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[quote author=Ifeann post=31316872]I tot u will run and copy and paste nonsense from Islamic sites...this is a good point..I won't bother to cross check ur translations hoping u won't use al taqiyyah. .

However u fail to note that Christ came to serve. U Muslims don't understand Christ's incredible humility. .

Not that the king james version doesnt use the word serve but clearly acknowledges the sonship of Christ

However the other translations updated to our current use of English acknowledges that serve is the most appropriate word and yet they clearly acknowledge the sonship of Christ. .

Mathew 20:28

King James Bible
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

International Standard Version
That's the way it is with the Son of Man. He did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people."


New International Version
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

New Living Translation
For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve others and to give his life as a ransom for many."



Here are parallel verses from Mark10: 45


King James Bible
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life--a ransom for many."

International Standard Version
because even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people."

So understand we christains understand that as the son of man he came to serve and he experienced what we experience and conquered.

[s]He is also referred to as son of God in dozens of verses..here are 3 examples..[/s]

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Luke 1:35 - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

9jaforlife:
These people are the worst of oppressors! May Allah expose and judge them accordingly

Ahmadjr:
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Take a look at Ill conduct.
Now with regards to ur story, is seeking for knowledge (d wife's alledged offence according to d monstrous husband) an ill conduct? I believe u're aware that d Qura'n commands muslims to seek knowledge (which is what d wife was doing), so looking at this u see that d husband cared less about what Islam has to say and only committed that act out of his selfish reasons. So I don't see hw this verse supports his action.
So pls stop trying to pin his action on Religion!
...
And in her commments I don't see where she blamed her husband's act on Islam....all I see is you doing just that.

malvisguy212:
provide verse from the quran that say the bible is corrupted instead you quote the hadith.

Ifeann:
I would always suggest people go for the KJV and good news versions. . Learn everything that is authentically translated .

maclatunji:
Yes bro.

richol:
A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG FOOL HE IS

malvisguy212:
Empire. Rilwayn say the men that wrote the hadith are not eyewitness, so it not a reliable evidence that the bible is corrupted.

[size=3pt]The 66 book and the rest you paste are nothing but division in doctrine .did you read my post on the book of job? What about the manuscript of the quran?
There are over 5,600 early Greek
Manuscripts of the New Testament that
are still in existence.

Printing greatly aided the
transmission of the biblical texts.
1456 A.D. Gutenberg produced the first
printed Bible in Latin. Printing
revolutionized the way books were
made. From now on books could be
published in great numbers and at a
lower cost.
1514 A.D. The Greek New Testament
was printed for the first time by
Erasmus. He based his Greek New
Testament from only five Greek
manuscripts, the oldest of which dated
only as far back as the twelfth century.
With minor revisions, Erasmus' Greek
New Testament came to be known as
the Textus Receptus or the "received
texts."
1522 A. D. Polyglot Bible was
published. The Old Testament was in
Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin and
the New Testament in Latin and Greek.
Erasmus used the Polyglot to revise
later editions of his New Testament.
Tyndale made use of the Polyglot in his
translation on the Old Testament into
English which he did not complete
because he was martyred in 1534.
1611 A.D. The King James Version into
English from the original Hebrew and
Greek. The King James translators of
the New Testament used the Textus
Receptus as the basis for their
translations.
1968 A.D. The United Bible Societies
4th Edition of the Greek New
Testament . This Greek New Testament
made use of the oldest Greek
manuscripts which date from 175 A.D.
This was the Greek New Testament text
from which the NASV and the NIV were
translated.
1971 A.D. The New American Standard
Version (NASV) was published. It makes
use of the wealth of much older
Hebrew and Greek manuscripts now
available that weren't available at the
time of the translation of the KJV. Its
wording and sentence structure closely
follow the Greek in more of a word for
word style.
1983 A.D. The New International
Version (NIV) was published. It also
made use of the oldest manuscript
evidence. It is more of a "thought-for-
thought" translation and reads more
easily than the NASV.
As an example of the contrast
between word-for-word and
thought-for-thought translations,
notice below the translation of the
Greek word "hagios-holy"
NASV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high
priest enters the holy place year by
year with blood not his own."
NIV Hebrews 9:25. "...the high priest
enters the Most Holy Place every
year with blood that is not his own."
The NIV supplies "understood"
information about the Day of
Atonement, namely that the high
priest's duties took place in the
compartment of the temple known
specifically as the Most Holy Place.
Note that the NASV simply says "holy
place" reflecting the more literal
translation of "hagios.[/size]"

Ifeann:
Create the topics.. we shall discuss ur issues and misunderstandings..

