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rhemakid1: about having Christ I meant having Him as ur personal Lord and saviour, well i see that might not really go well with you as that is against your blv ..
I see that the main difference between Islam and Christianity is how they view Christ.

truth is am new on NL, doh been a guest for a while, so I m actually afraid of being rly sincere and maybe blunt in the page due to threats of being banned..that's y my topic was so neutral

I ll b rly only open if u can assure of being Free from ban

Bold contradicts Oneness of God in both Torah, Gospel and Qur'an. Not acceptable as in saying Jesus is God and to be worshiped. But savior and lord literally apply to other prophets and messangers of God as well, since they came to save us from hell by delivering the message from God. I am not going to drag into such debate. There are NL threads on that topic.

Mod will not ban you if you do not result to insult or blasphemy. So far, you are okay. But i am not the one to guarantee ban or no ban. Mod may warn you first if he notices your intention of this thread is not sincere.

Read my responses in blue.

rhemakid1: Wow I see we do have a lot of Islamic scholars here,
No, we are not. We are dudes.

what is my assurance for 'salvation' (permit me for using the Christian term) after believing in Allah and his servants and doing good deeds and works? In another word what is the YARDSTICK for me to know quite assuredly (measure) that am going to paradise after serving him diligently knowing fully well that m a sinful man just trying to live an upright life , but can't be so perfect in it?
[b]What is required of us human is to worship God alone and do not associate partners with Him and do good deeds. This is "assurance". On the other hand, no one can possibly know for sure his or her final abode. It is not wise to say 'i will go to paradise' even you sincerely worship God alone and do good deeds. Only God Almighty has final clue. But Quran says that anyone who worships God alone and do good deeds, whether male or female, his or her destination is paradise. If a muslim does the above and dies in it stands 99.99% chance of paradise. That's the assurance. That is, you have tawheed (you worship God alone and you call none else God until you die). Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessing be upon him) thought us that salvation in islam is that we worship God alone and not His creation. If someone says he believes in God alone or claims to be muslim but he/she does not worship till he/she dies, his saying that he believes in God alone is not sufficient. In conclusion, if a muslim worships God sincerely and do good deeds sincerely, it is still by God's Mercy and Grace he or she enters paradise. Compared to someone who doesnt worship God or worships something else besides God and whether he or she does good deeds or not, stands .01% of entering paradise[/b]

If u still don't get my question well, let me put it plainly..
In Christianity we bliv once you have Christ you r saved, in Islam we blv once u blv in Allah and do good deeds u r saved? But how much good deeds can I do in a lifetime that ll surpass my bad deeds in this sinful world, cos me no quite well that my good deeds might not be enough

What do you mean by (if someone has Jesus)?. Do you mean believing him as God's sent or God himself to be worshiped?. Clarify that first, please. It's deception for someone to claim once he has Jesus will be saved. That's fallacy. If someone has Jesus (Allah's blessing be upon him) but commits sins and crimes, paradise is no no my friend. Worshiping Jesus, that alone takes one to opposite of paradise. Unlike in Islam, Quran stresses the believe in God and worship of Him alone and do righteous good deeds. You see this in Quran multiple times.

And secondly this good deeds does it refer to my association with others alone or also with my own body?

'Good deeds' entail, mandatory worship of God alone, additional or supererogatory prayer, feed the poor, be nice and gentle to everyone including neighbors, take care of orphans, do not oppress and do not be oppressed, not be arrogant, walk gently on earth, do not bear false witness, protect your private part, stay away from stealing, cheating, lying, killing, drugging, be good to your wife and children, parents and family and be sincere and not showing off while doing good deeds. These are just few of good deeds

Everyone is scared of dying and rightly so. The uncertainty of what lies beyond is frightening. It may be that of all religions, Islam, provides the most graphic details of what comes after death and lies beyond. Islam views death to be a natural threshold to the next stage of existence.

