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[quote author=Scholar8200 post=33546959]Here you have wrongly compared the Messiahship of Christ to the Prophethood of Moses. The emphasis of Moses in the prophecy is the role of the Word to be spoken hence follows Deut 18:20,"20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die."

Scolar I want to say here that you christians never believe in the law of moses because those of you that we had debate with always claim that the laws of moses that you said God Promised to write on your heart throuigh the prophesy of Jeremiah are not to be followed anymore with the coming of christ therefore how can you claim that the law which you are not ready to follow be in your heart just for formality sake.Did God give the laws to believers just to be in their heart?No the laws are meant to be practised.Even jesus said he came to fulfil and not abolish the laws.which goes a long way to butress my point that the prophet unto like moses has been fulfilled in muhammed and not Jesus because Muhammed came with New laws from God jesus did not.
Again the prophet asked about by jews from John the Baptist can't be jesus because you christians don't believe jesus is prophet rather you believe that jesus is God incarnate.therefore how can jesus that is God now be making prophesy about himself to Moses that (a prophet unto like moses)is God a prophet?Definately the prophecy is pointing to Muhammed because God also promised that he is going to put his word in his mouth.Again how can God be putting his Words in himself's mouth?Obviously it doesn't make any sense.
You made me believe that Jesus is man and a prophet because you want me to believe that the prophey like unto him is referring to jesus,which is the direct opposite of christian belief about jesus that he is God.
In respect to jesus coming with a new laws which as been fulfilled in shedding of blood for man to be saved and also free from the commandment of Moses,that's not true because jesus himself told a man that he must keep the commandment for him to have eternal life(And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter eternal life, keep the commandments.”
Why did he not tell him to just believe in the 'blood of jesus' and you will have eternal life.He knew the commandments of moses must be followed that's why he told man to keep the commandments.Remember that Jesus stated it clearly that he has come to fulfil the laws and not to abolish them.

Also the prophesy of jesus concernig the one to come after him is not Holy spirit but a man(John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."
The Human Prophet

A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet.   Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit.  Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit.  He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above.  
The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire."

Muhammad (peace be upon him), as seen above, did indeed fulfill this prophesy. Whatsoever he "HEARD" from Gabriel (The Qur'an), the same did he physically "SPEAK" to his followers. In the Qur'an we read:

"(God swears) By the star when it falls!: Your comrade (Muhammad) errs not, nor is he deceived; Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is naught save a revelation that is revealed (unto him)." (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):1-4)

 

3) The Holy Ghost was already with them:

In the above verses we read "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." The comforter can not be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost (according to the Bible) was "with" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (peace be upon him) himself and then throughout his ministry. Read for example.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

1 Samuel 10:10 "And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them."

1 Samuel 11:6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."

"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)

"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" (Luke 1:41)

"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," (Luke 1:67)

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." (Luke 2:25)

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." (Luke 2:26)

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22)

Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (peace be upon him) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (peace be upon him) when he parted the seas? There are many more similar verses to be found in the Bible. In the above verses, we are told that if Jesus (peace be upon him) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.

Scholar8200:
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Pls make no mistakes The Prophet prophesied by Moses and The Messiah spoken of by the prophets refers to the same person.

"In the FIRST place Jesus is not like Moses, because, according to you - 'JESUS IS A GOD', but Moses is not God. "Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses! SECONDLY, according to you - 'JESUS DIED FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD', but Mose s did not have to die for the sins of the world. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses! THIRDLY, according to you - 'JESUS WENT TO HELL FOR THREE DAYS', but Moses did not have to go there. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses!"

Father and Mother
(1) "Moses had a father and a mother. Muhummed also had a father and a mother. But Jesus had only a mother, and no human father.

Miraculous Birth
(2) "Moses and Muhummed were born in the normal, natural course, i.e. the physical association of man and woman; but Jesus was created by a special miracle."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses. And God says to Moses in the Book of Deuteronomy 18:18 "LIKE UNTO THEE" (Like You, Like Moses) and Muhummed is like Moses."

Marriage Ties
(3) "Moses and Muhummed married and begat children, but Jesus remained a bachelor all his life."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses, but Muhummed is like Moses."

