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vedaxcool:
So if the prince was in a video drinking it disproves what? That drinking is not a sin or acceptable? Did it ever occur to you that the Prince could have simply knelt down out of his self serving interest?

This is a family he has labeled unIslamic yet would be quick to use their actions as basis for proving his case. Please we should use a more sensible approach to refuting points using well structured methodology rather than self serving argument that can be waved with hand.

Spotted and confirmed

tintingz:
Didnt you see a over whitish bird image? I am into photoshop i know when something is photoshop, that bird is small like normal bird(a dove) and it was enlarge and place(paste) close to the kaaba not on the kaaba, it does not harmonize with the kaaba, the kaaba has 3D dimensional angle while the bird only has 2D dimensional like a drawing.

Where did i recognize there was an original angel or bird on kaaba? didn't i said "fake" angel(bird)? I was analyzing what was shown in that video not recognizing it to be true, know the difference.

Lol, those that made up this fake video are trying their best to boost muslims faith(iman) just like christian, anyone that believes that video believes superman can be seen in new york.

Islamic scholars, Saudi muftis, the masjid imam should have gave report on it if it truly happened since it is a deen matter and can cause controversies but we see non.

do you even know that I don't even take u serious knowing too well how u think when it comes to Islam? .

Why do u think I should waste time here now? . So what if it boosts their faith? . It is haram if that should have happened?. I'm sure there were convinced people who embraced Islam just bcuss of this if you dig. People reverts to Islam over a very unsuspecting reasons.

I do not overly bye "reflection" story really.

tintingz:
It is not a guess work, it is agreed by many analyst to be fake, even saudi didn't release any press statement on it.

Angels also appear in churches, do you believe they are real?

did I mention it is angel?. Read btw the lines. I read some of the so called analysis on internet. They all keep talking about it is "reflections". Here you said it is bird and edited. You have proof for this?.

I was simply saying there was something on that building and if this was a bird, I am not aware of a bird as giant as this. You contradicted yourself by saying it is cgi and fake picture while at the same time recognized there was something there. Your post is simply self contradictory.

However, angel or not, this is not necessarily meant to validate iman. That's my point. What validates iman is what is revealed in the Quran. Anything else might just be reality. And saudi might not made official report just not to make big deal out of it. Besides, Angels as we know them can not be seen with our eyes like that. I hope you read discriptions of angels from hadith in their true form. Jubrail (as)'s wing alone covers the earth needless to say his entire being. But Allah is capable of transforming them as He pleases.

Bird fly over the kaaba all the time and they are usually tiny. Check 2011 hajj

Walahu alam...

Your opinion too is obviously guesswork. So we leave it there.

tintingz:
@Empir.ee, ^^^

There was no one panicking and was it a CCtv that capture the fake reflection or someone did the videoing?, the security man that looked didn't looked up, he was looking sides which is normal even before the fake reflection appeared, his face was never facing up the sky.

Empi.ree, abeg don't disappoint me.

There is nothing to argue here. Are you saying reflection is something that appeared big like bird on the building?. That's definitely not a reflection. Thats what i am taking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twX80pjLi58&feature=push-u&attr_tag=quXFn7CVkdCXzy2J-6

op, how does everthing you said up there relate to actual incident ove the Kaaba?. First, it happened in 2008 not 2017. Some people chose "renew" the noise about it every year around Eld fitr and Adha by showing the same old video. I watched it myself back in 2008.


Second, all the "counter arguments" about reflection (lights) just dont add up. Reflections were there, yes. But something clearly was on top of the Kaaba that you can not deny. That's no longer reflection. There was a creature that i can not proof what it is on top of the building. It was said that people around there were panic upon seeing what's going on.

Another "counterargument" brought forward was it was a "bird". I am sorry, i have never seen a bird that big actually. They gonna have to prove the type of bird it was. Also, camera shows a man looking back amazingly to suggest something was going on beyond just "light reflection".


Believe in 6 articles of faith is one thing, their attributes is one thing and haqiqa is also another thing.


The argument raised here is rather senseless

Now, believing in Angel caught on camera is like believing that alqadr, Judgement Day, Prohets and others can be caught on camera. This is ridiculing and belying arkanul iman.

Do you have official report from Saudi authority what their observation of the incident was?. We need to know that. We dont need this reprobate counter argument

true2god:
Aisha's age when married the prophet of Islam is important because she set the standard for age limit (for girls) for marriage in Islam. The actions of Mohammed is the sunnah and, according to Islam, Mohammed can do no wrong.

As for her death, you said she died at the age of 63 and I asked you to show me an authentic Islamic source which proves that she died at 63. Though I have no interest in the age she died, I only asked because of your claim that she died at the age of 63.

Again, why is this an issue if she married at whatever age?. Dont you have or see young girls getting pregnant by dudes like you and they are irresponsible "fathers"?.

