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dolphinheart:
I used the bible as the bases for my explanations .

They the isrealites have rules relating to the discovery of leprosy, quarantining humans, objects and houses is not cure , but a preventive method to ensure the desease does not spread. The mosaic law did not state a process of treating a leprosy infested person, but it states how to check it, confirm
It, and prevent it from spreading to others. chapter 13 of leviticus helps us to understand this and what lepers have to do, and where to go.
If the person, object , house is discovered to be free/healed of the desease , the cleansing process starts , if the human, object ,house is found to still have the desease after periodic checks , the cleasing process does not occur . I dnt know how this is hard for you to beli eve , I've shown you the bible chapters and verses to show you the truth, you have seen the truth there, but decided to push it away and favour the words of a man because he is a certified authority. Is the leader of isis not an educated certified authority?. Thought the bible was the source of ur initial statements, now you dnt want to use it again to propagate your false accusations.
The bible is the bases for our discussion and all the places where cleansing is mentioned in relation to leprosy is when the human, object , house has already been cured, then the ceremonial religous cleansing can occur. This verses I very much pointed out to you.

I asked you to prove urself not a liar and hypocrite with you accusations ,you have not addressed that . You have just re-engineered the false accusation in a more subtle tone to hide the effect of my reprisal and questions . You dnt get off lightly, ill still put the tab of liar and hypocrite on you if you dnt respond to my initial questions.

I never said I dnt believe in the mosaic law. The mosaic law is from God . if I'm wrong about the source of the mosaic law, pls tell Me, and pls tell the whole world why you , yes you, dnt follow the mosaic law, failure to do so will show the hypocrisy in you. First tell us the source of the mosaic law and why you dnt follow it.

lI'm beggining to fear the desperation at which you attach derogatory words to ur discussion, is that your natural behavior? to trying to make the bible look bad to justify the koran and hadihts?.
You guys have not come to a conclusion on the camel pias and fly wings issue, you now want to drag the bible into it.

One more question , leviticus chapter 14 that you posted , is it part of the book God gave to the isrealites (moses) , or its a false story that was fabricated and included into the scriptures? .

The more you comment the more you display your ignorance.It seems you just argue just for the fun it.Anyway let me educate you here again that logically if you claim that you are not obliged to follow a particular laws it inveriably means you don't believe in that book where the laws are found.So you are the pathological liar and also pure hypocrite for holding unto a book which you are not obliged to follow.Just a common sense!
Now you are claiming again that you believe in the laws again but you are not obliged to follow them.How can you believe in laws that you are not ready to follow?So if a christian tells you he believes in Jesus but he his not obliged to follow him what will you tell him? The answer is that he is not a believer. Simple!

But please hear what another christian scholar said again about your assertion that your obliged to follow the laws in the old testament.
Obviously commands in the Mosaic Law are important, for they make up a substantial portion of God's written revelation. Yet the Old Testament contains many laws that seem strange to modern readers (e.g., "Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk," Exod. 34:26; "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material," Lev. 19:19; "Make tassels on the four corners of the cloak you wear," Deut. 22:12).[1]

Christians violate a number of Old Testament laws with some regularity (e.g., "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing," Deut. 22:5; "Rise in the presence of the aged," Lev. 19:32; "The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses," Deut. 14:.

Furthermore, while believers tend to ignore many Old Testament laws, they embrace others, especially the Ten Commandments, as the moral underpinnings of Christian behavior (e.g., "Love your neighbor as yourself," Lev. 19:18; "You shall not commit murder," Exod. 20:13; "You shall not commit adultery," Deut. 5:18).

Why do Christians adhere to some laws and ignore others? Which ones are valid and which are not? Many Christians today make this decision based merely on whether a law seems to be relevant. Surely this haphazard and existential approach to interpreting the Old Testament Laws is inadequate.

In respect to your question why we muslims don't follow the mosaic laws?
Your questions illogical because the mosaic scripture is part of your bible but yet you christians refused to follow it and you still have the guts to ask muslims why we don't follow it?Is that not another sign of hypocrasy in you.

However, let me make it known to you that Muslims believes in all the prophets of God and their scriptures.

“Say, (O believers), “We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims (in submission) to Him.”
Quran chapter 2 verse 136

That is why the laws of islam are similar to the mosaic laws but with some variations(improvement).In fact many of the sharia laws are found in the mosaic laws which muslims practise today.