Jesus Rejected by his People

(3) "Moses and Muhummed were accepted as prophets by their people in their very lifetime. No doubt the Jews gave endless trouble to Moses and they murmured in the wilderness, but as a nation, they acknowledged that Moses was a Messenger of God sent to them. The Arabs too made Muhummed's life imposs ible. He suffered very badly at their hands. After 13 years of preaching in Mecca, he had to emigrate from the city of his birth. But before his demise, the Arab nation as a whole accepted him as the Messenger of Allah. But according to the Bible: 'He (Jesus) CAME UNTO HIS OWN, BUT HIS OWN RECEIVED HIM NOT.' (John 1:11). And even today, ofter two thousand years, his people- the Jews, as a whole, have rejeted him. : "THEREFORE JESUS IS NOT LIKE MOSES, BUT MUHUMMED IS LIKE MOSES."

"Other-Wordly" Kingdom
(5) "Moses and Muhummed were prophets as well as kings. A prophet means a man who receives Divine Revelation for the Guidance of Man and this Guidance he conveys to God's creatures as received without any addition or deletion. A king is a person who has the power of life and death over his people. It is immaterial whether the person wears a crown or not, or whether he was ever addressed as king or monarch: if the man has the prerogative of inflicting capital punishment - HE IS A KING. Moses possessed such a power. Do you remember the Israelite who was found picking up firewood on Sabbath Day , and Moses had him stoned to death? (Numbers- 15:13). There are other crimes also mentioned in the Bible for which capital punishment was inflicted on the Jews at the behest of Moses. Muhummed too, had the power of life and death over his people. There are instances in the Bible of persons who wer e given gift of prophecy only, but they were not in a position to implement their directives. Some of these holy men of God who were helpless in the face of stubborn rejection of their mesage, were the prophets lot, Jonah, Daniel, Ezra, and John the Baptist. They could only deliver the message, but could not enforce the Law. The Holy Prophet Jesus (Peace b.u.h) also belonged to this category. The Christian Gospel clearly confirms this: when Jesus was dragged before the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, Charged for sedition, Jesus made a convincing point in his defence to refute the false charg e: JESUS ANSWERED, "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD': IF MY KINGDOM WERE OF THIS WORLD, THEN WOULD MY SERVANTS FIGHT, THAT I SHOULD NOT BE DELIVERED TO THE JEWS; BUT NOW IS MY KINGDOM NOT FROM HENCE"(John 18:36) This convinced Pilate (A Pagan) that though Jesus might not be in full possessio n of his mental faculty, he did not strike him as being a danger to his rule. Jesus claimed a spiritual Kingdom only; in other words he only claimed to be a Prophet. Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

No New Laws
(6) "Moses and Muhummed brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Moses not only gave the Ten Commandments to the Israelites, but a very comprehensive ceremonial law for the guidance of his people. Muhummed comes to a people steeped in barbarism and ignorance. They married their step-m others; they buried their daughters alive; drunkenness, adultery, idolatry, and gambling were the order of the day. Gibbon describe the Arabs before Islam in his "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire", THE HUMAN BRUTE, ALMOST WITHOUT SENSE, IS POORLY DISTINGUISHED FROM THE REST OF THE ANIMAL CREATI ON.' There was hardly anything to distinguish between the "man" and the "animal" of the time; they were animals in human form.

"From this abject barbarism, Muhummed elevated them, in the words of Thomas Carlysle, 'into torch-bearers of light and learning.' 'TO THE ARAB NATION IT WAS AS A BIRTH FROM DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. ARABIA FIRST BECAME ALIVE BY MEANS OF IT. A POOR SHEPHERD PEOPLE, ROAMING UNNOTICED IN ITS DESERTS SINCE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD. SEE, THE UNNOTICED BECOMES WORLD NOTABLE, THE SMALL HAS GROWN WORLD-GREAT. WITHIN ONE CENTURY AFTERWARDS ARABIA WAS AT GRANADA ON ONE HAND AND AT DELHI ON THE OTHER. GLANCING IN VALOUR AND SPLENDOUR, AND THE LIGHT OF GENIUS, ARABIA SHINES OVER A GREA SECTION OF THE WORLD. ...' The fact is that Muhummed gave his people a Law and Order they never had before.

