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[quote author=malvisguy212 post=31221299]

ok,very good. how was the quran revealed?

Qur'an was revealed by Allah (God) to prophet muhammad (peace be upon him ) through Angel gabriel (peace be upon him). Word for word for the period of 23yrs.

Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims." (Quran 16:102)

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Why did you quote that quranic verse? Does it mean you agree with Allah written on a tree meat and rock? First you say "do you expect God to come down and write a book?" and now you provide a verse to support the Allah written on a meat ,rock'baby born with quran e.t.c this show that you are confused.

[/s]irrelevant to subject of discussion.

[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=31221465]

So wait, the quran was written years,after Muhammad's death yet he had time to review them?

come on brother...you are better than this. This is what i said

Don't even go there. You have no idea. Qur'an was committed to memories and WRITTEN down by companions in the LIFETIME of Muhammad. He reviewed Qur'an with them even in his last days of his blessed life on earth.

I told you to stop lying about your own religion.

Irrelevant

Human memory is fallible and the fact that you said that the Quran was written from committed memory just shows the fallibility..

You don't get it do you?

Qur'an was committed to memories and WRITTEN down by companions in the LIFETIME of Muhammad.

joseph1832:
I see. And what about the evidence that the Koran originated from God?

your brother no go let me sleep. i promise i will get back to u. really late and am sleepy

[quote author=AllNaijaBlogger post=31220481]

Why are you asking? Your Quran too was written under certain circumstances. Muhammad didn't write it himself.

Don't even go there. You have no idea. Qur'an was committed to memories and WRITTEN down by companions in the LIFETIME of Muhammad. He reviewed Qur'an with them even in his last days of his blessed life on earth.

You have no point on this thread. The new testament was written by different authors some known (Paul), some unknown. Notice is known about certain gospel writers.

Who's Paul? Don't worry i got his profile and background and activities. @bolded . You got lots of explaining to do here.

Meanwhile, we know Prophet Muhammad's companions backgrounds, their first and last names almost all of them. Thier family ties etc. You will always see from hadith mentioning their names and father's names. But who is Paul? Paul what?

malvisguy212:
when muhammed say the inspiration came to him
, what does it mean?

Qur'an was revealed by Allah (God) to prophet muhammad (peace be upon him ) through Angel gabriel (peace be upon him). Word for word

Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims." (Quran 16:102)

the question I ask is important to you and not to ME.do you believe God will write on a tree and meat?

^"We will show them Our signs in the universe and within their own beings until it will become manifest to them that it is the truth." (41:53)

olamilekside2:
pls let get fact b4 we conclude, it is not Arab culture, it is islamic. Prophet muhammad (SAW) was sent to the whole world not Arab only. He never said any of His doctrine/sunnah is for Arab culture but for the whole world.

Jazakallah khayran

AllNaijaBlogger:
See what ignorance has done to Empiree!


You claim that the Quran is directly from God to prophet Muhammad. We claim that Jesus and other men from the bible received their revelations from God.


So what makes your claims any better? What gives the Quran any more precedence than my bible? The bible is more popular, more submitted to, more influential in literature, more ancient and lastly, recognised by three religions -

Judaism, Christianity and even islam recognise the bible as a holy book. Only islam recognises the quran.

no, don't give me this crap. it's easy for people to say bible is "old", "reliable", "popular" etc. that's not what i need. That doesn't proof anything. Satan is also old and popular.

Forget about what qur'an says about it. you don't know that. what i need from you is how bible (new testament) was written and by whom?. That's all.

AllNaijaBlogger:
He was pointing out your ignorance. The bible was not compiled together as it is now. It was a numerous volume of scriptures in different places.

keep going. Am listening. Now you are in line instead of "ignorance this ignorance that". That's irrelevant

malvisguy212:
I ask you a question which you cannot answer, All the writing on a tree and meat including baby born with the quran, who was. Writing them? Allah or satan?

This is irrelevant. Conversation here is about revelation to prophets by God. You digressing the issue here.

joseph1832:
What the hell does this mean?.

i was simply saying you clearing the air gradually

malvisguy212:
so you think am under pressure? Do you think I argue just to win?I don't argue for argument sake.

Everybody including your muslims brother knows you are dead wrong,how can you defined a book as revelation?.I ask you a question you answer it with a clue,is that how to debate?