In respect to your question on leviticus.whether it was given to moses or fabricated?hear what your theologians said about it

The traditional view is that Leviticus was compiled by Moses, or that the material in it goes back to his time, but internal clues suggest that the book developed much later in Israel's history and was completed either near the end of the Judean monarchy in the late seventh century BCE or in the exilic and post-exilic period of the sixth and fifth centuries BCE.

I want to tell that if you believe it was fabricated that means you have again confirmed that your bible contains defects and therefore one can't believe that God inspired those who wrote it because God is perfect he doesn't commit flaws.He is not an author of confusion.
But if you believe it was given to moses, so be it.The buttom line is that the book of leviticus is part of your bible whatever problems you people have with it is your problem. period!

dolphinheart:
Abusive words will not help you in anyway . Maybe that's how you where taught to relate with others or maybe you think using such words makes you sound truthfull , I dnt know. But I wunt degrade My self or my reply with such words.

I'm not a fraudstar and I will prove you wrong.

Like I warn others, ill warn you about twisting words and making statements not attributed to me.
Pls where did I state that "cleansing is not the same meaning with treatment for leprosy in the bible".

Ur refusal to provide a post I used the same exact words in my sentence will put the tag of "liar" of you.

There is also something I want you to understand, being clean or unclean under the mosaic law is far far more than the contacting of deseases, it includes spiritual and social matters. There is a process that the isrealites follow in being termed as clean when they have been previously unclean and most of these process includes a ceremonial cleansing , but that ceremonial cleansing is done after the person or thing has been certified as clean, eg free from the disease, has received pardon for his spiritual sins or has done the right thing in their society.

In the bible,during moses time, there is no physical cure for leprosy , ur thinking that the bible provides a cure for leprosy is where you are getting the whole proccess wrong .the whole process in the case of leprosy is to prevent further spread of the desease and to certify a victim of the desease as healed or cured of the desease. That the bible does not provide a cure does not mean that individuals do not get cured .

A post by a so called Christian cleric does not ascertain the truth. The truth is in the bible and that's what we will use shortly .

Pls tell me and the whole world how I denied the old testament. Pls tell me what I did or say to make you think I dnt believe in the old testament. pls do not leave this aspect out in ur reply, pls do not or the tag hypocrite! Will fall on you.

Now let's use the bible to clarify the truth.

Leviticus chapter 13 states how God told the isrealite priest to identify leprosy in man or object, its contagious capability and the next process or processes to follow, after these processes are followed, the man, object is declared clean or unclean by the priest and will remain unclean until being declared clean again by the priest. The process of being delared clean is called cleansing(verse 2 of chapter 14) and can only be done if the unclean person or object has been healed of the desease (verse 3). If he has not been healed of the desease, the priest will continue to declare him unclean and the cleansing will not occur. These shows you that the ceremonial cleansing you are talking about is not part of the treatment or healing of a man or object with leprosy, for he must have been healed before such cleasing occur.

In the case of a house, verse 48 of lev chapter 14 states that the priest will examine the house to see if the plague has gone , if it is gone, the house is declared clean , if it is not gone, then house is destroyed. If the house is clean/healed, the ceremonial cleasing can begin , and if its not , then no cleansing can occur. These shows you that that cleasing is not a part of the healing proccess as such house cannot be cleansed unless it has been fully healed.
Verse 57 concludes the matter.
So pls next time, if you dnt understand the bible, just ask and it will be explained to you

Oga you are just playing hide and sick here.In your words you claimed that the bible verses is a preventive measure
"the bible never propagated a cure for leprosy, but it makes directives clear as to how to prevent an epidemic among the camp of isrealites"
You can see your lies.In another place you claimed is just a ceremonial cleansing.
If you don't have any problem with the word 'treatment' so why are you fussing about the word 'cure'?Is treatment and cure not the same?
Meaning of CURE in the dictionary- a method or course of remedial treatment, as for disease.

But the truth of the matter is that those who are authourities on the bible gave a clear analysis of the verses for better understanding by stating that bible used cure for other diseases butin the case of leprosy cleansing is prefered because the word cleansing is all encompassing.Which involves cure and prevention.If you read my refrence very well you have noticed that the bible scholar further mentioned that in some places the bible used the word cure in respect to leprosy.