Islamic doctrine holds that human existence continues after the death of the human body in the form of spiritual and physical resurrection. There is a direct relation between conduct on earth and the life beyond. The afterlife will be one of rewards and punishments which is commensurate with earthly conduct. A Day will come when God will resurrect and gather the first and the last of His creation and judge everyone justly. People will enter their final abode, Hell or Paradise. Faith in life after death urges us to do right and to stay away from sin. In this life we sometimes see the pious suffer and the impious enjoy. All shall be judged one day and justice will be served.

Faith in life after death is one of the six fundamental beliefs required of a Muslim to complete his faith. Rejecting it renders all other beliefs meaningless. Think of a child who does not put his hand in fire. He does not do so because he is sure it will burn. When it comes to doing school work, the same child may feel lazy because he does not quite understand what a sound education will do for his future. Now, think of a man who does not believe in the Day of Judgment. Would he consider belief in God and a life driven by his belief in God to be of any consequence? To him, neither obedience to God is of use, nor is disobedience of any harm. How, then, can he live a God-conscious life? What incentive would he have to suffer the trials of life with patience and avoid overindulgence in worldly pleasures? And if a man does not follow the way of God, then what use is his belief in God, if he has any? The acceptance or rejection of life after death is perhaps the greatest factor in determining the course of an individual’s life.

The dead have a continued and conscious existence of a kind in the grave. Muslims believe that, upon dieing, a person enters an intermediate phase of life between death and resurrection. Many events take place in this new “world”, such as the “trial” of the grave, where everyone will be questioned by angels about their religion, prophet, and Lord. The grave is a garden of paradise or a pit of hell; angels of mercy visit the souls of believers and angels of punishment come for the unbelievers.

Resurrection will be preceded by the end of the world. God will command a magnificent angel to blow the Horn. At its first blowing, all the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth will fall unconscious, except those spared by God. The earth will be flattened, the mountains turned into dust, the sky will crack, planets will be dispersed, and the graves overturned.

People will be resurrected into their original physical bodies from their graves, thereby entering the third and final phase of life. The Horn will blow again upon which people will rise up from their graves, resurrected!

God will gather all humans, believers and the impious, jinns, demons, even wild animals. It will be a universal gathering. The angels will drive all human beings naked, uncircumcised, and bare-footed to the Great Plain of Gathering. People will stand in wait for judgment and humanity will sweat in agony. The righteous will be sheltered under the shade of God’s Magnificent Throne.

When the condition becomes unbearable, people will request the prophets and the messengers to intercede with God on their behalf to save them from distress.

The balances will be set and the deeds of men will be weighed. Disclosure of the Records of the deeds performed in this life will follow. The one who will receive his record in his right hand will have an easy reckoning. He will happily return to his family. However, the person who will receive his record in his left hand would wish he were dead as he will be thrown into the Fire. He will be full of regrets and will wish that he were not handed his Record or he had not known it.

Then God will judge His creation. They will be reminded and informed of their good deeds and sins. The faithful will acknowledge their failings and be forgiven. The disbelievers will have no good deeds to declare because an unbeliever is rewarded for them in this life. Some scholars are of the opinion that the punishment of an unbeliever may be reduced in lieu of his good deeds, except the punishment of the great sin of disbelief.

The Siraat is a bridge that will be established over Hell extending to Paradise. Anyone who is steadfast on God’s religion in this life will find it easy to pass it.

Paradise and Hell will be the final dwelling places for the faithful and the damned after the Last Judgment. They are real and eternal. The bliss of the people of Paradise shall never end and the punishment of unbelievers condemned to Hell shall never cease. Unlike a pass-fail system in some other belief-systems, the Islamic view is more sophisticated and conveys a higher level of divine justice. This can be seen in two ways. First, some believers may suffer in Hell for unrepented, cardinal sins. Second, both Paradise and Hell have levels.

Paradise is the eternal garden of physical pleasures and spiritual delights. Suffering will be absent and bodily desires will be satisfied. All wishes will be met. Palaces, servants, riches, streams of wine, milk and honey, pleasant fragrances, soothing voices, pure partners for intimacy; a person will never get bored or have enough!

