logicid:

Really? I didn't receive any mail

after d email I got from been successful in d AC and I replied dem av not gotten any feedback mail from dem

So after replying saro on location dey just decided to forget some of us without getting back to us dis is unprofessional at all from dem o

shobroy10:

Guy if u know person if u like apply 10 ur name go comot

me I don't know any person dats y I asked

Hello house during d last dssc and ssc did any body defy D rule and apply both same time and still get shortlisted for any one of the two for interview.. Cos next time I don't want to put my head in one basket.. Since my age fit in for both dssc and ssc

*THE COST OF MAKING AN ENGINEER*
For want of a better title, I have chosen this one. I know in the course of my discourse, you will get to understand what my inner thoughts are for which I have decided to voice out using this medium. I am a lengthy writer, so brace up and follow me slowly.
As I was about graduating from Secondary School being in a state owned Science School, I had two options before me: either to become an Engineer or a Medical Doctor, as is always the case for most science students. Upon a little inquiry into the contents of these two courses, I learnt that as a Medicine student you wouldn't do mathematics, rather you will be inclined towards Biology. The opposite was the case for Engineering. For the love of Mathematics only, I opted for Engineering though many senior voices around me compelled me otherwise.
Going through Engineering for five years in a purely Engineering institution, I kept wondering at the shabbiness and lack of depth and seriousness attached to the Engineering Training. Though I saw all the Mathematics I thought I will see, there was no real life application of the concepts we were taught. Either the lecturers couldn't apply the mathematical models to industry applications or what we were learning had nothing to do with what was obtainable in the industry.
Then it was time for Industrial Training. Wow! Finally we can make sense of all these dy/dx we have been hearing. We got to the industry and had the biggest shock: Classroom and industry operated in two different worlds. Before we could even find a place to perch, it was like looking for a paid employment. Industry owners felt we were unnecessary disturbances or incursions into their normal production chain.
Five years after we wrote our 'final' exams. I kept wondering why it was called final. I felt final should have incorporated all we had learnt in the previous 9 semesters, but no, nothing of such. In fact, as is the case with most courses, everything learnt in the previous semester is dropped or forgotten. So we were only examined by what we had learnt in the final semester. May be final exams actually meant Final Semester Exams. Results computed and we left unceremoniously. No Mobil PLC, no ABB, no Julius Berger, no NNPC, no Chervron and the likes waiting to receive the latest brains from the Nigerian University System.
Thrown into NYSC camps like every other graduate, we struggled to teach Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry, etc with those that were Majors in these subjects. No Engineering Industry to be posted to. Two years after my NYSC, here I am in the office of the Secretary, Nigerian Society of Engineers to ask him what it will take for me to bear the title Engr before my name: he replied, 5 years post NYSC experience in an Engineering Industry. You couldn't imagine my laughter. So all the dy/dx for five years is grossly inadequate to make me an Engineer.
This is 18 years since I chose to study Engineering against Medicine, I have the Engineering qualification, I have registered as an Engineer and I work as an Engineer. Here is the paradox: looking at what I have been doing in the last 7 years, overseeing the safety of hundreds or thousands of lives flying over the Nigerian airspace into and out of my territory, I wonder at the shabby, non-chalant, lazy, undemanding nature of Engineering training in Nigerian Universities.
Comparing with a medical student, suffice me to give an abridged version of how medical school looks like since I have never been there. A young chap gets into medical school and from day zero, he is being told how tough it is to graduate because it is about Saving Lives (Saving Lives! I will come back to it). He is introduced to several big names, anatomy, pharmacology, physiology, clinical sciences, etc. He is told to buy big textbooks. The textbooks of course are very intimidating in size. The guy wonders will I be able to cramp all these? Then he begins to hear 1st MB, 2nd MB, if you fail, you resit, if you fail again you drop out. He is shown some students who started in Medicine but couldn't cope and had to take 'lesser' courses like Biochemistry, Medical Lab Science, Anatomy, etc. So from inception, they build into him the spirit of "I MUST SUCCEED". The guy goes through and after some years maybe in year 3 or 4 or 5 (I don't know, of course I have not been there before) the guy is whisked out of the school and sent to A Teaching Hospital where he begins to interact with the industry. He sees patients, works with consultants through medical procedures and all that. Then its time for him to graduate. He plans for the graduation: calls friends, family, well wishers and the whole community. He provides souvenir, hire reception venues and becomes the celebrity of the moment. The ceremony is not just graduation ceremony, it is not convocation: it is OATH TAKING CEREMONY and conferment of title as Dr. He is taking oath to protect and preserve lives. He obtains his license and off he goes.