How earth will you tell someone to turn a deaf hear to somebody who is certified as an authourity on the bible and you expect the person follow an ignorant like you?The funny thing about you is that if that scholar supported your postulation you would have agreed with him.

Please if you don't know about logic please I advice you go and learn it.The same you claimed that as a christian you are not suppose to follow the mosaic laws and yet you claim their scripture as part of your bible.This is your statement" Christians are not under obligation to practise the mosaic law you are the one propagating the false idea and not the bible or Christians" I ask you again do you follow what you don't believe in? Yet you are claiming that you never said so.Just look at how you are telling lies again.
Anyway, If you don't believe in their laws,stop quoting from there because it doesn't make any sense you keeping their scriptures in your bible.
Do you know they don't believe in your new testament and your jesus?

Even independent analyst agree that the aforementioned verses on leprosy in the bible is what the bible instruct you people to adopt for treatment of the leprosy. And you are proving what is not.
I think you are just a confused ignorant!

dolphinheart:
Abusive words will not help you in anyway . Maybe that's how you where taught to relate with others or maybe you think using such words makes you sound truthfull , I dnt know. But I wunt degrade My self or my reply with such words.

I'm not a fraudstar and I will prove you wrong.

Like I warn others, ill warn you about twisting words and making statements not attributed to me.
Pls where did I state that "cleansing is not the same meaning with treatment for leprosy in the bible".

Ur refusal to provide a post I used the same exact words in my sentence will put the tag of "liar" of you.

There is also something I want you to understand, being clean or unclean under the mosaic law is far far more than the contacting of deseases, it includes spiritual and social matters. There is a process that the isrealites follow in being termed as clean when they have been previously unclean and most of these process includes a ceremonial cleansing , but that ceremonial cleansing is done after the person or thing has been certified as clean, eg free from the disease, has received pardon for his spiritual sins or has done the right thing in their society.

In the bible,during moses time, there is no physical cure for leprosy , ur thinking that the bible provides a cure for leprosy is where you are getting the whole proccess wrong .the whole process in the case of leprosy is to prevent further spread of the desease and to certify a victim of the desease as healed or cured of the desease. That the bible does not provide a cure does not mean that individuals do not get cured .

A post by a so called Christian cleric does not ascertain the truth. The truth is in the bible and that's what we will use shortly .

Pls tell me and the whole world how I denied the old testament. Pls tell me what I did or say to make you think I dnt believe in the old testament. pls do not leave this aspect out in ur reply, pls do not or the tag hypocrite! Will fall on you.

Now let's use the bible to clarify the truth.

Leviticus chapter 13 states how God told the isrealite priest to identify leprosy in man or object, its contagious capability and the next process or processes to follow, after these processes are followed, the man, object is declared clean or unclean by the priest and will remain unclean until being declared clean again by the priest. The process of being delared clean is called cleansing(verse 2 of chapter 14) and can only be done if the unclean person or object has been healed of the desease (verse 3). If he has not been healed of the desease, the priest will continue to declare him unclean and the cleansing will not occur. These shows you that the ceremonial cleansing you are talking about is not part of the treatment or healing of a man or object with leprosy, for he must have been healed before such cleasing occur.

In the case of a house, verse 48 of lev chapter 14 states that the priest will examine the house to see if the plague has gone , if it is gone, the house is declared clean , if it is not gone, then house is destroyed. If the house is clean/healed, the ceremonial cleasing can begin , and if its not , then no cleansing can occur. These shows you that that cleasing is not a part of the healing proccess as such house cannot be cleansed unless it has been fully healed.
Verse 57 concludes the matter.
So pls next time, if you dnt understand the bible, just ask and it will be explained to you

Oga you are just playing hide and sick here.In your words you claimed that the bible verses is a preventive measure
"the bible never propagated a cure for leprosy, but it makes directives clear as to how to prevent an epidemic among the camp of isrealites"
You can see your lies.In another place you claimed is just a ceremonial cleansing.
If you don't have any problem with the word 'treatment' so why are you fussing about the word 'cure'?Is treatment and cure not the same?
Meaning of CURE in the dictionary- a method or course of remedial treatment, as for disease.