In the early verses, Jews and Christians
are called 'People of the Book'
and the Bible is to be respected. In the
later verses however; when Jews and
Christians did not accept Mohammad
as the 'NEW' prophet, the Quran
changed it's tune; Jews and Christians
then became enemies of 'Allah' and are
stamped 'INFIDELS.'

I may have to give up on you but i will give you second chance. Before i return here, kindly answer this question pending my return: Do you think that when God says He "sent down" or "revealed" Holy Books, it means God throws the Books from heaven and his prophets catch them?

joseph1832:
As at the time Jesus walked this Earth, there was no such thing as the Holy Bible, which comprises the old and new testament.

Ashiri yin tin tu die die

joseph1832:
Where is the evidence that the Koran is the direct word from God?.

I edited a post you quoted on previous page. Take a look. As for your question, let me see if i can do that now. not sure cus it's late here. bedtime

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AllNaijaBlogger:
They clearly did not know that Jesus read the old testament and that the new testament is an account of his life told by others.

"told by others". Who are they?. Sorry you dont have a case yet. Quran is direct word of Allah(God) through Archangel (Jubril) to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Word for Word. No hearsays by men like your Bible. And who told you we dont know Jesus knew about Old Testament?

And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law (Torah) that had come before him. We sent him the Gospel; therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah
(HQ: 5:46).

Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Torah (which came) before me,
(HQ: 61:6).

The holy verses of Qur'an agree with the Gospel where Jesus said:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil (M't: 5:17).

The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) carried a Call that came to clarify previous Revelations and spell out what was misunderstood.

To thee We sent the Book in truth, confirming the Book that came before it, and guarding it in safety (HQ: 5:48)

These verses show that we (muslims) know that Jesus knew about Old Book that came before him. I can go on and on. But you havent make any sense yet. Just hiding behind a skirt, you &past.kun

9jaforlife:
Are you blaming them? They wouldn't be wasting away if they had something better to do with their lives... BUSY DOING NOTHING!!

Honestly, thats why i "un-followed" this thread really. They are annoying. What's even annoying is a guy call "allnaijablogger" always hide behind lady's skirt,... telling me i quote anti christian webs yet ignoring this clown. I am sick of him. I think he has soft heart but misguided.

Rilwayne001:
Salam bro,

You are doing a great job on this section.


Jazakumullahu Kairan.

We all know 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 to the deluded trinitarian, trying to explain to them, they will tell you that you cant understand it unless you have holy spirit...SMH...The question I always ask this people is that, Why for so many years non of the old prophet taught this erroneous nature of God? atleast moses should have, if actually he did, the jews would also believe God is 3.

walaikum salam, Jazakumullahu Kairan for the compliment. Hope they get it

AllNaijaBlogger:
I can't stop laughing at the ignorance of Messrs

They clearly did not know that Jesus read the old testament and that the new testament is an account of his life told by others.

Everyone can see that these guys have an agenda to attack christianity. when he is against christians copying from anti-islamic websites.

Whether they like it or not, Jesus is our saviour and the bible is far more reliable on Jesus than the Quran. Jesus himself quoted the old testament as he lived with other Jews. Jesus appeared in the bible long before the advent of islam.

Empty as usual. All you have to do is present evidence. That's all I am waiting for. Everything else is nonsense. And pls stop talking about copying from anti-christian websites and look in the mirror. This is website your girlf friend that you hide behind her skirt copied many things from. Is it pro-Islam website? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/011-taqiyya.htm . If you have counterclaim, bring it forward. If you have nothing to say, abeg, zip it. Now listen to one of your silly brothers hell bent and no manners and others embracing ISLAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ib0IF7jnWQ

Continued....

[size=15pt]Scholars Of The Bible Say The Bible Has Been Badly Edited And Corrupted Over Time[/size]

Critical scholars today are generally in agreement that the sources of the Pentateuch were 4 separate documents written in different times by different authors. These source documents were called the J (Jehowah/Yahweh), E (Elohim) D (Deuteronomic), and the P (priestly), documents. Internal evidence shows that “J” originated from the southern kingdom of Judah and was the earliest to be documented around 900BC; “E” was written in the northern kingdom of Israel probably about a century or so later. The “D” document is dated to about 700BC. The documents were then combined into one by the priesthood, who added their own “Priestly” tradition to it, during the Babylonian exile (after 560 BC). We are not concerned here with the basis of this theory as our purpose is simply to show that it could not have been written by Moses-a fundamentalist bedrock belief. For more on this read Anderson, A Critical Introduction to the Old Testament.