If a 10yrs old is sleeping around today, why is Aisha's age that important to you?. Tell me the difference btw so called "underage" today having fatherless babies and the same "underage" married to reputable husband?. The later is more dignified and chained than the former. If you dont like it hang yourSELf

AlBaqir:
# You don't get the gist Mr Empire. Left to the UK government, Saudi is absolved of all crimes so long they continue to pay their dues.

# Theresa May is in deep shi.t and continue facing firepower from Jeremy Corbyns and his Labour party. Just like Trump, one of the selling points of Jeremy is threatening to expose the Saudis on extremism and terrorism. That's the truth the Briton are yearning for since which their government continue to sweep under the carpet. This was part of strategy Trump used. And immediately he assumed office, he dumped it collecting billions of Dollars. He used one stone to kill two birds. So, I don't trust Jeremy's crusade too.

My points still on point with @underlined. Why sweeping nonsense under the carpet if they themselves have no dirty secrets that could backfire if they dont cover the dirts?

Chess game they play. The UK itself reporting the news is not guilty-free. Anyone with at least 10 cent brain should see that those terrorist attacks in EUROPE and UK are planned work of the authority of those countries coupled with SaudI and Qatar.

All of them are in the cycle of this BS. If UK pushes Saudi too much, Saudi may pull the plug (oil deal) and in return it is going to be messy. So UK not need to play smart. We know the drill. So next time they report "terrorist attacks" in EUROPE or UK, please kindly excuse Islam and Islamic texts out of it. If there are people (Muslims) with extreme idelogy but no funding, wallahi, there gra gra will go no where.

Example of this was a defunct organization in US called "revolution Muslim" now reformed "islam policy". It is a group of extreme fringes but their anger and grevancies did not go beyond nyc. They had no funding from anywhere. They were only angry folks. So most terrorist attacks almost anywhere in the world are orchestrated by higher power culprits.

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plappville:
Who will punish Muhammad for raping Aisha if she had talked about it? Muhammad was never punished or blamed for all his atrocities. So what do you expect?

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Naysayer clown

true2god:
I expected you to tell me something like this:

sahih bukhari volume 10, book 10, hadith number 419: As narrated by Abdul-empire Ibn Liar:

After the death of the apostle of allahh (peace be upon me), the Muslims embarked on a battle against the people of kalalma and allahh gave them victory against the infidels of kalalma. After the battle of kalalma, the wife of the prophet, Aisha bint Abu Bakr died at sixty three years of age.

This is what I expected you to give me and not an excuse. The above is my personal hadith for the wife of the prophet, the mother of believers.

Give me an hadith that says Aisha died at 63.

why is her age matters to you?. I'm absolutely under no obligation at any point to tell you anything about this. If you want to research you are free to do that.

Aisha's age (ra) at the time she married and the time she died is irrelevant to the cause (s) of Islam. Help youRSELF frido

true2god:
Can you show us any hadith that claimed she was 63 yrs when she died?

whats the definition of hadith?. Have you ever read someone who said "i died at the age 70"?.

plappville:
[s]If she had the privilege to complain she would have done that when she was 6. Unfortunately, à kid at that age do only as their parents want. You dare not question their decision. See as Islam don turn ur brain upside down? [/s]

And when she grew up, why didnt she talk about it?. She lived until 63yrs old.

Enough of this pro-feminism trash. You making my stomach turns. There are abuses other way too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVHnZX8E50&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DdtVHnZX8E50&has_verified=1

Screenedshot from someplace in response to my post ^^^

sino:
You have made strong allegations against these people you have mentioned, I hope you can back it up...

No i didnt. I am not gonna be looking for threads or places where they said it, demmy especially. I would imagine you read them before. I may excuse newnas but definitely the rest aren't free from what i said. I can't go around looking for threads to prove my point.

Seriously though, I don't know where this strong negative criticism of Sayd Qutb and Ikhwan is coming from, what about seeking excuses for your Muslim brother when he errs?!

Here we go. You can't excuse them for this. They make no excuses for scholars they don't like. That's fact. This is even wide read than Qutb.

Sheikh Qaradawi is also one of the targets of this barrage of criticisms, and most times I find them very unfair. For example, Qaradawi was criticized for his fatwa on shaking the opposite sex, and when I read the Sheikh's submission, it wasn't as painted by the critics, funny enough,

Here we go. If you read them well especially abdelkabir, he has problems with Sheikh Qaradawi. It seems you have been off NL not to have read them. I remembered either in this thread or another ones recently where he considers the Sheikh "innovator", and that was on the subject of music. So i need not back my point bcus you made it easy for me.

the Saudi King who had a handshake was not criticized, but excuses were found for his action(s).

Good one. You helped again. This was even recent. They make excuses for them but not other scholars. So this make them "muridi" blind followers. You already helped me proved me right.

