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 Islam › Re: The Fatal Error Of Allah by Empiree: 7:52pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
UmarIbnShittu:You are dealing with dull people especially Op |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 6:38pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AlBaqir:I thought there are differences amongst the Sahabi based on evidences provided by you and sino? MODIFIED: that was abrogation of mut'ah # While I hate discussing Iranian affairs, I think it is high time to enlist the MUT'AH processes as well stated in Shi'a books of ahadith.You'd better discuss it but i wont hold you responsible for what they do. I believe you read comment from MISYAR I posted twice. Is that how it is done and it that what they called mut'ah and do you agree with this practice (even though you don't engage in it)?. |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 6:29pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Your opinion. How is it "shameful act". My view is that we talking about war zone here. Their husbands die in war. It doesn't mean they call their husbands in their presence now. It is war zone. As for those crackheads, they can use and misuse the ayah, that's their problem. They are wrong bcuz they are simply causing terror and fitna in the land. Their fight is not legit. So their use of the ayah is irrelevant # Now come to the issue leaving the Hadith aside for a while, these are MY UNDERSTANDING:No problem with this A. Islam has abolished slavery therefore they are not to be kept or called as slave.Thats right. That's why Sheikh Imran perhaps refused to use SLAVE WOMEN since owing slave legally is now abolished C. Naturally, it is extremely difficult for these kind of women to go into a new environment all alone - No house to live, no work, no money, no nothing. So, it is rational to remain with their bosses. What will become of their lives?right SUNNI is of interpretation that they are still slaves and you can have sex with them as you desire. There are lots of interesting ahadith here apart from the above.That's Sunni's problem if they chose to be static. As you can see Sheikh Imran moves away from that. Since Quran functions till last day, the ayah is no longer a case of slavery unless for historical context. It needs to be understood in the context of present Age [b]SHEIK IMRAN HUSSEIN SUBMISSIONExactly what i m talking about. What's the point of calling them slaves now if slavery was abolished and is illegal now?. I am not saying there aren't slaves somewhere but universally, it is not acceptable in our modern world. B. Sheik's theory is you can decided to "marry" such women with a second class conditions (IF SHE AGREES) compare to the full conditions of your "normal" wife(s). He cited an example of financial responsibility (for example if the man is running away from multiple marriage because of financial incapability). He argued you do not need to finance and take full responsibility of her as you do with your "real" wife.This is what i was trying to get your view and sino. So now what's your position on what he said plus, what's the correlation between this and mut'ah?. Remember this is the same ayah of 'muta'h as you claimed? # Truly there are women especially in this age that will definitely take and embrace such offer.Here we go # Apart from the fact that, sheik's theory is absolutely not the outward meaning of the verse, the children born in this sheik's theory, who will be responsible for their upkeeps?Similar lecture he delivered before this one, he said the child his legit(HALAL) and the child is treated in the same level of his wife's children. ONLY the "second class" woman is impacted by this type of marriage.The children have the same rights. |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 5:12pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Thats why i dont waste my time either. I just wanted to confirm if the ayah was revealed about mut'ah. I do not believe the hadith can abrogate any verse of Quran. This has always been my position. Unfortunately upon research, i realized that there seems to be division over it. IF it was indeed verse of mut'ah the hadith which states that mut'ah was banned till qiyama will have to sit aside for a moment. This is the same with case of rajm. And then we can move to next step as to whether MUTA"H is what is being practice by iranian agent |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Singles: Why Are You Not Married? by Empiree: 5:03pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
