JESUS CHRIST have already told us that we can know true church by their fruit. It is very simple to identify them. But you can never know if you are not filled with the spirit. One of the duty of the spirit is to guide us to all truths.

4. It is a must for every christian to have the Holy spirit. Ha!! Must o. The goal of every christian is to make heaven on the last day. And it is impossible to make heaven on our own(Matthew 19:25). We need to work with JESUS CHRIST through the Holy spirit to be saved(Matthew 19:26). How can one claim to be a christian without having the Holy Spirit? What can he do without the Holy spirit? For without Christ, we can do nothing(John 15:5) As many that are led by the spirit, they are the sons of GOD(Romans 8:14). Mostly for this latter days we don enter, that deception is everywhere, that the devil knows he has but a very short time left, so is deceiving and leading multitudes to hell, every christians needs the Holy spirit for direction and discerning and to guide them to all truths

Op:
Majority of world's population are christians but almost all of them end up in hell with unbelievers. Churches have now become gateway to hell fire as christians have become dancers at the gate of hell. The devil has been in existent in this world before the creation of man. He has watched men grow. He has watch the christian race. he has studied the christian race and know the weak and strong points of christians. So he has polluted it, as such, leading multitudes that think they're on the right track to hell. But thank GOD for our King, thank GOD for whom He is. Thank King JESUS CHRIST for coming to our rescue, revealing truths to us, so we would escape the traps of the devil. The devil knows unbelievers are already on their way to hell. he doesn't bother about them. he knows christians are heading to heaven, so he's polluted christianity. JESUS CHRIST have strictly warned us about fake preachers.

1. If the founder of a church is evil, automatically, the whole congregation are heading to hell because if a blind lead another blind, they will both fall into a ditch -Matthew 15:14
One cannot be holier than the pastor because it is the pastor's teaching he is feeding on. So if he's getting the wrong food, na hell o because just one little wrong teaching spoils the whole good teachings(1st Cor 5:6, James 2:10)

2. Same answer to question 1. Churches matters o as much as our faith does. That is why JESUS CHRIST taught when He came because most teachings of the scribes hinders the people from entering heaven (Matthew 23:13). Teachings in church hinders people from making heaven. That is why in the Book of Revelation, before Christ gave John the revelations, He warned the seven churches in Asia.

3. There is no church whose members are automatically saved. Rather, there are churches which focus on pure holiness, preaching the undiluted word of GOD. If a member of such church goes ahead and commits sin, and dies without repenting, na hell be that.

4. To know such church is very simple as JESUS CHRIST already tells us how to identify them- by their fruits (Matthew 7:16, 20). But to do this, you need the Holy Spirit to be in you first. So you can discern which is good fruit. Because JESUS CHRIST already tells us the Holy Spirit will guide us to all truths (John 16:13)

In summary, the Bible should be our number one pastor and number one church. Humans can mislead us but the Bible can never mislead us. We will be judged by the Bible (John 12:48). So we should always place our Bible first above every other teaching and learn to compare our pastor's teachings with the Bible

Imagine people comparing sin to sin. Kai!!! When both leads to hell. Many will be encouraged by this thread, that one is better than the other. I stand to tell you this day to desist from both, else....

zees: blood of Jesus!

do not use the name of the Lord's name in vain

fubbyy: all I need is result bro, I've prayed and nothing happened

3 things determines your prayer to be answered:

1. Your Faith
2. Patience
3. Your kind of prayer
4. Your spiritual state of holiness and sinless life

fubbyy: what am witnessing in my life is what prompted me to

Where is your faith then? Is what you are facing up to what Job faced? I keep meeting you here on nairaland. I talk to you. I've advised you before. But you don't seem to heed

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." (Galatians 6:7)

josh001: your words are true. Unfortunately this is the world we live in. One ridden with corruption and compromise. That is why Christians are admonished not to be conformed to this world. God help my Christian race

Josh: "But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. " (Revelation 2:25). GOD bless you

Fubby, Fubby, Fubby!!! Hmmm. I hope you know what you are doing?

It is very clear your mother and family are under spiritual attack. And you are the gap GOD will use to restore your family and mother back Ezek 22:30. Can I message you privately?

b3llo: Sometimes *sighs* Op, do u knw that satan too gives vision? This your sermon na wa o!

Fine. Then
"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Revelation 22:11)

Omexonomy: Too many rules to follow. May the almighty God show us the right way to follow him in truth and spirit.