But the truth of the matter is that those who are authourities on the bible gave a clear analysis of the verses for better understanding by stating that bible used cure for other diseases butin the case of leprosy cleansing is prefered because the word cleansing is all encompassing.Which involves cure and prevention.If you read my refrence very well you have noticed that the bible scholar further mentioned that in some places the bible used the word cure in respect to leprosy.

How earth will you tell someone to turn a deaf hear to somebody who is certified as an authourity on the bible and you expect the person follow an ignorant like you?The funny thing about you is that if that scholar supported your postulation you would have agreed with him.

Please if you don't know about logic please I advice you go and learn it.The same you claimed that as a christian you are not suppose to follow the mosaic laws and yet you claim their scripture as part of your bible.If you don't believe in their laws,stop quoting from there because it doesn't make any sense you keeping their scriptures in your bible.
Do you know they don't believe in your new testament and your jesus?

dolphinheart:
you are still desperately attempting to hold on to ur wrong view. first I'm happy you agreed that the isrealites where taught these methods on how to prevent large scale occurrence from the disease, something you tried to hide in your initial post.
I did not tell you that sprinkling blood is a preventive method.

maybe you did not read my post well or you are deliberately refusing to read the whole chapter you claimed you got ur info from. at what point does the sprinkling of blood occur? before the discovery of leprosy or after actions have been taken to prevent it's spread and those actions have been delared successful?

is it not days after the success recorded in cleaning the house is confirmed that ceremonial purification occurs? in what way is that preventive other than to ceremonial declare that the house is now safe for habitation, as we well know that such ceremonial process will not occur if the house has not been checked and declared clean. and if after measures taking to clean the place proves unfruitful, then the house is pulled down and burnt.

Christians are not under obligation to practise the mosaic law. you are the one propagating the false idea and not the bible or Christians.

be truthful when you make statements, Don't be too desperate to find fault

You are just a big fraudster, is only God that can deliver you!

Please read what your theologian says about the matter:

Leshem
LEPER; LEPROSY

lep'-er, lep'-ro-si (tsara`ath; lepra):

A slowly progressing and intractable disease characterized by subcutaneous nodules (Hebrew se'eth; Septuagint oule; the King James Version "rising", scabs or cuticular crusts (Hebrew cappachath; Septuagint semasia) and white shining spots appearing to be deeper than the skin (Hebrew bahereth; Septuagint telaugema). Other signs are

(1) that the hairs of the affected part turn white and

(2) that later there is a growth of "quick raw flesh."

This disease in an especial manner rendered its victims unclean; even contact with a leper defiled whoever touched him, so while the cure of other diseases is called healing, that of leprosy is called cleansing (except in the case of Miriam (Numbers 12:13) and that of the Samaritan (Luke 17:15) where the word "heal" is used in reference to leprosy). The disease is described in the Papyrus Ebers as ukhedu (the Coptic name for leprosy is tseht).

Are you not a lier by claiming that 'cleansing' is not the same meaning with treatment for leprosy by the bible?
Even a lay man would have understood it to be the cure or treatment for leprosy according to your bible verse.
Have you not been exposed now by your fellow christian cleric?

Look at your foolishness again you quickly denied the Old testament just because you have been cornered.You have again confirmed our assertion about you christians attitude of running from pillar to post the moment you see what is senseless or absurde in the bible.But funny enough the same you would quickly quote from the old testament when you need proofs to butress your point.
What a shame!If you don't believe in the OT please stop quoting from there.Hypocrites!

Just imagin the nonesense the bible advise us to use for the cure(cleansing)of leprosy.

It’s amazing how it goes on and on, from killing birds, to mixing up some weird flour-oil thing, to dumping this crap on your house.  I really have to wonder, with this level of modern medicine, why would a Christian ever see a doctor.  They are obviously quacks with their pills and shots.

