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Papist:
Ok so the Caliph Umar charge could be a legend/myth. Peace.

Its actually a myth because if the Caliph Umar was responsible for the destuction of the Alexandra Library a serious charges would have been brought-up against him because the Eguptian Society was already an enlightened one back then.SALAAM(SHALOM)PEACE!

queebeediva:
I just hate religion phanatics and it so annyoing seeing people gainging ground of rightouseness when actually they are dirty when it comes to practical . Muslim and christain keep on fighting eachother for blind reasons and yet one will open his or her mouth to condem . Abeg some so call pegan are far promising than does who think they no God but found worse off.

Again you are right but the truth is that one should learn to control one's temprament and tongue when one sees what is not pleasing to him.Our beloved Prophet of God Peace be on him said :

The feeling one has toward something or someone that hurts, opposes, offends, or annoys, strong displeasure.
(Example: In a moment of anger I hit my brother.)
Islamic definition: It is a destructive fire!
Prophetic hadith: “Anger is a burning coal ...” [3]
- Anger is a secret weapon of man towards of evils, but sometimes
it results in the destruction of many noble qualities.
- It snatches away the wisdom of man and thus
he becomes a brute beast devoid of any sense.
- Anger is a temptation and deception of Shaitân (Devil).[2]
- Anger is the root of all evils.
- Anger is a very bad condition that weakens the person's Imân (faith). [2]

Imam Mawlûd calls it a "swelling ocean," that is he compares it to "a swelling mass of emotion that is difficult to hold back once it is unleashed."[4]


The Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammad said:

"Whoever curbs his anger, while being able to act, Allah will fill his heart with certainty of faith."
Therefore the consequence for whoever does not curb his anger is that he or she will sooner or later feel its evil consequences.
Anger is a destructive emotion, as a fire which destroys our well-being, consumes our good actions, repels our friends and dear ones, frightens our children and forces the angels to report bad actions for the Heavenly Records. This is a dangerous rough road and no-one is devoid of it and it brings one close to the wrath of Allah;

queebeediva:
If you so no the bible as you claimed then you will see that both the koran and the bible are 90pecent similar so shut the Bleep and consentrate on how to Love one another . Religion superiority is killing us and we feel we no God more than anyone else and yet blasmphere other religion . Go into proper reaserch and don't be quick to judge others but be paitent to read and understand before you come out and start feeling you are God secetary.

my brother two wrongs don't make a right.Please try and show some decency too because you dont use Vulger Language if you want to correct people.However you spoke the Truth.

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Many Qur'anic teachings have emphasized dealings with non-Muslims with justice and respect, especially those who live in peace with the Muslims and do not raise enmity against them.
 
"Allah does not forbid you concerning those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes from being righteous towards them and acting justly towards them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."  (The Qur'an 60:
 
"And they give food in spite of their love for it to the poor, the orphan, and the captive, [Saying]: We feed you only for the acceptance of Allah. We wish neither from you reward nor gratitude."  (The Qur'an 76: 8,9)
 
            Although Muslims might disagree with other ideological systems and religious dogmas, it should not prevent them from demonstrating the correct manner of discussion and interaction with non-Muslims:
 
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture (Christians and Jews) except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say we believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." (The Qur'an 29: 46)
 
            In this context, it seems appropriate to raise the question: Is tolerance of other religions as preached by Islam a matter left to the Muslims to decide about? As a matter of fact, tolerance in Islam has ideological basis in the Qur'an and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, and it is not subject to any human interference. Therefore, it is a constant Islamic principle that does not change over time or place. According to the Qur'an, every human being is to be honored as Allah has honored him/her:

[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33233390]It depends on what you want to believe! i repeat Again, the word TRINITY does not exist in the bible and while adressing my post take that into consideration, i am fully responsible for my defence ok. now lets start with these verses you wrongly claimed support trinity


Bernimoore I realy want to commend you on your effort to make it known that the Doctrine of Trinity was is not in the Bible and therefore Jesus never taught it.
Also let me bring it to your notice that I did not Wrongly Claim the Bible support the Trinity we Muslems share the same belief that Jesus was not Signatory to the Doctrine of Trinity and in fact Islam strongly oppose it.But the fact remains that the Doctrine was Sanctioned by many Christian Authourities.Those Bible verses that I gave you where the one those Christians theologians belief to support Trinity in the Bible.

The Doctrine of the Trinity in history

The doctrine of the trinity was first thoroughly and formally articulated in the fourth century in response to perceived distortions of biblical teaching on the subject, but the fundamental beliefs of the doctrine can be seen from the first century. And while no systematic presentation of the doctrine can be found in the New Testament, Christians argue that it can be shown that the Bible teaches that the Father is God, the Son, Jesus Christ, is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, all the while affirming that there is but one God.

Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. 2 However, the fullest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century. Tertullian coined the words "Trinity" and "person" and explained that the the Bible taught that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one in essence - not one in Person." 3

About a century later, in 325, the Council of Nicea set out to officially define the relationship of the Son to the Father, in response to the controversial teachings of Arius. Led by bishop Athanasius, the council affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity as orthodoxy and condemned Arius' teaching that Christ was the first creation of God. The creed adopted by the council described Christ as "God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance (homoousios) with the Father."

Bernimoore your personal belief against the Trinity is not different from what the Muslems believe therefore you have Confirmed what the Quran says


"Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).

a Humble Servant of God

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).
I realy appreciate your courage.