loshybab:Nice. I won't say. I'd refer you find out yourself  |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 4:30pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Ssthorm:Perhaps, you should be in this thread to contribute This is for women so you should know your rights  1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 4:24pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 4:22pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Prohibiting the Mut’ah of Marriage Mujahid stated that, فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً “So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due,” was revealed about the Mut'ah marriage. A Mut'ah marriage is a marriage that ends upon a predetermined date. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that the Leader of the Faithful `Ali bin Abi Talib said, “The Messenger of Allah prohibited Mut`ah marriage and eating the meat of domesticated donkeys on the day of Khaybar (battle).” In addition, in his Sahih, Muslim recorded that Ar-Rabi` bin Sabrah bin Ma`bad Al-Juhani said that his father said that he accompanied the Messenger of Allah during the conquest of Makkah, and that the Prophet said, يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي كُنْتُ أَذِنْتُ لَكُمْ فِي الاسْتِمْتَاعِ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ، وَإنَّ اللهَ قَدْ حَرَّمَ ذَلِكَ إِلى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ، فَمَنْ كَانَ عِنَدَهُ مِنْهُنَّ شَيْءٌ فَلْيُخَلِّ سَبِيلَهُ، وَلَا تَأْخُذُوا مِمَّا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ شيئًا “O people! I allowed you the Mut`ah marriage with women before. Now, Allah has prohibited it until the Day of Resurrection. Therefore, anyone who has any women in Mut`ah, let him let them go, and do not take anything from what you have given them.” Allah’s statement, وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ “but if you agree mutually (to give more) after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you.” is similar to His other statement, وَءَاتُواْ النِّسَآءَ صَدُقَـتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً “And give to the women their dowry with a good heart.” The meaning of these Ayat is: If you have stipulated a dowry for her, and she later forfeits it, either totally or partially, then this bears no harm on you or her in this case. Ibn Jarir said, “Al-Hadrami said that some men would designate a certain dowry, but then fall into financial difficulties. Therefore, Allah said that there is no harm on you, O people, concerning your mutual agreement after the requirement (has been determined).” meaning, if she gives up part of the dowry, then you men are allowed to accept that. Allah’s statement, إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً “Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.” is suitable here, after Allah mentioned these prohibitions. BTW, this is critical subject for our sisters but where are they?. They should be here to contribute their views on this like ayinba1, sissie, etc. Anyways, this ayah has nothing to do with rape. This verse is being horribly abused by the haters of Islam. They say Islam allows raping! [b]"[/b]What does holding with right hand really mean? My understanding is the woman is a war captive and her husband is NOT captivated, You take care of her and she is completely depending on you. If the woman is captivated with her husband the marriage continues. Under any conditions this verse makes a correction of the pre-Islamic habit! The verse in my opinion is crystal clear. You are not allowed to touch the captive woman unless you marry her. The marriage has to be mutually agreed on, you must pay her dowers, give her gifts, you must be sincere and not chasing your lust. Is not this exactly the opposite of raping?. Islamophobics use a hadith from abu dawud to justify themselves. The hadith is translated as “in the presence of their husbands” these words are not in the original text! The hadith is not even 100% sahih. And the verse is being revealed after the incident and correcting the muslims. This is how I see it. Could somebody please look into this and make a detailed explanation?" Underlined is what Sheikh Imran is talking about but he shies away from using "slave women". |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 3:50pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
The Ayah 24 in sura Nisai has been used by islamophobes to criticise islam of allowing raping women but this is not the case at all. Here is a little break down of the preceding phrase leading to the issue if 'mut'ah Forbidding Women Already Married Except for Female Slaves Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala said, وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ “Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.”The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ “except those whom your right hands possess” except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, “We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed, وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.” This is the wording collected by At-Tirmidhi An-Nasa’i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim in his Sahih. Allah’s statement, كِتَـبَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ “Thus has Allah ordained for you” means, this prohibition was ordained for you by Allah. Therefore, adhere to Allah’s Book, do not transgress His set limits, and adhere to His legislation and decrees. The Permission to Marry All Other Women Allah subhaanhu wa ta’ala said, وَأُحِلَّ لَكُمْ مَّا وَرَاءَ ذَلِكُمْ “All others are lawful” meaning, you are allowed to marry women other than the prohibited types mentioned