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true2god:
Can you tell me the lies fabricated against your prophet? The op quoted from the bible, the quran and the hadith.

Whenever a critical issue is brought up against your prophet, it becomes insults and fabrication, even if the issues are contained in your Islamic source materials.

And these are from Qur'an, too?

9jaforlife:
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Other Religions

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

3) Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)


Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

God will kill Children
1) If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)


2) Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Slavery
1) Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

2) Sell Your Daughters
Exodus 21: 7
"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do"

Don't even get me started on the "Old Testament" thing, the bible itself says in Luke 16:17
"But that doesn't mean that the law has lost its force. It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of God's law to be overturned."

AllNaijaBlogger:
I wish the woman all the best in her newly married life. She knows why she entered the marriage. It is her decision.

I am surprised that this happened in the UK. I don't think the law will recognise their marriage. This could be a problem for her, though

Who cares what UK thinks

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=31089571]

Mishkat IV, page 360:
“‘And indeed I saw him while the
revelation descended upon him[/b] on
an intensely cold day; THEN IT LEFT
HIM while his brow steamed with
sweat.’”

Read the above very well. Two things can be derived from it. Yourself have said several times on different threads that 'no proof', 'no witnesses' of revelation sent down upon him(peace be upon him). The above is one of them. You certainly have no idea what it meant by revelation. Go and study harder.

Here it was clearly written the angel possessed him"then left him" after the revelation

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1,
Number 3:
The Prophet added, “ THE ANGEL
CAUGHT ME (forcefully) and PRESSED
ME SO HARD that I could not bear it
any more. He then released me and
again asked me to read and I replied,
‘I do not know how to read.’
Thereupon HE CAUGHT ME AGAIN and
pressed me a second time till I
could not bear it any more. He then
released me and again asked me to
read but again I replied, ‘I do not
know how to read (or what shall I
read)?’ Thereupon he CAUGHT ME FOR
THE THIRD time and pressed me, and
then released me and said, ‘Read in
the name of your Lord, who has
created (all that exists) has created
man from a clot.

Honestly, you need to shut up. It's not "evil possession" as you want people to believe. This is part of knowledge average Muslims already learned in primary school but you can not understand because your brain is suspended between heaven and earth. Below is full narration from suhih bukhari

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3

Narrated 'Aisha:
(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read. The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari while talking about the period of pause in revelation reporting the speech of the Prophet "While I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw the same angel who had visited me at the cave of Hira' sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, 'Wrap me (in blankets).' And then Allah revealed the following Holy Verses (of Quran): 'O you (i.e. Muhammad)! wrapped up in garments!' Arise and warn (the people against Allah's Punishment),... up to 'and desert the idols.' (74.1-5) After this the revelation started coming strongly, frequently and regularly."

This was his (saw) first encounter with Jubril (as). Quran itself references this incident in Surah muzamil http://quran.com/73 . Obviously, you guys are just learning. We already bypassed this growing up. And why did you cut and paste part of it in the first place.

Anyways, no matter how bad you try to paint Muhammad Ibn Abdullah(peace be upon him), Quran, Islam, Islam it will continue to grooooooow.

She's mentally disturbed. I tell you

tit:
you just saw my pics.
that is not a bulldozer.
the contraption in front shred and chips the plants and trees around so they can be part of the soil there.
this chipper minimally disturbs the top soil.

Okay, thanks. I was hardly awake when i was reading it earlier. So what's the cost difference btw this and bulldo?

Sorry, you just spinning in circle all the time. I no longer see you intelligent enough. You are dealt with on this thread and other atheist thread by liekiller. You ran away from there. This is one of my responses earlier on this thread.

And why didn't PAUL, MATHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN abolished slavery 600years before Muhammad was born? It wasn't in their best interest to do so.

FACTS:

*Did slavery or slave trades exist before prophet Muhammad(Allah's peace and blessings be upon him)? YES

*Did Jews and Christians preceded Muhammad? YES

*Did Jews and Christians have enough grace to abolish slavery before Muhammad? YES

*How many years? 600 years (six centuries)

*Did they abolish slavery within that period? NO

You can not deny these obvious facts. Any wonder why slavery is not recorded much in New Testament?. It's because writers deliberately left it out. How in the world slavery existed before Muhammad and during New Testament era and nothing recorded regarding slavery?. That's hell of culprits. Ancient Jews and Christians had 600 yrs to abolish slavery but Peter, Paul, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were busy fabricating stories about three-headed gods and left out slavery part.