"As regards Jesus, when the Jews felt suspicious of him that he might be an imposter with designs to pervert their teachings, Jesus took pains to assure them that he had not come with a new religion - no new laws and no new regulations. I quote his own words: 'THINK NOT THAT IAM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW, OR THE PROPHETS: IAM NOT COME TO DESTROY, BUT TO FULFIL. FOR VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.'(Mathew 5:17-18). In other words he had not come with any new laws or regulation he came only to fulfil the old law. This what he gave the Jews to understand- unless he was speaking with the tongue in his cheek trying to bluff the Jews into accepting him as a man of God and by subterfuge trying to ram a new religion down their throats. No! This Messenger of God would never resort to such fo ul means to subvert the Religion of God. He himself fulfilled the laws. He observed the commandments of Moses, and he respected the Sabbath. At no time did a single Jew point a finger at him to say, 'why don't you fast' or 'why don't you wash your hands before you break bread',which charges they al wasy levied against his disciples, but never against Jesus. This is because as a good Jew he honoured the laws of the prophets who preceded him. In short, he had created no new religion and had brought no new law like Moses and Muhummed."Therefore, Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

How they Departed
(7) "Both Moses and Muhummed died natural deaths, but according to Christianity, Jesus was violently killed on the cross. "Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Heavenly Abode
( "Moses and Muhummed both lie buried in earth, but according to you, Jesus in heaven."Therefore Jesus is not like Moses but Muhummed is like Moses."

Words in the Mouth
"The prophecy proceeds further:'.......AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH.......' What does it mean when it is said 'I will put my words in your mouth'?For example if I asked you toOpen Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth?"Of course not "But, "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.:

"SAY: HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY;
ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN:
AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM.
(Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)( I read them in Arabic )

Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?"Of course yes. In an identical manner, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouchsafed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed w as terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED-
CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD:

READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,-
HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE PEN,

TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Ma Bilbe never mentioned or talked abt a mad man known as muhamMAD
Nufin relating to him at all

The expected Christ and the expected Prophet:
Again, in John 1:19-21 John was asked if he were the Messiah, Elijah, and then "The Prophet": John 1:21.  In John 7:40-44, Jesus was supposed to come from David's line, while the Prophet was NOT.  He was a foreigner.  So the awaited Messiah and the awaited "the Prophet" were clearly TWO DIFFERENT PERSONS, who are strangers to each others, and are not from the same bloodline.

Let us look at the text of verses of John 1:19-21 and John 7:40-44 in details to see the two different persons to come: the Messiah (Christ) and the Prophet:

  

John 1:19-21
John the Baptist Tells People About Jesus
19 Here is the ·truth John told [testimony John gave; witness of John; 1:6] when the ·leaders [Jewish leadership; L Jews; C John often uses the term “Jews” to refer to the religious leaders in opposition to Jesus, rather than to the Jewish people generally] in Jerusalem sent ·priests and Levites [C the religious authorities; priests oversaw temple worship; Levites were members of the tribe of Levi who assisted them; 1 Chr. 23:24–32] to ask him, “Who are you?”

20 John ·spoke freely [confessed] and did not ·refuse to answer [deny it]. He said, “I am not the ·Christ [Messiah].”
21 So they asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” [C Elijah, an OT prophet, was expected to come back before the Messiah; 1 Kin. 17—2 Kin. 2; Mal. 4:5–6.]

He answered, “No, I am not.”

“Are you the Prophet?” [C the Prophet like Moses predicted in Deut. 18:15–19] they asked.
He answered, “No.”

  
John 7:40-44
The People Argue About Jesus
40 When the people heard Jesus’ words, some of them said, “This man really is the Prophet [1:21; C the “prophet like Moses” of Deut. 18:15–18].”
41 Others said, “He is the ·Christ [Messiah].” Still others said, “The ·Christ [Messiah] will not come from Galilee.

42 The Scripture says that the ·Christ [Messiah] will come from David’s ·family [offspring; L seed; 2 Sam. 7:12–16; Ps. 89:3–4; Is. 9:7; 55:3] and from Bethlehem, the ·town [village] where David lived [Mic. 5:2].”
43 So ·the people did not agree with each other [L there was a division in the crowd] about Jesus.
44 Some of them wanted to ·arrest [seize] him, but no one was able to ·touch [L lay a hand on] him.
  
Does the NT refute the Prophethood of Muhammad? [2]  A closer look at: Matthew 21:11, Mark 6:15, John 9:17, John 6:14, John 1:19-21, John 7:40-44, Acts 7.
  

