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Indeed, a loyal nigga wont even think of a side chick. The lady got the best reply

Fact is that in this day and age, forget about loyalty. Having size chick is like having side dish

Sino, is your last post to me in reference to the video I posted up there? . In that case, obviously that's referring to men but sheikh is talking about overwhelming single females who can't find husbands bcus most male can't afford to take on second wife etc. .

So that verse appears to be talking to men.

This is new video and he seems to address the issue of mulikyamin here again. He is appealing to men to take on second wife

Also, sheikh insists that Quran speaks of "orphan girls" not slave. Remember albaqir and ikupakuti disagreed with him?. He seems to be talking about ملك اليمين

You are free to disagree with him. The sheikh is explaining other form of nikkah which i was asking sino, and that's mulkiyamin which sunnis largely seen as 'doesn't exist" today due to 'misinterpretation of mulkiya min to mean slaves. I have said it before that mulikiyamin is other form of nikkah that is unconventional. The sheikh gets angry talking about this and really gets emotional that many muslims today may charge a muslim for zina if taken a woman as mulikiyamin. What i want to understand is distinction btw nikāḥ al-mutʿah and mulikiyamin


Enjoy the show if you can

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqkUNpE1waI

Animals in Nija are not different from the people. He removed the wheel cover to sell at Alaba market to Omo Una


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRG4KBJJqU8

Rilwayne001:

He would be going through all types of punishments already

Aminu212:
Am sorry bro if my comment irritates you but its just that am tired of this theory you guys are giving us.

Lets go into the practical aspect!!!

what is tiring you here?. You better resolve everything here now before you are confronted by christian fanatics on this topic in the future.

Aminu212:
Albaqir, Empiree pls help a brother here
Can you guys please arrange me women like 3(or more) that i can be performing mutah with?

could you stop this nonsense please?. I am serious here and you are talking trash.

sino:
Okay, Nikkah is Nikkah once all the conditions for a Nikkah are met. I don't know of non conventional nikkah out of necessity, what Islam prescribes is to get married if you can, and if you cannot, then engage in fasting.

Indeed, nikah is nikah with all the conditions. But remember mut'ah itself had conditions. I just feel like argument against muta isnt strong at all except for its prohibition during khaybar. That's the only strong argument against it. The rest are framework. I believe MUTA as exactly practiced at that time is still valid but with qualified women only. The ahadith which go against it, no matter how mutawatir they are can not abrogate Qur'an. Let's forget about abusers of MUTA. They only use it as cover up but are actually committing zina. If the conditions in those days remain today, then, MUTA is valid bcus no ayah of Quran is redundant till qiyamah. Nabi(saw) might made it haram for the fact that the conditions no longer existed. But to compare MUTA to swine, wine etc is outrageous. I even read during my research that the same way alcohol was consumed pre-islamic Arab's was the same way muta was hobby of the Arabs. This is really ridiculous.

Neither nabi nor Allah ordered them to drink alcohol but MUTA was recommended as alternative for those men. Allah did not order fawaish. If muta was zina as claimed by Abu Mussab Wajdi Akkari, when he defines muta as "when someone commits zina with a woman as prost!tute in the name of a legal islamic marriage, no more no less." Watch him on youtube. It is only 6 minutes video. Question is did nabi ordered sahaba to commit zina?.


So for anyone to say MUTA means zina will have to answer that on the Day of Qiyamah. Look back up and read images posted where someone said that today, marriage is late but zina is rampant. This is good talk. Why do people not fast today to avoid zina?. It is easy to narrate the hadith in question but when it comes to practical aspect, wallah only below 1% can actually fast for that purpose outside of ramadan. The purpose of MUTA was to avoid committing zina to begin with. That's why the conditions were set by nabi(saw) at that time too.


Now that marriage is late but zina is everywhere, what is the solution?. Forget about telling people to fast bcus they won't unless they want to deceive themselves. Now people here should not think that just bcus we defend muta theoretically means we practice it. This is for academic purposes. Many people, muslims or non-muslims would generally go for "conventional marriage" anytime any day bcuz that's ideal and the best. It is like asking a lady to be your babymama while she can easily get married responsibly. She will choose the proper nikkah over babymama. So muta is restricted to certain type of people. My research is still on this subject and i will gladly like to read convincing narration than what we already know so far.

Below i copied in response to the Sheikh

Interesting, i am seeing this tafsir first ever in this version. Never read it like this before. I want to believe tafasir were referring SAUM since SAUM had always been observed prior to nabi Medina. When muslims came to Madinah they followed the same pattern of fasting before Ramadan was legislated. Hence, previous pathern was stopped. Anyways, i dont want to derail this. I thought Ramadan has always been the way we practice is now (from sunup to sundown) rather than overnight

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I believe the verse you cited was in reference to the Jews prior to abrogation of their mosaic form of fasting. The Jews used to fast around the clock. Ramadan now abrogates that. That's when Allah permit them to eat and enjoy their wives during the nights. So the fasting in that ayah was that of the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRBO_LmqxEg

sino:
Bro, I do not understand your question...

As in, aside from CONVENTIONAL MARRIAGE as we know it, does islam allows for other type of nonconventional marriage for necessities but doesn't have to be temporary?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlxFgSfg1NA

AlBaqir:
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# Has sheik hamza resolved his problem with the American black Muslims yet?

