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AlBaqir:
# You can only see finite and limited thing. Allah is infinite while His creatures are finite.

# You yourself quoted Qur'an saying, "NO VISIONS can see Him..."

*Please tell me that verse is only restricted to this earthly world.



# Am afraid you need to erase those bogus ahadith I highlighted above first. Those ahadith talk literarily.




# Is Qur'an not enough? Quran says:

* No vision (physical or spiritual) can see Allah.

* We showed him Our signs

What else do you need?



Where is their prove other than those bogus ahadith as against clear verses of the Quran?! Allah is INFINITE in His Essence and attributes. He only manifest to us via His attributes which our LIMITED/FINITE physical, philosophical and spiritual understanding cannot even do justice to.

How do you want to describe the Indescribable, the Infinite?

Nabi saw NOTHING of the Essence of Allah. What he saw and experienced were "SIGNS OF ALLAH."




"Seeing" here means "perception".

# Again those bogus hadiths talk literary to the extent that they liken Allah to something. Those ahadith talk Kufr.

I have not even quoted any specific hadith at all. So that no concern me and every Muslim knows Allah is infinite and can not be likened to anything.

What's shia's discriptions of how "At-tahiyat" came about?.

And what's "perception' that you said and "seeing" that I said?. Any difference?

Interesting. From what i am reading from other sources appears to point that, in Shiism, they dont seem to believe in "seeing" Allah not even in the Hereafter. This appears to be in conflict with Sunnis creed. We all can agree that this material eyes CAN NOT see God. Thats fact. To say otherwise would be kufr as in Christianity and other religions.

There are difference of opinions as to whether nabi(saw) actually saw Allah in his spiritual journey. I remembered growing up there used to be back n fourth discussions on it. What is clear however is that, nabi(saw) being up there was no longer is material body (material universe). He was in a different space and time just like encounters btw waliy or pious Muslims have to be in the state of malakut to communicate with malaika.


Some scholars are also of the opinion that Nabi(saw) did see Allah but could not describe what he saw. He was bereft of speech before he could utter "At-tahiyyat lilah". This is opinion that i hold personally. I remember my coursemate narrating this to me in his apartment in ilorin back then. It was described as seeing something in front of him but could not really figure it out. Apart from these material eyes, "seeing" Allah in the heart simply means seeing His Signs to avoid any misconceptions. Seeing Allah's Signs is beyond other Signs of Allah that our material eyes can visioned. It boils down to levels. "Oju ju oju lo"

emekaRaj:
Mmmmmmm Empiree obviously u strongly believe in this. issorai

Lol

Growing up, they used to tell us not to leave baby alone in the room. They see things.

emekaRaj:
Nobody will ever know since children cannot share their experiences.

This is where you need Ulul Albab Q39:18
or warosiquna fil ilm Imran 7

This is the End Of KiraKita faah

I am scared

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H90wWjFbuTI

Subhanallah! Who are the Ulul Albab?

Allah has given each one of us a brain, and let us use it in any way we want. Ulul Albab are the people who not only have a brain, but are gifted in knowing how to put it to its correct use. They don’t need to have the signs of Quran drilled into them by constant repetition. All they need is to look at the sky– and they can read in its vastness, its seamless beauty, the presence of One God who is Merciful, the Best Creator, the one who is Beautiful and loves beauty, the Subtle.

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for Ulul Albab. [Quran, 3:190]


The qualities of Ulul Albab

The ayat of Allah, whether natural (the sky, trees, mountains, flowers) or revealed (the Taurat, the Injeel, and the Quran) penetrate into their hearts very easily:

[This is] a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded. [Quran, 38:29]

And as a result, they automatically develop the love for natural beauty, and for the beauty of Revelation.

They remember God at all times, and are aware of His constant presence in their lives.


. . . Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides . . . [Quran, 3:191]

ikupakuti:
@em.piree that was very generous of you & also inspiring, may the good Lord replenish your pocket beyond measure. Nice 1

Na'am JazakaAllahu khayran. And we ask Allah to accept our Ramadan struggles.


I repeat,

Empiree:
"walantara ila kalimahanuna malamtakun fi zikr majnoona"


'You can not "see" Allah unless you become mad at chanting Allah's Names (zikr or dhikr)'

^^

You still not satisfied with what he said up there?

Whats going on here?. This is very simple issue. Well, it is safe approach to say WE CAN NOT see Allah in whatever way we think. I think this is emekaraj's approach. But i dont have problems with someone saying "seeing Allah in the heart". I understand what it means.

http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1693&Itemid=109


Question, what is a new born baby looking at in different directions even if you bring him or her closer to get your attention?. They keep looking sideways even if you scream to get them to focus?. This usually happens from day 1 through 40 to 60 days.

Albaqir wasting his time on this folks. You think they reason?. They dont need reasonable explanation. All they need is to make example from them.

malvisguy212:
Since the purpose for keeping a detailed record of the sins of an individual is to render judgment, it shows that the sins of the Muslims are neither forgiven nor forgotten by Allah. Even the sins of pious Muslims are not exempted.
The “Scales of Allah”

What is judgement day in Christianity?.

