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truthman2012:
Each time you muslims get to where you don't know what to say next, you escape by ignoring. How long will you continue to deceive yourselves?

Listen man, later explanation provided by albaqir was actually the standard tafsir of the verse in question.

Now, we know you guys can never be satisfied with anything islamic. Here is the thing though, it doesnt matter whether you are comfortable with his explanation or not, whether you understand it or not. What matters is he gave you some detail tafsir of the verse. That's just it. Anything else you said was irrelevant.

true2god:
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Typo error . MOSSAB i wanted to type

^Fact is, Quran was revealed to the prophet by God, he (in turn) dictated to his scribes, they wrote it down in his presence, he reviewed with them. So Qur'an was written down in the lifetime of the prophet by his scribes since he could not read nor write. I need evidence from the fellow who suggested otherwise. If he can not provide any, he's dismissed.

I am even surprised that he would say prophet Muhammad (SAW) wrote the Quran when Quran plainly and clearly declares that Muhammad can not read nor write. How then prophet Muhammad(Allah's blessings and peace be upon him and his household) wrote Quran if God Himself said otherwise?.

Quran says in (Surah Al-Araf 157):

Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, whom they will find described in the Torah and the Gospel (which are) with them. He will enjoin on them that which is right and forbid them that which is wrong. He will make lawful for them all good things and prohibit for them only the foul; and he will relieve them of their burden and the fetters that they used to wear. Then those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him: they are the successful.

Down the line in the same sura, we found another evidence that Muhammad(SAW) could not have wrote Qur'an

158:

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.

Another evidence in located in sura Al-`Ankabūt 48

And you did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt.

Here is another proof (sura Al-Jumu'a 2)

He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Qur'an, Islamic laws and Islamic jurisprudence) and Al-Hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم). And verily, they had been before in manifest error;

But this individual and the likes claim to follow Qur'an alone but believe differently despite obvious evidences from same Quran. Fact is they do not follow prophet Muhammad. They reject the sunnah. How then they claim proper understanding of islam. The thing is they are bogus. They only sweet talk.

However, he did speak the truth in his first paragraph about Bible. All I want from him is to provide evidence that prophet Muhammad (SAW) wrote the Quran.

Below is attachment where he claim prophet Muhammad wrote Quran. Please read

Indeed I said...

This is defintiely gonna be my last comment on tribal nonsense you brought up. It's irrelivant and waste of my tme.

You asked....

Ifeann:
No idea what u mean by mossab..do u mean mossad?

And I replied....

Well, are you familiar with a 'Sheik' called google?. He is your friend. Ask him

Your response was...

Ifeann:
Tot u said that was ùr last comment... yet u commented again.. u cant even keep ur word..u cant even explain what u mean by igbo mossad/ mossab type..U are deluded

So I am clean. I didnt respond to tribal allegation but mossab. MOSSAD is christian terrorist group not a tribe.

Ifeann:
No idea what u mean by mossab..do u mean mossad?

Well, are you familiar with a 'Sheik' called google?. He is your friend. Ask him

Ifeann:
U can insult ur tribe if u want but it is not right.. dont tell me u have made unfavorable comments about yorubas so u feel u can also insult igbos... rilwanye even called fulanis bastards in a post yesterday because someone told him that fulanis converted his ancestors in ilorin by the sword..
Here
https://www.nairaland.com/2240759/muslims-what-punishment-leaving-islam#2240759.20

By the way What is a mossab type igbo.. google had no hits

This is defintiely gonna be my last comment on tribal nonsense you brought up. It's irrelivant and waste of my tme.

You know MOSSAB, dont you?. Thats where you belong or the like. I dont have time for this nonsense. This is just digressing issue here. Any muslim from any tribes, nationals etc are my brothers and sisters. You can read that at the bottom of tbaba1234's signature. So get over it.

Okay...only a matter of time before another Bible will be produced and titled "Gospel of Kanye". And if it survives the next 5-10 years, Christians will defend it saying, "it is only translation not contradiction". That's their usual ring tune.

Ifeann:
Does ur igbo friend know that u have a prejudice agaisnt his people..u guys once were leaving what i assume to be insults in igbo and yoruba especially igbo.. i had to remind u guys i dont know how to read ur indigenous languages. .

Look empiree i have seen a tonne of ur posts, i can bet u are yoruba..even tho u dont leave comments in yoruba like several nairaland islamic section defenders but i bet u are.. u are not a northerner because u know little about Islam and u are not igbo because u often associate derogatory comments to the tribe..u are in the class of unfortunate yoruba tribalists.. like the oba.. thankfully a lot of yorubas are decent nice folks and not like u..

