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dont be surprised if they later claim the man killed was a "look-a-like"

Anyways, the news don reach two days ago nau

Thread still irrelevant regardless of your wylin

LadunaI:
What is this "ASAWO" again? You and your conc Yoruba vocab, though I got your point.

Perhaps many DIVINE MERCY of ALLAH coloured in disguise would have been revealed to us had been Prophet Musa(as) exercise patient, and not been presumptuous in the presence of his "teacher".

thats just my opinion actually. i understand it multiply recorded that he(as) popped Angel's eye. But that story also resembles christians and Jewish versions as well. That makes me suspicious of it. However, we do know nabi Musa got anger problem so it shouldnt be far fetched

AhluSunnah:
OLODO OLODO NI E... se na jabata do hadith or quran? everything jabata says has delil from quran and hadith. . its u that will bring proof from quran and hadith that boy yen..ko kin se keferi, ko kin se khawarij, ko de kin se sufi. . mu

I dont understand yoruba again

Lol @ demmyz, i watched the whole 12minutes video. I still dont get the point. Well, two people already made handsome contributions better than i did

Subhanallah!, you brothers are really deep in this sectarian nonsense. Is beautifying voice a MUST or mustahab?. Your op is simply cheapshot. How about this beautiful voice of Iranian shia recitation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H8p3b0ONyY


I am not here to defend shia but this criticism is irrelevant. I am trying to figure out your problem with recitations in the clip. Actually i should say the man who criticized them in the video. What is his problem?. Are you reciting beautifully to show off or what?. Even in the shari'a if you search deeply, you not supposed to beautify your voice in salat except for outside of salat. They said it is like trying to impress people. So are you guys so much concern about the accent or what?. In that case, you can travel to US and speak to average Americans in Nigerian accent and see how they mock you.

It is Allah who gives them the accent. Why mock them?. Tajweed is one thing. Accent is another. You criticize them for their accent which is haram in my view.

AlBaqir:
# Anyway, that's your own opinion, which I respect, however several Sunni (as you have seen already on this thread) will rather defend the version of sahih Bukhari and Muslim than welcoming "unsourced" story of that sheik (even if it is referenced and found to be authentic).
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it is not properly sourced either as I would loved it to be

AlBaqir:
This is from Shia source as I have already quoted at the OP. The story here never affirmed:

# Argument between Musa and angel of death

# No severe slap or box till eye popped up

# Three men vis-a-vis angels (rather one man in the shia report)

Since you believe interrogations transpired btw nabi Musa(as) and malaika iku, technically this is some "arguments" going on btw them literally just by really the text. I dont know about beating the pop of the angel. I have said earlier it could have been "israeliya" narration that crept into the story. But we all can agree that even the it happened, the Angel was definitely not in his true form. The same happened to nabi Ibrahim(as). The angel came in form of old man. After his transition, the old man met and asked him if he recognise him(old man)?.

About three men vis-a-vis angels , shia's narration might simply gave their version of the story

From 22 to 28mins. Everything he said is the same as recorded in both "SuShi" sources. About Nabi Musa(as) helping a man digging the ground, he gave a little more insightful tafsir on that. Make i just break that down. This happened after series of arguments with "Angel of death".


So Musa came about three people. One is digging the ground. One is shrouding someone that appears dead for burial and the third is dragging itakun(root) found in the grave. Both "men" could not remove the itakun. So Musa(as) decided to help them. With one hand he pulled the root and cut it out. Unfortunately the root happened to be holding his soul. So Nabi Musa(as) fell and died.

Ironically, all three "people" i:e the man shrouding the dead, the one digging the grave and the man dragging the root are all angels.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SR7IZHk20E


Some info can be found here

https://www.al-islam.org/kamaaluddin-wa-tamaamun-nima-vol-1-shaykh-saduq/chapter-7-account-death-prophet-musa-occultation

AlBaqir:
Try this while you search the lecture by its title
https://voiceofthesalaf.com/audios/

okay. this works. thanks. Islam ti ko eran (ahlusunnah) mero

So Shekh Muyideen Ajani Bello is also "keferi" according to you and Jabata. Newnas said this Sheikh is close to the sunnah.

you said:

AhluSunnah:
Jabata o pa iro na . kaariji ni. . sufi theh ni. . keferi de ni. . prove jabata wrong then. . bring your delil (your proof)