Does hell exist in Christianity and who goes there?

Most Expensive Foreclosure In New York City Owned By Nigerian

https://www.google.com/amp/s/therealdeal.com/2017/06/27/meet-the-owner-of-the-foreclosed-51m-penthouse-at-one57/amp/

alBHAGDADI:
Whether it was downloaded or photoshopped (which doesn't look like), it doesn't negate the fact that Islam permits beheading, cutting of arms and legs and even flogging of minor offenders. You also agreed to that in your post which I will point out below.

Your first sentence agrees with the picture in the OP. SO, pls stop the talk of Photoshop.

Why not leave that to the secular law?

How many big wigs in Saudi Arabia and the Islamic world have been subjected to the same treatment paupers face under Sharia law? NONE.

Sex offenders are people who were given the opportunity to Confess their sin but chose to follow the Case to court to see if they will get an accidental favor and win the case via injustice. The reason why they are chased away is because they would have remained living a lie in the church if they had won; they would have continued their sinful life. But since they got exposed by the court, they lost the right to remain with the Pope, something they would have continued enjoying if they had confessed on time.

I'm still surprised at how you are able to equate such a just punishment with your Islamic barbaric law of hand cutting and beheading.

Like I said earlier, they were given the chance to confess and be forgiven, but they chose to try out their chances at the court of law to see if they could be exonerated and continue to deceive the church. Their stupidity is what kicks them out.

Guy, please stop embarrassing yourself

[s]

alBHAGDADI:
Leave the punishment to the government, not some religious law.

In the Islamic world where shariah law is practiced, don't they still have corruption, prostitution, murderers, thieves etc? Has it stopped those crimes from being perpetrated?

Why are there some many terrorists in the Arab world if sharia law is the key to stopping criminal behaviour?

[/s] Senseless man

Ibadah, At-tasawwuf, bid'ah and more


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQk5vWAnJzg

Tell them sister, tell them

Examples

chukxie:
I tire for 9ja politicians and their stealing matter.

This one says

Tahrah:
This is cruel.

Thunder strike them all.

You better have your hand cutoff or thunder strike you @newsynews alBHAGDADI ?

Eyanmukaila:
And these are the guys youths die and take bullets for. It is high time for revolution or massive relocation cos Nigeria is not changing anytime soon.

When you start cutting off your politicians' fingers, that's the beginning of the end of your sufferings in nija. But for as long as nigerians themselves are culprits, your situation aint gonna go away

newsynews:
I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

this is even more wicked

tintingz:
I am very sure it is the religious people that threatens the officials to disband the lady,

You wrong with your assumption. Now read


NYPD To Women Of Brooklyn’s Park Slope: Don’t Wear Shorts Or Dresses


The Wall Street Journal reports that, following ten unsolved sexual assaults in the area since March, officers in the area have started stopping women on the street to chat about their wardrobe choices.

A woman, only identified as Lauren, told the Journal that an officer, “pointed at my outfit and said, ‘Don’t you think your shorts are a little short?’”

Two other women, wearing dresses, were stopped with Lauren and were reportedly told that they were showing a lot of skin, according to the WSJ. The officer explained to the trio that such clothing could make the suspect think he had “‘easy access.’” He supposedly closed this gem of a conversation by saying, “You’re exactly the kind of girl this guy is targeting.” Ouch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/30/nypd-to-women-of-south-park-dont-wear-shorts-or-dresses_n_989539.html



NYPD Warns Women Not to Wear Short Skirts Because They Could Get Raped
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2011/10/01/nypd-warns-women-not-to-wear-short-skirts-because-they-could-get-raped-poll/

tintingz:
Sir your post here is bias, so when these arabs folks sexually harass a lady they are transgressors but when it is done where women dress half-nak3d, the blame is on the woman?

First all, i didnt say this. I was simply silent and left it up to readers. Fact remains such women invite men, even non-pervert ones. Yes, if a man rapes half naked women he transgresses as well. But this thread is not about that. Possibility exists that 80% of the time men would snub well dressed women and not having second thought about her in a negative manner. But naked women stand the chance of being verbally and physically harassed 99% of the time. In the US for instance, if an half naked woman walks through guys, they always make comments about her body, make catcalling and all that.

lepasharon:
No

Well, it is very simple. Op makes no sense. He picked up random pix some place, photoshopped Quran next to it and then concluded this is islam. Makes sense to you?. He might have even downloaded it from net. There is indeed amputation in islam but there are rulings associated with it. You Just don't accuse someone of theft and cut off his hand. Thats not how it works. This is why udatso said what he said up there.

