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Born2Freak:


Saudi Arabia is a christian country abi?

Why you are acting that it is not a problem in islam?


It is very legal to marry a 12 year old in Saudi. In Nigeria it is 18 years, except in sharia states??!!

Where is saucyxo?

make up your mind. So what it your problem if Saudi man married a young girl since you agreed it is legal in their country?. What was the purpose of your post in the first place?.

Mind you, are these muslim too?. You keferi people have issues. Many of you are undiagnosed mentally sick people

Do you mind them?. They are hypocrites. I simply don't want to engage them. If this happens in igboland they don't think about christianity. If it happens in the North or Arab countrt they blame Islam and the prophet. This is very reason I hate nonmuslims in Nigeria especially kiriyo. They are bunch of idiots

Origin:
Yes you do hate Islam. If it were a Christian you would probably abuse the man.

There are several cases of child brides in Christiandom, pls Google it. The youngest child pregnancy in the world was a Christian (Business book of world record). These are facts.

Why cant we fault an action and not abuse the personage or the person's religion, tribe, family or gender. And why should we further generalise (all tribe this all gender that). That is the cause of all rift and disunity.



Every one should step away from their bias and hypocrisy. Any evil deed can be done by a Christian, Muslim or pagan. By any tribe, by any gender, by anybody.

PaulSimon2020:
These people are animals, that's one big thing I hate about Muslims. Do they all have to be pedophilia?? Look at how sad and disheartened that little kid seems....Jezzz!

How about these?. Are they muslim?

Majority of you folks making comments seem to forget too quickly. You have your worse cultures in Nigeria. Leave Saudi alone

LadunaI:
No longer available why?

account owner is probably removed from YouTube. I think it was lecture by Sheikh Robiu maIik baba loworo

Born2Freak:
EMPIR.EE!! EMPI.REE!!


PEDOPHILIA IS BACK ON THE HALAL MENU AGAIN!!!!


80 year old man marries 12 year old girl in Saudi

https://www.nairaland.com/5731337/80-year-old-saudi-man-marries-12-year-old#87372999



Empire.e, face it, your religion of islam supports PEDOPHILIA

it is sure you can't get over my moniker. Where in the video Islam is mentioned?. Don't you have some older men married young girls especially North and igboland?. Why is this a news?

alexxiswrites:
Please this is a warning to Nigerians. We have no proper system to know how far this disease has gone here. As such, let's be careful about how we itmove.

africa is a lot saver. Your xtreme heat is positive thing.

Realadey:
Guy be reasonable as well, give us adequate alternative before proposing mr man, did u hear him telling us how to get power supply?
U don't know these failures,they will keep on talking and to do no dey concern them.

Relax, generators have done more harm. Maybe with generators ban, you guys will take to the street and protest stable electricity. Because you guys sit on your butt and do nothing thats why they take you for a ride. If you keep having generators, you give govt no reason to fix the damn electricity. Or are you generator seller?. I can understand your business hurts like that

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Okay, very well then. We will judge bible Jesus by his bible record. Christians said

Jesus Is A Gentleman

Yoruba christians sing a song like this "mo fe ki n da bi Jesu ninu iwa pele...." Yet in Matthew 23:17 Bible Jesus is a thug and got foul mouth for calling people "You blind fools!" (eyin oponu afoju).



Bible Jesus Is A Liar

In Matthew 5:20-25, he passed a righteous law telling people not to do this and that(sins and crimes) and in verse 25 of the same Matthew he said, "And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell." but he turned around and called people "You blind fools" in Matthew 23:17. He screwed himself up


Bible Jesus Wanted To Commit Adultery With His Girlfriend

In John 12:3-5, Bible Jesus and his girlfriend nta omi oge (flirted). If not for the timing intervention of Judas, only God knows what would have happened. Bible Jesus would have ràgàbó lady yen. In verse 3, she poured perfume on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. Chai, agbere dey . Judas tried to stop the process. Even at that, Jesus said to Judas to leave them alone. Questions is, where does agbere(shina, zina, adultery) starts?. So this verse tells the genesis of adultery that Bible Jesus was about to commit. What happens when a lady robs your body with her hair chaee ?. Don't you enjoy it?. That's exactly what happened. Jesus enjoyed it that why he didnt want Judas to interrupt the show .