Personally I would have wanted to quote Qaradawi on the issue, for the fact that the King is 81 years old! And is highly likely not to be interested in sexual relations, coupled with the event makes the whole thing a non issue.

Well, may Allah (SWT) guide us aright. ameen

Well, this would be a different case. We may relate this in a hadith of a young and old man where exception was made for old man but not for young one. But this is another issue entirely. Fact remains he shook hands. Period. Would they have made excuses if he was non-saudi?

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Ameena

Thanks.

Newnas, abdelkabir, demmzy15, vedexcool and co are blind followers. I have read their anti-sayd Qutb's pro terrorism stance several times. I just had to keep mute. It was quiet understood why Qutb''s views was sometimes extreme.

These people did not question how Qutb was brutally treated by the Egyptian govt and how he was tortured in prison. Yet are so much concerned about how ill treatment in Tayyimiya(ra) got from authority in his time. If this is what you called "salafiya", you have serious problems. I believe the "Quranist", usermane wrote negatively on Qutb too but he was fair enough by mentioning his ill treatment

Well, things happen as a rude shock especially when they are least expected.

emekaRaj:
Am talking about this. I want to know must it be salatul fatih, Wat about ibrahimiya and others

The only "MUST" in Islam are OBLIGATORY practices. There are other salawat. Solati Ibrahimmiya itself is not a must but recommended

ina lillahi waina ilaehi rojeeun

May Allah give you fortitude to bear the lost. May Allah forgive her sins

emekaRaj:
Did i see salatul fatih, Empir.ee come oo why salatul fatih sef.

You mean the one i posted yesterday?

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I disagree with you vex. I dont think you understood his post. I am surprised u said kneeling and bowing is something you do everyday. I hope you read from lexiconkabir and co. They said it is shirk to do so. Thats the argument albaqir brought up. Be open minded for a second. Although i dont think you ever posted anything with regard to this before but here you are.

I am sure abdelkabir aka lexicon would disgree with you.

Anyways, what albaqir is saying is that anti-kneeling and bowing folks used saudi scholars to prove their points. Anytime we showed them evidence saudi people do the same, they said nothing. They only criticize non-saudis who kneel or bow. They give excuses for saudis.

Attachment is Albaqir's not me. I am only helping get it across

Five Mins clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz3secx6G1c&feature=push-u&attr_tag=JS-KS3E2jyd1hO0E-6

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Sounds familiar with what I read on fb this afternoon (attachment). Sheikh Habibu also said similar thing as well about importance of having guide sheikh.

But today, people don't want to serve. I understand there are fake shuyukh who only want to use you or want u to be subservient to them 100%. But this should not debar truth seekers from reaching their goal. Kidma is very important.

We also have some saying that kidma is shikr. They said this out of desires. SMH

emekaRaj:
Empiree where u dey always get this video from, dem no dey get English.

The guy dat make d first comments just spoke my mind, there's no divinity attached to me oo I dnt know about others. It helps me in remembering Allah, that's all. Somtimes I even get ashamed of it and use it from my pocket, thinking pple will think am showing off, but then I thought wat da hell Allah knws best my intention.
Look at the second guy that commented, just look at the long thing he wrote, just to prove wat.
I dnt know why pple just can't look at the positive that someone is remembering Allah rather Dan d counter.
Truth is somtimes i cant even count to 33 without misplacing the count. So how can I count 100 or 1000. With the counter it gives me ease an i do more. I wonder wat they will say about the digital tesby dats in d market now.

My question is Whats the Sheikh stand on the issue and what's your stand.

Digital counter?. They condemn it all, that nabi(SAW) did not use it. Therefore, it is bidah according to them. The man answering question basically was saying it is bidah and nabi did not use it.

Neither did he clutch around with it around nor in car. He said he(saw) counted with his fingers. Dont mind them, they sometimes exaggerate that some muslims attribute divinity to it just to back their point. I have personally not seen one. The second guy was saying that they even hang it in their car. My response to that is so what?. dont we hang perfume in the car?. does hanging it there bring good or bad thing to add to our lives?. They are trying to prove that hanging it there is some sort of divinity.

As you could see, the other guy gave up on silly argument he could not defend. He condemned it just bcus his Ustas did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIAwkDzSdoo

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tintingz:
I know it has to relate to a problem, I want him to spell it out.

If he actually meant "mental problem" that's where bigotry comes in, he can't tolerate those society where people walk nàked but want me to accept women should cover from head to toe.

We talking about Islam and Muslims here not people who are born and live is such society. You challenged Islamic dress code is what problem is. I have no problem with women that are not Muslim or that don't believe in Islamic dress code.

tintingz:
Music Player you mean?

You can check definition of MP here

https://www.nairaland.com/1484854/interview-joke-lol#down