Papist:
Well Arabic sources say it was destroyed on the orders of Caliph Omar.

Asalam Alaikum!

Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.

shidof:
U must be kidding me, Muslim invading Egypt and destroy Alexandria library. go and re chk ur history Bro

Encyclopedia Britanica says that the Alexandrian Library had, in fact, been destroyed much earlier, in the fourth century A.D, long before the advent of Islam: "The library survived the disintegration of Alexander’s empire (first century BC) and continued to exist under Roman rule until the third century AD."3 The truth is that one half of this library was burnt by Julius Caesar in 47 BC. In the third century, Alexandria came under the domination of Christians. At another place the same work states that, "The main museum and library were destroyed during the civil war of the third century AD and a subsidiary library was burned by Christians in AD 391."4

Phillip K Hitti states that the story "is one of those tales that make good fiction but bad history." He goes on, "the great Ptolemic library was burnt as early as 48 BC by Julius Ceasar. A later one, referred to as the daughter library, was destroyed about AD 389 as a result of an edict by the Emperor Theodosius. At the time of the Arab conquest, therefore, no library of importance existed in Alexandria and no contemporary writer ever brought the charge about Amr or Umar.

Papist:
Yes Christians also did many wrong things but your 3 million killed by the Spanish inquisition is a lie because the records of the Inquisition Tribunal are still there. Less than 4000 people were killed in more than 300 years. It was still wrong though. I did not go through the rest of your post because this one lie made me believe you were presenting revisionist history.

I want to salute your courage. For admitting that Christians have their own dark side too.But the point is that your people always make it to look as if is only Muslems that are bad in quote.That's why have been saying that if you are living in a glass house you don't throw stones.I don't blame Christians because majority of you don't know these facts.In respect to the figure I quoted it could be over exagerated on the part of the Author but the truth is 4000 human human death is tantamount to Genocide which is a serious Crime against Humanity.God Bless

shidof:
Lolzz! it's either ua kid or short-sighted, Wat has Islam given to d world or wat d hell did u asked. Ve u hrd abt d contributions of Islam to d world of medicine, mathematics , civilization ,industrialization and even education. Google abt d Egyptian civilization, Alexandria d grt and maybe d first and d oldest university in d whole world. With ol d thrashes u wrote above without any evidence to back it up. I cn concluded dt u've been highly brainwashed, nxt tym if Somone tell u something try to carry out ur own research b4 u'll be displaying ur stupidity outside.

Let us do a brief review of the contribution of Islam to civilization as we know it.

Trigonometry, Sine, Tangent, Co-Tangent

The Arabs developed these functions in trigonometry and Ibn Moosaa's work Hisaab-Al Jab-Wal Muqaabala (The Calculation of Integration and Equation) presented 800 examples in the 8th century CE. His work was translated from Arabic into Latin and until the 16th century CE, it was Europe's main textbook on the subject. 

Algebra and Geometry

Muhammad bin Moosaa Al-Khawaarizmi is considered to be one of the founders of Algebra. The word ‘Algorithm’ or 'Algorizm' is a corruption of his name or the name of the town Khwaarizm (Kheva), in what is now Uzbekistan, where he was born. He adopted the use of ‘cipher’ (zero), that was devised in India some centuries earlier, a numeral of fundamental importance, leading up to the so-called arithmetic of positions and the decimal system. The very word ‘zero’ is a derivative of the Arabic ‘sifr’ or ‘cipher’. His pioneering work on the system of numerals is well known as "Algorithm," or "Algorizm." In addition to introducing the Arabic numerals, he developed several arithmetical procedures, including operations on fractions.

Another great mathematician was Omar Khayyaam, who offered to the world geometric and algebraic solutions of the second degree. Naseeruddeen wrote the treatise on quadrilateral trigonometry, as well as plain and spherical geometry.

Physics and Chemistry

Kamaaluddeen examined the refraction of sunlight in raindrops and offered an explanation of the genesis of primary and secondary rainbows. The story of the invention of the pendulum and the presentation of a water clock to Emperor Charlemagne by Haaroon Ar-Rasheed is well known.

The great historian Gibbons wrote in his Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (Volume 5) that the science of chemistry owes its origin and improvements to the Muslims.

Science of Mechanics

The development of the science of mechanics in Islam is an act of genius. Moosaa bin Shaakir described one hundred pieces of mechanical equipment in his book of artifices. Other outstanding Muslim treatises included Al Kitaab Fi Ma`rifat Al-Hiya Al-Handasiyyah (The Book of the Knowledge of Ingenious Geometrical Contrivances) by Abul Fiaz bin Al Raz and Al Kitaab Meezanal-Hikmah (The Book of Balance and Wisdom) by Al-Khazini. He also did work on accurate weighing, and determination of the specific gravity of substances.

Camera Obscura

In the field of optics, Camera Obscura was invented by Ibn Haytham in 1038 CE.

Theory of Relativity

Qaadhi Abu Bakr had developed the theory of relativity in the 8th century CE in terms of time and space by means of mathematical equations and astrophysics. Imagine, Einstein was not even born in the Western world, who propounded the same theory of relativity much later in the 20th century CE.

Geography

As far as geography was concerned, Muslim scientists established that the world was round in the 9th century CE, and the first map of the globe was made during the Caliphate of Ma’moon.