2-  An Arabian Prophet was expected by the Jews of Arabia:

From some of the Muslim sources, see the following references:
  
"Bring forward the most learned among you before me."  When that man came forward, he and Muhammad spoke in private.  Finally Muhammad asked him, "Do you know that I am the Apostle of Allah?"  The rabbi answered, "By Allah! Yes, and the people know what I know.  Verily your attributes and qualities are clearly mentioned in the Torah, but they are jealous of you."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 188)
  
"...and he is the Prophet of these people; he is an Arab and the Jews are jealous of him wishing that he should have been an Israelite..."  (History of Muhammad Ibn Sa'd, Volume I, Pages 177)
 
'LIKE UNTO THEE' - 'Like You' 'Like Moses'. The Prophecy is much more than this single phrase which reads as follows : "I WILL RAISE THEM UP A PROPHET FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN LIKE UNTO THEE......." The emphasis is on the words- "From among their brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the arabs. You see, the Holy Bible s peaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN- '......And Abraham(11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15). 'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON......" (Genesis 17:23). 'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25). Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, wh o was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

Arabs and Jews
If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms, 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.' (Genesis 16:12). 'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.(Genesis 25:18). The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israeli tes beause he was a descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'.(Deut.18:18). There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among the mselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

truthman2012:
Moses in the Quran



Chronological arrangement of the quran is terrible and it is believed to be deliberately so to mislead mankind.

Where was he given the Laws?

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/story-of-moses-in-the-quran/

The Errors of Bible Accounts

In the New Testament, there are contradictions between the genealogies of Jesus given in the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke.

Both genealogies begin with Jesus’ father, who is identified as Joseph (which is curious, given that Mary was supposedly impregnated by the Holy Ghost). But Matthew says Joseph’s father was Jacob, while Luke claims he was Heli. Matthew lists 26 generations between Jesus and King David, whereas Luke records 41. Matthew runs Jesus’ line of descent through David’s son Solomon, while Luke has it going through David’s son Nathan.

The story of Jesus' birth is also contradictory. Matthew 2:13-15 depicts Joseph and Mary as fleeing to Egypt with the baby Jesus immediately after the wise men from the east had brought gifts.

But Luke 2:22-40 claims that after the birth of Jesus, his parents remained in Bethlehem for the time of Mary’s purification (which was 40 days, under the Mosaic law). Afterwards, they brought Jesus to Jerusalem "to present him to the Lord," and then returned to their home in Nazareth. Luke mentions no journey into Egypt or visit by wise men from the east.

Concerning the death of Judas, the disloyal disciple, Matthew 27:5 states he took the money he had received for betraying Jesus, threw it down in the temple, and "went and hanged himself." To the contrary, Acts 1:18 claims Judas used the money to purchase a field and "falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

In describing Jesus being led to his execution, John 19:17 recounts that he carried his own cross. But Mark 15:21-23 disagrees by saying a man called Simon carried the cross.

As for the crucifixion, Matthew 27:44 tells us Jesus was taunted by both criminals who were being crucified with him. But Luke 23:39-43 relates that only one of the criminals taunted Jesus, the other criminal rebuked the one who was doing the taunting, and Jesus told the criminal who was defending him, "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Regarding the last words of Jesus while on the cross, Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 quote Jesus as crying with a loud voice, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" Luke 23:46 gives his final words as, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." John 19:30 alleges the last words were, "It is finished."

There are even contradictions in the accounts of the resurrection – the supposed event that is the very foundation of the Christian religion. Mark 16:2 states that on the day of the resurrection, certain women arrived at the tomb at the rising of the sun. But John 20:1 informs us they arrived when it was yet dark. Luke 24:2 describes the tomb as open when the women arrived, whereas Matthew 28:1-2 indicates it was closed. Mark 16:5 declares that the women saw a young man at the tomb, Luke 24:4 says they saw two men, Matthew 28:2 reports they saw an angel, and John 20:11-12 claims they saw two angels.

Also in the resurrection stories, there are contradictions as to the identity of the women who came to the tomb,[7] whether the men or angels the women saw were inside or outside the tomb,[8] whether the men or angels were standing or sitting,[9] and whether Mary Magdalene recognized the risen Jesus when he first appeared to her.[10]

As a final example of a New Testament contradiction, the conflicting accounts of Paul’s conversion can be cited. Acts 9:7 states that when Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel, the men who were with Paul heard a voice but saw no man. According to Acts 22:9, however, the men saw a light but didn't hear the voice speaking to Paul.

The foregoing examples are just a few of the hundreds of contradictions contained in the Old and New Testaments. Each contradiction is an instance where at least one of the verses is wrong. Thus, hundreds of contradictions mean there are at least hundreds of incorrect statements in the Bible.
I have told you,you can only run but youu can hide.Ignorant like you!

eyeopener:
[I Timothy 2:13]
''For it was Adam who was
first created, and then Eve''.