Bible Jesus Is A Bandit/thief

Jesu lo si oko(farm) oloko lo ji agbado. Bible Jesus went to stranger's farm on a resting day when farmer was not on the farm and steal corn because he was hungry in Matthew 12:1-5

At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.” He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent?

In this year 2020 if this happens, farmer would call 911 and get Bible Jesus arrested and he would cooling off in jail


Bible Jesus A Terrorist & Suspected Murderer

In Luke 22:35-36, Bible Jesus advised his people to have SWORD and those who dont have SWORD should sell their belongings and buy SWORD. What is SWORD used for in your village?.

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

and this is what they used the SWORDS for in Luke 19:27


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Yet, christians are telling us "mo fe ki nda bi Jesu ninu iwa pele". Is this gentleman?


Bible Jesus A Homewrecker Not Peace but Division

Christians tell us that Jesus is "king of peace" but Jesus from his own mouth said he is not for peace but to destroy homes and set families apart. This is in Luke 12:49-56

“I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

See how Bible Jesus trashed families. No wonder in the world today, marriages dont last. Families breakup. Husbands and wives wrestle everyday. Abalajooo ...no wonder Mariam Sanda murdered her husband. She followed example of Bible Jesus and many more people like that. Is this Bible Jesus that you follow?



Children Of God

Christians say they are not slaves of God. That they are children of God. But in ◄ Hosea 2:2 ►people that are children of God are bastards.

"Rebuke your mother, rebuke her, for she is not my wife, and I am not her husband. Let her remove the adulterous look from her face and the unfaithfulness from between her breasts."


Yoruba Bible sweet pass. I love reading Yoruba Bible. It reveals true evil meaning of the bible

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First all, some said there is issue with matn of this hadith. Second, so what if he had manpower of 30 men?. They are his wives. He could do as he pleased. They were not his girlfriends. They were not someone else's wives. All God's prophets and messangers were sexually upright. Today, many of you guys use sexual enhancement just to have intercourse with one woman. But prophets didnt need that.

Now the issue with matn (text) of the hadith is that there are other ahadith and verses of Quran that made us to believe this hadith is faulty. The excellence of night prayer:

Numerous Prophetic narrations and Quranic verses mention the excellence of night prayer and the merit of those who perform it regularly. Allah The Almighty, Says (what means): "O you who wraps himself [in clothing], arise [to pray] the night, except for a little – half of it – or subtract from it a little or add to it, and recite the Quran with measured recitation."[Quran 73: 1-4]


what does this verse teaches you?. The verse is telling the prophet to stay up at night for prayers. So when did he have time to go around sexing all night long?




Aa'ishah may Allah be pleased with her reported that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: “The most beloved deeds to Allah are the most constant, even if they were little” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim], and she may Allah be pleased with her said in another narration: “Do not ever stop praying Qiyaam. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) never ceased praying it. When he sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) was sick or weak, he prayed sitting.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]




So when did he have time to go around his wives every night for sex all the time?. Clearly the so called hadith was meant to mock him bcuz we have more ahadith that are in harmony with Quran that talk about Qiyam Layl (night prayers)




Volume 2, Book 21, Number 256:
Narrated 'Aisha;

Allah's Apostle offered the 'Isha' prayer (and then got up at the Tahajjud time) and offered eight Rakat and then offered two Rakat while sitting. He then offered two Rakat in between the Adhan and Iqama (of the Fajr prayer) and he never missed them.





And do you have idea how long the prophet stayed up on just one rakah?. He(SAW) took his time. He would recite chapter of Quran equivalent to surah Baqarah (longest chapter) in one standing. In our time right now, it takes many people almost 2hrs to finish recitation of this chapter of 2 of Quran and they recite fast but the prophet(saw) recited slowly. Imagine how long that took him?. He stayed the same amount of time in ruku and sujud.