The greatest bliss, though, will be the vision of their Lord of which the unbelievers will be deprived.

Hell is an infernal place of punishment for unbelievers and purification for sinful believers. Torture and punishment for the body and the soul, burning by fire, boiling water to drink, scalding food to eat, chains, and choking columns of fire. Unbelievers will be eternally damned to it, whereas sinful believers will eventually be taken out of Hell and enter Paradise.

Paradise is for those who worshiped God alone, believed and followed their prophet, and lived moral lives according to the teachings of scripture.

Hell will be the final dwelling place of those who denied God, worshiped other beings besides God, rejected the call of the prophets, and lead sinful, unrepentant lives.

@ rhemakid1, we can keep it very simple. It's not complicated at all. Forget about garbage written by malvisguy212 . To answer your question, we first of all believe there is ONLY one God called Allah in the Arabic Quran. We believe that God almighty has no partner nor son. Therefore, Jesus the son of Mary is not God or son. He's simply human being born of woman. In reference to this, Quran says in Chapter 112 verses 1-4 (Sahih International)

"Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
This chapter emphasized tawheed (Oneness of God). That is, we must not ascribe partners to God. This is the first commandment revealed to all prophets and messengers of God. Violators are condemned eternally. No chance of getting out of Hell. That is, this is one sin unforgivable.

On tawhid or tawheed, Oneoness of God, which means we mankind and Jinkind are commanded to worship none but God alone. Services, Sacrifices, Adoration, Praises, Glorification are all for almighty God alone. We can not call any human being like Jesus, cleric, Pope etc God. He (God) alone is the Owner of universe. He alone is the Only Controller of the world. To Him alone judgement is due and He sees all things.

usermane: It(video) is not relevant to the topic. I post for you hadith motivating ISIS and you give me videos implicating Western colonialists? Am i a western agent?

YES! YES! YES! . [size=5pt]who do you work for?[/size]

^^^
Yup, you gotta back down on this. There is master plan ongoing to destabilize everything. It's no conspiracy theory. They're obsessed with the ME.

Usermane, you have any word on this?. Can you interpret what this man is saying?. Matter of fact, there are other versions in another interviews of this videos now taken off YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw. I know exactly what you trying to do but it will not work. I may have my own way of criticizing certain sect or group, [size=5pt](bcus of their foolishness playing perfectly at the hands of Zionists[/size]) but not condemning the whole body of the Ummah as you attempt to do. The fact is this a long anticipated Syrian invasion by secular West or Judeo-christian terrorist alliance is now playing out. But in order to deceive mankind, they would have to create their bogus caliphate by hiring machineries and fools would join them. Dont even think for a second that all those idiots joining the crazy wagon are on their own. Among them are agent provocateurs sent by the Zionists. I do not have physical evidence. This is logical deduction. Only a matter of time.

That's perfect quote right there op for the fools. The verse is simply saying " Ti inu islam ba n bi yin to be ge, ke lo pokun so". Chai, word.

Exactly! Even in NY, there have been groups claiming to be Mahdi. The fact is when the true one comes, it will be as clear as sunshine

tbaba1234: ^ Or there are two black flags... duh!!

People trying to make themselves the fulfilment of a prophesy is not strange. However, when it happens, there will be no doubt.

^^^
Yep, it's past time for me. Doesnt mean im not talking sense. I deal with issues as we progress. I may choose to ignore certain topics if i want. Dont teach me anything about Ottoman. I know they have kro kro in their cupboard as well. The fact remains that these stages of caliphate is part and parcel of prophecy. There is hadith that talks about these stages up until establishement of true Caliphate upon prophetic guidance. In another word, it means something significant was wrong with previous caliphates. But that doesnt mean they are 100% bad.

I know what you meant by are they right or worng?. I know where you going with that. Ottoman itself collabo with British at some point. No question asked. This brings up subject of ilm akhir az-zaman. Yes, i read with lens and saw clearly the earlier quote was LagosShia's. But I chose to quote you instead bcus you are my buddy

rain rain go away, come again another months, spyder880 wants to build

Usermane: secondly, it was the wahhabis allied with the british that brought an end to the ottoman empire and the sunni caliphate. read about Lawrence of Arabia!

