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malvisguy212:
what are you saying, I don't understand you, you are not the one I reply for.

If yoi think the bible is corrupted, then produce the scripture Allah ask you to make confirmation with.you need to be worried because the book Allah ask you to check, you say it corrupted.

PastorKun:
where did I state that the original bible was read by Jesus

dolphinheart:
Now my questions still stand.
Is jesus the father.?
Are they the same person ?
What is trinity ?
Is the statements attributed to the bible verse mentioned by the op true or false?

malvisguy212:
1. we are not talking about the old testament here.
2.you don't expect me to teach you what is the meaning of "inspired by God" did Moses see when God created adam and eve?why did he wrote it down? Who inspired him?
And Paul did not preach any gospel,Paul epistle was a TEACHING NOT a gospel,Paul teach what Jesus preach.
3.are you lazy to read my post? Dint you read where I say the "good news" that Jesus Christ brought was about the KINGDOM OF GOD!!!!? The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail. ( Luke 16:16-17)
4.the apostle wrote what the holy spirit inspired them and it include the life and deed of Jesus, but the PRIMARILY goal is about the kingdom of God.
5.Paul did not wrote any Gospel,he teach what Jesus preach, mark and the rest wrote what was inspired to them.

Now do justice and answer my question.

malvisguy212:
you cannot answer it because you know where you will end up.

dejilg:
www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_plurality.htm

Read and see d "royal we" debunked

dejilg:
Are u kidding me so u don't knw dat dis versions of quran are transmissions not translations Dude are u a knowledgeable muslim at all So again, let me ask, which of those version did muhammed read And quran isn't ONE in arabic!!! so u r d "sorry one" not me.

dejilg:
Which version did muhammed read

Hafs, Warsh, Qalun, Al-Bazzi, al-Duri, Qunbul, al-Qari, al - Suri, Hisham...etc!!!

malvisguy212:
this is the question non of you were able to answers;
1.when was the bible corrupted?
If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
Corrupted to make confirmation?
2 If it was after Muhammad had died,
how was he able to receive the revelation
that the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had
been corrupted ?
3. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
4. Why would God be so weak as to allow
man throw away His words before He
would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from
experience?
I tell you the truth,if you answer this
questions properly you will discovered
sooo many lies. Thank you.

PastorKun:
I don't consider them pagans and even though i don't agree with a number of their doctrines, they are still a million times better than the islamic faith.

dejilg:
did muhammed read d quran

Akin1212:
You lack the ability to understand God's ways, I'm tired of making people like you see the truth because you will not see it... Mohammed in one of his letters to the king of ethiopia said Jesus is indeed the spirit of God, is the spirit of God not God ? As if that's not enough... God gave it's spirit into mary to be born as a man.. Do you think that's impossible ? The prophecy was foretold many times 500 yrs ago before mary was born. God himself didn't come down to become a baby, he sent His Word, so they who believe in him can be saved.. It's left to you to understand this, it's not my responsibility.

Akin1212:
But mohammed said He is, don't u believe his words again?

Ifeann:
Allah on the other hand apparently can't do many things including love non muslims. .I am sure u know the quran verse.

renounce islam my friend. . u were decieved and have heard the truth..u now have no excuse. .

PastorKun:
Go to the vatican, it's there in it's original format. meanwhile we christians don't claim God dictated the bible to us. We know it's history being inspired works compiled together and labelled as the bible by early christian leaders unlike your quoran that is the figments of the imagination of one man.

dejilg:
superlies, are we posting sites now? should I post in replies to these?

Bobbysworld28:
John copied from who? Pls dont go about advertising ur ignorance like this. It is shameful that ur mentor is a disaster to mankind.

1jn1.1-2.kjv That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

Does d above look like someone who copied from others? Evn his writing style is different.
I tire for u o!

dejilg:
Now u keep running from facts! so now u have a problem becos "its d last of the Gospels"? and whom said its d only 1 dat teaches abt Jesus being God do u ever reason and actually interact honestly with those dat don't accept ur view? so do u now agree that John teaches that Jesus is God or u'd dismiss like dis "its d last of the Gospels, so its nt authentic"....lolzzz, are u kidding me? Divinity of God --- is dat supposed to make sense Since we ddnt argue abt God's Divinity but God's nature, and u know well dat muslims differ on dt views, so dnt even try lying abt it...i guess u'd hv to alight now ryt?