Leviticus 14:1-57
1  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2  This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:
3  And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;
4  Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
5  And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:
6  As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:
7  And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
8  And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days.
9  But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.
10  And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.
11  And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the LORD, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:
12  And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering, and the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:
13  And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest’s, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:
14  And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and the priest shall put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
15  And the priest shall take some of the log of oil, and pour it into the palm of his own left hand:
16  And the priest shall dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand, and shall sprinkle of the oil with his finger seven times before the LORD:
17  And of the rest of the oil that is in his hand shall the priest put upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the blood of the trespass offering:
18  And the remnant of the oil that is in the priest’s hand he shall pour upon the head of him that is to be cleansed: and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD.
19  And the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed from his uncleanness; and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering:
20  And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the meat offering upon the altar: and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and he shall be clean.
21  And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;
22  And two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering.
23  And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the LORD.
24  And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD:
25  And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:
26  And the priest shall pour of the oil into the palm of his own left hand:
27  And the priest shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the LORD:
28  And the priest shall put of the oil that is in his hand upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the place of the blood of the trespass offering:
29  And the rest of the oil that is in the priest’s hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the LORD.
30  And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get;
31  Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed before the LORD.
32  This is the law of him in whom is the plague of leprosy, whose hand is not able to get that which pertaineth to his cleansing.
33  And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,
34  When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;
35  And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:
36  Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
37  And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
38  Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
39  And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
40  Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
41  And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
42  And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
43  And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
44  Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
45  And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
46  Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
47  And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
48  And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
49  And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
50  And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
51  And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
52  And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
53  But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
54  This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
55  And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
56  And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
57  To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.

truthman2012:
Can't you discover you are the only one I ignored? I keep talking to muslims who can reason correctly. A person arguing with a mad man will be considered mad too. When people run for a mad man, he becomes happy, thinking they run fearing him for his power.

You parade the whole website spewing trash all about, simple things you can't comprehend and you want me to continue with you. Never.

You are begining to act like a wounded lion.I thought you said you won't reply anymore.Can't you see that you are the Liar that I call you and an hypocrite for that matter.
You don't even comprehend yourself let alone comprehending others just because of your crazy mind set.
Darkness like you can't stand the light anytime any day I repeat.
You don't have anywhere to hide again slow poke.

true2god:
I thought muslims say the Bible is corrupt, why are you then using it as a reference to proove islamic lies?

Your bible contains word of God,prophets and also word of men.That's why it is corrupt.
Please I ask you can an adultrated product be called original?
Common logic is missing in you!

truthman2012:
Smh!

Finally he has surrendered again.I will always put you on the run anytime any day!

Trill:
He was also a pyschopath, rapist, pedophile, liar, sexist, slave owner e.t.c true or false?

You are just another ignorant who is devoid of sound knowlegde and good reasoning.If you knew your bible very well you wouldn't have made that comment.Your bible is an advocate of those crimes you mentioned.
What a pity!

truthman2012:
This is the last time I will respond to your post on this thread, I cannot cope with your low reasoning mind.

The quran says what you muslims do is a pagan custom and the hadiths support it. Now, see your response to that issue, how are they related? Just beating about the bush. I don't have your time again. Smh!

You know you don't have any defence any more that's why you are running away.
I will always bust your lies.Your pervated mind will always want to misinterprete the quran to suit your evil ways.
Did you ever agree that your paganistic believe about trinity,vicarious atonement and crucifiction are all pagan concept?Look how foolish your are Man of high reasoning.
Darkness will always vanish when the light comes.
The Truth shall always triumph over Lies.

truthman2012:
If islam had not existed there, who built Kaaba other than Meccan pagans?

Do you understand this time?

I always laugh when I see ignorance playing out on you despite your claim of high understanding.
Did your bible not tell you that ishmael and her mother were exiled into the wilderness?

Let me educate you again when ishmael and mother got there the only people they saw were traders who made stop over at the place then just because of the water provided for ishmeal and his mother by God for them to survive in that harsh enviroment.it was at later times people started settling there based on agreement with the settlers.


'' Ismail (a.s) and his mother continued to live at this place all by themselves for some time. One day some people of the Jurhum tribe were passing through the valley. They didn’t intend to stop, because they knew that there had never been any water in that valley. But they saw a kind of bird which was known to frequent wet spots, so they followed it to the spring of Zam-zam. There they found Ismail’s (a.s) mother sitting by the water.

Ismail’s mother agreed they could settle there for a while, as long as they did not claim possession to the water. Some of the people of the tribe settled by the water permanently and Ismail grew up amongst them"
Abrahams prayer when he was leaving them in the wilderness

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.'