Paper Making

This was one of the earliest skills attained by the Muslims. As early as the 8th century CE, high quality paper was being manufactured in Samarqand. Egypt was known to have its first paper mill in the year 900 CE. The earliest Arabic manuscript written on paper that has been discovered is the Ghareeb Al Hadeeth by Abu ‘Ubayed, dated 837 CE. It can be seen in Holland preserved in the library at the University of Leyden.

Advances in Industry

Under Islamic rule, Spain was an industrial center. It was one of the wealthiest and most thickly populated of the European countries. Muslims were leading in weaving wool, producing silk, pottery, jewelry, leather and perfume industry. In the Middle Ages, world trade was commanded by Muslims and Baghdad Bukhaara and Samarqand remained centers for world fairs until the 16th century CE. The Bayt Al-Hikmah at Cairo contained two million books, the library at Tripoli contained some three million, but this library was burned down by the Christians during the first Crusade.

[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33153432]Get your facts right, Many christians do not believe in trinity but you were not patient to ask but rather you generalise!

from my own findings;

#The word TRINITY was never found in the bible but scholars tried to insinuate such but i dont accept anything outside bible just the way i would not accept anything outside quaran
#jesus attest to the fact that he is a servant of God, and God is the 'Only true God' three persons CANNOT be reffered as 'only'
john 17:3 .......'And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent'.


Thus, the Church teaches that while there is only One God, yet there are Three who are God—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—perfectly united and never divided yet not merged into one with no proper distinction. How then does the Church defend its doctrine that God is both One and yet Three?

Bible Verses Supporting Trinity

John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen. ([The second [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, [a city] of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.])

Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:   (Read More...)

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 5:7-8 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.   (Read More...)

John 14:16-17 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;   (Read More...)

Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Philippians 2:5-8 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:   (Read More...)

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 1:1-51 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   (Read More...)

1 Peter 1:2 - Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Ephesians 4:4-6 - [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;   (Read More...)

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 - Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, [is] God;   (Read More...)

John 10:30-36 - I and [my] Father are one.   (Read More...)

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Bible Verses Against Trinity

we list 16 scriptures that prove that Jesus was not God and that the Holy spirit was not Jesus and not God...

Buster1

 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him, but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come (Matthew 12).

So the holy spirit and the Son are not co-equal and are different beings.

Buster2

15 He said to them: You, though, who do you say I am?
16 In answer Simon Peter said: You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 In response Jesus said to him: Happy you are, Simon, son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal [it] to you, but my Father who is in the heavens did (Matthew 16).

So God revealed it not Jesus, so they are two different spirits.

Buster3

23 He said to them: You will indeed drink my cup, but this sitting down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father (Matthew 20).

So God and Jesus have separate possessions.

Buster4

18 Jesus said to him: Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God (Mark 10).

So God is good and Jesus is not, so they are different people with different characters and different levels of righteousness.

Buster5

36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father (Matthew 24).

So God knows things that Jesus does not know. So they have no 'unity of Godhead'.

Buster6

1 Do not let your hearts be troubled. Exercise faith in God. Exercise faith also in me (John 14).

Two different beings to put your faith in.

Buster7

28 You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming [back] to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am (John 14).

So the two of them are not co-equal then.

Buster8

42 saying: Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let not my will, but yours take place (Luke 22).

So God and Jesus have two different wills. So there is no 'unity of Godhead'.

Buster9

41 Therefore they took the stone away. Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
42 True, I knew that you always hear me; but on account of the crowd standing around I spoke, in order that they might believe that you sent me forth (John 11).

So God sent Jesus forth, and God himself remained entirely in heaven whilst Jesus was on the earth.

Buster10

9 You must pray, then, this way: Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified (Matthew 6).

Jesus himself was entirely on earth and God was entirely in heaven when he said this!

Buster11 (we were enjoying ourselves so much)!

46 About the 9th hour Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27).

One cannot easily forsake oneself can one! The Father was God of the son. The son was not God of the father. This was one of Sir Isaac Newton's anti trinity arguments.

As a final argument, if it is true that Jesus and God are the same person, then Jesus talked to himself in public, and prayed to himself in private and so was in fact a schizophrenic. This is plainly a false insult both to God and to his Son.

Buster12 (and another thing...)

16 The one alone having immortality [aqanasian], dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no one of men has seen, nor is able to see (1 Timothy 6).

Literally aqanasian means 'without death'. So God has not died and will never die. Whereas of course Jesus has died. Therefore Jesus is not God - QED.

Buster13 (why stop?)

5 So too the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but [was glorified by him] who spoke with reference to him: You are my son; I, today, I have become your father.
6 Just as he says also in another place: You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.
7 In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.
8 Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered;
9 and after he had been made perfect he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,
10 because he has been specifically called by God a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek (Hebrews 5)

One cannot be a priest of oneself. Jesus must be a different person to God in order that he can be God's priest. Just as Melchizedek was a different person to God. God became Jesus' father again by saving him out of death, by resurrecting him.

Buster14

23 But each one in his own rank: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence.
24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power (1 Corinthians15).

How do you hand over something to yourself?
Buster 15

10 I was cast on You from the womb, from My mother's belly, You are My God (Psalm 22 - GLT)

David is speaking as Jesus here (hence JP Green uses a capital Y for 'you'. Jesus doesh not say: I am my God. He says: You are my God.
My GOD which one we go belive na? Hmmhmn!

Papist:
My brother is it not because the statement Allahu Akbar is associated with Islamic terrorism?