here, as `Ata’ and others have stated. Allah’s statement, أَن تَبْتَغُواْ بِأَمْوَلِكُمْ مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـفِحِينَ “provided you seek them (with a dowry) from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication,” meaning, you are allowed to use your money to marry up to four wives and for (the purchase of) as many female slaves as you like, all through legal means, مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـفِحِينَ “(desiring) chastity, not fornication.” Allah’s statement, فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً “So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due,” means, to enjoy them sexually, surrender to them their rightful dowry as compensation. |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 3:39pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
At first, myself didn't see how the ayah 24 was revealed about "Muta'h marriage". I understood it differently to mean dowry given to ones wife. Upon further research shows that even Sahaba and the imams had diverse opinion as to whether it was revealed about muta'h or not. I was going to make my conclusion on muta'h today before reading your last post. I have also came across a short article confirming the ayah was revealed about mutah. The thing is, as said ulama, that if there is a diversity on a topic on Islam, it should never be a cause schism amongst muslims to the point of the approach of mrolai for instance. It is not fair to ask albaqir to defend agency in Iran that is handling mutah or to hold him responsible for what any agency handling muta'h marriage in Iran is doing because he's not Iranian or Iranian citizen. He should be asked to defend text. That's is his limit. I was going to ask him about how it is practiced there if he supports it, especially a comment I posted by a guy who claimed he married for a week? . But I realized that it isn't fair unless albaqir would shed light?. Here is the guy's comment again. Misyar marriage is similar to Muta marriage which is practiced in Iran. I went there in April and was offered a temporary wife for week. I wasn't sure of this was permitted. So their scholar showed me evidence that temporary marriages were allowed by the Prophet. I phoned home to ask Sheikh Qaradawi. He said yes Muta marriages were done but later stopped. Anyway, I was in the mood. So I did it to the pretty Iranian lady. She was a widowed aged 32. She was very lovely. I got photo of her on my Facebook. The divorce was automatic after 7 days. I paid her 400 dollars marriage gift. No strings attached. It was so easy. Hassle free.So I'm against this practice bcus, in the context of the ayah, it has to do with certain types of women (call them slaves if you like) but the lady this guy was 'married' to for a week isn't in my view. I believe she is free woman and should marry instead. besides, ,most men can go a week without the need for this Walahu alam |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Singles: Why Are You Not Married? by Empiree: 2:13pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Ssthorm:both sides are guilty |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 1:53pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AlBaqir: |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Singles: Why Are You Not Married? by Empiree: 1:00pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Ssthorm:you trouble maker  I saw your post in the other thread too bothering the brothers. Chai, how do you live with yourself   |
| Islam › Re: Muslim Singles: Why Are You Not Married? by Empiree: 12:57pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
loshybab:Welcome Aboard. wa iyyakum |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 10:46am On Oct 29, 2017 |
sino: |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 7:16pm On Oct 28, 2017 |
sino:perhaps you misunderstood this?. I meant it is like readin text but when it comes to practical aspect, it becomes difficult. For instance, in sura Isra, Allah forbids zina. No muslim preachers, scholars, dai'i etc would preach legality of zina. They all gonna say 'zina is haram'. This is theory. But practically, is it not easy. If you are alone with a beautiful woman where there is no third party, you will forget about Quran ans sunnah really quick. So bottomline is, it is easily said than done. Thats my point. What is apparent is that people are committing zina in the name of mut'ah,Ibo ni e fi oruko si tele ti e n je sino mut'ah had been prohibited by the Prophet (SAW), and this was the consensus of the sahabas when Umar (ra) restated the prohibition, none of them countered him!I will tell later why this prohibition is not till Qiyamah in my subsequent post but you don't have to agree First mut'ah is never the solution for this, because even during the time it was permitted, it was during expeditions or long travelling. Secondly, Islam had already provided solutions with respect to training our children and living in the society. Early marriage is one of the solution, rather than allow your 15 year old daughter to be sleeping around, why not get her married?!I dont have