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OkCornel:
Can you provide us with the links to your source? I have shown you mine. If you want many more links asserting my position, I can happily provide.

Now the ball is in your court. Provide links and sources to this Sudan/Yudan theory of yours.

MuttleyLaff:
Even this mainstream source references some of the West African Isrealite kingdoms but concluded with.. "These communities continued to exist for hundreds of years but have since disappeared due to changing social conditions, persecution, migration, and assimilation."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_Bilad_el-Sudan
Yea right.. they disappeared.

OkCornel:
Another one from encyclopedia britannica

https://www.britannica.com/place/Sudan

MuttleyLaff:
Pictures only is what donnie is fraudulently good at doing.
Also his Achilles heel is that he can't present anything down to the 10th century. He is limited to the 1400s

OkCornel:
No need to get emotional. Our conversation has not gotten to the point of insulting one another, so no point in going that far.

1) I am still awaiting your source/links to the Indian Israelites you pasted earlier, unless you're passing off a lost African tribe in India (the Siddis) as the 'Indian Israelites'.

OkCornel:
2) Please can you show us anywhere in the Zondervan Bible Dictionary where the negroes were linked to the lineage of Shem?

OkCornel:
That's why I asked for your link/source, or is it not on the internet? Pictures only won't suffice, especially after passing off a lost african tribe in India as 'Indian Israelites' earlier on.

Done my search, there's no correlation between the words Yudan and Sudan.

Please help us with source(s)/ links to your meaning of Sudan.

MuttleyLaff:
donnie, doesnt read posts more than two to three sentences, because he is lazy, so is the reason why he didnt respond to defend his Muslim Israelite king Sunni Ali in exile on the west coasts of Africa, lmao

OkCornel:
Spoiler alert.

eplanning, here is the meaning of Sudan. Sudan means LAND OF THE BLACKS.

Please where is your source stating Sudan means foreigner of Yudan/Judah?

donnie:
Also, after the 70AD exile, they fled into Africa and all of North Africa was full of ISRAELITES. They were persecuted as they migrated through North Africa (Egypt/ Nubia, Lybia, Morocco, Ethiopia). Then they migrated further down to Soudan/ Negroland.

Soudan (which actually means foreigner of Yudan/Judah) where they settled for centuries was full of Jews at a time in history. The Islamic Jihads caused them to migarte further south to the coast of Guinea where they are today.

MuttleyLaff:
You are contradicting yourself here, you know, lmao. Why are you trying to equate land of Sudan into Negroland? Isn't Negroland meant to be in Israel, since you claim that Israel is negro.

donnie:
Olodo... I'm not trying anything... You are only acquainted with 20th -21st century whitewashed history. Who doesn't know the whole of that area is Negroland? Even the name Nigeria is actually Niger-area (ie. nigger/negro area).
Negroland includes Guinea which is at the bottom, and which is where our people migrated to from SOUDAN while fleeing the Islamists who were forcefully taking territory, killing, enslaving, and forcefully converting our people.

MuttleyLaff:
You're so full of yourself, you think you're dealing with baby Kingsway here, lmao. If I should reveal your history to you, you'll go depressed

MuttleyLaff:
E dey pain am

donnie:
Not many are bold enough to expose the lies of white supremacists.

Yea right... Apparently because he's white enough for you.

OkCornel:
Bring that same Zondervan Bible dictionary and show us where it states the Negroes descended from Shem.

MuttleyLaff:
What did I tell ya
He knew he was about being cornered, so quickly found an exit route and scrammed
Choose a safe distance and far away to watch a tree branch

Maximus69:
My friend they migrated for sure but that doesn't mean Israelites didn't migrate to Europe, Asia, and other places?

I'm not disputing the fact that some of them migrated to Africa, but that's not the reason to conclude Africans are Israelites Sir!

Maximus69:
All your narratives and drawings holds no water my guy, Israelites migrated from time to time and there is no nation they're not running to back then.
In all those places Apostle Paul named in his letters:
Rome
Corinth
Galatia
Ephesus
Philipi
Colossea
Thessalonica
and many ran to Asia.

It's the Jews who accepted Christianity in all those places that were helping others as pioneers to grasp the teachings of the Apostles.

So if Jews ran to all those places during the times Babylonians and other oppresive nations displaced them, how come you're now insisting Africa is their promised land?

OkCornel:
Thanks for your patience and understanding to keep this conversation flowing. Thankfully, it’s been a conversation so far...and not an argument, and hopefully it remains that way.


Now here’s the issue I have with the Esau “whitening out” theory.

1) Esau was a Semite.
2) The scriptures clearly described Esau as ruddy (reddish hue) and hairy in Genesis 25 v 25.
3) Esau married Canaanite women. Please bear in mind Canaan was a descendant of Ham, and Ham was the progenitor of the dark races as your last post on this thread clearly shows.

Now how does a red hairy Esau who married Canaanite women (offsprings of Ham) birth descendants who were responsible for this “whitening out”?