Papist:
Who is "We" in your first verse?

dejilg:
if mine z empty, den urs z emptier cos even many muslims have creeds dat differ from urs!...I dnt need to prove to u dat "Jesus is God", I guess u read d Bible? what happened to d "prologue of John"

Ifeann:
permit me to mention u to read this..Empiree 9jaforlife tartar9 tola9ja rilwanye001 abuaman mrolai yourmain

peace

tola9ja:
malvisguy212 why did we have many versions of the bible and one version of the Qur'an

PastorKun:
TThe bible in it's original languages of Hebrew, aramaic and koin Greek would obviously be in only one version. P

dejilg:
that makes me wonder, cos I just see u ignore all d texts of the Bible that says Jesus is God and identifies Him as YHWH

Bobbysworld28:
The precedent is that Mohammed married a 6 year old. If he is d perfect example for mankind as u guys always put it, I dare say dt u r not a muslim for disputing perfection. It is safe for muslims to take his words as sacrosanct afterall, he is d only one dt received d revelation frm the angel. R u disputing his words or instructions?

Redoil:
though ur argument fits well and i like that. But so many respected islamic clerics have asserted that aisha was 8 or 9 years old when mohamed (as practice by people/nation arround saudi arabia of today) (saw) married her. So why are u trying to distort fact and what we are seening with our eyes been done by craddle robbers

Redoil:
if this is the way you reason then i give up.

Was She Really Six / Nine Years?!

Imam Bukhari documents, narrated by 'Aisha herself, that she was married to the Prophet at the age of six in the 2nd year of Hijrah; and the marriage was consummated while she was 9years.

Note: The age varies from 6 - 7, then 9 - 10 as far as Sunni different documentations are concerned.

However, further investigations shows that:
Exhibit 1: Imam Ibn Jarir Tabari (d. 310 A.H), wrote in his ‘History’:

“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.”
{Tarikh Tabari, vol. 4, p. 50.}

It is a common knowledge that the holy Prophet propagated Islam for 23years. 13years in Makkah and 10years in Madinah. 'Aisha was said to be "six (6) years" in the 2nd year of Prophet's 10years in Madinah. So, how could this ever be when Imam Tabari reported 'Aisha along her elder brothers and sisters were born before Islam? That should make her at least be 15 - 16years in the 2nd year Hijri.

Exhibit 2: Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib in a brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:
“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.”
{ Mishkat al-Masabih, Edition with Urdu translation published in Lahore, 1986, vol. 3, p. 300–301.}

Exhibit3.: Imam Ibn Kathir, in his book "Al-bidayya wal-nihaya," seconded this submission:
“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.”{Vol. 8, p. 346.}

If 'Asma died in 73 A. H at the age of 100years, that will make her 27 years in 1H (first year of Hijrah). Since, she's 10years older than 'Aisha, in the 1st Hijri, 'Aisha's age should be 17years (27 - 10 = 17).
And as agreed upon, she married the Prophet in the 2nd year of Hijrah, then she was 18years old then.
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Some Sunni scholars are hell-bent and desperately insisting that 'Aisha was six advancing their argument with the myth that only Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim were the most accurate book of tradition. They did this for two reasons:

1. To preserve and protect the claim of the "accuracy" of Sahih Bukhari. Admitting the age 6 is wrong is tantamount to finding fault in "almighty sahih al-Bukhari!"

2. To maintain the "status" of 'Aisha, according to them, being the "only virgin" the Prophet married. After all, a girl of 6years is a virgin?! Here, the intent is to prove her "spiritual purification".

This second point is thrown into thrash bin by the revelation of Surah Tahrim (Quran chap. 66).

malvisguy212:
I ask you a simple question which you cannot answer, All thoes written on a three and baby born with quran, who is sending it? How is it written? Did muhammed recite it on the mother womb? Your argument is not making sense at all.