You people should just stop jumping to conclusion just bcus you hate the religion. As a saying goes, you are ignorant of what you know not. There is more to punishing thieves before finally cutting off his or her hand. It is practical and makes far sense than nonsense the guy is preaching about "he who do not sin should cast stone". If that is the case why does the pope excommunicates sex offenders as a form of punishment?. Why did he not forgive them?, Does he not sin too?. Why do countries have police and prison cells if not for transgressors. This christians reasoning is very senseless and ridiculous.

lepasharon:
Not for petty theft tho

You people should stop being hypocrites. Are your politicians "petty thieves"?

alBHAGDADI:
Do you know that the people who will gather in support of such judgment are also guilty of similar crime? That's why Yahshua the Messiah said "he without sin should cast the first stone".

If it is right that such punishment should be melted out to offenders, then no one will be left in this world cos an eye for an eye makes the world go blind.


Such barbarism can only be allowed in a religion where the god cannot defend himself nor have mercy.


BTW, does Allah forgive sins? If yes, why is there a need for Sharia law?

Case closed. You deserve politicians that rule over you. You will never get out of it. From now on, pls stop cursing your politicians. Stop complaining about your politicians. Stop pelting them with stones. Stop demanding your rights from them. Stop complaining about embezzlement. Stop complaining of no light, bad roads, bad bad economy, bad infrastructures. Please just stop complaining everything about your politicians. You deserve the treatments you gets from them.

By your silly logic, Even the kidnappers, killers, ritualists, hired killers, hired assassins, armed robbers, thieves, burglars, culties etc should all be left alone bcus no one is free from sins

newsynews:
I came across the below post on facebook and it bothers me a lot. If allah forgives sins, why is there need for Sharia law?

intelligent minds only.

would you be happy if this is done to your politicians who loot you dry?

sarahade:
What is your definition of proper clothing? Ojuju calabar abi.

there is no need to overemphasize this. . You know better

Greenbullet:
Look At What My Elder Brothers Wife Did To My Mum ( Picture)

As I am speaking right now, I am fuming, my elder brothers wife has always hated my mum, and yesterday she showed it, she Beat my mum because she could, she injured my mom all over her body, I swear to God I will beat the shit out of this woman , I am on my way to my brothers house, my mother is not her house girl that she can beat like she owns and my stupid weakling brother will also feel my wrath , I swear to God

Judge for yourself

Tintingz,

Those men are transgressors. Women who covered as instructed already lived up to requirement (s). But a man violating her rights is out of line and should be dealt with.

Yes, myself found hijabis attractive but not to the point of rape or violating her. This is contrary to women already exposed herself. She's is OBVIOUSLY inviting men to look.

However, let's take Western world for instance. Most of those women may not know it is bad idea bcus that's their way of life until Islam reaches them. But in many cases they know it is wrong to expose themselves like that.

Recently a lady was disbanded from tending a park in the US for wearing "too sexy" outfit but she sees nothing wrong with what she wears. Also due to sexual harassment in nyc area, a police officer advised women to wear proper clothing especially in summer. This suggests that they know it is wrong to walk around half naked. But men's ego and slots would not allow them to say the facts.

emekaRaj:
Is it English

unfortunately no

Demmzy15:
Please what is glaring, kindly enlighten us? I'm not ready for your games today, so I decided to erase them because it's of no substance!

problems solved since you can not see what's glaring. It is irrelevant then to keep talking

^^^

Make I trouble you small. So there are categories of bida but at the same time you people said bidah is bidah and its all lead to fire whether it's hassanat or not? .

Now, it is in the sharia that it is haram 100% to deal in riba. Why did one of your shuyukh allow taking riba from the west but then claimed that it was okay to take it bcus if they didnt the enemies would use the money to kill Muslims in gaza?. Going by what you just posted up there, isn't this wrong application in sharia?

Sharia says riba is haram....PERIOD

Demmzy15:
The least you could do is to refute Sheikh Ibn Baz(rahimahullâh) on his verdict, you're not deceiving anyone by placing "ra" in front of his name, your likes made Takfir of him for this verdict.

As for other allegations of claiming mass Takfir of Muslims, I'll reply you with this:

Shaikh Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahab said, “As for what the enemies mention about me that I declare disbelief simply on the basis of conjecture or that I declare a disbeliever who is ignorant or the one who has not had the proof established against him, THEY ARE GRAVE LIES, by them they only seek to make the people flee from the religion of Allaah and his Messenger” (al-Muallifaat 7/25)

Are you paranoid or what? To refute him on his verdict?. I don't need to. The consequences of his verdict are glaring today. Why are you pretending?.

As for takfir, isn't that obvious even in this forum headed by jabata and his foot soldiers and those pretending to go against him but they stylishly pretty much do same thing by the influence of their masters?. Yes, I have the right to use RA with understanding that he's a muslim and it is incumbent on Muslims to offer dua on fellow Muslims regardless of differences. I'm not like you people who talk trash about awliya without respect.

So I was simply saying there was NO WAY royal family would not influence those fatawa as highlighted in the article above. Why did you ignore it?. Just like you people claimed Mawlud nabi was influenced by a rich man or king.

You sound paranoid isn't