problems with this, and muta is not optional to begin with. Early marriage or not does not guarantee divorce free marriage. Let me ask you this perhaps, you may have a clue. What is the difference btw Nikah mut'ah and mulikatul yamin? Note: Mut'ah is quite different, for the conditions are not the same as Nikkah, the woman is not even called a wife, she has no right except for what she gets during the contract which is to be cheap, cos if it is expensive, then it defeats the purpose, again if she gets pregnant, it is her wahala, nothing binds the man to do anything, and once it is terminated, there is nothing to be given to her. Why people say it is prostitution is because they are similar, you pay for the services, which is sex! Would you like this for your daughter Empir.ee?!you raised good point @bold. But underlined, no it doesnt bcus thats backed up by the Quran somehow. I will tell you in my subsequent post later in sha Allah or when you watch the video, it answers this. See, this last paragraph is answered in that lecture as well plus this attached 16 mins video answers @blue bold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCGg1aK91Yc&t=19s |
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sino:both muta and misyar meet these conditions of nikkah. The only clause is TEMP. The TEMP aspect is not included in sheikh iman's lecture. He only said for widows and women who are not able to get married to be able to, or for men who can not afford full responsibilities of traditional nikkah, will be able to marry these women but those women would not have all the rights of wife status. Such women have lower status unlike traditional nikkah where Quran emphasizes equally maintenance of wives. He made no mentioned of mutah, temporary or misyar. The discriptions of this alternative nikkah is what I makes sense. He called it mulikatuyamin. And I read you up there that there is no more slave or slavery which brought about mulikatuyam in in the first place. Really bro?. Every ayah of Quran will continue to function till Qiyama. The form of slavery which existed those days is indeed receding and actually it is illegal but it is still exist somehow. But that's not the point. The point is another form of slavery which prompts mulikatuyamin in out time is FINANCIAL GUATANAMO. That's, monetary system which incapacitated many today. As the article suggested, it becomes difficult for people to marry due to exorbitant conditions attached. Same thing in the West, many boys and men scared to marry due to divorce law and the cost of maintenance. Divorce law screws up men. That's why marriages no longer last. That's why these girls are on the streets selling themselves and the govt don't have clue how to solve it. So the sheikh insists that Islam has solution for it which is mulikatuyamin which scholars of Islam said no longer exist bcus "there is no slavery". I don't think it is Saudi that is doing this, confirm your information properly. What I know is like in Nigeria, because saudi doesn't allow a woman to travel alone for hajj except with a mahrahm, the hajj agency here starts fixing people together so as to make these women travel for hajj.I have no clue with nija but this lady in question is American. So my point is, what shia are doing is to retain this tradition of alternative nikkah similar to mulikatuyamin. But I'm still looking for correlation btw the two which albaqir missed to respond to. It is the same saudi authority now trying to upholds due to the condition on the ground. |
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sino:Now read this. Remember i asked you like twice if there is other form of nikkah besides "conventional marriage" as we know it?. You said nikah is nikah which means there is nothing like mulikayamin or muta etc. Now read this Misyar now ‘a widespread reality’ “Misyar is widespread because many need to keep their marriages a secret, either due to the objection of the first wife or other family pressures,” Ali Al-Bakr, faculty member at KSU, told a local daily. Getting married in the Kingdom is no longer easy, according to one report, thanks to countless social and economic obstacles, including extortionate dowries, costly wedding extravaganzas and lack of housing. In a misyar marriage the woman waives some of the rights she would enjoy in a normal marriage. Most misyar brides don’t change their residences but pursue marriage on a visitation basis. Some marriage officials say seven of 10 marriage contracts they conduct are misyar, and in some cases are asked to recommend prospective misyar partners. http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/642991 Wallahi, mrolai has no case against shi'a. He needs to read this. Why condemn shi'a for holding on to alternative nikkah (mut'ah) while Sunni arabs do the very similar nikkah(misyar)?. See what the excerpt says, and watch sheikh Imran Hosein lecture i posted up there, he said something similar. And i have said the same that this alternative nikkah helps people from falling into zina. Now sino, why didnt saudi uphold kitab and sunnah injunctions which state to be chaste or fast instead of fornication?. Does