Are you satisfied?

I knew you would quote the above verse.Should I know ask you now that why did the new testament not give us a detail account of the story of adam and eve and also failed to mention prophets like moses,elijah job solomon etc.since that was what your christian brother asked from muslims why the Quran failed to mention eve and why the quran did not give a detail accont of stories about prophets and events in the quran.Even though he was presented with facts.
But my brother the truth is the Quran is not a story book is only a book to admornish,warn and encourage mankind to be righteous,show mankind the way to the true God and also correct the wrong belief about God,refer us to the past life of some of the prophets to learn from,proclaim Muhammed as the true prophet of God and the quran as the last scripture from God and lastly give us commandments from God etc
The simple truth is that God knew he had told us enough about the prophets of old and events of the past in the earlier scriptures,he needed not to repeat those events in details anymore but beriefly since he had giving us a detailed account in the ealier books.moreover God revealation was continueous and he has made all the scriptures to coroborate,confirm and also to complement oneanother.
My brother lastly if Muslims and people of other faith want to have details about past event the Hadith (sayings of muhammed peace be on him)are there to shed more light, is just like book of history which muslims must believe in.
However I must say here that is just unfortunate how some mischivious people delibrately twist and cast aspersion on other people's religion to cause hatred between people of different faiths instead of encourage tolerance.Inspite of knowing the truth about what they say or do.But it is obvious they have their evil plots but Almighty God also plot against them because he is the Master of all plotters,is plot will ever triump over his enemies.
He will not fail to bring them to book for their Evils because he is a just God. However he is ready to forgive those who change from their evil ways.
May God forgive every one of us.Ameen

truthman2012:
First, the one true God you are emphasizing is not allah. The Jews talk about one true God, yet Muhammad was killing them. The Jews's one true God was who everybody knew before Muhammad. Note how long one true God had been dealing with the Jews prior to the coming of Muhammad and when he came, he declared war on them. Is the Jews' one true God and Muhammad's one true God the same? If yes, why was he killing them? You should now discover that Muhammad's problem was not one-God issue, his god was an enemy to the God of the Jews.

Besides, if you don't need to know about other prophets in details, why did your god mention them at all? Half knowledge is worse than ignorance.

Hypocrite like you I ask you again can you show Us where in the New Testament Adam and Eve and also other prophets of God mentioned?
Please show us.

jcross19:
Muslims try to cover the poo of mohammad for long time they tried not to interpret that book of poems , qoran but because too much of pressure , now see what's happening now the more you read the book the more you see the evil allah and mohmMAD perpetrated then some the seekers of truth tend to look for peace elswere. Shame on allah,mohamMAD and their cohorts .

I pray that you don't see the wrath of Allah(God) which you insult.If truely you are a true believer you would have know that the same Allah that you abuse is the same word for God in Arabic which your fellow Arab Christians recognise as the Almighty GOD.
I realy pity you for your ignorance.
GOD is watching!

[quote author=truthman2012 post=30247088]Abu Aahuraira reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily Allah has fixed the
very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in and which he of necessity must commit. The adultery
of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the tongue is the licentious speech, the heart desire
and yearns, which the parts may or may not put into effect (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6421 & 6422)

Is that statement from the same God who said:

Ye have heard that it was said by them of the old time, Thou shall not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart (Matthew 5:27-28).

By this, reasonable muslims should realize that Muhammad did not represent the Christians' God neither is Allah the God of the Bible. Then, who is he?[/quote

You have only succeeded in showing to people that you are agent of Lies and Mischief

The hadith that you quoted was simply referring to those that might fall into these sins mistakenly because we are fallible by nature.

Quran says:

Verse 31: “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husband’s sons, their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”.

The Prophet (saw) said, “…do not let a second look follow the first. The first look is allowed to you but not the second.” [Ahmad, Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhi]. What this means is that the first look is by accident. If this happens then do not take a second look.

This a christian site(christianity.stackexchange.com/.../how-ca...

CHRISTIANS, PASTORS AND CHURCH PORNOGRAPHY STATISTICS

A 1996 Promise Keepers survey at one of their stadium events revealed that over 50% of the men in attendance were involved with pornography within one week of attending the event.