(translation of your words) "Jabata did not lie now. . (sheikh Muyideen) Khawarij. (sheikh Muyideen) is sufi. . He is kafir. prove jabata wrong then. . bring your evidence"


so we prove we a muslim wrong by Jabata's standard?. Walahi islam ti ko eran mero


ikupakuti

AlBaqir:
In his lecture with the title Protest against Government
Authority is a way and Methodology of the Hizbiyyoon
(Khawarij),Dr Bukola Saraki’s stoning pt 1, he further states
(06:13 mins – 08:13 mins):

https://voiceofthesalaf.files./2014/08/
protest4oct.mp3

u have another link?. This says 'file not found'

AlBaqir:
# Whenever I remember AhluSunnah mentor and master, the crazy Jabata's talk about Sheik Alhaji Muhydeen, wallahi, I laugh with an expression of ìbànújé.


Jabata said: "Eyi boy tóma nse cassette yen, Muhydeen abi kini won pe oruko e. Khawarij ni o. Sufi si ni pelu...keferi lo n naa...

O woo he said this nonsense

AhluSunnah:
olodo aye ati orun ni e. confirm jahl. there is absolutely no proof that he said that, NO NAME OF BOOK HE WROTE TO REFER TO AND CHECK, NO ISNAD.. TSHEW.. let me assume you are right xef. . he(ibn taymiyyah) according to you said tasowuf that is inline with shariah..sey tasowuf sufi is inline with shariah ni? sey grave worshipping is in line with sharia ni, shey praying to ALLAH and using ALLAH creation as intercession is inline with sharia ni? ani olodo ni e. . . opuro oshi..k

What is sufism?. What is tassawuf?, What is Ihsan?

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AlBaqir:
# Please don't try to match two different things together. The two stories are FAR FAR away from each other. And not especially when we have two contradictory ahadith on the issue with different moral and philosophical lessons.

As i said before, the hadith you quoted appears to be an isolated one. It doesnt appear conclusive. Until i can find the whole thing, i have to defend what is it now

AlBaqir:
Que: Why would Musa assault an angel from his Lord to the extent of damaging one of his eyes? That's not a quality of a pious person, a friend of God, especially a Nabi, and especially, one of the best Nabi.

This must be exaggeration or perhaps, "ASAWO" from Israeliya version of the story.

And Allah did not trick him. It is like the issue of khidr(as) when he thought Khidr's actions were bad but in reality, they were for the best.

AhluSunnah:
Laughing hysterically. . n0t only sufi . .and shia..even he is mss member. . please do n0t quote me if u do n0t have anything reasonable to say. ALL YOUR SHEIKS IN SUFI..EVEN ALAWI IN SAUDI KNOWS IBN TAYMIYA IS SUNNAH... takless of me.. a sunnah follower... tshewJ

So far you did not refute anything. You only run your mouth. I am not even gonna argue or try to convince you who is right or wrong. I only present facts with evidence. I did with dream but you found excuses. I did with Ibn Tayimmiya you found excuses. You only talk without knowledge and wisdom

This Sunni's appears to be in conflict with what I heard and read or it is not comprehensive enough.

You might have just posted partial or isolated hadith from the sunni side. It is more than this. However, from what have heard and read, there seems to be striking resemblance about grave digging stuff. It was said that Nabi musa(as) helped a man who was digging ground but having problem cutting off a tough roof. So nabi musa helped him to pull the "cord" (root) not knowing he was actually pulling his own soul until it pulled out and musa fell and died. Prior to this however he had encountered Angel of death who were unble to take his soul. So Allah uses other means

Will look for and post video and text when I'm chanced.

ikupakuti:
You need to listen to his mentor to understand his plight. We need their types to amuse ourselves they make the endtime colourful. Just continue pressing him lets enjoy some comic relief You dont get this kind of opportunity all the time.

Exactly, i am enjoying his stupidity

AhluSunnah:
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Imam Ibn Taymiyah(ra) was also your mentor right?

AhluSunnah:
Yap

Good. In case you dont know, Sheikh Islam Ibn Tayimmiyah was a sufi in Sufi order of Qadiriyya. So he died a kafir too right?

AhluSunnah:
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Imam Ibn Taymiyah(ra) was also your mentor right?

Ridah:
Empire...

Oh you asked the question?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-r3QswFbUo

AhluSunnah:
JAHL IS ANYONE WHO FOLLOWS ANOTHER PATH INSTEAD OF RASUL. . u follow the path of baba tijani and other jahls. . and i follow rasulu.. U ARE THE JAHL

what's the actual population of Muslims in the world since you consider majority of us to be "kufar"?