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)

PastorOluT: Yes exactly, He hates it doesn't mean it doesn't happen n when it does happened it doesn't also mean u are condemned. Though should never be, bt the truth remains that there are contigencies even for xtians, remember God gave us freewill n would not force us to stay in something we would not want to.

NB I know this is deep and it has been mostly taught wrongly, u dont divorce for any reason (that is just for any little thing), but there are issues that are detrimental to the body n soul which God allows.

The Bible says GOD hates divorce. If anyone does what GOD hates, the same should prepare to bear the consequences. In every situation in life, we should always seek to know GOD's mind on the situation in His word. We should rightly divide the word of truth as we study the Bible to show ourselves approved unto GOD -2 Timothy 2:15

PastorOluT: Hello, did u read ur post at all? He gave only one condition for divorce yet in no condition can they divorce?

Because the Lord GOD said He hate divorce -Mal 2:16

He that has ear, let him hear and

"He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." (Revelation 22:11)

Mondisweets: a normal man wont make you fast 3/4 of the year

It's not only a pastor's thing to fast. Every born again christian should fast as often. I'm not a pastor but I east every week

PastorOluT: Divorce not an option? I believe u have a complete bible n u read where Jesus gave condition for divorce mathew 5, n Paul enjoined the Corinthians that they can leave an unbelieving spouse if they (the other) one isn't willing to live with them 1corinthians 7.

Though i ain't preaching divorce nor encouraging it bt just setting the scriptures right.

Both verse didn't support divorce. But gave only one condition of divorce -fornication and unbelieving spouse. In general, both verse condemns marrying after divorce - "But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband"
"and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

qstar: *Yawns* Yeah, i've watched the movie.

blah blah blah...

I'm not talking about the film itself. I'm talking about the writter of the film

There's this christian book and movie: Pilgrim's Progress. The writter of that book has a revelation. In his testimony, he spoke of him being told that there are many things that are hidden and will remain hidden till after the final day. He said among those thing is how satan became corrupt. He said it is hidden. But GOD will take it away. That in the next life, such a thing can never come up

PastorOluT: Hmm, easier said than done. U don't just develop the mind of Christ it takes time my brethren. The truth is the two of them should be ready to take responsibility and sacrifice, and nothing forgetting prayers in other to make things work. If they do not then nothing else can wordk 'cos even the bible says can two work together save they agree?

The two of them should be ready to build a godly home which will start from individual relationship with God that when everyone now come together Christ would always be the reference point.

Though it seem difficult bt things can definitely work only if they want to work at it. The first question they should ask themselves is, do they really want to continue as man n wife?

Inasmuch as I will agree with your post to some extent, let me point it out that divorce is not an option. Marriage is a life-time thing. Both of them must come back together. See, it is high time christians stop doing what they feel is right thing to do. It is high time they seek the mind of GOD in every decision they want to make. It is time they learn to please GOD and not themselves

udysweet: Guess u ddnt tak tim to understand my post and I ddnt evn want to go into all d details due to space. One I nev met dis pesn b4,a friend jus say she has sm1 who wants to marry. Fine I don't hav issue wit it. But u spelling all of dat out wen d woman u were introduced to u hasn't evn known if she's ok wit u as in lik u b4 agreeing to date and go on to marry u. Dis pesn wit my little chat wit him dat day looked strict. His is jus I want to marry and my wife must not hav anytin ornament and make up. Haba !der r pastors na who dnt jus giv u all dos conditions but over time dey can impress it upon u to drop all dos tins. If I setlle for dat man jus lik dat I'll b doing it out of societal pressure and not abt my onw peace and happiness. And note I ddnt evn back out o,jus sent a message dat I want to knw if its God's will for me to marry a pastor and one who wants me to do away wit all. I wil spare u details of wat hapnd next. Story for anoda day sha.

I took time to read all you wrote. I don't have issues with anything you did or wrote. You have your choices to make. All I'm interested is the trouser, make-up and ornament part. Though some churches like Deeper life and Mfm take it to their ladies, we will all come to see where women that look old "old haggard" will come to stand on the final day

BrotherJohn: I agree with you emmyskies, but don't you think that they read these things in the Bibles, hear sermons after sermons in the church like this? I have noticed several broken marriages and relationships, it is usually that someone refuses to take on the Mind of Christ.

One prominent thing in this case is the fact that, she is living in accordance to the words of her human father instead of her heavenly father. Her human father says, "one strike and that's it", but her heavenly Father says, "seventy times seven strikes per day before you can give up". So, they are not motivated by their Christian values (Word of God), but by cultural or human values.