You can't deny slavery existed between the demise of Jesus (peace be upon him) and advent of Muhammad(peace be upon him). Why did they leave out slave trade in NT?. Slavery recorded in the OT didn't just happen by accident. It happened because Jews, Christians and Pagan Arabs all traded slaves. If you deny this, I ask you why was this event not recorded in NT?. Are you saying Jesus was just sitting around and ignored like it didn't exist?

Ancient Jews and Christians waited for 600 yrs for arrival of Muhammad to abolish what they started. Muhammad was sent to the whole world (of seen and unseen, living and non living things, animals and plants etc). And he delivered the message within 23 yrs period and at the same time had to deal with the mess created Jews and Christians of old.

But MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN are not prophets sent by God. They had no job to do. So why did they not talk about slavery?. Why all of a sudden NT barely gives reference to slavery?. So why are you saying Christianity has nothing to do with slavery. That's false. And now you want to blame prophet Muhammad?.

European Christians of course did not start slavery but they pursued the same agenda in different fashion (i:e through secularism) but same agenda of Christians of old. They too quoted Bible at some point during their dirty business. And all the Arab and Muslim countries you mentioned earlier that were forced to end slavery, they themselves were under colonialism of European christian slave traders and masters. They were not independent.

The real reason Paul, Peter, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John made little or no reference to slavery in New Testament was because Old Testament was used to achieve their christiandom, christian civilization etc. They massacred and destroyed primitive people to get to the top. After they achieved everything they wanted, they now claimed their God is now peaceful. That He has renounced violence. That same God now transformed to three headed-god and he's peaceful and loving in New Testament. That's bu'llshit if you ask me.

But in the Old Testament, he is violent, detroyer, He was just killing men, women and children. He killed killed killed and killed and intimidated people. He then went for rehab and came out smiling, loving, caring, "no more crusade" bla bla bla after he already achieved everything by violence. And almost everything about his violence past barely recorded in New Testament. In Old Testament, he had swords of Achilles, shield and armor and wore 'abaya'. He rode on camels and horses. After he came out from rehab as "nonviolence", he now rides on BMW, he puts on suit and tie and declared "no more crusade" after he already destroyed people's lives. And now he wants Muhammad to deal with the mess he created. Nonsense!

And dont forget you havent tell nairalanders about your 3headed-gods you worship.

parisbookaddict:
Bishop Desmond tutu also rejects ur pedophile prophet as a fraud..hope u agree with him as well

This is annular argument. That claim of yours is refuted time and again. You can continue yelling over that. That's your headache.

And Bishop Desmond Tutu simply doesn't choose Islam for belief purposes not because of your inept allegation.

But same Bishop Desmond is pro homosexual which is forbidden according to your Bible.

[size=20pt]"When missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible we had the land. They said 'let us pray'. We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the bible they had the land"[/size] ~ Desmond tutu

parisbookaddict:
[size=4pt]Wow..some of the lies and ur use of al taqyiaa here was amusing...
U can decieve the ignorant but u can't decieve those of us that have researched islam and know ur hadiths. Lol empiree u are deluded.. continue posting from pro islamic propaganda sites.. Fuwaysiqah[/size]

Same silly tactic. You better stop that nonsense before i send you where you belong again. If you have no reasonable counterclaim, kindly......SHUT UP!



[size=20pt]"When missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible we had the land. They said 'let us pray'. We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the bible they had the land"[/size] ~ Desmond tutu

tit:
the top soil contains a lot of plant nutrients.
If you blade away the top soil, grass cannot grow and next thing soil erosion starts.

Thanks a lot. Is there alternatives to bulldozer?

YourMain:
I swear honesty its tiring.

You dey mind them. They are frustrated and bored.

^Op Qur'an (4:24)

When Islam was reveled to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), slavery was a worldwide common social phenomenon; it was much older than Islam. Slavery was deeply rooted in every society to the extent that it was impossible to imagine a civilized society without slaves.