This alone should wake Muslims up, that house of Saud, whether they are called Wahabi-Salafi, are bogus. King Abdul Aziz collected 5000 British pound monthly to betray specific order of Allah in the Quran. When his people asked him why he did that and criticized him, Abdul Aziz said...>>
>>it's jizya ,
>>that he controls the British.
>>that 5000 pound sterling is meant to subdue them.

Alas! Mr. Abdul Aziz lied about this. Rather he formed alliance with the British which is forbidden in Surah Maida aya 51. That alliance is still there today. Westward alliance.

Saudi-Wahabi nation state will never create authentic caliphate. And believe it or not guys, house of Saud or Saudi-wahabi nation's state in coalition with judeo-christian terrorists alliance created isis for a purpose. All their campaign against the group is just a dust in our eyes. I do not neccessarily believe it poses a threat to the west or saudi. Thats propaganda as far as am i concern. What they want is what they getting now. Attention, to constantly portray islam as nemesis to the world. Make people turn away from the religion of truth. In that case, we have to look into hadith of Najd. There is a reason for these prophecies. Najd, the prophet said is "horn of shaitan". Saudi elites which rest her monopoly over hijaz and Haramain, all are from Najd. I dont know why some brothers here still support this evil kingdom. I can understand respecting them and carefully say things about them but in a situation like this, I think we should speak out.

On the other hand, the reason i cant publicly acknowledge Mr. Usermane on this is because he's completely out side the fold of mainstream Islam NOT mainstream orthodox as he likes to proclaim.

And when authentic kilafah arrives, house of Saud will be swept away. I thought Salafi brothers know this. Another thing to pay attention to is any time Israel attacks defenseless Palestine, Saudi is unmoved. They could only bickering. You think that's happening by accident?. Ever wonder why isis didnt attack Israel if they are truly authentic?. Guys, the same forces that created Saudi and guarantee her security is the same forces that created Israel and guarantee her security. So isis could only bluff but will never ever do anything that's is not on the script. So what we seeing on our tv screen daily about them is "hollysaudiwood". So usermane, remember i was talking about eschatology, isnt playing out right now?

Lastly, no matter criticism of them, we still gotta respect them one way or the other because they did some good stuff as well for the ummah at some point.

usermane: Good job, tit. There is no difference between the establishment of the saudi state and ISIS and Israel.

The same forces created them. Fact
@arsenalwenger, you need to zip it. Butt out of this thread pls. None of your business.

Internet is very funny, muslims are very funny as well. I have been noticing our attitudes (individual ideology) on NL. We muslims sometimes gang up on Christians because of our common creed. We sometimes gang up on atheists because of our common creed. And then ([size=5pt]a sectarian thread is posted[/size]) and Sunnis gang up against Shias. Then again, in the case of isis and the likes, Sunnis, Shias gang up on Sunnis(Saudi-wahabi-salafi nation state and their allies). Thereafter, everything calm down and all NL muslims come together and gang up against non-believers. That's some funny scenario

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Ultra-Orthodox Jews delay flight for New York to Israel because they do not want to sit next to women.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/26/ultra-orthodox-jews-delay-flight-refuse-to-sit-next-to-women/
Jews got some balls

AbdH: What happened here? Most of the comments are hidden.

A mad man, famous for creating different monikers posted pictures of n.a.k.e.d.n.es.s and he got me upset and i had to report him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH5RGkn1ylY

[quote author=007fightsback][/quote]this is inappropriate and I believe you should be banned any time your moniker is suspected. You should be banned for life from NL. This is very wrong and outrageous and I have reported you when i saw it. This is very wrong regardless of what you think. You have absolutely no respect. You are agent of fassad

dearestaramide, will be back here later. Jum'ah is busy. For now, start reciting ayat Qursiyu as much as you can

usermane: For 3, tbaba 's hadith is fabricated, weak, lacking reference and even the narrator is rejected by hadith scholars. Fabrication of hadith is still going on to this day. The whole stuff is an hoax. 'Abu bakr Al Baghdadi' is a code name.ISIS is a Salafi/Zionist plot drawn out of mainstream Islam Jihad ideology.