Narrated this hadith as in Sahih al Muslim, Nasai)


"I happened to pray one night with the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. The Prophet started reciting al-Baqarah chapter of the Quran and I thought he would stop after 100 verses.

But when he went beyond it I thought that he may want to recite the whole chapter in one Rakah. When he finished al-Baqarah I thought he would do Ruku but then he immediately started reciting al-Imran and when he finished he started reciting an-Nisa. The Prophet was reciting very slowly with enough pauses and would do Tasbih (praising God) and Dua (supplication) according to the subject being discussed in the relevant Ayah.

After that the Prophet did Ruku (bowing). In Ruku he stayed as long as he did when he was in Qiyam (standing in prayer). After Ruku he stood up for almost same time and then he performed Sajdah (prostration) and stayed there as long as he recited Quran while doing Qiyam". (Hudaifa, may God be pleased with him,





Aisha, may God be pleased with her, mentions that: the Prophet one night stood up for Salah and he stayed in it for so long that I thought the Prophet had passed away or died. When I felt that way I stood up shook his toe and I felt the movement then I laid down again and I heard the Prophet saying in Sajdah "I seek refuge in Your pleasure from Your wrath, and in Your pardon from Your punishment, and in You from You. I cannot enumerate Your praises as You praise Yourself." (Transliteration: Audhu bi ridaka min sakhatika, wa bi muafatika min uqubatika wa bika minka, la uhsiy thana'an alayka, anta kama athnayta ala nafsika).




So big question is, when did he have time to go around his wives as if that's all he was sent to do?. Guy, remove clog from your eyes and accept the truth. I refute every nonsense you posted to discredit our prophet. In Ghanaian accent, it is not gonna werk

Realadey:
This man dey craze Sha,u want to ban generator,where is your govt doing with electricity?

guy, be reasonable. This is step forward. Be forward thinker, please.

Following the ban, this should force solar price down and subsequently force govt to improve electricity. I learned this morning that power outage is uncommon in the North. That northerners take the streets to protest NEPA if they should ever take the light. This shows that the North know their rights compared to the so called educated SW. Politicians in the SW are greedy moda4kas

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Those fellas led by their preek are full in churches from Vatican to Nigerian churches. We hear and see them on the news everyday. Got it?

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Am I surprised by your stupidity?. Absolutely not. You are led by your nose.

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Muslims enjoy the highest standards of personal hygiene. Purification is part of a Muslim’s faith. We read in the Qur’an what means:

{God loves those who turn to Him, and He loves those who keep themselves clean.} (Al-Baqarah 2:222)


The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the best advisor on issues related to hygiene. The Prophet is reported to have instructed his followers to avoid certain practices that lead to bad health conditions.

He also said "Allah is pure and accept nothing but pure.


The general rule is that nothing can make water impure unless it alters the water's smell, taste, or color."



"Moreover, the hadith is talking about ablution and nothing more since Muslims have to purify themselves before the five daily prayers. So the Prophet (peace be upon him) never claimed that Muslims can drink impure water."

Imam al-Tahawi said that the well of Buda`ah was like a rive leading to a garden. This means that the water is always running and it is not stagnant. Therefore, the Prophet declared it to be a pure source of water.

Other scholars maintained that when the Prophet said: “Water is pure”, he was referring to the water of the well of Buda`ah. This means that the Prophet was confirming the purity of this well as it is too large to be contaminated by the impurities that were thrown into it by the heavy rain.


Now, when you go to beaches whether in 3rd world countries or developed countries, all kinds of people swim in them. They pee, fart, defecate, vomit in these beaches. Yet the following day people still swim in them. Why?. Bcus it is clean. Why is it clean?. Bcuz it is not stagnant water. The impurities wash off but the beaches are clean. Take for instance the African beaches especially nigeria where a whale was butchered and its blood polluted the beach. The Beach is clean bcuz blood stain is temporary bcuz the water is not stagnant.

PervertProphet:
Dundee United.

Didinrin.

If not ogi that Allah have used to replace your brain. You would know that obviously there are different qur'ans going by the topic I am trying that we discuss but you keep dodging with all these your diversionary moves because you a nonentity and dwell on lies...