the nikkah arrangement by Saudi constitutes zina or not?. Remember the reason for misyar in Saudi is bcus of growing cost of marriage to maintain their wife which Quran directly addressed. Why not order people to be chaste instead of giving them "plan B" solution to conventional marriage? The article states further, Some people believe that these factors have led to the widespread practice of misyar, which has flexible conditions compared with traditional marriages, as a last resort. “It remains an option, albeit a temporary one, which is, nevertheless, seen as unfair to women in many cases,” said a national. Now, do you still believe there is no alternative nikkah?. You said marriage is marriage. Traditional marriage mentioned in this article refers to conventional marriage i have been talking about. Evidently, if Saudi did not employ this tactic, ,millions of their women would not be married bcus men can simply not afford the responsibilities. This is very similar to what the video said. Functions of Misyra and Muta are the same. نقطة And, please don't forget to read comments below the article This is one of the comments. I can't stop laughing Remember you made fun of albaqir earlier, what's the difference now Misyar marriage is similar to Muta marriage which is practiced in Iran. I went there in April and was offered a temporary wife for week. I wasn't sure of this was permitted. So their scholar showed me evidence that temporary marriages were allowed by the Prophet. I phoned home to ask Sheikh Qaradawi. He said yes Muta marriages were done but later stopped. Anyway, I was in the mood. So I did it to the pretty Iranian lady. She was a widowed aged 32. She was very lovely. I got photo of her on my Facebook. The divorce was automatic after 7 days. I paid her 400 dollars marriage gift. No strings attached. It was so easy. Hassle free. Definitely, this would be strange to me too if I am in that region Exactly what Saudi is doing in times of Hajj. I remembered my sister-in-law went for Umra this year and she was issued certificate of marriage to another man. But my brother to whom she is married to (was not with her) rejected the idea. So i don't get the idea of condemning shi'a now. Mrolai, over to you 1 Like |
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Quote from this book indicates that it is still permissible in certain circumstances but not the way it practiced out by every TD&H as i have suggested earlier The majority of the Companions hold the view that after the completion of the Islamic legislation, mutah marriage was made absolutely haram. However, Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) holds a different opinion, permitting it in case of dire necessity. A person asked him about marrying women on a haram basis, and he permitted him to do so. A servant of his then asked, "Is this not under hard conditions, when women are few and the like?" and he replied, "Yes." (Reported by Al-Bukhari) Later, when Ibn Abbas saw that people had become lax and were engaging in haram marriages without necessity, he withdrew his ruling and retracted his previous opinion. (Zad Al-Ma`ad, vol. 4, p. 7) http://www.islamopediaonline.org/fatwa/muta-marriage-marriage-sunni-view So basically, only Ibn Abbas had different view |
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AlBaqir:isnt where the verse says "APPOINTED"? Besides, is this ayah the strongest evidence of muta according to shi'a?. If so, from the ayah where istimta appears has nothign to do with MUTA has we know it. It seems to be talking about the same woman you married to and enjoyed. If if we are to isolate the phrased as you previous opinined, it isd still referring to what i just said. This is Sahih International translation: "...So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation...." Muhammad Asad And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the cowers due to them; Malik Give them their dowry as an obligation for the benefit you have received from your marriage relationship. Pickthall And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. Yusuf Ali Seeing that ye derive benefit from them give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; So are you saying this phrase, even if taken in isolation, refers to muta marriage other than woman you married to in the same ayah at the beginning of this verse?. What i understand by the phrase is it refers to the mahr i:e bridal money given by the husband to the wife. I have always understood it this way. But i dont mind learning your view further on this for educational purposes. But if this is the strongest Quranic evidence for mut'ah, I am sorry, this is not a sound meaning. You ma have to quote how S. Ali (ra) and other prominent sahaba explained the ayah. |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 11:54pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
AlBaqir:Okay i get you but do me a favor, kindly quote the entire aya as my attachment and the highlight or underline the exact rea from sura nisa 24?. Thanks Just trying to get clearer picture. Besides, did you find time to watch the sheikh imran's video?. I want to hear your agreement or disagreement from his view on this |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 10:26pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