True. You are right

linearity: Not true, not every born again Christian can and should marry a pastor.

Pastors have a special calling from God into the ministry, their wives must support them in the ministry, in essence they must be part of the ministry.

As you know, not every born again Christian including the sister is called into ministry.

That's what I'm saying every born again christian woman should be able to cope marrying a pastor.
Even if she's not called, supporting the ministry is no problem. She's not working for her husband, but for GOD

Both are wrong because they both lead to hell. Avoid both

udysweet: Found myself in dis same issue sometime in Feb or March. A friend who was bothered about my "singlehood" decided to hook me up with a pastor who wanted to get married by May. I had my reservations but jus wanted to see what God had in store for me. We metay,apparently d bobobo sef too set high standards and e no gree apesn himself except say dem hook am up. Number one he was a pastor in mfm,not dat alone he wants to go into prayer ministry of his own. Ha ,me I no strong reach spiritually o. He even scare me more by saying dat if pastor is attacked and dey can't get him dey will face the wife. D worst of it he said I won't wear ear rings do my hair wear make up and trousers. At dat point I was supposed to pick my shoes and take to my heels but I was calm. I say see u nev evn mention compatibility sef u don dey list tins for me,lol! I told him why ddnt u loook for one of ur mfm members been dat dey alrdy hav d features u want and he shocked me by wat he said:dat I shd forget he worships in mfm but he can't marry frm der dat dey can cover body but der character is opposite. After our date I told him he'll need to giv me time to tink if truly dis is wat God wants for me,cos I cnt jus agree because pple want me to marry dat I want happiness in my marriage nut jus because I want to pleas pple. If u see d reply d guy gav in an sms,me sef fear. I heard he's stil lookin for a wife,till now. Its not abt d outlook its d inner dat counts. I even wonder how I'll look witout al dis tins he said I won't do again,lol. I can marry a pastor o,not one who wld mak me look lik an old haggard woman,then maybe over tim I can stat shedding dos garbs one by one not outrightly

You will know where a woman that looks old haggard will stand someday

jesuslovesme123: A number of differences exist:

Pastors' families are more exposed to spiritual attacks.

In many cases, pastors' wives need to play a role in church.

Pastors could potentially have less time for their families.

Pastors' families are often subject to more scrunity.

With these said, I have observed that many pastors today actively shield their families from these 4 things. Some even prevent their families from having contact with the congregation.

1. Not only pastor's family that are open to attacks, all true christians all over the world are facing intense attack from the kingdom of darkness. They don't waste time on partial christians and unbelievers because they know they are already on their way to where belong. So it's not just a "pastor's family" thing

2. It is not compulsory for a pastor's wife to play a role. She can be unnoticed. Just that she will need to model a good mother for other mothers and girls. Which is quite an easy thing for a true born again christian. That's not really a challenge because it is Christ that live in them.

3. Pastors not having much time for their family is likened unto every other married man not having time for their family because of work. As other learn to manage their work with family, so a pastor should learn to manage his church and family. Easy as ABC

4. Pastor's family are not only subject to scrutiny, every true christian all over the world does. JESUS CHRIST says we are the light of the world, let our light so shine before the world. He isn't referring to pastor's family here, but every born again christian.

Like I said earlier, if the woman is a true christian, she'd be even glad marrying a pastor. Iron sharpeneth iron. They would wax strong in Christ and live to the glory of GOD, raise a family where the presence of the Lord will always dwell.

Save the woman has other motives to marriage, contrary to GOD's word that she will likely shy away from marrying a pastor

Desist from such jobs. They don't give glory to GOD. You sound like you already know the truth and the right thing to do

The same way devil pushed judas to eternal damnation, same way he is pushing majority of humans today. If judas have repented, he would have been forgiven. He betrayed Christ, yes. Didn't Peter betray Christ thrice?? JESUS CHRIST forsee both of them will betray Him. He even told Peter. Yet, Peter still betrayed Him. But after the betrayal, what next? Peter redeemed himself, judas cursed himself. Many curse themself today. Repent or perish

They should both forget their human minds and take the mind of Christ. As christians, that shouldn't be a problem. They should learn not to offend eachother and be very quick to forgive if offended. Though Joicey thinks she's doing the right thing, the fault is from them both. Humility should come from the two parties. They should speak one-on-one to themself, resolve this problem before it leads to another sin, forget their difference and live with the mind of Christ, as christians. Both of them's got work to do

All of them are worse. Non is better than the other. Because both will end up same place for eternity. Doomed

yes. Lev 20:18