Answer my same question that I have been asking for hours.

How many qur'an manuscripts do you know?

thanks for the insults. Your predecessors did worse 6 yrs ago. They asked similar question and many more worst than yours but they failed.

Search this platform for Qur'an manuscripts or type related words. You get to see threads after threads created by your fellow CHRISTIANs. At the end they put their tail between their legs and walked away.

I have no time for your gibberish.

PervertProphet:
You think you made sense with "Bring a qur'an that is different....." Line a popnd you called that stupid statement of yours a "bold challenge..."

I should bring it to your house so you would kill me like the bloodthirsty jihadist you are. Seize the copy and burn it like Uthman, abi.

All these your escapist moves will not work.

Stay on the topic.
I have been asking same question since.
How many qur'an manuscripts do you know?
Let's iron this out.

All these your running about won't help you.

alright case closed. No one asked you to bring it to my house. If you have common sense you should know I'm talking about online.

You have nothing upstairs jare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uooIx_DuC78&t=800s

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Seriously you need your head checked. Irrational and blind hatred will not help you in the least. Camel urine predated Islam in the sense that the medicine existed before Prophet Muhammad (saw). Which means arabs were using it prior.

When to the prophet came they continued to use it for ailments. Prophet would not object to some of the culture he met with them as long as there's no Haram therein.

Every nation has their way of curing ailment. We have ours in Yorubaland, igboland, hausaland respectively. It doesn't mean camel urine is universal for all humans due to Hadith that indicates this e exception. The hadith goes thus;


Narrated Anas (ra): The climate of Al Madina did not suit some people, so the Prophet (pbuh) ordered them to proceed along with his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine) ..."

Saheeh Al Bukhaari - Vol 7, Hadith 5686


Some said prophet(SAW) never gave such an order. In fact some Tribals who had come to Madinah, to convert to Islam, but fell ill, asked the Prophet to allow them to allow them to seek this type of treatment as this was what their people used to treat such illnesses as they had. So you can see the treatment predated islam. It is more like local medicine. Don't you have ridiculous medicines in your tribes in Africa?. As silly as they might sound or look, if they work for you there is no problem in that. Do you even know that in western world some people drink their own urine for ailment?. So suck it up, buddy

It is not much now. Only 2. compared to places like Asian continent which is usually 7.8 magnitude.

But I hope they get through this.

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You constitute nuisance now

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what took you so long?. i was so surprised that you didn't post the pictures very early. I have indicated in my previous post that "except the primitives".

Who does this in Nigeria for instance?. No. So it is foolish of you to accuse all Muslims of this when, in fact, we are not homogeneous people. Not even all Arabs do that.

Guy, bring a Quran that is different from the one we have. This is a bold challenge to me, far more challenging than your silly question.

PervertProphet:
Iru! Oh!

Ah! you are not escaping oh!

All those your escapist moves will not work.
This is that diversionary moves you do to make it seem that you have something to offer.

You like lies.

Answer my questions so we can finish this?
Let me repeat it again now asking just a question at a time since you are now an "active Dodger"

How many of the qur'an manuscripts do you know?

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foolishness in your head is that, you are comparing centuries long medical solution to 21st century. I don't expect anyone in modern time to drink camel urine direct like that except, perhaps, the primitives. They refine it. You can criticize it all you want. Do you know that your feces and urines are refined and turned to drinking water?. In case you don't know ask Bill Gates. I know you are going to say "it is refined water". Can you drink it 5 mins later knowing too well it was feces just 5 mins ago?.

So what difference does it make if it was camel waste?. You have most likely drank camel urine already without knowing. All the liquids at the pharmacies, you think say the contents came from heaven?


Yeyeman

So much empty talks. Fí òrò lè. Mú èrí wá(bring your proof). When we criticized Bible of distortions we brought forward evidences i:e different Bibles where words are completely changed or expunged. So I don't need story. Either bring your proof or shut up

PervertProphet:
Hahahaha!

Clown.

You exposed a "founder" that is better in all aspects than your Pedophile Prophet Muhammad and you say you have sense.