The gospels are not eyewitness accounts

-Allen D. Callahan, Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School

Some scholars say so many revisions occurred in the 100 years following Jesus' death that no one can be absolutely sure of the accuracy or authenticity of the Gospels, especially of the words the authors attributed to Jesus himself. -Jeffery L. Sheler.

Even the Biblical book of Jeremiah clearly states that the scribes of the ancient Israelites altered the revealed scriptures given to the Israelites by Allah, and thus changed them “into a lie”.

[size=15pt]" 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?[/size] (Jeremiah 8:8 New International Version)

[b]Conclusions/Notes/Bibliography[/b]

So in conclusion, one can see that the Quran maintains that the books of the Jews and Christians have been corrupted, altered and edited over time. When the Quran talks about the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel it is speaking about the original versions given to Moses, David and Jesus. It is not talking about the current Torah, Psalms and the Four Canonical Gospels we have today.

Notes and Bib:

[1] For more verses from the Quran which point to the Bible being corrupted see Quran 4:46, 5:41,44, 6:91, 10:93, 11:110, 15:90, 41:45, 62:5

[2] "The catholic papers," (U.S. News & World Report, Dec. 10, 1990)


melvisguy212, this is just of my replies ^


Next....
[size=20pt]Paul and the Origins of Christianity[/size] to be continued.....

dejilg:
Which version did muhammed read

Hafs, Warsh, Qalun, Al-Bazzi, al-Duri, Qunbul, al-Qari, al - Suri, Hisham...etc!!!

Further Refutations

Difference Between Ahrûf & Qirâ'ât

It is important to realize the difference between ahruf and Qirâ'ât. Before going into that it is interesting to know why the seven ahruf were brought down to one during Uthmân's(R) time.

The Qur'an continued to be read according to the seven ahruf until midway through Caliph 'Uthman's rule when some confusion arose in the outlying provinces concerning the Qur'an's recitation. Some Arab tribes had began to boast about the superiority of their ahruf and a rivalry began to develop. At the same time, some new Muslims also began mixing the various forms of recitation out of ignorance. Caliph 'Uthman decided to make official copies of the Qur'an according to the dialect of the Quraysh and send them along with the Qur'anic reciters to the major centres of Islam. This decision was approved by Sahaabah and all unofficial copies of the Qur'an were destroyed. Following the distribution of the official copies, all the other ahruf were dropped and the Qur'an began to be read in only one harf. Thus, the Qur'an which is available through out the world today is written and recited only according to the harf of Quraysh.

Now a few words on Qirâ'ât:

A Qirâ'ât is for the most part a method of pronunciation used in the recitations of the Qur'an. These methods are different from the seven forms or modes (ahruf) in which the Qur'an was revealed. The seven modes were reduced to one, that of the Quraysh, during the era of Caliph 'Uthman, and all of the methods of recitation are based on this mode. The various methods have all been traced back to the Prophet(P) through a number of Sahaabah who were most noted for their Qur'anic recitations. That is, these Sahaabah recited the Qur'an to the Prophet(P) or in his presence and received his approval. Among them were the following: Ubayy Ibn K'ab, 'Alee Ibn Abi Taalib, Zayd Ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud, Abu ad-Dardaa and Abu Musaa al-Ash'aree. Many of the other Sahaabah learned from these masters. For example, Ibn 'Abbaas, the master commentator of the Qur'an among the Sahaabah, learned from both Ubayy and Zayd.

I will stop here now. Is there anything in this writing to suggest there versions of Quran?. The answer is No. But if you think there versions of Quran in Arabic, kindly bring it forward. But if you can't find or bring it forward, then shut up....FOREVER

yOU aRE dEfEAteD oN tHIs

dejilg:
Which version did muhammed read

Hafs, Warsh, Qalun, Al-Bazzi, al-Duri, Qunbul, al-Qari, al - Suri, Hisham...etc!!!

This Is My Refutation To Your Allegations:

It has become a standard method of deception by Christian missionaries like Jochen Katz to superficially project issues that have been exhaustively addressed by both Muslims and Orientialsts, as we will see soon, inshallah. These missionaries are well aware of the difference between a transmission and a text (to be discussed in detail below). Yet, they intentionally replace one with the other in order to give the false impression to lay readers that the Qur'an exists in different texts. Thus, in order to address the questions of Hafs and Warsh, we will first offer a short introduction to the key concepts involved herein and then proceed to the heart of the matter, inshallah.