If the phrase GOD IS GREAT means Terrorism then you have gone a long way to confirm that it terrifies all the AGENT of DEVIL because you are already terrified by it.

Papist:
You must have pulled these figures out of your a@#. The Spanish Inquisition in 300 years killed less people than Islamic terrorists kill in one year. I wont bother with the rest of your post.

Thankgod you have admitted that christians are culpable too.
You knew you can't stand the truths let alone defending yourself thats why you couldn't summon courage to read all the post.Truth is better!

[quote author=tiger28 . Again why is Jesus the ONLY personality that Mohammed EVER referred to as THE MESSIAH?

The Descriptive Titles of Jesus in the Quran:

      The Messiah

Prior to the appearance of Jesus, belief in the coming of the Messiah has been a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism.  It is part of Maimonides’ Thirteen Articles of Faith which are considered the minimum requirements of Jewish belief.[5]In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer[6], recited three times daily, modern Jewry prays for the Messiah who will be their king from the line of David to come and restore the glories of its golden age.  In Hebrew, ‘Messiah’ means the ‘anointed one.’  It is interesting to note that the Old Testament prophecy emphasizes the humanity of the Messiah by referring to him as the "son of man" (Daniel 7: 13)[7]  and not God.

The ideology of the Messiah has a central position in Christian theology.  According to the Bible, Jesus claimed to be the expected Messiah of the Jews (John 4:25-26)[8],  but they rejected him.  Therefore, Christians apply ‘Christ’ - the Greek word for ‘Messiah’ - to Jesus.  In addition, they also maintain the Messiah will be the son of God.

The Quran corrects Jews and Christians in their excesses.  It considers the Jews to be in the right in believing the Messiah to be human, but equates their rejection of Jesus to disbelief,

"And (We cursed them) for their disbelief… and their boastful claim: Indeed, we have killed the [so-called] Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God.  And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him." (Quran 4:156-157)

On the other hand, the Quran agrees with the Christians who identify Jesus to be the Messiah, but considers their insistence that the Messiah is the son of God to be blasphemy:

"Indeed, they are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, the son of Mary.’" (Quran 5:72)

The truth, according to the Quran, is that:

"The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger; messengers before him had indeed passed away." (Quran 5:75)

Furthermore, the Quran states that the Messiah called to the worship of "the true God" like all the prophets before him:

"But the Messiah said, ‘O Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’" (Quran 5:72)

BERNIMOORE:
Thank God Jesus did not say 'to strike with sword' lets see what he mean;

prophecy about jesus in the book of isaiah describes the sword;
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+49&version=NKJV

Isaiah 49:2
And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword;
In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me,
And made Me a polished shaft;
In His quiver He has hidden Me

jesus said here again;

Revelation 2:16
16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.


This cannot be said about about

quaran Surat Al-'Anfāl (The Spoils of War) سورة الأنفال http://quran.com/8/12 which directs muslim believer to directly behead, cut off, slaughter and strike a perceived umbeliever (God have mercy)

Surat Al-'Anfāl 8;12
[size=14pt]''so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."[/size]

You should have asked yourself why the Christendom still kill despite Jesus not striking anyone in his life.Read this

Crusades (1095-1291)

First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]
9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]
Until Jan 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]
after 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women & children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents—save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40]
(In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude"
The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20 million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33180127]na fear dey catch you abeg, quote anything and i would deal with it squarely!

shying away when met with facts anyway the point has been made, we can continue from here, you did not debunk my facts because i am not a muslim, i dont need to be, and will never be but let muslims mind their business and let others live, quaran too should leave christians because bible did not condemn muslims, what can you call these if not invitation to fight; this is not a fake site http://quran.com/9/30 quaran directly caling christians to be destroyed



Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword

Said who JESUS!

Show us how many years he waited before being commanded to face them back (in quaran verses only as any concortion will not be accepted) or be forever silent![/quote]Freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses to.

109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion

(4) Be patient with unbelievers and let Allah judge:

73:10 And bear with patience what they utter, and part from them with a fair leave-taking. [3, Mecca]

10:109 And (O Muhammad) follow that which is inspired in thee, and forbear until Allah give judgment. And He is the Best of Judges. [51, Mecca]

(5) Just warn, not coerce, the infidels.

50:45 We are Best Aware of what they say, and thou (O Muhammad) art in no wise a compeller over them. But warn by the Qur'an him who feareth My threat.

10:99: And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldst thou (Muhammad) compel men until they are believers?

(6) Show kindness and tolerance toward infidels.

7:199 Keep to forgiveness (O Muhammad), and enjoin kindness, and turn away from the ignorant.

After 13 years of preaching Muhammad in Mecca, he was allegedly forced to flee Mecca in 622 to Medina, where almost all his followers had already migrated. And these Mecca teachings culminated into one of the most famous Quranic verse 2:256, urging 'no compulsion in religion':

“There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.”
My brother it was when he got to Medinah that God commanded him to figt back when the Meccan unbelievers still wage War him on the Muslims.
When the persecution became unbearable for the muslims God Commanded:

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.” [Al-Qur’an 2:190-191]

falopey:
Cristians that indulge in atrocities did that out of their own volition. He will never have the gut to say he is doing the bidding of Jesus Christ or attributing it to Christianity because he knows what he is doing has no place in Christ teaching to his followers christians but rather to his selfish ambition. Just to your unfonded lies.