In the voice of Mr. Macaroni: "you are doing well at your stupidity"

Now, you have dodged the qur'an manuscripts questions.

I know you are slow so let take this slow with you.

First, do you know any of the qur'an manuscripts available today?

Have you heard of any of these:
Sana'a palimpsest, etc.

Now let me take you through the questions like the baby you are because you are quite slippery like a snake.

Do you know that there are several issues with the qur'an when put up against the supposed qur'an manuscripts?like how even some qur'an manuscripts are even older than Muhammad the supposed person who revealed them? Hahahaha!
You do know that these are findings by even Islamist scholars of whom fatwas have been issued on their heads(so much for the "religion of peace" always scared of criticism).

PervertProphet:
It's funny that the website on your Nairaland signature is "search for the truth kind of".

You far from the truth so hopefully keep searching for it but know all that taqiyya will never save you.

I am waiting for your discussion on the problems of the qur'an manuscripts.

See you jumped again. Insecure lazy youth. I already exposed founder of your religion, lying Paul.

Sorry, there was no problems with Qur'an manuscripts. It is over 1400 years already. So stop being a crying baby and fix your religion.

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CHRISTIANITY has nothing to do with Jesus. Stop linking Jesus to CHRISTIAN/CHRISTIANITY.

Here are your headslammering popes they are following the Bible. You know better than them?

I have noticed you love diversions due to lack of self confidence. So answer my question. You can't be jumping here and there like frog

PervertProphet:
Seriously!!!!

Are for real!!!

You think that's a serious question to ask.

Oh! Abdul of Pedophilia. You guys don't cease to amaze me.

Why don't we discuss about serious intellectual question like why some of the Birmingham qur'an ancient fragments is older than Muhammad who purportedly revealed them?

Hahahaha!

Is that not strange?!!

Muhammad lived between 570 to 632 AD (AD- After the death of Jesus Christ)

The claim by Islamic tradition is that between 610 to 632 AD, the year of his death that he was posioned that he received the qur'an revelations.

And even at that time. The qur'an was not complied in a book form.

Caliph Abu Bakr started the collection and the final book form done by Caliph Uthman in 650 AD.

Now put one plus one together and notice what's puzzling. I know you don't have brain but at least you understand what any intelligent person will ask.

If Uthman completed the complete qur'an in 650 AD. How come we have the Birmingham qur'an fragments that dates two years even before Muhammad was born?

Does that tell you something?
It looks like the imposter plagiarizer Prophet Muhammad took some ancient book before him that he found in the Hira cave and revealed it as his own from his alter ego, Allah.

Something is not adding up. A qur'an that is already in existence some hundred of years before Muhammad. The guy is a 419. Plain and simple. I personally regard him as the World's greatest con who ever existed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlrK7JyjIQw

advocatejare:
The Muhammad that ate the poison acknowledged that he got sick from the poison and that he was dying from the poisoned food that he ate, but here you are trying to tell us that your prophet was lying for saying he didn't eat the poison.



Unlike Muhammad, those that died from the poison were those who had already swallowed the poisoned meat, Muhammad had only tasted it and even at that its effect was still felt on his uvula and he eventually got sick and died from the poison.

Who's this advocate of shaitan?

Story. Tell me just 3 things that Jesus did, that CHRISTIANs do today please then I will believe you

PervertProphet:
You know you are beginning to sound like you are drunk off camel urine mixed with a little zam-zam water.

You are beginning to steer this conversation to all those Zaik Nair fables that teach you guys at your Dawah places that do not allign with historical facts. Those conspiracy theories only impress the Ignorant Muslim ummah. Not people who take out time to research these facts.

Christians right from the 1st century already had business with Jesus. Even 600 plus years after the Pedophile Muhammad was born and Jesus had ascended 600 plus years back. There are even several hadiths of Christian Churches even right here in Africa during the time of the Pedophile Muhammad.