Revelation Of The Qur'an In Seven Ahrûf

It is a well-known fact that there are seven different ahrûf in which the Qur'an was revealed. In the Islamic tradition, this basis can be traced back to a number of hadîths concerning the revelation of the Qur'an in seven ahrûf (singular harf). Some of the examples of these hadîths are as follows:

From Abû Hurairah:

The Messenger of God(P) said: "The Qur'an was sent down in seven ahruf. Disputation concerning the Qur'an is unbelief" - he said this three times - "and you should put into practice what you know of it, and leave what you do not know of it to someone who does."

From Abû Hurairah:

The Messenger of God(P) said: "An All-knowing, Wise, Forgiving, Merciful sent down the Qur'an in seven ahruf."

From cAbdullâh Ibn Mascud:

The Messenger of God(P) said: "The Qur'an was sent down in seven ahruf. Each of these ahruf has an outward aspect (zahr) and an inward aspect (batn); each of the ahruf has a border, and each border has a lookout."

The meaning of this hadîth is explained as:

As for the Prophet's(P) words concerning the Qur'an, each of the ahruf has a border, it means that each of the seven aspects has a border which God has marked off and which no one may overstep. And as for his words Each of the ahruf has an outward aspect (zahr) and an inward aspect (batn), its outward aspect is the ostensive meaning of the recitation, and its inward aspect is its interpretation, which is concealed. And by his words each border ...... has a lookout he means that for each of the borders which God marked off in the Qur'an - of the lawful and unlawful, and its other legal injunctions - there is a measure of God's reward and punishment which surveys it in the Hereafter, and inspects it ...... at the Resurrection ......


And in another hadîth cAbdullâh Ibn Mascud said:

The Messenger of God(P) said: "The first Book came down from one gate according to one harf, but the Qur'an came down from seven gates according to seven ahruf: prohibiting and commanding, lawful and unlawful, clear and ambiguous, and parables. So, allow what it makes lawful, proscribe what it makes unlawful, do what it commands you to do, forbid what it prohibits, be warned by its parables, act on its clear passages, trust in its ambiguous passages." And they said: "We believe in it; it is all from our Lord."


And Abû Qilaba narrated:

It has reached me that the Prophet(P) said: "The Qur'an was sent down according to seven ahruf: command and prohibition, encouragement of good and discouragement of evil, dialectic, narrative, and parable."

These above hadîths serve as evidence that the Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf. The defination of the term ahruf has been the subject of much scholarly discussion and is included in the general works of the Qur'an. The forms matched the dialects of following seven tribes: Quraysh, Hudhayl, Thaqîf, Hawâzin, Kinânah, Tamîm and Yemen. The revelation of the Qur'an in seven different ahruf made its recitation and memorization much easier for the various tribes. At the same time the Qur'an challenged them to produce a surah like it in their own dialect so that they would not complain about the incomprehensibility.

The verses of the Qur'an dealing with the challenge are given below (Hilali and Muhsin Khan's Translation):

Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another." [Qur'an 17:88]

And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'an) to Our slave (Muhammad Peace be upon him ), then produce a surah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allah, if you are truthful. [Qur'an 2:23]

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (Lord of the heavens and the earth), but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it [i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel), etc.], and a full explanation of the Book (i.e. laws and orders, etc, decreed for mankind) - wherein there is no doubt from the the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns,and all that exists).

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!" [Qur'an 10:37-38]

Or they say, "He (Prophet Muhammad(P)) forged it (the Qur'an)." Say: "Bring you then ten forged surah (chapters) like unto it, and call whomsoever you can, other than Allah (to your help), if you speak the truth!" [Qur'an 11:13]

Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it (this Qur'an)?" Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Qur'an) if they are truthful. [Qur'an 52:33-34]

For example, the phrase 'alayhim (on them) was read by some 'alayhumoo and the word siraat (path, bridge) was read as ziraat and mu'min (believer) as moomin.