In spite of this social fact, Islam was the first religion to recognize slavery as a social illness that needed to be addressed. Since slavery was deeply rooted in the society, Islam did not abolish it at once. Rather, Islam treated slavery in the same manner it treated other social illnesses. Islam followed the same methodology of gradual elimination in dealing with this social disease as it did with other social illnesses, for example: the prohibition of alcohol in three steps.

Concerning having slave women, we would like to let you know that it happens to be a practice necessitated by the condition in which early Muslims found themselves vis-à-vis non-Muslims, as both parties engaged in wars. Slave women or milk al-yameen are referred to in the Qur'an as “Those whom your right hand legally possess” or “ma malakat aymanukum”; they are those taken as captives during conquests and subsequently became slaves, or those who were descendants of slaves.

Thus, it was a war custom in the past to take men and women as captives and then turn them into slaves. Islam did not initiate it, rather, it was something in practice long ago before the advent of Islam. And when Islam came, it tried to eradicate this practice, bit by bit. So it first restricted it to the reciprocal practice of war, in the sense that Muslims took war captives just as the enemies did with Muslims.

But as it aimed at putting an end to such issue, Islam laid down rules which would eventually lead to eradicating the practice. So it allowed Muslims to have intercourse with slave women taken as captives of just and legitimate wars. In so doing, the woman would automatically become free if she got pregnant. What's more, her child would also become free.

Not only that, Islam also ordered a Muslim to treat the slave woman in every respect as if she were his wife. She should be well fed, clothed and given due protection. In the family environment, she had the opportunity to learn about Islam and was free to accept it or reject it. She also had the opportunity to earn her freedom for she could be ransomed.

In the light of the above-mentioned facts, and the nature of the question posed by people, it's clear that some people misunderstand the wisdom behind the permissibility of having female slaves and think that it is meant to unleash men’s desires and give them more enjoyment. Never! That is not the point! It is, rather, means of freeing slaves; and this is clarified above in the fact that if a master got a female slave pregnant, then he could neither sell her nor give her away as a present. And if he died, she would not be considered part of his property. She'd receive her freedom and her baby would also be free.

But, we have to stress that this case should not be confused with that of female servants or maids, for they are free and not slaves. Therefore, it is forbidden to engage in sexual relations with them except through an Islamic marriage.

Slavery has been abolished by international conventions, and goes in line with aims and objectives of Islam, as it has called for centuries ago.

As for marrying slaves, it is something permissible under two conditions: first, if one is unable to pay the dowry of a free woman. Second, if there is fear of committing adultery if one doesn’t get married. This is clarified by the following verse: “And whose is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you.” (An-Nisaa’: 25)

This verse shows that Muslim men should abstain from illicit relations and seek enjoyment through marriage to free women or through their female slaves.

In conclusion, Allah has forbidden certain types of behavior and permitted other kinds of behavior as a safeguard to the individual and to the society. Allah has forbidden fornication and adultery. However, in the case of captives whom your right hands posses, it's something necessitated by the special circumstances which were created when the Muslims were at war.”

(Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544596)

POINT:
Quran slaves can request freedom and get it.

You are not supposed to force your slave into sexual intercourse.

1) Show us where in the Bible a slave can request his/her freedom and actually receive it, including some money

2) Respond to the fact that in the Bible, you can literally sell your daughter to be a slave!:

Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

Qur'an 24:33
"Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"

End

parisbookaddict:
Qur'an (23:5-6)- Qur'an (4:24)- Qur'an (8:69)-
[size=4pt]"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part. The Muslim slave master may enjoy his "catch" because (according to verse 71) "Allah gave you mastery over them."[/size]

Here is the answer. In Islam if a master has sex with his slave, then when the slave girl is pregnant, she and her child is automatically freed after the masters death. But that’s not the only way a slave can get freedom, infact if a slave request his/her freedom, she or he can get it!

Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),"

As we can clearly see, Islam says that if a slave request freedom, he/she can get it, including some money, in order for the slave to get a good jump start in life.

Beside this, the Prophet (S) also ordered for slaves to not be forced into having sexual intercourse:

"Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"

Also read how the Prophet (S) used to free slaves:

Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America and Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California. He states the following:

"The author claims that “the Bible condemns slavery” and “one who practices slavery contradicts right teachings.” In order to prove his point he even adds “the slave traders” in 1Timothy 1:10. There is no such word there in the Revised Standard Version.