Ifeann:
[s]I am not going to waste time correcting u again but I want to draw ur attention to the difference in numbers

Catholic 73 and Sola scriptural adherents 66..this difference is found in the old testament books and not the new testament. . Both Catholic and protestant agree on the books of the new testament which is 27.. we christains are under the new convent as I often remind u Muslims. .Christ's Gospel isfound in the NT...

Again u pointed out that pastorkun and co doesn't believe in the trinity..I have already commented on this..being a christain means accepting Christ ..be baptised and fellow Christ's teachings. Love thy neighbor, etc. .every other thing is peripheral. .
Have I every told u that shi'a or ahmediyya do this and that and u sunnis should see that as a reason to renounce ur believe/sunni doctrine. Hope u see the analogy... it's bad logic ..

If u say my statement agrees with ur quran then I won't be wasting more time with u..U clearly took the comment out of context... I clearly said ur quran is WRONG IN THE WORDSHIP OF MUHAMMAD'S MOON GOD...[/s]

Rilwayne001:
Nice one empire.

Ifeann post=31307548]

U are always quick to say u win arguments and the other is defeated. .lol..ur childishness is amusing. .

Anyway I want to remind u that the quran says only one god deserve worship.. yes one God deserves worship but it is YHWH...God the Father, son and his holy pirit... not mohammeds god of the quran which contradicts himself and the teachings of the bible

PastorKun:
You are a real dunce, where have you ever seen me support the trinity doctrine

So u see.. on the surface I agree

but in principle ur quran is wrong..

Yes people have tried to deliberately mistranslated the bible I made that clear eg the JH. .but they will always fail..the Qur'an has also tried to decieve christains in a similar way and has failed for centuries. .

Yes there are good kiddie versions of the bible that uses pictures and language that makes it easy for kids to understand the bible message. Unlike the quran u Muslims force ur kids to recite in 7th century classical arabic which few muslims understand on any level..

And finally..yes I recommend reading the Bible in Catholic and protestant versions ie good news and KJV. .

[s]And finally notice christains don't kill each other for these disagreements in translations or doctrine unlike u Muslims who butcher each other for trivialities.[/s] Peace

Its translations ...the different versions are translations. .it's similar to the different translations u have of the quran. Eg. Pickthall, Yusuf Ali, Al-Hilali/Khan, Malik, Shakir, Sher Ali, Khalifa, Daryabadi, Asad etc
But there is a difference. .Read on..

I would always suggest people go for the KJV and good news versions. . Learn everything that is authentically translated .

It is important to note that Christianity is also attacked from bible versions ... for example the heretical Jehovah witness have their translation where they deliberately distort the translation. .I have seen this myself. .

Children and teen versions make the bible more captivating for kids as it contains pics and imagery etc..

A lot of translations are unnecessary but some are neccessary since the Eglish language changes with time eg.. we used to use words like ye, thou, thus, thy, thee but these aren't used any more..

[quote author=Ifeann post=31305965]Malvisguy pointed out that , "

The Bible was written under the
inspiration of the Holy Spirit by over 40
different authors from all walks of life:
shepherds, farmers, tent-makers,
physicians, fishermen, priests,
philosophers and kings. Despite these
differences in occupation and the span
of years it took to write it, the Bible is an
extremely cohesive and unified book."

In contrast
The quran is recited by one author Mohammed aka the fraud ...and yet it is filled with scientific fallacies , false prophesies, historical errors, contradictions and abrogation. . Infact this should be the subject of my next topic...