51% of pastors say cyber-porn is a possible temptation. 37% say it is a current struggle (Christianity Today, Leadership Survey, 12/2001).

Over half of evangelical pastors admits viewing pornography last year.

Roger Charman of Focus on the Family's Pastoral Ministries reports that approximately 20 percent of the calls received on their Pastoral Care Line are for help with issues such as pornography and compulsive sexual behavior.

In a 2000 Christianity Today survey, 33% of clergy admitted to having visited a sexually explicit Web site. Of those who had visited a porn site, 53% had visited such sites “a few times” in the past year, and 18% visit sexually explicit sites between a couple of times a month and more than once a week.

29% of born again adults in the U.S. feel it is morally acceptable to view movies with explicit sexual behavior (The Barna Group).

57% of pastors say that addiction to pornography is the most sexually damaging issue to their congregation (Christians and Sex Leadership Journal Survey, March 2005).

STATISTICS ON WOMEN WITH PORNOGRAPHY ADDICTION

 28% those admitting to sexual addiction are women (internet-filter-review.com).

34% of female readers of Today's Christian Woman's online newsletter admitted to intentionally accessing Internet porn in a recent poll and 1 out of every 6 women, including Christians, struggles with an addiction to pornography (Today’s Christian Woman, Fall 2003).

It doesn't matter if I see a beautiful woman walking down the street or if I see an image on the internet, the passion inside of me begins to burn when I force myself to turn away.

1 Corinthians 10:13 NIV

No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.

In my opinion it's very likely that masturbation is a sin that leads to death. In this next verse, I take it very literally, I see Jesus talking about our lusts and possibly even masturbation.

Matthew 18:8 NIV

If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

I do believe that if God says we are secure in our salvation, that nobody can change that. However I also believe that if God says we are no longer worthy of salvation because we have fallen away from the faith, then our security and salvation is lost.

Just before this verse above, Jesus was talking about plucking out your eye if it causes you to sin. I believe that Jesus is literally telling us that if we continue to lust and to gratify ourselves that we need to purge that evil from amung us and literally cut off your hand. I don't see this as a metiphor at all.

For those of you that will say you do not agree that cutting a part of your body off will solve this problem, keep in mind then that you call Jesus a liar.

Hebrews 12:4 NIV

In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

jcross19:
ah now I know why you called someone empty brain oh so you are the real epitome of fool. You better wise up because in that new testament is how to build a relationship with God while old testament have given us the story of creation. So , am still saying it why can't you pray in your dialect or is it that allah can't hear your language? Or make you people look like inferior to arabians huh?

But did you know that the old testament that you christians claim that is part of the bible is actually the scripture(torah or pentatauch) of the judaism which is a different religion entirely?But because you knew without it your bible is not complete you had to lay claim to it as part of your bible.
Jesus brought new testament,therefore I ask you again show me where in your new testament God mentioned Adam and Eve and other prophets?
Ask you again is English that your bible is written and you pray in English your dialect?
Also in what Language is the Original Bible written?

jcross19:
lol a powerless gods for telling the future , that allah don't know any other language than arabic ,even some men can speak more than 20 languages but your don't hear your dialect don't you know that allah is not supreme at all if not why can't you pray in your language?

And in which language was the Bible revealed?I ask you.
Empty brain!
Have you forgotten that your bible written in Arabic too and where you find the word Allah used for God?
Common sense are not just common.

ARABIC BIBLE

[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth . . . "

[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration]

"Fee al-badi' khalaqa Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard . . . "


[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]
"For God so loved the world, that . . . "

[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration]

"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba Allahu al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "


[Luke 1:30 - English Bible - King James Version]
" . . . Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with God."

[Luke 1:30 - Arabic transliteration]

" . . . Laa takhaafee, yaa Maryam, li-annaki qad wajadti ni'amat(an) i'nda Allahi."


[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
"the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God."

[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration]

"bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni Allahi

Ignorance is a serious disease

Anas09:
Dis shabeewana guy is worst than mohammed in lying. Chineke.

It would be nice of you if you show me where I lied.Ignorant Fellow!

truthman2012:
Moses in the Quran

The following are the explanations of the quran given by an islamic cleric about Moses. He used the Bible account to narrate the Quran even though he didn't insert biblical quotes there, I did.. If you removed the bible account, the quranic quotes become meaningless.

Infancy

In line with the Judaic view, we find out from the Quran that when Prophet Moses (pbuh) was born in Egypt, his life was in great danger as the Pharoah was persecuting the Israelites.

Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections depressing a group among them: their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females: for he was indeed a maker of mischief. (Quran 28:4)

Where is “he was born in Egypt” in that quranic quote?

What caused Pharaoh to be elated and slew their sons?

Whose sons as no Israelites was mentioned in the quranic quote?

Therefore, Moses’s mother was greatly worried about her son’s fate; then, the Quran specifies that God inspired her to take an unlikely action:

So We sent this inspiration to the mother of Moses: “Suckle (thy child) but when thou hast fears about him cast him, into the river, but fear not nor grieve: for We shall restore him to thee, and We shall make him one of Our messengers.” (Quran 28:7)

Moses’s sister hid and kept watch on the progress of her brother across the river. While the Torah maintains that the Pharoah’s daughter adopted Moses, the Quran differs. In fact, the Pharoah’s wife insisted that they adopt him (Exodus 2:2-4).

The wife of Pharaoh said: “(Here is) a joy of the eye for me and for thee: slay him not. It may be that he will be of use to us, or we may adopt him as a son.” And they perceived not (what they were doing)! (Quran 28:9)

Where is it stated in that quote that Moses’s sister hid and kept watch on the progress of her brother across the river in that quranic quote?

When Moses (pbuh) was hungry, he refused to nurse from any of the foster mothers provided for him. At this point, Moses’s sister posing as a bystander suggested she could bring someone who may be successful in feeding him; unbeknownst to his rescuers, she brought his own mother, a point mentioned in Exodus of the Torah as well. Of course, Moses readily nursed from her and the two were thus rejoined (Exodus 2:7-.

Thus did We restore him to his mother that her eye might be comforted, that she might not grieve and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true: but most of them do not understand. (Quran 28:13)

How was he restored, does that verse give the above narration?


Adulthood

Moses grew up in Pharoah’s home and was well-acquainted with the state affairs. When he reached adulthood, he once intervened in a fight between an Israelite and an Egyptian, killing the latter inadvertently. The Quran mentions that guilt consumed him and he asked God to forgive him; fearing for his life, he fled and migrated to Madian, where he found refuge in a household by marrying one of the daughters and serving her father (Exodus 2:10-11).

After some time, Moses returned to Egypt with his family. On the way, near Mount Tur, he saw a fire, and he proceeded towards it.

But when he came to the (Fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a tree in hallowed ground: “O Moses! Verily I am Allah the Lord of the Worlds…” (Quran 28:30)

How does that verse give the above biblical narration?

Where was he going and what was he doing before he came to the Fire?

Moses showed his unwavering faith in God when he led his followers to the Red Sea – Pharoah’s army was behind them, and the open sea in front (Exodus 14:21-28):

And when the two bodies saw each other, the people of Moses said: “We are sure to be overtaken.” (Moses) said: “By no means! My Lord is with me! Soon will He guide me!” Then We told Moses by inspiration: “Strike the sea with thy rod.” So it divided, and each separate part became like the huge, firm mass of a mountain. And We made the other party approach thither. We delivered Moses and all who were with him; but We drowned the others. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not believe. And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful. (Quran 26:61-68)

What was the preceding events that took place before the Istraelites were permitted by Pharaoh to leave Egypt?

In the Quran, God says that He spoke directly to Moses, but when he requested to see Him, God cast His reflected glory over a mountain and it turned to dust, causing Moses to faint (7:143). Over a period of forty nights, God revealed religious knowledge to Moses and chose him to continue to lead his people.

And We ordained laws for him in the Tablets in all matters, both commanding and explaining all things (and said): “Take these and hold these with firmness, and enjoin thy people to hold fast by the best in the precepts.” (Quran 7:145)

Moses was given Laws in Chapter 7 but was born in Chapter 28. Meaning he was given the Laws before he was born.

Chronological arrangement of the quran is terrible and it is believed to be deliberately so to mislead mankind.

Where was he given the Laws?

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/story-of-moses-in-the-quran/

The QORAN-For the Muslems

The OLD TESTAMENT- (TORAH)for the Jew

The NEW TESTAMENT-For the Christians

Please with your above explanation is it not true that your Bible is not complete without the Old Testament too?
Please show us where in the New testament that you can find the story you posted above?

truthman2012:
Muhammad called her 'Eve':

"Narrated Abu
Hurrairah: The Prophet said,
'Were it not for Bani Israel,
meat would not decay; and were
it not for EVE, no woman would
ever betray her
husband.'" (Sahih Bukhari,
Hadith 611, Volume 55)

The problem is not the nomenclature, how was Adam's wife created citing the quran?