Actually in the whole Bible this word does not exist. The author also makes false allegation against Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by saying that he used to buy, sell, hire, and rent slaves.

Slavery existed throughout the Biblical period including the time of Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him). Most of the Biblical prophets had slaves, both males and females. Perhaps the author of this flyer did not read his own New Testament. Otherwise he would have found there the following advice to slaves: “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed.” (1 Timothy 6:1) and “Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory…” (Titus 2:9)

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) did not own slaves. He had many slaves purchased and freed. The author quotes Muslim scholar Ibn Al-Qayyim who said about the Prophet, “His purchases of slaves were more then he sold.” This is correct because he used to purchase slaves in order to free them, not to sell them. However, the author of the pamphlet mistranslates Ibn Al-Qayyim when he says, “The Prophet used to rent out and hiring many slaves, but he hired more slaves then he rented out.” The author has mischievously added the words “many slaves” and “more slaves” in the text. Ibn Al-Qayyim is not talking here about the sale, purchase, renting, and hiring of slaves, but about general business practices of the Prophet before he received the Prophethood. Actually, he is saying that “the Prophet himself was hired before he became the Prophet to take care of some sheep and he was hired by Khadijah to do business for her.” (see Zad Al-Ma’ad, vol. 1, p. 154)

The Qur’an teaches that freeing the salves is a great virtue (See Surah 90:13). One of the expenditures of zakah (obligatory charity) is to spend the money for the freedom of the slaves (surah 9:60). It is forbidden in Islam to enslave a free person. If Muslims had consistently followed the Islamic teachings in this regard, slavery would have become extinct a long time ago. It is unfortunate that some Muslims did not follow these teachings of Islam and slavery continued in Muslim lands for centuries. We are ashamed that some Muslims practiced slavery against the teachings of Islam. However, it is also a historical fact that for centuries the worst type of slavery in its most extensive and horrible form was practiced by those who claimed themselves to be the followers of Christ. They enslaved millions of free men, women, and children and shipped them like animals from one continent to another. They made millions in profit by this most shameful trade of human beings.

I wish to remind you of what Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” (Matthew 7:3-5)"

(Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503547546)

So let’s see the points made:

1) Slaves can NOT be forced into having sexual intercourse with

2) Slaves ARE automatically free after the masters death if they bare a child from the master

3) Slaves CAN ask to be freed, and become free , including they will get an amount of money to jump start in life.

So Islam destroyed the social illness called slavery, if you look at the proof open-mindedly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9cDJTVbQEc

parisbookaddict:
Interesting and yet they abolished slavery while under the kaffir rule of their lands..why didn't they do it earlier. Why was the Ottomon Empire trading slaves up until the 20th century before they were defeated by the west and kicked out by the Turks. ..

Interesting empiree...why is Qatar employing slave labor even till this day..google it.

And why didn't PAUL, MATHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN abolished slavery 600years before Muhammad was born? It wasn't in their best interest to do so.

FACTS:

*Did slavery or slave trades exist before prophet Muhammad(Allah's peace and blessings be upon him)? YES

*Did Jews and Christians preceded Muhammad? YES

*Did Jews and Christians have enough grace to abolish slavery before Muhammad? YES

*How many years? 600 years (six centuries)

*Did they abolish slavery within that period? NO

You can not deny these obvious facts. Any wonder why slavery is not recorded much in New Testament?. It's because writers deliberately left it out. How in the world slavery existed before Muhammad and during New Testament era and nothing recorded regarding slavery?. That's hell of culprits. Ancient Jews and Christians had 600 yrs to abolish slavery but Peter, Paul, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were busy fabricating stories about three-headed gods and left out slavery part.

You can't deny slavery existed between the demise of Jesus (peace be upon him) and advent of Muhammad(peace be upon him). Why did they leave out slave trade in NT?. Slavery recorded in the OT didn't just happen by accident. It happened because Jews, Christians and Pagan Arabs all traded slaves. If you deny this, I ask you why was this event not recorded in NT?. Are you saying Jesus was just sitting around and ignored like it didn't exist?

Ancient Jews and Christians waited for 600 yrs for arrival of Muhammad to abolish what they started. Muhammad was sent to the whole world (of seen and unseen, living and non living things, animals and plants etc). And he delivered the message within 23 yrs period and at the same time had to deal with the mess created Jews and Christians of old.