Ridah:
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You can tell from the way he talks, he is very jahil. I rather play dumb along with him cus he is not ready to listen to opposing view.

AhluSunnah:
[s]ASK GOOGLE. . .for the sake of people who are reading this. . i will answer the question. . . sufism= kufru. . sufism is a religion that aligns themself with islam and they are not anywhere near islam whereas the people that do(create, started, founded, pioneer)£sea£ and command their religion are called shehu and they mostly took their rules of religion from dreams and vision. sufi religion also steal parts of their believes from their senior (shia).. like whatever shehu says is final, they both worship human being, they both worship grave, they both ask favours and prayers fr0m dead people. . . . . . inshort, sufi is worshipping of Shehu(s). . .ggplrp

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AhluSunnah:
Laughing. . wahala wa o. .sahaba are sufiyun? laughing. . certificate of al jahna is to follow sunnah. . sufi wey dem just create n0t up to 300 years. . your oga shia gan no up to 500 years old. . wo, dey with ur sufi and i wil stay with my sunnah. .

You are very childish. You have a lot to learn for real. I can not help you. You didnt answer my question though. What is Sufism?

AhluSunnah:
Anybody who dies a sufi, shia or any other sect or islamic group created by someone(a sheik, an alfa, an imam, khalifa, amir or whatever) is a kafir. rasul didnt create a islamic group nor his c0mpanions nor his predecessors. .. AhluSunnah or salaf or ahlu hadith or firkotu najiah and other names given to people who follows the sunnah of rasul. . Our founder is ALLAH and our sheik is prophet muhammad and we only follow Quran and hadith. . Rasul said his ummah will split into 73 and all but 1 will enter jahnama and that 1 is those who uphold his sunnah(quran and hadith)

Kpele bomboy Mr. Salafi plumber. Can you show me certificate of Jannah that Allah gave to you?

Sahaba are sufiyun. They all going to hell?

AhluSunnah:
You do not know what hadith means, you do not know its conditions for authenticity, u do not know how to derive or take proof from kitab wa sunnah to use as proof to practise islam..u do not know imam bukhari did not live with rasul nor he see him nor hear the hadith from him.. u know absolutely n0thing about islam... IMAM BUKHARI was a student of knowledge on hadith who take to tracing every hadith he hear people saying or written down to the source.. like i hear my dad saying his great grandpa said we must n0t eat orange..then my dad asked about what greatgrandpa have said from his father and possible friends of greatgrandpa children(thats called chains of narattion).and when i want to tel my own kids, i said greatgrandpa said we must n0t drink orange(what i said its true bkoz my father have proved it to be right with research).. i hope u understand.. bida drugs&take brains ...mxm

What is this rubbish. Grow up buddy

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AhluSunnah:
Download lectures on hadiths from voiceofthesalaf.com . . .u

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AhluSunnah:
Empiree . according to that hadith, u a kafir because u call baba adama a muslim. HOW CAN A SUFI BE A MUSLIM?A man that said THERE IS A PROPHET OF ALLAH THAT BECOMES A KAFIR, HE SAID HIJAB IS NOT IN ISLAM, HE SAID GREETING HUMAN BEING BY DOING RUKUH\SUJUD IS NOT KUFRU, HE SAID HE KNOWS THE HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE( ilm ghuib ), HE WROTE A BOOK ON HIS BELIEVE ON ILM GHUIB(one musnt bath,start housing project,wear new cloths, and other things on certain days) HE BELIEVES THAT THERE ARE NAMES ONE MUST NAME ONE KIDS ACCORDING TO DAY THEY WERE BORN, HE IS A SUFI(tijaniya), HE IS ALSO BABA ALAWO(jalabi). . so many things proves he is no muslim..even his tira's proves he is a sufi not a muslim, someone(HE DIED BELIEVING ALLAH IS EVERYWHERE, THAT HADITHS IS NOT THAT RELEVANT IN ISLAM, THAT TESUBAH IS NOT BIDA, . . . rp ueNP (4S-). .AND yet u say he is a muslim?

when are u going to grow up?. How about Sheikh Abdulrahim oniwasiagnaye(ra). He was also sufi. Who was he to you?

ikupakuti, come see drama

AhluSunnah:
Em.piree . .G I rest my case

ofc, you have to rest ur case bcus you have no knowledge. You only run your mouth.