The industry welcomes him with open arms. He had spent the last 3 years within the industry so he understands clearly what he will do.
Now this is the part I like to point out. What does a doctor do when he gets to the office? Let's take it in the angle of a patient by name Felicia.
Felicia wakes up in the morning with the usual pain she has been feeling for about 1 week is back. Now the pain is so severe and she decides to visit the hospital. On getting to the Out Patient Department, she is told to purchase a card so a folder can be opened for her. She does that quickly and a nurse calls her, initiates conversation to tell her all is well, you have come to the right place. The nurse takes her vital signs: blood pressure, heart beat, pulse and temperature, records in her folder and takes it to the doctor.
The doctor calls Felicia in and start asking questions, ranging from symptoms, history, etc. He tries one or two physical examination here and there and come up with a suspicion. To confirm or be very sure, he orders for laboratory tests. Meaning the doctor needs guidance (after all that rigorous training?).
Samples are taken, maybe urine, blood, faeces, cough, etc. The uncelebrated Medical Lab Scientist carries out the test and sends the result back to the doctor who now from the result gives the 'correct diagnosis'. Depending on the severity, Felicia is either admitted and handed over to a nurse or she is sent home but not without drugs.
Doctor writes out a prescription and Felicia goes to a pharmacy, meets a pharmacist who gives her the drugs and write out the dosage clearly for Felicia.
If Felicia is admitted, she lies on the bed and it becomes the duty of the nurses to administer the drugs, keep checking the vital signs and report any thing seen to the doctor who comes in for ward rounds. If Felicia needed surgery, of course, that's a whole procedure on its own. Felicia or her relative must sign a consent form to protect the doctor. Sense!
Why did I go through all these? Everything the doctor, nurse, pharmacist, lab scientist, etc did was to protect and preserve the life of just about ONE PERSON- FELICIA.
If at anytime, any of them gets a procedure wrong, only Felicia will be affected. So all the fear, seriousness, concentrated training, big text books, mighty exams and glorious oath taking was just for one person at a time. That is what is bothering me. If a doctor makes a mistake, most likely, only one person may suffer directly - maximum of one death on the average.
Now let's paint the same scenario with a typical Engineer, and I want to use one common engineering activity we see everyday - building.
Mr. Mbayo is a business man who is into real estate. He wants to build a three-storey shopping mall. So he calls an architect who discusses with him and gives him an architectural design using the survey plan gotten from the Land Surveyor. The architect hands over the design to a structural engineer who gives a structural design, an Electrical engineer who gives electrical design and a Mechanical Engineer who gives the mechanical design. The structural engineer hands over his document to a quantity surveyor that does the costing.
All designs are ready. Approvals gotten and the document is handed over to a 'Builder' who most of the time studied Building Technology or any Civil Engineer. Work starts and people are moved into the construction site - men, women, young boys and girls, machines, and all sorts of things.
Assuming there was an error in the chain and during construction, the building collapses or the building is completed and people move in, business starts and it becomes a beehive of enterprising activity, then the building collapses, or catches fire due to poor wiring, etc!
Please just pause and answer this? How many people will most likely be affected by such an error? What will be the geographical and economic effect of such an error? We can't attach a number! But it is certainly NOT going to be ONE as in the case of a doctor. I can't talk about aviation, drilling, road, rail and bridge constructions, power, etc.
So if what I painted above is the cost of training a doctor whose goal is to save one life at a time (as important as that one life is), what should be the cost of training an Engineer?
As important as Structural Engineers are in this country, no University I know of graduates Structural Engineers. We only graduate civil engineers, who decide on their own to become structural engineers. Government cannot pay attention to the one single sector that if there is an error, a whole generation can be wiped out in an instant. Engineering profession is where quackery is celebrated the most. That's why most heads of Engineering projects or parastatals are not Engineers. In Nigeria, the Minister of Works, power, housing, mineral resources, water, etc must not be an engineer. The same goes for commissioners in states. Yet, you can't do that in finance, health, law, etc.