Trust me, you not gonna trick me into anything. This is empire.e I have made comment against Yoruba as well that are not favorable. Igbo that I dislike are those MOSSAB type which is where you belong. But fortunately, their percentage is very low compare to good once. Beside, there are Igbo Musllims. So what's the fuse about.

shahydbinaliyu:
We can't call it contradiction, you know Barnabas was really alive during Jesus and for some time after Jesus is gone.. He probably reported what he saw and hear

Yes, Barnabas was the alleged "blind disciple" of Jesus. Believe me, other Gospes they have today are in conflict with Gospel of Barnabas in some ways. It is defintely not 100% correct. His Gospel says Jesus is not God, not son of God. Thats why Paul who did not even meet Jesus changed his message which christians follow today. They consider Barnabas nonsense. Barnabas was the real eyewitness. He dwelt with Jesus the son of Mary. If Christians accept his teachings, they woud leave christianity.....for good

I was postng Gospel of Barnabas here before I stopped. You may want to check previous pages about prophet Muhammad (SAW). He recorded it very good. I think I was to resume posting his Gospel now. I have it stored in my library. And Barnabas Gospel also contrdicts itself too. I saw that.

There is also Gospel of Judas. To be honest with you I dont know much about that one. I only read few pages.

Ifeann:
When did i say i was igbo... u see the tribalism in u DULL muslims is epic... u muslims have called me ifeanyi which i kind of like , one of my very nice childhood friends is called ifeanyi, until aparently u discovered taht ifeann is female and i have been accused of living in abakeliki.. which google map shows is in southern nigeria, a strong hold of igbos as well as this new approach by u empiree... its says a lot about u...twitter is abuzz wi th the muslim oba of lagos making threats to igbos...lol.. what did they do to u.. lol..please explain..

Lool, havent you made derogatory statements about others before. No, I am not what you think I am. Islam forbids me to hate base on tribe or nationality. In Islam, we hate only those who hate Allah and His messanger.

Comeon now, you dont need to tell us you are or ain't Igbo. The way you sound speaks volume. And again, that's not important to me at all. I have no idea who the Oba is.And I dont know what he said.

My only close friends where I live right now are Igbo, Ghanian and Trini. By close friends, I meant that I visit and they visit me as well.. Shikena

Yea, I studied Gospel of Barnabas some yrs back. Very interesting. It's really contrary to other Gospels in some ways. It has some similarities with Quran. However mainstream christianity consider him heathen

shahydbinaliyu:
Yeah.. Perfect truth.. Even though if it's real Jesus messages that's being spread it would be better... It's Paul they are following... Just like gospel of Barnabas said

AllNaijaBlogger:
Empiree,

Pls stop your deceitful style. You and another of your brethren have this style of purposely quoting someone in a way that they can't quote you back in return.

Sir, all you have done is copy and paste things that even you do not understand. Paul's teachings are not complex and do not require lengthy essays.

If you ask a christian to summarize christianity, he or she will say;

-Love your neighbour
-Turn the other cheek
-No one goes through to the father without Christ
-do unto others

The points above are Jesus's teachings and not Paul's.


Go home and accept the truth.

Dont know how this is deceitful. Obviously, you have no counterclaim. I have no problem with "Love You Neighbour", Turn Other Cheek".

The important one however according to you, "No One Goes Through To The Father Without Christ". That's very true if put in it proper context. We say the same thing too. There is no way anyone can make it to paradise without faith in prophet Muhammad(Allah's blessings be upon him and his household).

So your number 3 is true but it refers to those people he was sent. He was not sent to allnaijablogger. He was sent to lost sheep of Israel. There are references from your Bible that Jesus' mission was only to the Children of Israel. Not to Nigerians and definitely not the whole world. So people in the world today must accept Muhammad as the last and final messanger to go through to God. since his message is universal.

Rilwayne001:
This parisbookadict account should be banned for breaking rule 19, 2, 7, 8.

please do the needful.

Her name sake Ifeann aka parisbookadict just murdered a cousin
http://naijagists.com/photo-boy-killed-cousin-on-easter-sunday-in-enugu-blames-satan-police-arrests-ifeanyi-ihejika/

Another Igbo ifeann sold one of her twins
http://naijagists.com/photo-woman-sold-one-of-her-twins-for-n90000-in-akwa-ibom-state-says-poverty-caused-it/

Al-Araf 158

Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided.