^ Seems like you admire Dr Mohammed Tahir ul Qadri a lot. That's good

hum, some people among the Muslims are going to say "Islam is Arab religion", eventually. Astagfurllah!

dejilg:
Yep!!! That proves that u failed "Logic" in mathematics, my assertion is now brought out by u...no wonder, Trinitarianism just dazzled U (like God's Glory would)....
and we are also told that, "forget allah's mathematical failure, we don't care (probably cos he failed mathematics too) --- best defence so far is "Shut Up"

You still not making any sense. You havent said anything. I dont worry myself going to your link cuz I already gone through your nonsense for yrs. Whether you like it or not. Whether you agree or not, you are polytheist. Hear what Quran says about this:


O People of the Book!(i:e Christians) Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (Qur'an 4:171)

dejilg:
.."The Father is God, The Son is God and the HolySpirit is God, yet there is for us ONE GOD" ... or don't u know wat "AND" means in mathematics and that "OR is +" Shame on dis followers of allah, like their god like d muslims

Dont worry urself about inheritance law. No one complains to you.

"AND" "means" + (plus) i:e plus another god or in addition to.....

"Or" is substituting one god for another.

[quote author=dejilg post=31215153][/quote]Man, pls face the op. He's hammering your head with 3 gods you worship. Pay attention to him. Dont digress this interesting topic....NONsense

Ride on bro...they are polytheists. They want us to believe 1+1+1=1. rilwayne001 abeg come to this one. Ineresting. I de gbadun am

CAPTIVATOR:
ONE God ? NO, its 3 .... Should I prove it

God number 1 = the Father

God number 2 = the Son, Jesus

God number 3 = holyspirit.

INFACT they are all different persons, and each is God! 3




I Love it when people quote that passage in full

Who is called the ONE GOD ? THE FATHER

Does it tell us why he is called the ONE GOD ? YES , " FROM WHOM all things are, and we for him"

Who is called the One Lord ? Jesus
WHy is Jesus called the One Lord ? " through whom all things are, and we through him " .

IS JESUS THE FATHER ? NO! NO!



THE Firstborn of CREATION! CREATION! cannot be the source, he is the "beginning"

Scriptural Definition Of Firstborn ....... " The BEGINNING OF pro creativ power" . Gen 49:2

So beginning is the right translation



Of course,

Jesus refer to the FATHER as "the ONLY TRUE GOD" JOH 17:3

Hmmmm _ " THE ONLY .. GOD " JOH 17:3



" FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER" 1 Cor 8:6



- That verse says the Father annoints Jesus!

- That Verse says the Father is the God of Jesus .

- 1) Didnt the Father also call humans"GODS"?

2) DIDNT the Father also inspire scripture writers to call Satan " GOD" ? ( or av u forgotten that the original greek doesnt separate "G" and "g" )

THE FATHER Remains " THE ONLY ... GOD" Joh 17:3

" THE ONLY .. GOD" Joh 17:3

" THE ... TRUE GOD" Joh 17:3! WOW

I'd thought you would return here to proof me wrong but unfortunately, I am highly disappointed by you.So if you have no sensible thing to say, kindly.....SHUT UP

dejilg:
3 headed god? i brought the quran into this because u asked if Jesus read the Bible, so am not dodgin...just exposing the muhammed made religion that u attribute to God by tryin to make d quranic allah into YHWH...the fact remains that quran is different for different muslims....stop lying

SNCOQ3:
First, gospel means good news, tiding.

Greek: euggelizo - to announce good news("evangelize" ; declare,bring, show glad(good) tidings, preach the good news.
matt 4:23 (euggellion)
mark 1:14-15(euggellion)
luke 4:18(euggelizo)

"Gospel" is usually used in 2 ways in reference to the bible:

M1. The message of redemption: the good news that God is reconcilling the world unto himself through Jesus Christ: whether its a prophetic text that falls within this category in the book of Isaiah or Jesus proclaiming it from town to town or paul or malvinguy,ifeann evangelizing it....etc; its the gospel.

M2. The 4 canonical books of the NT: Matt, Mark, Luke,John which are about the life, works, death and ressurection of Jesus Christ from different.


When Jesus read from the book of Isaiah, He was reading a prophetic gospel which His works will be a fulfilment to.

When we say malvinguy is reading from the gospel, it means he is reading from matt, mark, luke, john (M2).

If malvin is preaching the gospel, then its (M1) regardless of which OT and NT books he is referencing.

Its all about context.

While I respect your contribution, this still doesnt proof anything. I dont need to be told Gospel is "evangelism". Evangelism is what Muslims called "Dawah" i:e propagation, invite, etc. Even Satan also do evangelism. So thats not the point. Point is did those Bible writers ACCURATELY gave correct accounts (everything about Jesus including his teachings) he was sent with by Allah? Because there are too many inconsistencies knowing that its all hearsays.