Our professional bodies are also aggravating issues. The Nigeria Society of Engineers and COREN have refused to place value on the title and degrees acquired. When you also cast aspersion to the degree you give to us in the university (many university dons are Fellows of NSE) you tell us we need additional five years to qualify, how will outsiders think well of us? Like I told the University of Lagos don who interviewed me for my COREN exams, I am not against the written examinations, projects, and oral interview conducted before we register as engineers. But why can't all that be incorporated into our five years in school? Why should we offer courses that have no bearing with us in year one in the first place? Even if you want to make Engineering 6 or 7 years, you can make it. Just make sure the degree has value. We need to graduate having a good grasp of the industry. If doctors take oath to protect one life, how much more an engineer?
Why can't we replicate what happens in medical school in our engineering schools? You will say we don't have engineering organizations like hospitals do. But all states of the federation have Ministry of Works at the least. Why can't we have a policy of allowing engineering students to do some kind of housemanship programme in these places before they graduate? Why should individual students go out in search of IT placement when their counterparts in medical school just walk into the teaching hospitals? This is simply a matter of policy: for any school to offer engineering, you must have an industrial Centre where students will have monitored exposure to industrial experience.
Looking at the certificate NSE or COREN gives which gives us license to sign off a project, in the event such a license is revoked as a disciplinary measure, what does the bearer stand to loose? He will no longer be involved in any project or his stamp or seal are confiscated and so he can't sign again? How does not signing off a project exclude someone from a project when there are several non professionals involved already? So no one gives a thought to whether his stamp is revoked or not. In fact, its just that government establishment requires registration at a particular level of work, that is why most people are even going for it. Of course as we know, government is not the only employer of engineers. The private sector has more and they don't need that. They require skill and competency. So if I must take the registration serious, then add value to it. Is it possible to make sure only registered engineers or professionals are involved in engineering projects no matter the level of involvement? Then you are beginning to talk about adding value. Compare with a doctor, his license is his life. Without which, he is finished. He can't imagine his license hanging in the balance.
There is yet another concern about my NSE. With all the way our government treats engineers and engineering projects, can NSE decide to take any industrial action such as downing of tools? Can my President come up one day and tell the federal government and all state governors that all engineers are downing their tools! Meaning no flight, no water, no power, no oil production, no communication, no media, etc. Please don't say most engineers are working for private institutions and it will not happen. I know a lot of people in PENGASSAN and NUPENG work for private establishments, yet when they decide to down tools Nigeria quakes. Of course I can't talk about when Nigerian Medical Association or National Association of Resident Doctors decide to down tools, even with the number of private hospitals spread across Nigeria. *Our problem is basically VALUE.*
I cannot understand why Nigerian universities that produce Doctors, artists, pharmacists, accountants, architects, lawyers, etc and all these guys leave the university and begin to practice immediately; nobody is interested whether they are trained here at home or abroad; this same university cannot train engineers to practice as soon as they are out and addressed as such. The problem is not the university, the problem is definitely the manner or kind of training.
Let us stop all these commission of enquiry that we set up every time there is an accident or incident looking for who to blame and scores of lives are lost. The government knows what to do, they just refuse to do it. You can't be spending all that resource to train a medical doctor who only handles one life at a time and shabbily train an engineer who will handle projects that affect scores of lives spread across diverse tribes, races, geographical location, religion etc. Let us know this: if you fall sick and you think you cannot be treated in Nigeria, you can be flown first class to any hospital in the whole world and you receive the best care. But if that building decides to cave in, or catches fire, or that aircraft crashes, or that drilling well gives a blast, such disasters does not know if you are the governor or president or minister. If it happens and you are there, you die or get injured like every other person.
_Let's decide today to give *value* to this noble Engineering Profession._
This is me voicing out my own concerns. Hope no one feels abashe.