Look at Hypocray!The moment they revealed your artrocities you begin to talk frm the corner of your mouth try to defend your religion but you don't say that when muslims make same statement to defend their religion!

17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the bosoms of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany.

Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]

falopey:
In fact Muhammad copied texts from the old testament that's y there are many similar stories in both books. Bible was written by inspire Jewish men of God from Moses to John. Not brought down from heaven as lied by Muhammad. The books of the bible were written centuries before islam and kept separately by their different writers but were later brought together and compiled in the early centuries.

There was no Arabic translation of the Bible available during the Prophet’s time. For a detailed account of this subject, read the article: Is The Bible Really The Source of The Quran?

Ernst Würthwein informs us in his book, The Text Of The Old Testament:

“With the victory of Islam the use of Arabic spread widely and for Jews and Christians in the conquered lands it became the language of daily life. This gave rise to the need of Arabic versions of the Bible, which need was met by a number of versions mainly independent and concerned primarily for interpretation.” (Ernst Würthwein, The Text Of The Old Testament (Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1988, pp. 104.)

Thus, the first translations of the Hebrew Bible in Arabic appeared after the advent of Islam. In fact, the oldest dated manuscript of the Old Testament in Arabic dates from the first half of the ninth century.

What about the New Testament?

 Sidney H Griffith, who has done extensive research on the appearance of Arabic and the New Testament says:
“The oldest dated manuscript containing the Gospels in Arabic is Sinai Arabic MS 72. Here the text of the four canonical Gospels is marked off according to the lessons of the temporal cycle of the Greek liturgical calendar of the Jerusalem Church.  

A colophon informs us that the MS was written by Stephen of Ramleh in the year 284 of the Arabs, i.e., 897 AD.” (Sidney H Griffith, The Gospel in Arabic: An Enquiry into Its Appearance in the First Abbasid Century, Oriens Christianus, Volume 69, p. 131-132.)

2. It is well-known that the Prophet did not know how to read or write: he was illiterate. So there was no question of his plagiarizing the Bible, even if an Arabic copy did in fact exist in his time. What then of the charge that he was taught by some Christians?

Allah the Almighty answered the criticism fourteen centuries ago in these verses, which say what means:

{Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled. Nor does he say [aught] of [his own] desire. It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by One Mighty in power.} (An-Najm 53:2–5)

[quote author=falopey post=33160290]Continue deluding your self. You can form whatever you want to believe. But hear this that Jesus came to fulfill the law does not mean he came to fulfill the punishments for breaking of the law. It is when you break the law that y areou received the punishment. Or law is the same thing in meaning as it's consequence for freaking it? Just testing your grammatical understanding... How did Jesus fulfill the law? He did that by preaching love because if you love God you will keep all those laws without anyone forcing you.

If you love your neighbors you will not hurt in any way. Not steal his belongings, not kill him as that's not the case in Islam, not slander him.

In fact by that alone you will be able to fulfill and keep all the laws. Do old testament and new testament the same writing or book? Of course by their name one is old and the other new, you know that.

In the old testament God himself executed judgment on people that sin, you have heard about people that God made land to open up and swallow, people that fire came down and consume? And so on. God himself did it in the old testament. But God doesn't do that anymore because he has made a new testament/covenant with us through Jesus Christ. That now he is asking us to repent and be forgiven instead of being stoned to death for our seen. He has had enough of that. That's y Jesus came.

In fact Muhammad copied texts from the old testament that's y there are many similar stories in both books. Bible was written by inspire Jewish men of God from Moses to John. Not brought down from heaven as lied by Muhammad. The books of the bible were written centuries before islam and kept separately by their different writers but were later brought together and compiled in the early centuries.[/quote)


How did Jesus fulfill the law? He did that by preaching love because if you love God you will keep all those laws without anyone forcing you.

And I ask you again are your clerics ignorant of what Jesus preached in the bible when these happened?
Religious Wars

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain. [DO31]
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]
 Jews

Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.
In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
17. Council of Toledo 694: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]
Second Crusade: 1147. Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90. [DO40]
Fulda/Germany 1235: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]
1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.
What a shame!

Papist:
Ah come on. A devout Christian is like Jesus whereas a devout Muslim is like Muhammad. See for example wat would happen in a plane if someone shouted allahu akbar....pandemonium.

You begin to see all the agents of Satan shivering!

[quote author=tiger28 post=33180427].MOHAMMAD even didnt know where is soul might end up.


Those Christians saying the above statement are just pure Ignorant of Islam and will on wait to only be spoon-fed by their fellow Ignoramus.
Talking about the BLIND leading another BLIND MAN.


Everyone of my followers will enter Jannat (Paradise) except he who refused. He (the Rasool of Allah) was asked: And who has refused (truth)? He said: Whosoever obeys me shall enter Jannat (Paradise) and whoever disobeys me has refused. (Sahih Bukhari)

ALLAH [S.W.T]’s Apostle [S.A.W.S] said, “Whoever after listening to the Adhaan says, ‘Allahumma Rabba hadhihi-d-da’ watit-tammati was-salatil qa’imati, ati Muhammadan al-wasilata wal-fadilata, wab’ athhu maqaman mahmudan-il-ladhi wa’ adtahu (O ALLAH! LORD of this perfect call (of not ascribing partners to YOU) and of the regular prayer which is going to be established! Kindly give Muhammad the right of intercession and superiority and send him (on the Day of Judgment) to the best and the highest place in Paradise which YOU promised him)’, then intercession for me will be permitted for him on the Day of Resurrection”).