AlBaqir:I don't think you properly referenced this ayah. This is sahih international. istimta in this context refers to enjoyment from ones wife AFTER dowry and other conditions are met. Arabic meaning is attached
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AlBaqir: |
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MrOlai:You are correct indeed. But you have no moral right to condemn muta'h and shia on this if you can not come up with your own academic research on this subject rather than copy paste or hide behind sino |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 9:41pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
AlBaqir:is mulikatyamin used in reference to nikkah muta'h?. I don't even think istimta means 'temporarily'. # Anyway, the point remain that if the slave impregnated by Amr was his, there is no brouhaha. The fact that it raises hair brow, and he confirmed he did MUT'AH with the girl clearly confirmed she was not his.is their any report in the time nabi (saw) about children borne of muta'h and what was nabi's reaction? |
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^ You dey mind them. I even learned that Saudi authority is considering funding annual mawlud. Can't confirm this. |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 8:34pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
AlBaqir:could this be mulikiyamin we talked about?. |
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sino:oh I see. Actually I don't think my arguments since the beginning of this thread is about @bold. It is actually and more accurately is in line with points raised in the video i posted. My argument about muta since the beginning of this thread is about validity and practice of muta AFTER the demise of nabi (saw). I don't think I have raised issue with constraint about muta so far. I raised it when I posted the video. AlBaqir wants us to believe that it is impossible to stay chaste (for some people), and fasting is not 100% solutionif this is what he meant @underlined, I am sorry to disappoint you that he's right PRACTICALLY. I would imagine you would know this?. It is true that that's what Quran said (to stay chase). Thats theory. People can quote quran but when it comes to practical you know that it is not easy. Many would fall into zina. This is the reality. I don't think you viewed screenshots I posted few days ago. The sheikh said zina is everywhere but marriage is delayed. Why don't people fast?. I won't deceive myself. Don't take this to mean albaqir or me are underrating the solutions proferred by Quran and sunnah. Not at all. I'm am saying that majority of people including anti-muta actually commit zina while condemning muta. My argument for validity of muta is that it is not zina. If anyone says it is zina the implication is that you are accusing nabiy (saw) of recommending zina to sahaba at some point. That's why I said all arguments to ridicule muta are not valid except where it is reported he (saw) banned it at khaybar. I would have even asked him when is it likely for one to be sexually active and start contracting mut'ah, I mean we have 12 years old who are sexually active, perhaps they can start doing that from that age....question I would like to ask you is that what solution do you have for these kids today who are sexually active and actually committing zina everyday? . Please don't tell me they need to fast bcus practically they wont unless you want to deceive yourself. Anyways, I would like you to watch the video. If it's 44mins but the real concern actually started at around 18mins. I want to know your view. The sheikh said there exist other type of marriage similar to our normal marriage and that even sunni recognizes it with conditions. But if u insist there is no alternative marriage, why do Arab sunni invented misyar which also has elements of muta?. Misyar is not even mentioned in the kitab and sunnah. Let me remind you again that this is not about ignoring ayah of quran you quoted but I'm saying to you practically that most people do not abide by the injunction. They would commit zina. Maybe I should post the video for you to see. Will do that as soon as I get the chance. It says not all sunni ulama considered muta to be zina. The other video I posted says there is other type of marriage designed for specific female to avoid zina. Remember people, that Quran can not be translated. We can only explain Quran. We should all know that by now. |
| Islam › Re: "Why Did You Leave Sunni Islam For Shia Islam?" by Empiree: 2:45pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
Sectarianism Am out. Unfollow  |
| Islam › Re: Declare Them Adulterers So That You Can Rest In Peace by Empiree: 2:39pm On Oct 27, 2017 |
MrOlai:You contributed nothing in this thread after you are confronted. So you do not have the right to keep posting nonsense pics and accusing ppl. Besides, sino's so post you quoted is for something else |
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