Walexz02:
Thank you for your replies, "it is highly recommended to listen to the kuthba attentively..." So as to learn lessons from it. But when on start performing dhikr may be with tesuba, isn't that person dividing his attention? Would that person concentrate on the uthba as suggested? I think it would be preferable to keep mute and jist listen to the uthba.. Allah knows best.

To be honest with you, I personally do not say anything, nor use rosary until after jummah altogether. The reason I said earlier that using tesuba may be ok was because if it meets standard highlighted in #12.

I seldom see muslims use rosary or make dhikr during khutba. Those I have seen count tesuba(beads) without opening their mouth.

Yes, attention is needed 100% during khutba. But that's way better than young guys today who even receive incoming calls on their cellphone. That's gross.

Allow me to say this, how did you notice him?. Yourself must be conscious of Allah to have figured this out.

I love this house here man. I am telling you. Can't take my eyes off it.

Walexz02:
Thanks for the reply. In your second post idont understand point number 12, please can you expatiate?

Number 12 says:

When Rasulallah (Pbuh) name is mentioned in the khutba then it is permissible to recite durood in the heart only without the movement of the lips or tongue.

This simply means if (when) Imam mentions rosul llah (Anabi Muhammad), usually we say "sallah lahu alaiy wasalam".

In the bone of contention, what is outlined is to say "sallah lahu alaiy wasalam" by heart without saying it out. It is highly recommended to avoid talking during khutba.

God Knows Best

Ifeann:
I have never posted in the islamic section...but that is about to change... i will flood that section with 5 accounts

And by the time your fellow christian extremists like true2god come to rescue you, you would have been like this....

Ifeann:
I have never posted in the islamic section...but that is about to change... i will flood that section with 5 accounts if u continue to

By the time you try to vamoose we will grab you like this..

Ifeann:
I have never posted in the islamic section...but that is about to change... i will flood that section with 5 accounts if u continue to suppress freedom of expression on the general religion section...

That will be fantastic!. Is like a hunter conveniently enters lion's den. Come. Bring it on. This is how it will look when you enter Islamic Den

[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=32394828]I see that you are using dubious techniques to argue. I asked you to summarize why or how Paul created Christianity and yet again, you copy and paste long-winded nonsense from anti-christian sites and then your "supporting muslim" brother cheers you on.

See, there is no easy way to summarize this. This is a complex issue. However, the only easy way to do that is by simply quoting one or two verses from your Bible. But I chose to go the other way. Besides, copy paste or not doesnt bother me. I do research everyday and store them in my library for cross reference later. It is easy for me to copy from there and place it here.

Besides, I already posted many things to this effect in previous pages. Seems you dont care to look. That's why i felt reluctant to do it here again. Rilwayne001 reminded you and others to respond to it but you guys ignored.

You then throw all manners of irrelevant statements to confuse and deceive. If there were many people referred to as "Jesus" does that change the fact that there was an original who was from God? Even your Islamic religion claims that there was an original who wasn't crucified.

Do you know how implicating @bold is to those who claim Jesus is God?. You perfectly demonstrated that Jesus is separate from God unlike other Christians. This is another flaw we've been talking about

Had you even read what you copied and pasted, you would realise that Paul expatiated on many things Jesus had already taught. Meaning that Paul was an early christian. Paul didnt create christanity, he was one of the writers who helped to codify the message of Christ.

Absolutely I read it. I took out what is beneficial to this subject. I have bunch of them in my library right now. If you want more i can provide more. But your heart can't take the pressure. Paul did not meet Jesus. The only way you can demonstrate to me that Paul didnt create christianity is by proving to me a direct statement or speech of Jesus sanctioning christianity, called his follower christians, said he established christianity. Thats the only way. You can't just talk.

Let me give you example what i am talking about from Quran. Quran clearly says that Allah created Islam (direct speech of God). Sura Maidah 3

"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion."

Imran 19

"Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam."

Imran 85
"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."

Here, Quran says Allah (God) named us Muslims

Imran 84
Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him."

Haj 78
"And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper."

And many other places in the Quran. My question is do you have straight forward statement like this to prove that Jesus established Christianity or ever mentioned christian?. I dont want to hear "Christlike". That terminology was adopted after him

If you have read the bible. you would have realised that Paul's teachings do not even reach up to a quarter of what churches and christians preach in their everyday lives.

Clarify @ bolded please.

I told you to summarize what Paul is about and yet you dodge and then copy-and-paste nonsense. What a shame.