Muhammad (saw) and the first nation to enter Paradise will be his ummah. The first member of this ummah to enter will be Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra).

Muslim also reported from Anas that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "I will come to the gates of paradise and ask for it to be opened. The gatekeeper will ask, "Who are you?" I will say, "Muhammad". The gatekeeper will say, "I was ordered not to open the gate for anyone else before you"". [Saheeh Muslim]

Bukhaari, Muslim and an-Nasaa'ee report from Abu Hurayrah (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said: "We are the last, but we will be the first on the Day of Resurrection. We will be the first of mankind to enter Paradise".

Abu Dawood reports from Abu Hurayrah (ra) that the Prophet (saw) said, "Jibreel came to me, and showed me the gate of Paradise through which my ummah will enter". Abu Bakr said, "O Messenger of Allah (saw), would that I had been with you to see it!". The Messenger of Allah (saw) "But you, O Abu Bakr, will be the first of my ummah to enter Paradise".

tiger28:
can everyone see the nonsense this mumu just typed??I asked you to show me where in the WHOLE Quran the word LOVE is written and you are showing me gibberish. Are you uneducated not to understand my question?the problem that you have is that the Quran is too VILE to include the most powerful word in any language LOVE. Why did the Quran ONLY explain Jesus virgin birth and not other PROPHETS.the difference is that you CAN NOT compare Mohammed to Jesus because Jesus is NOT a prophet but a MESSIAH (A DELIVERER as defined by the dictionary ) does the QURAN SPEND so much time about the miraculous divinity and exploits of Jesus EVEN more than Mohammed? even MARY(mariam) has a book written about her in the Quran . Again why is Jesus the ONLY personality that Mohammed EVER referred to as THE MESSIAH? ??What miracles did Mohammed EVER performed unlike Jesus who healed the blind and RAISED the dead as your Quran explained. Are you still comparing Jesus to any of your so called PROPHETS? ?.MOHAMMAD even didnt know where is soul might end up but he was clear to say that Jesus is coming back to save mankind from the antichrist. NO ONE has clearly answered my question articulately one by one except the USUAL gibberish. Abeg take your blood thirsty religion somewhere else jor! !

You are jst a. Heard heart fellow.If you

simsing:
running away from which past.
the christians said that those text you outlined are no longer in practice with reasons. it that so difficult for your comprehension?

No longer in practise yet we still see and hear their artrocities all around world after jesus had left.I ask you again the collonial masters and their crimes against blacks are still fresh in our memory.Are they not christians?The killings amongst the christian cleric over who becomes the next pope we read it the History of the Church were commited by who?christians

tiger28:
if Jesus and Mohammed are the same please tell us why Jesus is the ONLY chosen one to fight the antichrist as your Quran said? ?? How can a normal human being fight Satan? ?why not Mohammed or moses or other PROPHETS as you said. Which HUMAN BEING has ever been born by a virgin in the history of humanity ??your Quran alluded that he was born from a virgin Mary, why were the other PROPHETS not born from a virgin?? Your Quran even quoted Jesus raising the dead back to life, did any of the PROPHETS raise any dead Now answer this last one, show me where in your Quran where Mohammed called other prophets MESSIAH but Jesus was the only one he called MESSIAH.check your dictionary and find the meaning of MESSIAH and corrolate it with the story of Jesus. Lastly, I have seen the gibberish being typed by Muslims since the creation of this thread but NO ONE of them can show me a passage in the Quran with the word LOVE.these questions should have simple answers abi? ?? For your info, all I have said can be cross-checked by research any day because they all FACTUAL. AWAITING PROMPT responses please. Thank you!

In respect to your question about Love in the quran you can read these:
Quran 16v19. Indeed Allah(GOD)enjoins justice and doing of Good to others;and giving to people(kindred)and forbid indecency and manifest evil and tressgression.He (GOD)admonished that you may take heed.

Quran 35v36. Good and Evil are not equal,repel Evil with that which is Good between whom and thyself was enmity so that he were a warm friend to you.
Quran 93v11. And him who seek thy help chide not.
You can help yourslf by checking-
Quran 29v9
Quran 2v21
These are just few of the numerous verses on love,kindness,mercy and forgiveness etc
If you understood what i posted you won't be asking this questions about Moses,Muhammed and other prophets not being given the task to fight the Anti-Christ?
The fact is Jesus mission was yet to be completed that's why God is bringing him back again to come and refute all the blasphemies about him and also to put things in the right perspective concerning his miraclous birth,his messages and beliefs,not crucified, his religion,is being a prophet and not God,to bring the people of the world to serve One true GOD and to wage war on the anti-christ.
The question now is do you now expect other prophets who had completed their mission,to come back their Graves to join him in the fight against anti christ?Common sense tells us that since the anti-christ will appear during the second coming of christ the the job of fighting the anti-christ is not in anyway wrong for God to give the task to Jesus because the impostor's coming coincise with Jesus coming .Remember the name of the impostor is called Anti-christ because is coming during Jesus second coming.I want to ask you again that if this evil person was to come during the time of Muhammad,Moses,Abraham,Elijah and so on will jesus be the one to come and fight him of cause not.The task would have been give to any of the Prophets in whose time the evil imposter appeared.Everything needed to be knowm abt the impostor or anti-christ has been mentioned and explained to Muslim by Muhammad.