LOL, I think so http://mvslim.com/10771-2/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJd7bwEpwMk

Actually, question i have for sino is, do you believe there exist a non-conventional nikkah besides conventional marriage or not?

iamgenius:
Did I say it's BID'AH? Read what I wrote again.

of course you didnt but your statement is in the borderline

Raintaker:
Well, Ma salamat= With peace.
Bi salam also means with peace.

What I think is , non Arabic speakers do not want to repeat the word Ma salam when replyiny, that's why they changed it to Bi salam which also means the same thing.
But to me, it seems wrong grammatically.


Ma salamat =Ma salamat






My opinion, it might be wrong though.

i dont think it has anything to do with non muslims actually unless it can be theoretically proven. It is common grammar in arabic. Search on net and you see arab actually seldom use it. As always, none of these is obligatory, and it is nonissue. I dont even recollect the last time i heard until you brought it up here

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Smh...I won't drag this. I knew you would end up saying this. Greeting is greeting. Just like saying "eld mubarak" etc even if sahaba didn't do it. But at masjid I frequent, they are adherents of salafism and their mufti said

"greeting is greeting if the content is khayr...doesn't matter if salaf did it or not. ..ignore the zealots "

For this reason, I wont drag this with you. It has nothing to do with bidah. So get over it.

salaam alaikum sino,

Your writeup got holes in my view. You got two problems:

# comparison btw Mutah, pork or swine etc


# and then you said it is forbidden still.


Pork or swine has always made HARAM. There was no time in history of Islam it was halal. It is ONLY exception in case of necessity.

Mutah on the other hand was HALAL at out start(Allah did not order fawaish) before it was forbidden. See the difference?. And now you said it is only an exception in case of neccesity like "scarcity of women" ? . During the time of nabI (saw), was mutah practiced because of SCARCITY OF WOMEN?. WAS THAT THE REASON FOR MUTAH?. Please I would like to see evidence of that. Thanks.

I believe that mutah is indeed a case of neccesity even now in 2017. This is not like the case of pork. Pork was always Haram. The implication is that, according to your post, if mutah is an alternative exception then it is not haram. Now blames are shifted on s. Ibn Abass (r). I have no problems with mutah being banned in the lifetime of the prophet (saw) but why did they continue to practice it afterward? . Were women scarced still?.

Anyways, this is not "SUSHI" thing anymore because sunni arabs themselves practice "misyar", and misyar has element of mutah attached. So what's the fuss exactly?. I have always said that sunni in most cases are guilty of the very same thing they accused shi'a of.

Once again, similarity you drawn btw mutah and pork is illogical. If the condition in the time of nabi (SAW) which brought about mutah to begin with is here today, then mutah is still valid on the basis of that. Mutah is not about meeting any woman and jump into it.

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why are you in haste to declare somethign not good?. All types of greetings that are sahih are all okay to use. There is nothing wrong with it.

Ma-Salaam مع السلامة = Goodbye. Goodbye is used in Arabic, farewell. Farewell is used in Arabic. The word masalam is used in Arabic meaning goodbye,farewell. It's like wishing you a peaceful and safety journey or other stuff.....we said this when we goodbye someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfDr9Fyi4So

AlBaqir:
# How do you propose to a girl in girlfriendship Zina relationship or envisaging permanent marriage? Its either she accept or not. However, it is very imperative that both consenting qualified adults should know what Mut'ah is, agreed to its terms and conditions before jumping into it.

# NB: A woman after the fixed term of Mut'ah MUST observe her iddah period before she can have luxury of doing another one.

I think the reason sunni largely detests mutah today, apart from propaganda, is abuse of mutah itself. That however should not have anything to do with essence.

Second, absolutely both parties MUST understand the conditions attached.

Bi -Salam means "with peace" or "in peace"

Like we say Bi smillah

'Bi' acts on the succeeding verb and changes its vowel. It also gives the meanings of ‘for or through’.


بي سالم "with peace"

AlBaqir:
I didn't get your question?

Like saying to a woman "can you be my mut'ah". Far as i am concern, it is inappropriate

AlBaqir:
# That is exactly what makes it "Mut'ah (timed or temporary)". So, removing that it is no longer Mut'ah. And you can see the Sunni creation of "Az-Zawaj bi niyyat talaq - Marriage with the intention of divorce (only by the man)", they tried to avoid the "agreed time contract between the two consenting adults".

How about coaxing or talking the woman into it, is that appropriate?

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This reminds of just a month ago when ikupakuti said is it (mut'ah) not better than zina when we were discussing sexual perversion in the west. I stylishly refrained from commenting on it but inside me i was like 'so this brother is "mutahbaha"

Raintaker:
What is the difference between Zina, Muttah and Misyar?
Muttah and Misyar involve payment to the female while Zina does not.
But Modern boyfriend gives some money to the modern girlfriend so its not Zina.
Its Muttah or Misyar? What am I even saying?

You will see lots of dramas for here

Look where this sheikh said what is frown upon in sunni schools is time period placed on it which is also in harmony with what sheikh imran hussein said. He said dont place time period on it

# Absolutely NOT on this thread. They need to first swallow their pride and ACCEPT that their Salafs were "people of Zina" (if they continue to maintain it is Zina).

# If we are able to come to this bitter agreement, then bring it on we can then start the debate afresh on validity/invalidity of Mut'ah.

I get it