i agree with bold 100%. Isnt what i have telling you about eschatology analysis, but you said there is no proof for it?. Alliance btw Saudi/salafi nation's state and judeo-christian a k a Zionists began to end Ottoman caliphate. Same stupid alliance gave birth to isis. That's what i meant earlier. Such alliance is detested in sura maida ayah 51.
@ alleged hadith quoted by tbaba, how did you know it's fabricated or weak?. i thought you dont believe in hadith?. Well, i am not in position to verify the authenticity of the hadith but i do know that it is the perfect desciption of those mad dogs

[quote author=vedaxcool]So to you, Assad murdering innocents was better and would serve as a good preaching to the non - muslims?

No, I dont necessarily support Assad. Naturally, no govt in the world not even US would allow rebels to revolt against it. Compare Assad to those terrorists the West called free syrian army etc who are now isis, Assad was better.

so if you expected that the sunni Ulama should jump and insist that nothing should be done, then that would be untenable.

No, Sunni govt did nothing. Rather they allowed NGO to wreck havoc. They and Judeo-christian alliance (west) supported NGO terrorists to fight Assad.

The forces that rendered EU godless work for over a mellenia not decades, had Qadafi like Assad had the following options:
1. Kill those who oppose you or
2. Dialogue with them

Qaddafi was Sunni. His country men who murdered him were Sunnis and supported by Sunni govt and Judeo-christian. UAE instead dropped cheese on her fellow Sunni men (Qaddafi and co). UAE care less to dialogue. Rather, followed instructions from her masters to destroy her fellow Sunni country while supporting now isis but then called them "freedom fighters"

If the Arab countries had better armies they would long have ended the bloodshed in Syria, but the choose to be lackeys.

No, Arab countries have better armies (at least Qatar and Saudi) to face off against Assad. Maybe not as sophisticated as West. They dont need Judeo-christian alliance for that. Qatar, UAE etc have fighter jets that bombed her fellow Sunni, Qaddafi. Qatar and Saudi are more than enough to bring Assad to her kneels.

You never lived in Syria so you don't know what kind of life they were living!

True, but compare Assad to isis, Syrians would choose Assad

ISIS was able to grow to this extent because Assad deliberately left them to fight the saner people

No, isis grew to this point because they were funded, trained, strategized by Sunni govt and Judeo-Christians terrorists alliance forbidden in Surah Maida ayah 51. I cant believe you would say this. haba brother!

Criminals like Assad would do about anything to get where they want at any cost, as we have seen so far 100s of thousands of life means nothing,....

At some point, yes, Assad is bad. He's not perfect but better than isis tagged sunnis. I think we need to think pass "Sushi", this way we dont favor a sect. Thats the only way to see through. I am sunni but I dont involve in sectarian crap. It doesnt help a bit. Now called isis are the same bastards that murdered Christian Bishop, opened up his heart and ate it. They entered a mosque on Jummah while a respected Sunni sheik was giving sermons pleading to now isis to reconcile with Assad for Allah's sake. But what did they do?. They killed the Sheik while given khutba. And we had some muslims applauding them. Now everything blown out of proportion and we are in damn it. I am really upset right now.

tbaba1234: There was a kidnap,

Shekau is not yet dead..

BH controls about 25 towns still and have repelled all government attempts.

The fg is only winning the PR battle but I wish they can finally get rid of BH with work on the ground.

Just showed my uncle your post. He still insists he's gone but he said only what his wife told him.

@vedaxcool, i politely disagree with some of what you said with respect to Syria Assad. But i dont want to drag this.