In respect to being born by a Virgin.Please quote me a bible verse that said that other prophets were not born by virgins.If you don't know.what you are saying is that their mothers were not Virgins before they got married.May God forgive you because your are full of ignorance.
In view of working miracles,it is obvious that you are not conversant with your bible let alone knowing much about the Holy Quran.Please I beg you go and meet your Pastors who are vast about bible to show places were other Prophets work Miracles.Moses,elijah,jonah etc did even righteous men who are not prophets did.If you want to know the miracles of muhammed they are abound in the Hadiths of Muhammed consult it.
Mind you Jesus said a wicked and adultrous generation seeketh after miracles (mathew 12v39)
Seriously you still have a long way too go.

y[quote author=falopey post=33138257]One thing you have to know is that the old and new testaments are two separate books of the bible. The old testament was written in the dispensation of law (the law by the prophet Moses) whereby it was deemed that the soul that sinned must died. Now God is no more interested in the death of any sinners, but rather to repent and be forgiven. And because it would not profit God anything that someone steals and he is amputated, that someone commit adultery and she is stoned to death, new testament was given by the coming of Jesus Christ to bring reformation to those instant judgement laws. So that we may all have forgiveness instead of death by stoning, decapitation, amputation as still practiced by Muslims. Old testament was the book being used before Jesus came by the jews in Jewish religion.

That's why they wanted to stone a woman for committing adultery (Moses law commands that) but Jesus said he who was without sin should cast the first stone. One after the other, all the accusers felt guilty and ran away. Jesus now told her that her sins were forgiven. That's the kind of reform that Jesus brought to the old testament and which he has taught us Christians to observe. Because the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death, death by swords, by stoning , by behead. All of those things you mention about the old testament are there now for our learning and reference. But every other law in the old testament that is based on life, love and forgiveness in Christ Jesus are still upheld because they are in consonant with the reform Jesus has brought to Judaism that now gave birth to Christianity.
Also I would like you to go back and study historical fact better and get to understand why crusaders fought in the holy land and who started the fight if not Muslims that invaded a land not there own to forcefully drive away jews the original inhabitants and forcefully convert them by sword. And go back to check who started the fight in Yugoslavia. When things turn around against Muslim
s, they will start playing victim[/q


You are a pathologica lier,I want to tell u that you have only confirmed our assertion that you christians would always want to runaway from your ugly past because it doesn't favour you. You knew quite well that those obnoxious laws in the bible rubbish your acclaimed intergrety.
Now let me inform you that the same Jesus that you claimed that he taught you forgiveness and love,proclaimed that he came to Fulfil those Sinful Laws and not destroy them.Afterall you Christians claim Jesus is God.Meaning that he gave the prophets of the old testament those wicked laws.
My question to is that didn't he know that forgivens and love are better than Sword and killings in the old testament before he gave the sinful Laws to them?
Are you also telling me that all the righteous people in the old testament knew or heard about forgiveness and love and refused to practise them?That you are now telling me that it only when Jesus came that people practise forgiveness and love.
Can you quote me where it is in the bible that the concept of forgiveness and love existed but never practised by the believers in the in the old testament?If what Jesus taught you christians in the New Testament is in Consonance with what we have in the Old Testament why did you claime that the two Testaments are to diffrent Books?Two diffrent books equally means not Compartible in beliefs and Doctrines and Perhaps their GOD are different too because you have painted one Wicked and Harsh while the later you painted Kind and Merciful.
But if you argue that GODS are the same.Then you are telling us that GOD Almighty decided to repent from his Sinful ways and make amend in the New Testament.Remember that God said that HE his not like a Man to Repent neither a son of man to lie.....
But again your jesus said he did not come with peace but Sword.He went further to announced that that he came to seperate the sons from their father.....
Despite the fact that yuor clerics know that Jesus preaches love and forgiveness,yet they still found it difficult to forgive their enemies when the need arised. If you are saying the muslims were the agressors back then in Jerusalem,lets assumed its true, which I know is not.Again why did the Christians then couldn't forgive their enemies and show them love that Jesus asked you to practise.Did he not tell you that if they SLAP you on the right Cheek that you should turn your left?
In as much as you tried to present you Christians as Holy, your past and present still informs us of the blood of innocest people is still in your hands.

Talking about the fact that the Old and New Testament are two different books.It is better u Christians remove it from your bible if its not relevant to you anymore.Afterall there were so many Scripture your people removed from the arrays of Scriptures available to the Council of Nicea sitting that eventually determined the Scriptures that would form the bible today.Those rejected were rejected on the ground that they are doubtful(Apocrepha) although the Catholic included them in their own Bible.I wonder which of these bibles is the Complete and Authentic One?
So my brother there is no amount explanation that you can give that vindicate the christians of not beign culpable too.
In respect to stoning of the adultress woman,Jesus is not a hypocrite like Jews and their wicked Scribe who always wanted to administer the Laws on masses who fall short of the Laws despite the fact that they themselves were the first to brake the laws but felt they were above the Laws.Jesus knew that it would be a serious injustice to the woman if he allowed them to carry out the judgement on her because their generation was an adultrous and wicked generation. So Jesus knew what is good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

simsing:
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yes, u just mention that islam is one of the signs of end time playing out. menn end of discussion.
see, go to anywhere in this world were people claim to truly practice Islam. u find out that they are stone hearted, incredible wicked with their laws, and cannot tolerate other religion.
These characteristics make Islam the terror to the peace of the world.
so, yes Islam is an end time playing out. if we keep watching the world will burn.
And did u say something about hate speeches, I still maintain the fact that your god is blood sucking because many more people will lose their lives if the world leaders don't find a lasting solution to this barbaric religion.
And please stop comparing Christianity with Islam, no match.
Islam is not a match with Buddha or IFA or amadioha.
Islam is a match with cultism like ogboni and co