evioke:

I don't think so bro, till next year i stand to be corrected.

it will come out since buhari no change service Chief after extending dier tenure again and during last fec meeting fg said dey would recruit 60000 youth dis year #SSC46/DSSC25 loading

Blessedmo:
Oh wow. It may not slow down the process though. It willl affect how those affected will be rated/scored.

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A sample of d mail... U need D mail to print out cos it prerequisite of u writing D exam

ugo4u:
It is more easier to get caught with forged certificate abroad than in Nigeria. Them go just email the school for confirmation latest 1week you will be exposed. For Nigerian universities they usually go there physically to confirm your results. Bad as e bad you fit get chance escape why the invest is going on.
There was guy that forged certificate from a prestigious UK university ( 2009 DSSC set) as him mumu reach na 1st class him ma give himself. Army sent an email to the school and in 3days they responded, that was how he was booted out.

na all dis pple dey chance us.. When the computer go detect forien university and First Class e go just shortlist dem a head of us wey school for nija without dem having connection and if dey reach selection board with foreign certificate and First Class D board go consider dem without knowing any body cos dey don't want to miss out on some one with such credentials from d army.. Cuz dey would think with your credentials u still want to join D army

evioke:


Bros, if your age is different from the birth certificate/age declaration of that of WAEC, what can be done to bypass them thanks.

use neco my broda

samobaba4u:

To buttress your point, even if you didn't start at age 2 but perfect your age and the documents stated you started Pry at age 2, if there's strong backing you will make the final list. I know one of the dssc cadets who claimed he was born 1990 and finished pry 98, secondary 2004. This is naija

tank u my brother ...dis is Nigeria... What prospective applicant should do is do ur homework well perfect ur age and don't tender fake certificate dats all u need and dats it

damiBJ:


Definitely....I kno people get it...
But wen an int officer want to verify....he will.
Doz old NPC birthcert has nomba...do u kno??
Well..its beta Dan declaration...prospective applicant take note.

and who told u d one given to dose guys don't have number

damiBJ:


Primary 1 at the age of two?? Lolzz
Mind u am not saying pre-nursery oo....

go and check d news on d guy no need to believe what i say here

[quote author=damiBJ post=78512488]U made mention of court backing...OK o.

U are 26....am 26....after perfecting....same geopolitical zone....u tender court backing as age declaration abi?... I tender old Natiional Population Commision cert as my birth cert....

The fact DAT most applicant DAT want to perfect there age don't normally HV the old birth cert....and if u .

damiBJ:
U made mention of court backing...OK o.

U are 26....am 26....after perfecting....same geopolitical zone....u tender court backing as age declaration abi?... I tender old Natiional Population Commision cert as my birth cert....

The fact DAT most applicant DAT want to perfect there age don't normally HV the old birth cert....and if u don't kno...its very key in the screening process....although army will say...declaration is accepted...but dey kno wat dey are doing..

Diz are my input for the day.
I don't want any bashing....datz why I hardly comment.....but i stand to be corrected.