Anyways, I am being told just now by a uncle that CAN is making effort to downplay $9.3m scandal with muslims supporting his innocence. How true can this be. Anyone with clue?. I learned that Muslims are printing placards in support for Ayo Oritsejafor's innocence. My uncle's wife who is a christian and work with Nigerian intelligent agency, and supporter of CAN even said Chibok story is simply false. She said NO GIRLS KIDNAPPED. So far, I believe her cus of her secret service background.

This kind of situations make people lose faith. Remember Europe used to be religious Christians (devout and practicing) but they are now "Christians" but in reality, they are essentially atheists after two wars (ww1 and 2). It was like Christians vs Christians and folks started questioning where is God.

Similarly, what's gong on in the middle east is pretty much the same thing with variation. I am afraid that atheism will emerge in the ME or people will just be "Muslims" but no sign of practicing in them. Right now, is like back to square one. Imagine preaching to convince a non Muslim for the last 10 years all through AQDA brouhaha and the person was getting close to becoming a Muslim and then it's isis. This non-Muslim asks is this Islam you want me to embrace?. This sounds like a perfect excuse in akhira because this non Muslim sees nothing but fitna coming from the Ummah we so much admire and he or she is confused.

I honestly wanted to refrain from blame game but cant resist. Who are the people behind these atrocities and what do they want?. In my opinion, apart from what tbaba posted up there, which perfectly describes the current situation, it is important to also note that I personally blame Ulama of the Sunni especially. I asked this question on youtube why all these outcries about isis? why didnt ulama condemn western power for empowering, providing weapons, money and strategies for those people; calling them moderate group, free syrian army, freedom fighters and everything now blown out of proportion and we screaming?. Why didnt Ulama around the world and especially those in the west condemn western politicians for arming these mujirimun?. Ulama of the Sunni supported whatever the West support. They against whatever the west again. This is real problem. If they had publicly condemned the west for supplying these criminals, non-Muslims would see things differently by now.

The same forces who rendered EU godless are still at work. In 2011, i used to be on FBook publicly denouncing support for the rebel by govt around the world. Some sisters from TN argued with me that Qaddafi was bad and he should be eradicated. I said no problem but when the rebels turn against you later, please dont start screaming terrorists. Exactly what happened when they killed ambassador Stephen. Truth be told, here on NL same thing happened few months ago when some brothers said nothing wrong with the West providing Syrian opposition weapons. I pretty much silent on the thread. Are we this shortsighted that we cant see isis coming?. I condemned uprising against Assad in the beginning when i saw western influence. But lots of people including respected Sheiks and those in the US, were talking about Assad is evil. No denying that but here we are today because of our foolishness. It's still silly for Muslims to form coalition with the west against isis. Both sides are not worthy of thanks. I cried waking up this morning thinking about current situation. And the media pretend as if muslims are not suffering from Western foreign policy and isis. They mostly focus on Christians persecution. Portraying these criminals as Sunnis. They are pure criminals. Olohun lo ma da ejo afeyin peran.

You see, the thing is they actually mean to call them IS. They are hypocrites pretending to sympathize with Muslims. I don't trust them for one second. IS was exactly what they wanted by using media to promote their agenda. The question still remains. why did Judeo- Christian alliance funded "IS" by calling them free Syrian army, freedom fighters, moderate group?. And suddenly they become Islamic state after given them weapons, money and strategy like Santa Claus and now pretending to "safe" the world from "nemesis" of Islam?. Ban ki moon, Obama and other politicians only taunting Islam. And why do many westerners joined the group. To me, this is a Hollywood script. But they plan and Allah also plan and Allah's plan is bound to prevail

Jazakallahu khayran

MacCantStopMe: No relationship. Nothing there. Yo just cant accept that there are liberal muslims.

Sorry, liberal interpretation of Islam doesnt hold water

MacCantStopMe: I did nothing wrong. I was innocent and was treated like a criminal.

hey brother, I really don't care if you did something. I don't and I don't think any Muslim here treat you criminally. and I don't care if you have 1000 usernames. nor do I take you seriously here. I just consider here for me as pastime. I have absolutely nothing negative about you other than we discuss a topic and we agree or disagree. that's it. I don't take anything personal here. okay?