Ifeann:
Excellent post.. maybe this should be a topic so as to educate these muslims who claim the bible is corrupted and yet fail to show us the uncorrupted one

[size=5pt]malvisguy212:
The copy and paste is to long.I just have to do it.the points is this: when one read all what I paste you will discovered that the bible that was used EVEN before the muhammed was born is still the one of today.When Islam began in the 6th century, 600 years after Jesus Christ, the Bible was accepted as true.
So, you might ask, has the Bible changed
since the 6th century? No. All you have to do is compare today's Bible with a Bible written long ago.
We can find complete Bibles, all the way
back to 300 A.D., hundreds of years
before the Quran. You can find one in
the London Museum, in the Vatican, and many other places. If you compare
today's Bible with the Bibles of 300 A.D.,
the Bible we have today is the same as
then.satan is manipulating the word of God and we can see it here, the op is the evidence. May God guide us all in Jesus name. Amen. I am signing off here.[/size]

true2god:
[s]You are an al-taqiyya artist. In a national forum like this, you attached an audio message in yoruba language with the believ that one one will take time to analyse it.

Why is arab-muslims murderous and yoruba muslims are not? Answer the question bros.[/s]

PastorKun:
You are a real dunce, where have you ever seen me support the trinity doctrine

That's there problem, my salvation is not dependent on their unbiblical beliefs.

malvisguy212:
[size=4pt]1.believing in the bible don't make you child of God even the devil believe in Jesus.
2.rilwayn say someone who is not an eyewitness has no right to compel a holy book, you quote the hadith to prove to me the bible is corrupted,the writer of the hadith is not a eyewitness,according to rilwyn we will not trust it.
3.the quran made it clear that the injil and the torah are WRITTEN document,if it not written then how will the people be able to observed the law ?how will it possible that all copies be vanished without anyone holding the original?
4.you said it was not necessary the earlier scripture been preserved but the quran say other wise;The Quran makes this claim:" Verily, we have sent down the Reminder, and, verily, we will guard it. Q15:9"the remander is the scripture
And Allah promise to guide it.
5.jerimaih was not talking about the scripture ,it was talking about the law.[/size]

true2god:
Thanks for this break-down and your time doing the analysis.

[s]Empire is a fake muslim, because yoruba muslim is regarded fake (or to close to christianity)[/s].

Yareey:
How did I misread this? You make it sound that there is no other way then polygamy.

Ifeann:
I won't explain the old testament verses for 3 reasons

1. It requires understanding of the inner and historical context as well as symbolic context and theology. .Muslims and atheists seem to not understand it no matter how it is explained

But I will address the new testament verses
[size=5pt]Matthew 10:34-35
King James Version (KJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

U didnt quote the verse 34 with 35 because it explains the proper context. Most atheists and Muslims avoid 35.
This is one of the verses Christ tells believers what to expect if we decide to follow him. And it is actually happening.
Muslims kill their family members if a member decides to leave Islam and become Christians, its in their sh'aria law. You know of the case in Sudan where a man reported his own sister for being a christain and she was sentenced to death. But as God would have it she is alive and well in the USA today. Even in Nigeria, in the time of the missionaries fathers disowned sons who abandoned serving their traditional deity and went to church. Even communists killed whole families for their believe in Christ. The use of the word "sword" is clearly a metaphor. And just as the verse proclaimed their is no peace on earth because the kingdom is yet to come.[/size]

author=malvisguy212 post=31278431]the gospel/injil is corrupted and they supported it with quranic verse, but in the days of muhammed ,he accepted the gospel as the word of God

and Allah ask the muslims to MAKE confirmation in the scripture and injil,why will Allah ask them to make confirmation on a corrupted book?he vow to guide his word, meaning the scripture and injil which muslims claimed is corrupted is the WORD of Allah, dosent this mean Allah fail to guide his word as promise in the quran?

The same quran that Allah ask the Muslims to confirmed the truth in the scripture say the same scripture is corrupted. [s]It is either Allah or muhammed is confused.[/s]