In brief abraham established the house, to be a place where people will visit at later times as a fulfilment of God prophecy about the Holy House of God and also for ismeal and his mother to be the custodians.Abraham worship there anytime he comes around on visitation.
The idolators later used the holy house of God after the demise of Ishmeal and his mother for their idolatory acts common to them.But Gods plan was to restore the house to the believers for his true worship through Muhammed.
And that is why muhammed had to demolish all the idols in the Temple of God(Kaaba)so that the believer can worship the one true God bringing Gods prophecy to fulfilment.

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

jnrbayano:
My own is, has he been tried for those crimes he committed?

If he did repent let him turn himself over to face charges he violated so that his repentance would be total.

True talk my brother. You know it is here in Nigeria we always like to weep sentiment a lot.
We have turned religion into a breeding ground for injustice but God is never unjust rather he is a God of retribution.We can only decieve ourselves but definately not God.

truthman2012:
Smh!

You can't understand anything.

Why are you silent on the quranic verse and the hadiths that confirm islamic allahh is one of the idols inside kaaba and that is why he is worshiped like an idol. Keep deceiving yourself. You hate your own soul.

Ignorance has become a cancer in you what a pity.Let me educate you again the meccan arabs called their idols illah which mean small gods but when muhammed (peace be on him)came he preached to them that they should worship the one true God(Allah)they refused simply because they could not see him.Similarly this attitude is found in every idolators around the world even here in africa.Our fore father worshiped idol has intermiddiary of one true God.
But the funny thing about you christian is that you tried to deny the arabs to have a name for one true God(Allah)just because they are predominantly muslims and you don't want to accept Allah as one true God.
But funny enough you still recognised the same Allah as the Almighty God in the arabic Bible and also that Allah is jesus father according to you.
Aint you a confused hypocrite?
If you don't agree that Allah is the one true God of the arabs please give us the name for the one true God in arabic.You have not answered this question since have been asking you
.
Please tell me the difference between the english word for the almigty which they use capital( G) for God and small(g)for small gods.By pronounciation is it not the same sound you make when you say God and god?.yet you christians accepted the word God to mean Almighty but you didn't argue with them that you don't see any difference between the two (God and god).
Am very sure if all arabs were christians today you wouldn't have any problem with the word Allah.Anyway you still can't but accept the word Allah for almighty God in your Arabic bible.What a dilemma you find yourselves.

[quote author=Ifeann post=33865611]U forgot to mention about the Spanish inquisition and I hope u know there wasn't only one crusade. Dig deeper you will find more cases of supposed "Christians" taking the law into their hands and disobeying Christ. [/quote


They only obeyed your bible because they know better than you and of course they were better christian than you.
They knew killing for christ is normal.

truthman2012:
I don't like discussing with people of your IQ. I said your other points are a trash because they are unrelated to medicine, but look at the way you understood my statement.

Please don't get too frusrated those point that you called trash are from your bible.Do they make any sense to you?
I expect your high IQ to inform you that the bible is a trash because those trash are found right inside.

truthman2012:
You lack good interpretation of the bible. Gen. 1:29 refers to the Garden of Eden for Adam and Evil. That was the earth created for them where there was no poisonous fruit. God told them to eat all the fruits except one.

Other points are trash as they are unrelated to medicine.

So you now agreed that your bible is a trash.
Another confirmation from you.

dolphinheart:
Sir, pls be truthful when you try to post something about others, the bible never propagated a cure for leprosy, but it makes directives clear as to how to prevent an epidemic among the camp of isrealites such as quarantine and periodic check on victims of leprosy. What you are desperately postulating as a medical process is just ceremorial cleansing done by the isrealites (not an injunction for the whole world)on both individuals and houses in which such case occured and in which the people involved have gone through the correct preventive process , thereby limiting the desease ability to spread. If you really want to talk about leprosy in the bible, why did u hold back all the other verses on leprosy . Probably you did not like the truthfulness of how to handle the desease mentioned there.

Why is it that when a discussion on the koran, hadith , Muslim belief is going on, some of you will start looking for things wey no lost inside the bible. Do you think that revealing bibles medical mistakes answers the question on islam medical postulations?
If defending some aspects of ur belief means to find fault in other belief s. Then your case is worse that someone who has decide to fly accross the "pillars of creation", e no go reach the end.

I'm enjoying the present discussion on the topic o, just which non- muslims will steer clear or not make provocative statements untill a decision/agreement is reached.