Less I forget...the dssc guy DAT ran....it was last month...middle of last month... Not recently...and it mite even be his fellow soldiers DAT want to implicate him.

who told u ppl don't get dat old npc birth certificate... My frnd a lot of pple who are in airforce dssc now in kd whent for it in dier office and got it and what was done is simple back dating and boom dey falsify it and today dey would end up becoming officer so my guy forget all dis thing u are saying dis is Nigeria

damiBJ:


Even wit ur NECO result..... It will be calculated...and if any shaddy tin is notice...dey drop it and move to the next applicant document.
2012 a friend got to board....he said a guy perfected his age...but after calculation....it was discover he started pry skol at the age of 4.....

Well...I will say it all depend on Gods will for u....if na ur own...na ur own....it will be overlooked....diz pres et dssc/SSC...kno smone all the differences in age was overlook despite the fact it was obvious.... Na God.

let me burst ur bubble... Dere are pple who started primary skull at age 2 self... So dat no dey always work to determine age e.g the guy who scored D highest in jamb dis year now actually start school at dat age and here e Is today if in future e tends to join D military ( army) will dey deprive him?

damiBJ:


Yea...u are right...anyone can falsify the age.
But if army want to find out dey will....and if dey want to overlook it...it's left to dem.

Doz army general and politicians son dAT refuse to attend NDA and went for university abroad....dey are mostly.... 20/21 yrs old after grad....

no doubt but u and I know dat dose group of children hardly even happly it mostly D poor children dat graduate late from school dat Flood D recruitment end tend to always use dier football age and nothing dey happened provided it backed from d court.. Except dey are using waec results

damiBJ:


I kno two guyz in my place.....one is 24 and anoda 26......both are in training now for SSC.

any body can falsify dat age doesn't mean it's dier real age

samobaba4u:
A DSSC cadet has been arrested few weeks to POP for certificate forgery. An ex-boy.

few weeks u say when are dey passing out

Trottle:

Fine o bro, It went we'll thank God. Basic questions. Plus it's a brief conversation and I don't think it may take more than 10 mins. I'm sure you'll get to enjoy the conversation.

we are yet to receive mail for ours too oo

samsard:
It is still 35 for medical consultants applying for DSSC -)
Everyone else falls in the <30 age cap

b4 it was 35 for dssc 30 ssc and 40 for consultant

ugo4u:

National assembly passed it to law, on abolishment of age barrier.

but if d information is true y is custom recruitment still tagging age at 30

ugo4u:

National assembly passed it to law, on abolishment of age barrier.

good let dem make it 30 for ssc and 35 for dssc like b4

[quote author=ojexin post=78428304]

Exactly, 2 people have died from the SSC guy. ....Army might not reduce the Age due to the training [/qukote] hw sure are u deir age is associated to D death

ugo4u:

oboy!!!!!! this rai'nin wayo don enter next level oo haba. The irony of everything is that upon commissioning most of those regulars will always be going for courses upandan while the SSC guys do most of the job, infact it's even hard to see RC officers if them no dey office them dey jaji dey run course.
DSSC is getting attractive by the day, since the house of assembly has lifted age barrier for recruitment possibly army will comply.

pls can u expantiate on dis? What do u mean lifting age barier is no longer 30 years?

If dey don't want Us y sending us to reply dem wit message of our location.. And did any body who choose Abuja as location got D mail

profsein007:


About 4

na wao what does dis Means now ehn?

profsein007:


I have not received but some of my friends did. Wondering why though.......

how many of your frnds received?

Any news guys

Military try for salary oo. Dis is b4 D minimum wage will b implemented

Kerij:
yea army number works mainly among course mates so its posible u c same rank saluting same rank,

also guys una Don dey were uniform and what tama dey una should der since una b ssc?

And all should get it write when u join D army na rank dem dey follow for seniority and if are same rank den it goes down to seniority in term of who first atain D rank b4 D other ...all dis ssc,rc ,dssc na bullshit