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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 10:20am On Oct 10, 2019
BamideleScope:
cc woswobi , tenderlaw , Pijay

Morning Sirs,

please I have a question.

I applied for DSSC under Information Department (Television Production) but my degrees are in B.A Linguistics and PGD Computer Science.

I applied for Television Production because I currently work in a Television Station as an Editor. (note that the navy instruction was B.A in Television Production which I don't have but I have experience and In depth knowledge of Television Production because I currently work there).

Now my question is what are my chances, I was planning to reapply under ICT department ( because the requirement states Degree in Computer Science which I have). or I should place a call to the numbers on the registration information.




NOTE: I applied last year under Television Production too and I was shortlisted and wrote the exam but I didnt make it to the Board Interview stage so I don't really know if I will be considered based on my experience and not the qualifications (though both qualifications are still somehow related)


So, should i leave it or i Should reapply under ICT department.


Over to you my Ogas.
we have forensics linguistic as a branch
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 10:09am On Oct 10, 2019
ugo4u:

The shocking thing is that Bokoharam (Al-Barnawi faction) backed by ISIS now uses drone to carryout recon on our troops.
den d air task force need to activate a no fly zone for d whole borno
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:59pm On Oct 08, 2019
LexyJay02:


Our Doc. don look for Job tire, wan try Army as a consolation if e fit work. U go think say nah hin like army pass, he will say he's passionate, he's ready to leave his medical comfort and ready to give his life for what he believes in. He even said he tried to stop his brother from applying because he want to send him abroad to go study and enjoy life..... grin grin grin grin. Las Las, I still found our Doc for one scholarship thread on NL too, our Doc is looking for scholarship to Japa at least if work no come all these years.
I can relate our doctor Don apply medicine for jamb tire last last dem con givan biological science read him graduate.. Him con dey imagine say all him mate for Don be consultant now.. So me self na consultant grin

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:46pm On Oct 08, 2019
LexyJay02:


Our Man even told Ugo he's a consultant, he's waiting to hang Major straight grin

Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:43pm On Oct 08, 2019
grin
iamawara:
grin grin grin Dr na class rep for thread, be careful before he slap u oh.

Man wey nor know anything go come here dey make unnecessary statements and noice in the name is sarcasm'

Empty barrel
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:41pm On Oct 08, 2019
LexyJay02:


Lol... Our doctor is busy clearing his other posts on other unemployment threads....lolllllllz. I have screenshots already. Infact, our doctor dey collect 1k to help people review their CV as a way of holding body, till at least one job go click grin grin

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:37pm On Oct 08, 2019
LexyJay02:


Lol. The guy dey deceive himself con turn himself to terror here. Even our Man, UGO believed the so called Doctor. I have his confirmed name and everything. If he wants us to shake the table further I will drop evidences. Meanwhile, our doctor dey every job thread, he don apply tire. Nah hin dey see soldier for shoprite grin grin. Unemployment is a bastard ooooo grin grin
I wonder real doctors.. Don't have dat every seconds luzrey of coming online always.. wink
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 7:35pm On Oct 08, 2019
LexyJay02:
Las Las..... Someone claimed here he's so passionate, he's even a medical Doctor..... Lol. Las Las our self acclaimed doctor has been on nairaland unemployment threads for years and applying for every mumble jumble coming out. Las Las Nah unemployment dey motivate am. Why must you claim to be who you are not Funniest part, nah the guy terrorise guys pass for this thread.
grin
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 5:24pm On Oct 07, 2019
Jhennie:
Please oo

Who is this attestation letter addressed to??

The zonal enlistment officer
Nigerian Army

Or

The Chief of Army Staff,
Nigerian Army

Help!!!
these hw u address it below

Director of Military Secretary,
Army Headquarters,
Department of Military Secretary,
Mambilla Barracks,
Asokoro Abuja.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 1:13pm On Oct 07, 2019
AirmanB:
[Airforce DSSC to commence on d 22nd of OCt.