But MATHEW, MARK, LUKE AND JOHN are not prophets sent by God. They had no job to do. So why did they not talk about slavery?. Why all of a sudden NT barely gives reference to slavery?. So why are you saying Christianity has nothing to do with slavery. That's false. And now you want to blame prophet Muhammad?.

European Christians of course did not start slavery but they pursued the same agenda in different fashion (i:e through secularism) but same agenda of Christians of old. They too quoted Bible at some point during their dirty business. And all the Arab and Muslim countries you mentioned earlier that were forced to end slavery, they themselves were under colonialism of European christian slave traders and masters. They were not independent.

The real reason Paul, Peter, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John made little or no reference to slavery in New Testament was because Old Testament was used to achieve their christiandom, christian civilization etc. They massacred and destroyed primitive people to get to the top. After they achieved everything they wanted, they now claimed their God is now peaceful. That He has renounced violence. That same God now transformed to three headed-god and he's peaceful and loving in New Testament. That's bu'llshit if you ask me.

But in the Old Testament, he is violent, detroyer, He was just killing men, women and children. He killed killed killed and killed and intimidated people. He then went for rehab and came out smiling, loving, caring, "no more crusade" bla bla bla after he already achieved everything by violence. And almost everything about his violence past barely recorded in New Testament. In Old Testament, he had swords of Achilles, shield and armor and wore 'abaya'. He rode on camels and horses. After he came out from rehab as "nonviolence", he now rides on BMW, he puts on suit and tie and declared "no more crusade" after he already destroyed people's lives. And now he wants Muhammad to deal with the mess he created. Nonsense!

^ Natay has been lying for donkey years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO3vGmbWecI

parisbookaddict:
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww....disgusting..
[s]What's my business with a slave trading arab pedophile sex addict mass murderer..
Ur standards on prophethood is quite low..besides ahmediyya is ur final prophet in Islam not mooHARMmad[/s]

Shut up already. I know you are frustrated. Ahmadiyah?. you sound so desperate

parisbookaddict:
Now let's see when Muslim majority countries decided to ban slavery


1952: Qatar abolishes slavery.
1958: Bhutan abolishes slavery.
1960: Niger abolishes slavery (though it was not made illegal until 2003).[83]
1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery.
1962: Yemen abolishes slavery.
1964: The United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery.
1970: Oman abolishes slavery.
1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery
2003: Niger makes slavery a crime.
2007: Mauritania makes slavery a crime.
Muslim countries are the last ones to abolish slavery..

Those countries you mentioned above were themselves under christian colonial masters. They had no independence. Let's see when they were emancipated by christian slave masters:

1952: Qatar abolishes slavery. Gained freedom from christian slave masters 3 September 1971 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar

1960: Niger abolishes slavery. Gained freedom from christian slave masters 3 August 1960
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger

1962: Yemen Gained freedom from christian slave masters 30 November 1967

1964: The United Arab Emirates Gained freedom from christian slave masters 2 December 1971

1970: Oman Gained freedom from christian slave masters 1960

1981: Mauritania Gained freedom from christian slave masters 28 November 1960

So what much could they do decades before their independence?. They themselves were under slavery of christian slave masters. So what are you talking about.

Ancient Jews and Christians did not abolish slavery. Why didnt they abolish slavery before prophet Muhammad was born?.

parisbookaddict:

Christains have fought agaisnt slavery where ever it was met..
The pope abolished slavery as far back as in 1435: In Sicut Dudum, Pope Eugene IV banned enslavement of Christians in the Canary Islands on pain of excommunication

In 1537: Pope Paul III forbids slavery of the indigenous peoples of the Americas as well as of any other new population that would be discovered, indicating their right to freedom and property. However, only Catholic countries apply it, and state that they cannot possibly enforce what happens in the distant colonies

^If they abolished slavery back then, why did they give most of these Arab countries freedom in 20th century.
https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist/5

parisbookaddict:
So u do agree that sahih muslim and bukhari are nonsense fabrications of the deeds of Mohammed including his alleged splitting of the moon "miracle"..and camel pass cure etc..remember these are the 2 best hadiths. .

Are these fabrications and do u reject it?