Your problem is that the moment they call your attention to the blunders in your bible you begin to look for excuses where there are none.Even if we agree that the bible gave a preventive measure.Is prinkling the blood of animal in your house a sensible way of preventing leprosy?Why did you christian not practise it today?You can never because you know is just a stupid idea that you can't sell to anyone in this modern world.
Please go and put your house in order before you start poke nosing into order people' affair.

truthman2012:
You can't understand a simple statement. The being the muslims call allah is not the same God the Arab Christians call allah. It told you with a quranic reference that arabs call anything they worship allah, even if it is a cow.

Who is this slowpoke? 'they call everything they worship Allah' so if they call him devil you will adopt it for your arab christians brothers as their God in their Bible?
Your lack of good reasoning will never allow you to discorver your foolishness.
I want to ask you again give us the name for the real God in arabic since Allah is not?
You can see that you have no other name than to adopt the name Allah for your christian brothers in the middle east.What a shame!

vedaxcool:
The above means Christianity has no basis, where are all the dreamy people who said it didn't happen?

Where are their spoke persons now?The likes of Ifeann,truthman,oremusanctus etc.
Have you people forgotten that this a person they claim he is God ooo!
Na him satan they carry up and down they tempt am.shay na jazz satan use for am wey him dey follow am like mumu?
Can anybody tempt God almighty?
How can satan even get near God let alone tempting him?Yeye people everything about their religion now is not physical,even they themselves are not physical anymore.
Wayo religion!

truthman2012:
Islam Among Arabs:

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

Please the OP should tell us the messengers sent to the Arabs before Muhammed(peace be on him)and the scriptures given to them before the advent of Islam?

truthman2012:
Rubbish!

He doesn't understand still. How would you as your brain has been tampered with by allahh?

Look at what he is saying? We are talking about allahh lying, he is talking about contradictions. If you want contradictions, there are so many of them in the quran. In fact, the whole of the quran is contradictions as allahh was abrogating his revelation as soon as revealed and claims he is replacing them with better ones:

Quran 2:106] None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things.

Allah kept making mistakes and making substitutions of his revelations, yet muslims say quran is free of errors.

What kind of god that is subject to many errors?

You know when you point a finger at somebody the other ten fingers are pointing at you.The more comment you make the more you bust yourself.
I don't know why you keep banging your head over non issue.If you can't discern appropriately its better you remain in that state because is just an evidence of the confused state of mind that you are that still couldnt make you understand your scripture let alone understand Islam.
Obviously Islam will forever remain your source of worry and nightmare for eternity.

truthman2012:
It is you that is sooo ignorant of allahh's deception.

The arabs call whatever they worship allah (Quran 6:136). The pagans in Mecca were calling their idols allah including Muhammad's family idol.

It was when Muhammad went to worship allah at Hira as a pagan that he claimed 'angel' Gabriel appeared to him. Which allah did he go to worship at Hira as a pagan?

Then, Gabriel told him to continue to worship the same idol as the true God. When did Mutaleb idol (allahh) become the true God?

Because allah is an idol, that is why the muslims worship him in the exact way pagans worshiped their idols before islam.

[Quran 2:158 Pickthal] Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS). And he who doeth good of his own accord, (for him) lo! Allah is Responsive, Aware

Thas quranic verse confirms the following hadiths:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
[Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172].

Doing Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two
mounts, located at Mecca. This
ritual entails Muslims walking
frantically between the two
mounts, seven times. This was
originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.

Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
[Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710]

From the quran and hadiths, it is so clear that islamic allah who has no Son is an idol (satan in disguise) and that is why he is worshiped like pagan gods.

The Arab Christians allah is the Father of Jesus Christ. They don't worship him like islamic allah. The Arabs call whatever they worship allah.

Just look at how you exposed your ignorance the more.
So the same Allah that you called pagan god, is the father of jesus according to you.
By your claim you have come to agree that the word Allah is the true God in arabic.Thank you,you have just answered the question that there is no word in arabic for almighty God other than Allah whom the Muslims worship.
Simple logic!

ebetek:
One
of the names of allah is "the most proud one".
Others are "khayru al-makireen" which means "the
greatest of all deceivers" and "al mumit" which
means "the creator of death". Is allah the same as
the Christian God?
13:11).

You just to full of ignorance with your comment s.

Let me help you out

Khayrul-makireen means-GOD is the best of all planners.

Is GOD not the creator of death?I ask you