It seems Airforce also allow candidates to apply as DRC (instead of dssc n converting to DRC afterwards).
all na for medical personnel no room for other courses, drc is for consultant, Why dssc is for medical doctor and other profession allied to medicine no hope for other course embarassed
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 5:08pm On Oct 05, 2019
Codezz:
I am NN and I have hanged my midshipman.... any problem ?
OK no problem dat means ..to be army cadet is not fair since dey are ur senior spending five years and still both will still hang 1 pip.. Na wao

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 9:39pm On Oct 04, 2019
Codezz:
You people should manage and hang pip instead of this boko haram argument, You must test north east as far as you're going for NA.
ok nn no dey test north east,? By the way is it true nn and naf cadet would not be pip tomaro..but only rc /ssc army would hang pip, while nn and naf cadet would hang dier 1 pip after one year training from ur respective arms?
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 5:36pm On Oct 04, 2019
woswobi:


Let me say this once and for all, DO NOT CHASE AFTER PAST QUESTIONS. HELP YOURSELF, BUY GMAT AND PRACTICE. THAT IS THE STANDARD, HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
in addition to these the question is 100 to be answered in 1 hour, the breakdown of the questions are as follows
Section A :50 questions English
1.Comprehension ( question and answer)
2.passage(Register) I.e fill in the blank space
3 most nearly opposite in meaning to the bold word in the sentence
4.opposite in meaning to the bold word in the sentence
5.most nearest in meaning to the bold word in the sentence
6.from the option choose the world or statement that best represents the standard / British version of the underline word or expression
7. Choose the option that is nearest in meaning to the given word
8.Choose the option that is opposite in meaning to the given word
9. Fill in the blank space in the sentence with the most suitable word from the option given
Section B : Mathematics 20 question ( O level maths)
Section C: current Affairs 30questions

Note : calculator are not allowed
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 5:15pm On Oct 04, 2019
jelraj:


Thank u so much sir.. I think I will register with another email
Hope my application won’t be void cause I will be applying twice?
I don't know but woswobi can shed more light on dat
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 4:40pm On Oct 04, 2019
jelraj:


Please sir, my bro mistakenly applied for me under education biochemistry

How can I correct d mistake?
Or should I apply again with another email?
1. av u submitted already if yes don't reapply but if no 2. use another mail to register. or better still call support or email dem wit ur problem dey might reopen ur application for u to correct and submitted again if ur situation is case 1.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 4:35pm On Oct 04, 2019
To prevent future mistake
ADVERTISEMENT AND ENTRY QUALIFICATIONS FOR ENLISTMENT INTO THE NIGERIAN NAVY DIRECT SHORT SERVICE COMMISSION COURSE 27


1. Applications are hereby invited from suitably qualified Nigerians for enlistment into the Nigerian Navy through the Direct Short Service
Commission (DSSC) Course 27. Online registration starts on 3 October 2019 and closes on 14 November 2019. The departments and entry requirements are listed below.

2. Seaman: BSc/HND in the following disciplines:

a. Nautical Sciences.

b. Criminology.

c. Psychology.

d. Sociology.

e. Forensic Sciences.

Membership of relevant professional bodies will be an added advantage.

3. Accounts and Budget:Bachelor’s degree or HND in Accounting/Banking and Finance. Membership of professional bodies like ICAN, ANAN, ACMA, ACCA, ACA will be an added advantage.

4. Chaplain: Bachelor’s Degree in Theology from a registered institution of theology from either of the following:

a. Catholic Mission.

b. Protestant Mission.

Applicants must have completed 2 years apprenticeship in Apostolic Ministry and be recommended from pastoral missions. In addition to qualifications required, applicants must be of male gender and duly ordained clergy of their respective Christian faith.

5. Education:Bachelor of Education (B.Ed)/ B.Sc Ed in relevant fields. Holders of first degree with PGD Education in the following fields are also eligible:

a. English Language.

b. Mathematics.

c. Physics.

d. Chemistry.

e. Biology.

f. Bio chemistry.

g. Microbiology.

h. History.

i. Library Science (B.Sc).

j. Computer Science.

k. Guidance and Counseling.

l. French Language.

m. Chinese Language.

n. Arabic Language.

6. Engineering: B.Sc or B Eng qualifications in the following fields:

a. Naval Architecture/Ship Design.

b. Mechanical/Marine Engineering.

c. Electrical/Electronic Engineering.

d. Aircraft Engineering/Aeronautical Engineering.

Membership of Nigerian Society of Engineers (NSE) and Council of Registered Engineers of Nigeria (COREN) will be an added advantage.

7. Human Resource Management:B.Sc, BA, HND or equivalent qualification in:

a. Human Resources Management.

b. Personnel Management.

c. Public Administration.

Membership of National Institute of Management and other relevant bodies will be an added advantage.