OkCornel:
Something doesn’t add up.

OkCornel:
I thought the Japhethites (Europeans) would be the culprits if any whitening out happened in the Middle East. Unfortunately, there’s no historical evidence to support this theory.

MrPresident1:
Awesome. Thanks so much!

The black skin is a curse, and it is for the people in hell. Jesus' skin was not originally black, he is from Shem so his complexion would be same with fellow Semites. But Israel went down into the grave, and acquired a darker hue due to extreme punishment. We are eagerly waiting for redemption.

OkCornel:
Two things you need to consider.

1) The Ishmaelites did not form majority of the population in the Middle Eastern peninsula. As a matter of fact, they were more of a nomadic people.

It depends on what period you're referring to. They may not have been majority, but they were powerful and influential. They were not nomadic a such, they actually conquered, settled in and civilized Europe. They built institutions, industry, universities, libraries etc. They were later conquered by the whites during the Renaissance between 1300s to 1500s. Even North Africa was taken over by Empires like the Ottoman empire of the Turks (ESAU)

2) The seeds of Esau (The Edomites) had their kingdom conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC. The remnants of that once great nation resettled around what was called Idumea (Southern hills of Judea to North of Beer’sheva).

These two nations had done nothing significant to alter the Semitic genes of Babylonians (Iraq), Persians (Iran), Arameans (Syrians), nor the Turks...which still begs the question. Why aren’t these nations full of blacks today if indeed they were populated by a black majority in the past?

MuttleyLaff:
You want to talk serious, hmm?
On the most serious note, skin colour, you are black-skinned, I am white-skinned, they are reddish-brown skin are never biblical concepts. Race has never existed at any the time in the Bible. As a matter of fact, God dealt with nations, He mentioned nations.

MuttleyLaff:
He never with people according to skin colours. He never dehumanised people based on their skin colour. Now just because accidentally you are white skinned, it to some black supremists on this thread means you automatically have no positive human qualities. What a joke that is, lmao

MuttleyLaff:
The racist overtones and derogatory remarks made by a group of people in the direction of another group of people is not palatable. You are not wrong if you think I don't find all that acceptable.

The Israelites were not white, were not black and were not African. Abraham was from Ur in modern day Iraq. Based on the geographical location of Ur, there is no reason to suspect that the complexion of Abraham and by proxy the Israelites, just adjacent to Iraq, were any different from the typical Arab's, today reddish brown skin tone, or better still olive skin hue

paxonel:
OK,
I have done the research, you were right that Egyptians were originally blacks.

So, what are the significance?
Does that mean that Europeans went to Egypt to study and became great people today while Egypt(Africa) was left in desolate?

What then stops Africans from doing the same?
why are Africans who went to schools in Europe to acquire so much not coming back to set up the kind of schools they saw in Europe?

paxonel:
they could go all these far only to prove that there was a black Jesus?
They should try again

MuttleyLaff:
paxonel, I have been patiently waiting for you to push back the igbo hin wan drop put for inside your pocket incriminate you, but you haven't. Please don't allow him scam your with those black skinned people picture.

Ask him to tell you what's the implication and/or effect of the three tropics on each of the Pic 1. Australia aboriginals, Pic 2. Brazil aboriginal, Pic 3 Chinese aboriginal and Pic 4 Mexican aboriginals?

MuttleyLaff:
paxonel, I have been patiently waiting for you to push back the igbo hin wan drop put for inside your pocket incriminate you, but you haven't. Please don't allow him scam your with those black skinned people picture.

Ask him to tell you what's the implication and/or effect of the three tropics on each of the Pic 1. Australia aboriginals, Pic 2. Brazil aboriginal, Pic 3 Chinese aboriginal and Pic 4 Mexican aboriginals?

OkCornel:
Still no answer to this question?

OkCornel:
Thank you very much for the pointers. I’ll go through and revert.

And Shem was a black man? That’s going too far abeg.

Please could you help us with historical evidences as to who “whited out” the Semitic nations in the Middle East? Because ironically, Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syrians are/were never classified nor regarded as whites to start with even up to this very day.

letu:
Bros no mind them, I'm also a good Christian like them but I don't have problem with Jewish people, because they are the custodian of Israel culture/religion inasmuch as we have blacks that believes blacks originated from Ancient Israel, but I have chosen to open my eyes to the reality of the world that I'm leaving in.

paxonel:
na you paint them black or wetin?

OkCornel:
My question is simple, Iran (Persia), Turkey (Lydia), Iraq (Babylon), Syria (Armeans) are also descendants of Shem like the Jews.

Why aren’t these Semitic nations also supposedly black like the Israelites hmmm?

OkCornel:
@letu should simply explain how the Seljuk/Ilkhanate empire stopped Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria from being Semitic nations nau.


It’s so obvious he has nothing to say in this regard.


Now let’s watch him beat around the bush without references.


Jews were once black my arse...

Heck, even the Europeans, Chinese and the red Indians were blacks too.

letu:
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