Even Muslim expositors generally agree that Tafsirs on Surah 36:13-29 in the qur'an affirms the disciples of Jesus Christ as messengers of God with even Paul called in Arabic term as Bulus were sent with great powers. It makes sense since only God can send messengers and Jesus sent messengers ( Shamoun or Simon, Yuhanna or John and Bulus or Paul).

Go read Tafsir al-jalalayn on Surah 36 ayah 13. Also, Tafsir by Inn Abbas as regards Surah 36 ayahs 13&14.

Read what Al-Tabari recorded about this. This infers that Paul that Muslims despise is even a better Prophet than that Pedophile called Muhammad. Why should Christians be proud of their Pauline heritage. The Change in lifestyle. Paul went from a murderer to a saint after submitting to Jesus Christ. On the other hand Muhammad went from an innocent good young man to a murderous cross-dresser Pedophile pervert and plagiarizer after submitting to Allah and getting some purported revelations.

I usually tell Christians if only you guys know the history of Paul especially after his conversion to Jesus Christ. You guys would be so proud of him unlike Muhammad who every sane person with a healthy brain not a deformed conscience eroded would be ashamed of how dirty Muhammad lived after supposedly coming under Allah. He became worst.

Paul had a first class mind. Muhammad was a stark illiterate. Some of the statements Muhammad made. Paul would never think that way and the funny thing is Muhammad came hundred of years after Paul so you would think that at least by Muhammad's time. Knowledge has increased a little more than Paul's time. Paul's brain to Muhammad is like comparing Albert Einstein's iq to a goat. That's how bad it is.

I have did a simple test where I have had my Atheist friends read the letters of Paul and the qur'an of Muhammad and there is no dispute as to who between the two has a greater mind.

Even islamic scholars collaborate the Bible accounts when they agree that Antioch was the first city to believe in al-Masih.

I am going to do a post later comparing the lifestyle of Paul and Muhammad and let's see who lived better.

Bloody Taqiyyists!!

PervertProphet:
A [s]Muslim may wish to argue that these verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims as those who truly believe in Christ and dominate till the Resurrection Day. This explanation fails to resolve the issue. The passages do not say that Christ’s followers would only prevail from the time of Muhammad’s advent, but from the time that Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of Resurrection.

In fact, this Muslim view can be found in the commentary of the late Mufti Shafi' Uthmani who wrote regarding Surah 61:14:

Baghawi interprets this verse in the light of a narration of Sayyidna Ibn 'Abbas that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to the heaven, his followers disagreed and became three groups. A group claimed that He was Himself God who went back to the heaven. The second group claimed that He Himself was not God, but God's son. God lifted him up and salvaged him from the enemies and granted him superiority. The third group proclaimed the truth and said that he was neither god nor the son of god, but that he was Allah's servant and His messenger. Allah took him away to the heaven and to protect him from the enemies, and to raise his status. Those people were the true believers. Different sectors of the general public attached themselves to each one of these groups. The groups clashed with one another. The two of the non-believing groups overpowered the third group, which was a group of true believers. Eventually, Allah raised the Final Messenger of Allah who supported the group of the true believers. This group thus dominated the others because of their correct belief and its solid proofs confirmed by the Qur'an. [Mazhari].

In this interpretation, the phrase ... "those who believed [14]" would refer to the Ummah of the Prophet 'Isa who would triumph against the unbelievers with the help and support of the Final Messenger. [Mazhari]. Some scholars hold that when Prophet 'Isa was raised to heaven, his followers were divided into two groups. One of them believed that he was God or God's son and thus they became polytheists. The other group believed that he was servant of Allah and His Messenger, and thus they stuck to the right religion. Then there was a war between the believers and the unbelievers. Allah GRANTED VICTORY to the believing faction of Prophet 'Isa against the unbelieving faction. But it is popularly understood that in the religion of Prophet 'Isa the institution of jihad did not exist. Therefore, it is inconceivable that believers would have waged a war. [Ruh-ul-Ma'ani]. However, it is possible that the unbelieving Christians might have started the war and the believing Christians were forced to defend themselves. This will not fall under the category of war. (Uthmani, Maariful Quran, Volume 8, pp. 443-444; source; capital and underline emphasis ours)