8. Hydrography: B.Sc or HND in the following fields:

a. Cartography.

b. Surveying/Geoinfomatics.

c. Geophysics.

d. Physical Oceanography.

e. Geology.

Membership of National Institute of Statistics or proficiency in Computer Programming/Data Analysis would be an added advantage. Applicants with B.Sc degree in Physics and Mathematics must possess a Post Graduate Diploma in Land Survey to be eligible.

9. Imam: BA/MA in Islamic Studies in the following:

a. Islamic Studies (Qira’at).

b. Islamic Studies (Hadith).

c. Islamic Studies (Jurisprudence).

d. Islamic Studies (Theology).

Diploma in Counseling Psychology will be an added advantage.

10. Information: B.Sc or HND in the following fields:

a. Mass Communication.

b. Journalism.

c. Public Relations.

d. Printing Technology.

e. Cinematography.

f. Television Production.

g. Computer Technology (Desktop Publishing).

Membership of Nigerian Institute of Public Relations will be an added advantage.

11. Information and Communication Technology: B.Sc/B.Tech/ B.Eng in Computer Science or Computer Engineering. Priority will be given to candidates with relevant qualifications in:

a. Website Development and Management.

b. Networking and Network Administration.

c. Programming Multimedia and Software Development.

d. Server and Database Administration.

e. Information and Cyber Security.

Certification in relevant fields will be an added advantage.

12. Medical: The following medical fields with requisite entry qualifications are available:

a. Consultants: Must be a fellow of National
Postgraduate Medical College or West Africa College of Physicians or
Surgeons. Must possess current practicing license of the Medical and Dental
Council of Nigeria. Candidate’s age limit is 40 years by 20 February 2020.

b. General Doctors/Dental Surgeons: MBBS, MBBCh or
equivalent. Must be fully registered by the Medical and Dental Council of
Nigeria and possess a current practicing license.

c. Pharmacy:B.Pharm/Doctor Pharmacy degree and full
registration with the Pharmacy Council of Nigeria as well as have a current
practicing license.

d. Medical Lab Science:Either a BMLS or AIMLS/
equivalent and be fully registered with the Medical Laboratory Scientist
Council of Nigeria as well as possess a current practicing license.

e. Dental Therapist:HND Dental Therapy must possess
current professional practicing license.

f. Radiographer: Minimum of BSc/HND in Radiography
with current practicing license.

g. Physiotherapy: B. Physiotherapy or BMR (Bachelor
of Medical Rehabilitation). Must be registered with the Medical
Rehabilitation Therapist Registration Board of Nigeria (MRTB) and possess a
current practicing license.

h. Optometry:Doctor of Optometry. Must be fully
registered optometrist, dispensing optician by the Optical Council of
Nigeria and have a current practicing license.

i. Medical Records/Health Information Management:
Minimum of BSc/HND required with current practicing license.

j. Dietician: B.Sc or HND Dietician/Nutrition. Must
be registered with Dietetics Council of Nigeria with current practicing
license.

k. Clinical Psychology: BSc/HND in Clinical
Psychology and Applied Psychology, with current practicing license.

l. Biomedical Engineer:BSc/HND in Biomedical
Engineering with current practicing license.

m. Public Health Officer:BSc/HND in either
Environmental Health or Community Health Information and Education. Must be
fully registered with the Environmental Health Officers Registrations
Council of Nigeria (EHORCON) and possess a current practicing license.

n. General Nursing/Midwives:B.NSc RN/RM with
current practicing license. Post basic qualification in any of the
following fields will be an added advantage:

(1) Accident and Emergency Nurse.

(2) Intensive Care Unit Nurse.

(3) Peri-Operative Nurse.

(4) Ophthalmic Nurse.

(5) Dialysis/Renal Nurse.

m. Hospital Administration: BSc/HND HospitalAdministration with current practicing license.

13. Music:BA/HND in Music. Proficiency in any musical instrument will be an added advantage.

14. Sports/PT:BA/HND in Physical & Health Education or Human Kinetics and Health Education. Proficiency in any physical sport will be an added advantage.

15. Logistics: BSc/HND/B Eng in the following fields:

a. Transport Management.

b. Economics, Business Management or Marketing.

c. Architecture.

d. Catering/Hospitality Management.

e. Civil Engineering.

f. Quantity Survey.

g. Structural Engineering.

h. Estate Surveyor and Valuers.

i. Final Certificate of Nigerian Institute of Transport Technology.