This is really your opinion. Hadiths are graded and what I believe is none of your business. And no, i don't reject Imam Muslim and Imam Bukhari. If i believe prophet muhammad (saw) slit the moon is still none of your business. At least Qur'an makes reference to it and Muslims have different opinion about it. Qur'anic verse 54:1-2 http://quran.com/54/1-2 . Quran is our standard by which everything else is graded including all your Bibles. So possibility of "splitting of the moon" could be very valid.

On camel piss for curing ailment, oh you feel disgusted?. Do you have idea what pharmaceutical drugs you take are made of?. Let me start from...

*Premarin: What is Premarin?

Premarin stands for P[/b]regnant [b]M[/b]ares' [b]U[/b]rine ([b]PRE[/b]gnant [b]MAR[/b]es' ur[b]IN[/b]e). It is a drug made up of conjugated estrogens obtained from the urine of pregnant mares -- put out in many forms (pills, creams, injections, patches, vaginal rings) and is used to reduce the symptoms of menopause in women or women who have had a hysterectomy. It is also prescribed to nearly eliminate the risk of osteoporosis (the brittling of bones) and reduce the chance of heart disease in women over 50.

[b]*Catgut: Is a tough string made from the intestines of sheep and horses. It's used for surgical sutures.

Animal-Derived Pharmaceuticals

Preparations: Derived from animal products

Pig-derived products, Desiccated, Thyroid Heparin (pig Intestine), Pancreatic enzymes, Horse (pregnant mares urine) Premarin Animal cartilage Gelatin capsules or gummy vitamins Chondroitin
Animal bones Calcium Animal blood Heme iron (Proferrin) Shellfish Glucosamine Omega-3 Fatty Acids (fish oil) Calcium (oyster shells) Sheep (Sebaceous Gland extract) Lanolin Vitamin D3
http://www.fpnotebook.com/Pharm/Adverse/AnmlDrvdPhrmctcls.htm

How would you even know if they mixed human feces with panadol?. Or you want me to tell you about a client I worked with for good 5yrs?. He's a bed-bound patient and has to be mechanically transferred to wheelchair. Because of that, he has pressure ulcers all the time on both buttocks. His big wound is as big as 400g Milo lid and 5 inches deep. There is no way to heal that as long as he sits in the power chair.

Anytime he was brought to our office, surgeon always recommended surgical operations on him, I personally would clean his wound in most cases. My point is when we performed operations on him, surgeon always borrowed meat from his biceps femoris to fill up his buttocks wounds. At least we had 7-8 surgeries on him in 5 yrs. His last last two surgeries could not be accomplished using same procedure. Doctor had to use pork meat to fill up the wounds. This is what they called "plastic surgery". So what the big deal with recommendation in the hadith of using camel urine. Of-course we not gonna literally drink urine in modern time.

^ She will come to tell you "it's OT". I am telling you, she's a loser, defeatist and loner.

^Then after this simple yet precise post on her request, and she's still adamant, then she has serious comprehension problem.

I believe she will be humbled soon and perhaps embrace the last and final messanger, Muhammad ibn Abdulllah ( sallalahu alay wasalam). And the final. Testament, Al-Qur'an.

tola9ja:
Proverbs 26:4-5Revised Standard Version (RSV)

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly,
lest you be like him yourself.

You see, madam Abakaliki is frustrated. You don't need PhD in psychology to figure out from her long winded post she is confused and frustrated. She is trying to link Islam with polytheism by any means necessary. But "ODESHI"........

She is basically trying hard to bait you. Like you rightly quoted, she deserves to be ignored.

hotmas911:
yes and no. It all depends on the operator. The most important thing is not to rake the top soil away.

hum. ok... learning. So if "top soil" is raked. what happens?

johnydon22:
[size=20] ok wait a minute .. So parisbookaddict is really ifeann? Hey what happened naa? [/size]

What happened? She was actually sent to hell fire by empire where she belonged but she ressurected after Mathew, Mark, Luke and john reincarnated her & transformed her to parisbookaddict. She was not banned because of freedom of expression. She was banned ONLY after empire trashed her religious forefathers. But when she was accusing our prophet she was not banned.

In her world, freedom of speeh is attacking other religion in the name of "knowing everything". She also tried to censored muslims by constantly used the word "lie" "taqqiya" in abscence of proper conterclaims to our refutations. She also lied about reliwayne01.