I really dont need to say much. There is a book written by Friedman titled "Who Wrote The Bible?". I read it several times already. I dont want to go there for now. Who are those culprits who claimed they were "inspired" by "holy ghost" who penned New Testament? Who copied who?. They dont even have last names, their backgrounds are unknown. Whether you guys like it or not, questions will always linger around your Gospel or Bible. So mr. your comment is not sufficient.

Honestly, in my humble opinion, this is none issue. Quran comes first before anything else. The fact that it allows men to marry more than one wife makes it legal and halal.

What anyone says is irrelevant. A man just doesn't have to be rude to his first wife just because he's getting another. And first wife does not have to live at the expense of the later. That's not righteous.

First all, this seems to bear burdens on women. I understand that jealous part. That's normal but Allah comes first. Therefore, a believing woman must submit first to Allah's command whether she's comfortable with it or not. That's called Iman.

We also need to look at the whole thing from broad perceptive. We know rosul(saw) said that in the Last Age there will be more women than men. Meaning the ratio of women will be higher than men. This is happening around us today. So if every man is to marry a woman, which is what feminism is now all about, them other women be nothing but prostitute. It doesnt matter how one defines the term.

I swear, a believing woman who humbles herself and trust in Allah will accept her husband's decision to bring in another wife. Again, I can understand the frustration sometimes. But hey, this is part of Allah's mercy. You just dont know yet.

I also understand that some men, maybe a lot of men abuse it as well. No doubt about that. That's why Quran places conditions.

If you ask me if one man and one woman is the only way to go?, i tell you it's hypocrisy. Go and scrutinize those men very well, they have ex-marital affairs all the time. Many of them even bear children with different mistresses. The problem with this is they are not married (zina=haram), those women themselves are not protected (as in all benefits of marriage).They lose it. Even in the West, the least they could hold on to in most cases is "child support". The children themselves are not protected. Children will be all over places with different mothers etc.

A case study is I read about "Nollyhood" so called celebrities men struggling with sexual urges despite marrying one wife. Typical example is actor Jibola Dabo who openly said one wife is not enough. http://leadership.ng/entertainment/363307/im-ardent-supporter-polygamy-jibola-dabo.

Same thing "King" Sunny Ade, so called devout christian has many wives.
http://www.bellanaija.com/2014/11/07/veteran-musician-king-sunny-ade-shows-off-his-7-beautiful-wives/

I also remember my final yr secondary school day when I was very closed to a very beautiful classmate. But we were not into boyfriend/girlfriend thing at all. Just a friend. We go home together all the time. Vice principal of that school was a Pastor in the city. One day he called me and warned me that he doesnt want to see me with that lady EVER. I was scared as a young student. Then I secretly followed the lady after school hours to gist her what happened and why VP would say that? She said he's has been bothering the hell out of her....not to be his wife....not to be his "regular" girl friend but his valva.

It was this lady who exposed the "pastor" (VP) to me that he actually married with 5 wives in the city and he has some students in the same school that have aborted pregnancies "a million times" for him. I witnessed one of them who lived in the house i rented when she was sick after abortion.

Since then I salute my VP.

My point is men are designed for multiple wives. This is undeniable. Any man who says he can't marry one wife or detests it be it Muslim or not, I will scrutinize his private life. Trust me. Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky leaked secret was just plain example, too.

This is purely my opinion.

Papist:
Royal *we*. Sorry it doen't make sense. Sounds like revisionism. But I accept i might be wrong.

Yes, you are wrong bcuz if you think WE means plural, it means you believe in multiple gods. That's polytheism=pagan Understand?

In other for me to take you serious, you first need to learn manners. Second, my post ws not directed at you.

Bobbysworld28:
The Koran is one man's delusion of granduer. Except for deluded folks who have no anchor in reality, the Koran is not to be taken serious. Dt apart Jesus said he and his Father are one when his disciples asked him to show them the Father. He also showed us the ministry if the Holy Spirit. From him we are aware to the Fatherhood of God (as opposed to d slave-mentality of Mohammed). God confirmed his words with signs following.
Jesus might not have called it trinity but he gave instruction for his disciples to baptise in the name (singular) of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
This was a new concept that ppl named trinity. It was not a fabrication. It was a reality taught to us by The Way himself

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