16. Legal Service: LLB and BL (Call to Bar Certificate and a minimum of 3 years post qualification experience required). LLM in International Maritime Law, International Law or Forensic Law is an added advantage.

GENERAL INFORMATION TO CANDIDATES

1. Applicants are warned against giving false information or tendering fake certificates. Any false information or fake certificates discovered at any stage will lead to disqualification and subsequent prosecution of the applicant.

2. Applicants must possess a minimum of Second Class Upper Division for holders of First degree and Upper Credit for HND holders. Computer literacy will be an added advantage in all fields.

3. Applicants must possess certificates of full registration with their respective statutory professional bodies in Nigeria.

4. Applicants who obtained credentials from foreign institutions should ensure the certificates are authenticated by the Federal Ministry of Education.

5. All applicants must present O’level West African Examination Certificate (WAEC), in addition to any other results such as NECO. Credit in Mathematics and English is compulsory.

6. NYSC discharge certificate or letter of exemption from NYSC is a compulsory requirement for enlistment.

7. Male applicants must not be less than 1.68 meters tall while female applicants must not be less than 1.65 meters tall.

8. Applicants should be between 22 and 28 years of age by 20 February 2020. Except Chaplains/Imams and Medical Consultants who should not be more than 30 years and 40 years respectively.

9. Serving personnel, Soldier/Rating/Airman, and other paramilitary services personnel must obtain a letter of attestation duly signed by the
heads of their units.

10. Applicants will be shortlisted for a qualifying aptitude test. The date and time of the aptitude test will be communicated via this website.

11. Applicants are to choose any of the following centers for the qualifying aptitude test:

a. Abuja Centre:

(1) Army Day Secondary School, Mogadishu Barracks.

(2) Command Day Secondary School, Lungi Barracks.

b. Bauchi Centre:

Command Day Secondary School, Shadawanka Barracks.

c. Owerrinta Centre:

Nigerian Navy Finance and Logistics College, Owerrinta, Imo State.

d. Lagos Centre:

(1) Nigerian Navy Secondary School, Navy Town Ojo.

(2) Navy Town Secondary School, Navy Town Ojo.

e. Port-Harcourt Centre:

(1) Nigerian Navy Secondary School, Borokiri.

(2)AirForce Secondary School, 115 Special Operations Group, Air Force Base.

f. Sokoto Centre:

Army Day Secondary School, Giginya Barracks.

12. Applicants are to appear for the Aptitude Test with the following:

a. Photocopies of Degree and NYSC Discharge Certificate.

b. Parent/Guardian Consent Form.

c. Acknowledgement Form.

13. Applicants are to note that the entire enlistment process is free of charge and they should refrain from giving money to any individual under any guise.

SUBMISSION OF FORM

14. On completion of the application form, applicants are advised to click ‘SUBMIT’ on the portal to generate the applicant’s Transaction ID. Applicants are thereafter advised hours only.


Log on to joinnigeriannavy.com or navy.mil.ng to apply. Its free of charge.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 4:09pm On Oct 04, 2019
woswobi:
Congratulations Oga pjay. God bless your home. Sword shall be crossed and presented tomorrow. Thank you for all you did for us.
so mr pidjay marry a fellow personal Wow congrats bros

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 12:24pm On Oct 04, 2019
sdeehussayn:
i applied under cartography with my bsc geography cert, do i need additional cert. to add up?
if geography has a professional body go and register , and also if u have the money reg do Pmp and HSE Class as additional certification is neva enough as dssc applicant in case u scale tru apt test and called for interview

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 11:12am On Oct 04, 2019
Chemistdavy:

I finished NYSC in July 2019 and it's NECO(1-sitting)I intend to use. Thanks for the timely response, Sire.
get Declaratuon of age or birth certificate from national population commission and back date it to read 1997 as ur dob and apply under forensic science chikena

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 10:34am On Oct 04, 2019
Codezz:
After 4years mehn.. nagode bro
congrats are u rc navy or airforce
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 10:18am On Oct 04, 2019
LexyJay02:
The young beautiful daughter tho. Like Gen. Ugo rightly said, it's better we Prepare ourselves for the realities on ground. I think it's better not to join than later dessert.
just imagine the out dated gun es holding in his hand, sorry to say dis am dissapointed in these buahri administration.. After the goc and the hierarchy in army would be moving million and sharing among dem selves,money budgeted to buy state of the art suffisticated weapons to desimate Boko boys..thats y I applaud dos soldiers that ran away with 400million recently