We already noted the problem with this explanation, but it bears repeating: the text of Sura 61:14 does not say that Jesus' true followers would prevail only at the time of Muhammad, but that they were clearly given the victory over the unbelievers from the very start. This means that the second interpretation proposed by the Mufti is the sounder one (even though this also has serious historical problems). Moreover, although we agree with the Mufti that Jesus never commanded jihad for his followers, his comments are in direct conflict with the Quran which claims that Allah did command Christians to observe jihad in the Gospel:

Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur'an. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success. S. 9:111 Hilali-Khan

Be that as it may, it is quite apparent from the Mufti's comments that Muslims really had a hard time trying to reconcile the Quran with the historical fact that the Christianity that has prevailed till this day is that which Paul taught and which is recorded in the pages of the NT!

This is perhaps why men such as Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Kathir, al-Tabari, al-Qurtubi, and al-Thalabi could view Paul in such a positive light. They seemingly realized that Paul had a tremendous influence in the growth and spread of Christianity, and had been sovereignly used by God as his instrument of domination over the unbelievers (see the article The Apostles of Christ: Messengers of God or Mere Disciples?).

To summarize the Islamic evidence, we discovered that

The Quran records the domination of Christ’s true believers over the disbelievers.
This domination would continue till the Day of Resurrection.
Paul’s message dominated and became superior to all other opposing messages.
This implies that if the Quran is right then Paul’s message must be correct.
Yet, these factors introduce the following problems for the Muslims:

The Quran contradicts the core teachings of the Apostle Paul as well as the message of the Holy Bible as a whole.
Since the Quran and early Muslim commentators clearly testify to the accuracy and legitimacy of Paul’s preaching, this means that the Quran cannot be the word of God. Rather, it must be the word of fallible men such as Muhammad and/or others.
This also implies that the author(s) of the Quran was (were) unaware of the true message of the Holy Bible and of the Apostle Paul, and thought that it agreed with his (their) own preaching. The author(s) presumably thought that in acknowledging the testimony of the Holy Bible he (they) would therefore be legitimizing the prophetic claims of Muhammad. Had he (they) been aware of the true message of the Holy Bible the author(s) might not have given so much credence to both Paul and the Holy Bible.
This concludes our paper. We pray that our risen Lord and immortal Savior will use this to bring precious Muslims into his glorious love and truth. Amen. Come Lord Jesus, come. We will always love you by God’s all powerful, sovereign grace.[/s]

you keep jumping from one topic to another. Looks like you don't have confidence in yourself.

Anyways, what's CHRISTIANs business with Jesus?. CHRISTIANs/christianity have nothing in common with Jesus (p). CHRISTIANs are keferi(disbelievers). Christianity is from Rome. Jesus never went to Rome. Paul was the founder of CHRISTIANITY.

I have recently dealt with the issue on this platform with one of your brothers in faith
in this thread

Be sure you read the few pages so that you know who you are dealing with.

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Alhamdululah you have confirmed medicine come from animal. This is all we need. Maybe you should worry about your brothers and sisters who drink cleaning product that i use to clean restrooms


59 dead as Prophet makes Members Of His Church drink “Dettol” in Church

https://enfransmedia.com/index.php/2020/03/10/59-dead-as-prophet-makes-members-of-his-church-drink-dettol-in-church/


Now, talking about headslammers, we got many of them in the Bible



Jesus is headslammer in John 19:30


".... Then he bowed his head..."


Matthew 26:39 Jesus was headslammer

"Going a little further he fell on his face on the ground and prayed.."


Exodus 34:8

"Moses bowed his head into the ground and worship"



2 Chronicles 20:18


"Johoshapat bowed his head to the ground.."


John 18:

Many headslammers in the Bible when they saw Jesus



Genesis 17:3

Abraham fell on his face and prayed


Don't forget to read what your silly sheeples are doing. They need to start arresting pastors for stupidity and entire africa continent needs to rehabilitate CHRISTIANs and give them good orientation bcuz they are getting ridiculous everyday like you

Next, pastor is gonna shit in their mouths, and that will be automatic "Holy Shit"