Shame. No. The only way, like i said, to prove me otherwise is by quoting Jesus establishing Christianity, called his followers Christians, said he's God and to be worshiped. Very simple. But if you refer to Paul, you proved me right. Copy paste allegation here doesnt help you....at all.

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=32399818]don't wast your time on him, I created a thread "did Paul invent Christianity?" https://www.nairaland.com/1981918/did-paul-invent-christianity non of them where able to give a reasonable reply. The atheists and muslims were just posting trash.

Not aware of this. I will check it out later. Probably something i have seen before that some guys wrote. I read similar article like that before.

[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=32395025]Not all christians are the same. This is the same with Muslims.

Absolutely concur. That's common sense. But most Christians do not differentiate when it comes to Muslims. Just too bad.

There are foolish christians
There are foolish muslims
There are good christians
There are good muslims

Yep

God is above any country. No one should support any country 100%. Countries are man-made and not 100% perfect. Only God is perfect.

Mashallah!

So, my reply to any of my fellow christians who support isreal because of some old testament obsolete laws or because of hatred of palestine, is that true justice lies in the looking at both sides of the story. And if you weigh this story, Isreal is wrong on this issue and wrong on some other issues regarding Palestine

Mashallah!. See I understand. We (muslims) understand. But when some bigots want to act crazy. I did the same (ALL THE WAY) until i choose to stop.

Some folks place unconditional "love" for a tribe etc even if such tribe is hated by God. You can see a comment from the guy you replied.

Qur'an speaks to this effect. Sura Imran 110

You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.

Justice is superior beyond unconditional love. It's fine if one chooses to verify info before making judgement but wrong must be condemned. Period. Muslims (most) do that here on NL all the time

[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=32394927]I did not directly address the issue becuase Empire.e already spoilt my involvement in this thread by falsely accusing me. I had to defend myself.

I think you should do more reading than posting. I already exonerated you but you failed to read. My subsequent post takes you off same category with them. This is what i said:

ok, my post was not intended as blanket statement. I wanted to attract actual bigots. No, you aren't one of them. Not even naijablogger.

^ this is on p.1. Again, i dont think you are bigot. I just think you are a confused, lazy and yeyeman

Also, where did I express hatred of muslims? I didnt even mention muslims or islam. I only complained about you and Empire.e. Please, be careful when accusing others.
I have pointed out that you have issues. Please, learn to read and comprehend before you accuse people of nonsense.

As you can see, they did not address the op. They digressed and ran away

edwife:
Very nice dear

one aubergine,one tomato,cucumber,green pepper,onions.
use one teaspoon of butter (unsaturated) then fry for 4 min,add little water until soft.

I dont know how to prepare eggplant and what really goes with it?. Can you please give me some guidelines?. Thanks

Chillisauce:
Nice. The oil no plenty so?

I forgot to drain some out before putting in place

dalaman:
What is the recommended Quranic punishment for gays and adulterers?

Dont want to be rude but I think this is not the appropriate thread to ask this question. You may want to exploit "Islam section" see if there is any related thread(s). We can discuss there.

Thanks a lot

cococandy:
did you carve that?

hehehe. Not really

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true2god:
You and Dr. Naik are commedians. Dr naik said and I qoute 'the quran itself is complete but you need to read the commentary of the quran to understand it. And hadith is the commentary of the quran'. And the illiterate and gullible audience, who came to watch the showmanship of the charllatan doctor, clapped.

If the quran is complete, you dont need to use any commentary to understand it, that means a primary school pupil can read it and comprehend ASAP. But in the issue of the quran, it is not so. The literary work in the quran is zero, you can hardly join a consecutive verse of 10 and make any meaning out of it (you can proove me wrong).

For the Doctor to make such a contraditory assertion and you still post the video, i begin to wonder the thought pattern of some people. If the quran is self explanatory, you do not need any external source to explain its text, thats a simple logic.

Since the quran is not complete, you need hadith to make-up for where quran is deficient. And even the hadith, like the quran, is grossly contraditory. The hadith used by the sunni is quite different from the ones used by the shia muslims, hence both sects will have contraditory beliefs in some writings of the quran.

So spare us the garbage that quran is complete. Tell that to your willing audience this coming friday, who are always waiting for your next lies and dogmas.

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Is The Quran Incomplete Without Hadith?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4jC5iAl8E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBiqdvKlRAw&list=WL&index=206

Finally found my dish. Recipes include:
Salmon
Fried plantain
Onion
Red and Green pepper
Mazola oil
Jamaica hot pepper,

Picture #2 is my desert