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 10:05am On Oct 04, 2019
ugo4u:

The new strategy of creating Super camps is responsible for the recent spike in Bokoharam attacks, the strategy though good on paper is not working in reality, the idea of the super camps is to concentrate forces in a camp so that they will bite harder and crush the enemies anytime they attempt to takeover army bases, this led to the withdrawal of troops from various out posts to form this camp because overtime it has being a strategy for Bokoharam to use what the military calls "High volume violence" which is simply attacking our troops with overwhelming force(a situation where over 500 terrorists will storm an outpost or Military base with not more than 50 to 100men with ammunitions that is not meant for humans( Geneva convention); anti-aircraft guns etc. This birthed the idea of Super camps that is highly mobile, but unfortunately the withdrawal of troops from small outposts gave BHT leeway to operate without restriction.

As for during GEJ he used Southafrican mercenaries (Private military contractors) led by Ebenlow and other specialized units such as 72mobile strike force to liberate many towns. President Buhari didn't like the idea of using PMCs so their contract was terminated.
see the super camp idea would work only if we use it d way D Boko boys use I. E reverse tactics meaning we storm the heart of bokoharam base with 1000 troops and air strikes force I. E their command and control center not seating down and wait for them to attack us on our super camp base

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 9:48am On Oct 04, 2019
woswobi:
If you know you don’t have b. Edu, just pick seaman
and if u study geography just apply cartography

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 7:40am On Oct 04, 2019
Chemistdavy:
I am 20yrs old with a B.Sc Chemistry certificate (Upper Second). Age spec. says 22-28. Could there be a possible waiver for me?
are u using waec cert if yes just apply like dat if no do an affitdavit or npc birth certificate and apply btw hope u have nysc certificate ?

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 7:24pm On Oct 03, 2019
These would go a long way to help applicant choose were to apply for those who course ain't advertise dat are science oriented or dose not having BEd or pgd or nce in education

FORENSIC SCIENCE
Forensic science, also known as criminalistics, is the application of science to criminal and civil laws, mainly—on the criminal side—during criminal investigation, as governed by the legal standards of admissible evidence and criminal procedure.

Forensic scientists collect, preserve, and analyze scientific evidence during the course of an investigation. While some forensic scientists travel to the scene of the crime to collect the evidence themselves, others occupy a laboratory role, performing analysis on objects brought to them by other individuals.[1]
some of the major branches of forensic science include:

forensic biology
forensic chemistry
forensic anthropology
forensic dentistry
forensic behavioral sciences

NAUTICAL SCIENCE Nautical science is the branch of science to learn to operate a ship and to learn to safely navigate a ship.It includes study of seamanship,meterology,stability calculations,MARPOL,SOLAS,and many other rules and regulations of IMO and most importantly navigation.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 5:41pm On Oct 03, 2019
zheeko:
please kindly respond...
What dept can Bsc in mathematics/statistics function in the Nigerian Navy...Pls I am perturbed.
if u have pgd in land survey apply under suvey and gioinformatics or if u have pgd ,nce or certification in education apply under education or if u av non just apply forensics science or nautical science under seaman
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 5:28pm On Oct 03, 2019
sameereinstein:

Please what of B.Sc chemistry?
if u cant get any educational certificates of any kind b4 December just apply forensics science

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Navy Direct Short Service Course Aspirants(dssc) 2015 by enesi009: 5:27pm On Oct 03, 2019
teadrake:
B.Sc. microbiology please
if u know by December dis year u can't get pgd in education or any certication in education or nce certificate then just apply under forensic science
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 5:18pm On Oct 03, 2019
To gether with ur signed print out

Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 5:17pm On Oct 03, 2019
Dis are what u should get available y waiting for d list in addition to bvn certificate

Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 5:09pm On Oct 03, 2019
prophetic69:
How important is the attestation letter? Cause most institutions don't give...
not important
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Nigerian Army SSC And DSSC 2016/2017 Forum by enesi009: 1:23pm On Oct 03, 2019
LexyJay02:


Nah the Major wey abscond funny me pass. For a whole Major to abscond says a lot. God help and strengthen us all.
D truth is that the govt are deceiving D massess dat dey are winning D war.. Hence not taking tactical decision to end D war ...and our soldiers dying for nothing

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