Remember her primary mission according to her was to teach muslims and lazy christian audience what islam is but she was met with strong resistance before being sent to hell. So mission #1 failed.

Now she's under "addict" seeking only non-muslim audience. Look into her profile. This proved that her first mission failed woefully. Now this second mission will fail too. As you can see on this thread non-muslims fired at her really bad. In another word, SHE IS CRUSHED. If she crosses my line again, my intention is to get non-muslims and her buddies, the fanatics to turn against her. #2ndMISSION FAILED

AFTER THAT SHE WILL BE ALONE. Then I will now completely trash her man-god with 3 heads who supposedly should "all powerful" but his $ss was nailed by fanatic jews on the cross. That's what she wants us to worship. A 3-headed god. That's pure polytheism.

I dont think my contribution is neccessary here again. Many have refuted the devils aka parisbookaddict=ifeann from ABAKALIKI and her husband malvisguy212 from Ezeagu and her prostitute husband pastorkun from Isi Uzo who hides behind her skirt.

My only contribution (if I have to) should only be to send her packing......TO HELL. Where she belongs. God Is Greatest

parisbookaddict:
Ifeann was banned since.. u need to keep up man..

#yeyelady. You dont know what it means by sending you to hell on nairaland?. It means exactly the pictures you posted. HELL=BAN or silent.......FOREVER!

9jaforlife:
Parisbookaddict aka Ifeann aka Male aka Female aka Proud Black aka White Woman, does it look like I didn't read the original post

Of course this is your strategy, I know you too well. When your hate post has been adequately discredited, you go into that r*etarded mode, and you start to talk out of context. Despite the fact that I didn't want to chat with you on our last meeting, you kept pestering me, but when I asked you a question that could expose your deceits, you cunningly refused to answer my questions and disappeared (I mean in your other life as Ifeann, before your reincarnation as parisbookaddict ). You begged me to stop quoting you and you came here to do exactly that. Well, God will continue to expose you!

I dey gbadun this one. empire sent ifeann to hell....after a while pauline, peter and james reincarnated her. Soon she will be sent back where she belongs and she will end up opening 20 monikers

@hotmas911, are you saying the use of bulldozer to clear farmland is detrimental to the soil...? I dont quiet understand that. How?

parisbookaddict:
As always he turns to insults to defend his faith. .

I actually ignore him these days since he has shown to be childish and rude in conversations.

I honestly dont care what you say. Anytime you need exist strategy you start calling me liar, taqqiya in order to silence me. That i will not take from you. Now you know who empire is. Empiree also knows who ifeann is. So stop pretending like you are a saint.

As for you pastorkun, keep hiding lady's skirt. I already defeated your other brothers who came out openly. If you have no reasonable counterclaim here go and bury your head in the sand. Fair enough?

But you are a coward. Man of the house should be at the forefront not behind woman.

true2god:
Are you not tired of defending lies and the atrocities of the Islamic prophet?

Can the arabs apologize for enslaving the blacks without, directly or indirectly, indicting your prophet? Na wa for you ooo.

Go back and sink your head in the sand if you have no reasonable counterclaims. I know you will call me liar since that's your exist strategy.

parisbookaddict:
[size=3pt]So u do agree that sahih muslim and bukhari are nonsense fabrications of the deeds of Mohammed including his alleged splitting of the moon "miracle"..and camel pass cure etc..remember these are the 2 best hadiths. .

Are these fabrications and do u reject it?[/size]

You getting sick in head now

parisbookaddict:
I wonder whose bu.tt u have been kicking...u are quite deluded...

, this is strange...are u now a hadith rejecter or. .did u say the story as contained in your hadiths are fabricated nonsense...oh goodness... u are quite confused my friend. ..

U are a defender of the hadiths and have even created a thread where u berated usermane question01 for rejecting the hadiths.. click the link to refresh ur memory..
And see my pic below where u call usermane a troubled quranist for rejecting the hadiths as fabrications and nonsense. ..

We base our religion on the standard of Quran not fabricated nonsense written about him.

How's that rejection?. Do you understand english?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Instructions on having sex with female slaves is what? Anti-slavery?

Lol, i knew you would say that. That's my next task cus i know you don't understand