I can see that your ignorance is second to none.You claim people can't even stay in the moslems land because of their laws and yet a lot of non muslims travel to Dubai,Abu Dahbi,qatar,kuwait,saudi arabia to find lively hood there.Even the crises prone areas like egypt,lebanon,tunisia we still find foreigners doing business and living there.Some even go there till date on tourism and you are here peddling lies.
Again you have confirmed that you are ignorant fellow because if our God is blood sucking,what will you call your God in the bible with the numerous command to belivers to kill poeple of other faith unjustly.Go and check the bible refrences we muslims on this forum asked you christians check if you won't be shock to your spine about what you will discover.
You are jst an empty barell that makes the loudest noise.Keep playing the fool hardy till the truth elude you.

[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=33123463]have you accepted the fact that quaran was a problem even instruction muslims like shekau to kill fellow hypocrites muslims?


Top Ten Ways Islamic Law forbids Terrorism
By Juan Cole | Apr. 17, 2013 |

Erik Rush and others who hastened to scapegoat Muslims for the Boston Marathon bombing are ignorant of the religion. I can’t understand why people who have never so much as read a book about a subject appoint themselves experts on it. (Try this book, e.g.). We don’t yet know who carried out the attack, but we know they either aren’t Muslims at all or they aren’t real Muslims, in the nature of the case.
For the TLDR crowd, here are the top ten ways that Islamic law and tradition forbid terrorism (some of these points are reworked from previous postings):
1. Terrorism is above all murder. Murder is strictly forbidden in the Qur’an. Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”
2. If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in Medina in 622 AD or after and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly choose it.
3. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”
4. In the Islamic law of war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of the state, as advised by the mufti or national jurisconsult.
5. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)
6. Terrorism or hirabah is forbidden in Islamic law, which groups it with brigandage, highway robbery and extortion rackets– any illicit use of fear and coercion in public spaces for money or power. The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent [pdf] Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”
7. Sneak attacks are forbidden. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent. The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice.
8. The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)
9. The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]
10. The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.
When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and some Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say:
5:82. ” . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers [Muslims] those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.”
So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them “nearest in love” to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride.

simsing:
and how is your religion better than ogboni fraternity

Sorry you don't know most of the Ogbonis are in the Churches today to bad for you.Majority of your Pastors are members if you don't know.That's where they derive their powers from,using it on you people in name of working strange miracles.You know them very well like you know the back of your hands.
They tried to stay in Islam but they couldn't back then because they find Islam not a good breeding ground for them so they fled.In lagos island alone the Muslims gave them a tough time that they had to murder one of the clerics then but the law ran it cause on them duely.However, your churches warmly welcome them in their mist.

simsing:
in as much as you will never believe what the christian preach to you, then they don't have to accept your Islam
how has Islam better the world ( nothing)
what has Islam contributed to the world (catastrophes).
I don't care how many bible passages u have memorised or what Islamic education you have. many people are terrorised by your religion and when we try to question your belief and practises you are quick to point accusing fingers to christianity like they are the cause of your misfortune.
Christians don't compare themselves with Islam, no way.
you guys will keep digging out bible verses to remain relevant and to give yourselves reasons to defend your inadequacies and low self esteem.

As you christians keep digging out the verses of the quran marliciously to dent the image of Islam and also keep yourself relevant too.If you are leaving in glass house you don't throw stones.
As per the contribution of Islam to the world do yourself a favour by searching on the internet and you will be surprise about what you will discover which will make you more enlightened about Islam positively. Enlightened one outside our shores and even inside will never ascribe Islam to violence because what is playing out today does not leave out the hands of Some powers to be in the world.
I want to ask you have you questioned your beliefs and practises before asking others?If you did you would have known that what you christians accuse islam of are much more in your scriptures and that your religion too also went through her own triying times during the Dark Age.
Has any of you said any good things about Islam even though a lot of you moslems who are good people.Some of you even leave with them and also have them as friends.Yet you generalise as if that's what being a muslim is all about.Do we also generalise those christian groups that have perpetrated Evils are representation of what christians and their religion are?
I will advise you care about knowledge someone has because knowlegde is power and a means to escape from bigotry,sentiment and freedom from deciet.Your bible says seek ye the truth and truth shall set you free.

simsing:
some Christians on this forum have given series of explanations why some text in the old testament are no longer practiced, do you agree (no).
stop using those texts, Christians don't practice them.
Muslims commits open murder and they are proud of it, allocating the glory to Allah, they fast and pray like Muslims do and carry out the gruesome mandate that your god sent them.
And what do you do, you defend them by quoting old testament text.
you can as well quoate from orunmila SMH

You can't runaway from your past no matter how hard you tried ok. So long everything you alleged the moslems of are found in your bible you are also culpable.Even if you christians claim that you don't believe the old testament anymore you would only go along way to confirm your attitude of running from pillar to post.And please dont ever quote from the old testament to butress any of your claims anymore since you don't believe in it why did you include it your bible because you knew your scripture is not complete without it .Keep decieving yourslves.