Why didn't allahh say anything about it?

How is the quran from the true Creator?

{We created Man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape...} (Al-Hijr 15:26)

It also says what means:
{He began the creation of Man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid} (As-Sajdah 32:7-

{It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her in love.} (Al-A`raf 7:189)


 The Quran confirms that Hawwa` was indeed created out of Adam

{O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, Who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered [like seeds] countless men and women;—reverence God, through whom ye demand your mutual [rights], and [reverence] the wombs [that bore you]: for God ever watches over you.} (An-Nisaa’ 4:1)

Please can you show us where in the New Testament God mentioned EVE?or did he forget to mention both Eve and Adam?
Therefore how can we believe that it was inspired by God?

[quote author=truthman2012 post=33447982]I didn't say Muhammad prayed with Muslims, Pagans and Jinns, Sahih Bukhari did.

You said pagans prayed with Muhammad after he received the satanic verse which encouraged them to do so. Isn't it?

This still means the pagans found it convenient to pray islamically. Isn't it? It shows there was something connecting them. Would the Christians have done that? I mean born again Christians, not Christians like Pope.[/quote

Quran 53 v 19-30

19. Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs)

20. And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?

21. Is it for you the males and for Him the females?

22. That indeed is a division most unfair!

23. They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

24. Or shall man have what he wishes?

25. But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).

26. And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He wills and pleases.

27. Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.

28. While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.

29. Therefore withdraw (O Muhammad ) from him who turns away from Our Reminder (this Qur'an) and desires nothing but the life of this world.

30. That is what they could reach of knowledge. Verily, your Lord it is He Who knows best him who goes astray from His Path, and He knows best him who receives guidance.

Subject Matter

The theme of the discourse is to warn the disbelievers of Makkah about the error of the attitude that they had adopted towards the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

The discourse starts in a way as if to say: "Muhammad is neither deluded nor gone astray, as you are telling others in your propaganda against him, nor has he fabricated this teaching of Islam and its message, as you seem to think he has. In fact, whatever he is presenting is nothing but Revelation which is sent down to him. The verities that be presents before you, are not the product of his own surmise and speculation but realities of which he himself is an eye witness. He has himself seen the Angel through whom this knowledge is conveyed to him. He has been directly made to observe the great Signs of his Lord: whatever he says is not what he has himself thought out but what he has seen with his own eyes. Therefore, your disputing and wrangling with him is just like the disputing and wrangling of a blind man with a man of sight over a thing which the blind man cannot see but he can see."

After this, three things have been presented in their successive order:

First, the listeners have been made to understand that: "The religion that you are following is based on mere conjecture and invented ideas. You have set up a few goddesses like Lat and Manat and Uzza as your deities, whereas they have no share whatever in divinity. You regard the angels as the daughters of Allah, whereas you regard a daughter as disgraceful for your own selves. You think that these deities of fours can influence Allah in your favor, whereas the fact is that all the angels together, who are stationed closest to Allah, cannot influence Him even in their own favor. None of such beliefs that you have adopted, is based on knowledge and reason, but are wishes and desires for the sake of which you have taken some whims as realities. This is a grave error.

truthman2012:
I don't believe in all these stories of yours friend.

Abraham did not build Kaaba neither Ishmael. Quran says not prophet was sent to the Arabs before Muhammad. This shows Abraham and Ishmael as prophets were never in Mecca:

Ha!you have realy shown that you a pure ignorant only pretending to be knowledgable about your religion and Islam

The Prophecy of the yearly pilgrimage to Mecca in the Noble Quran:

"Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House [That is the Kaaba that he built], (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;  (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)"

  
In the Book of Genesis (Bible)
GOD PROMISED TO MAKE A NATION FROM HAGAR AND ABRAHAM
and that became ISLAM...

God made two separate promises to
Abraham for his two wives
HAGAR and SARA

Abraham's wife HAGAR received the following favor:

And also of the son of the bonds woman, I will make a nation also, because he {is} thy seed. Gen. 21:13
Ishmael (Ar. Ismail), was born to Hagar when Abraham was 86 years old. (Gen. 16:16). Ishmael married a daughter of the Jorhamite prince Mudad and she gave him an illustrious son named Kedar (Ar. Qaidar). Kedar was the ancestor of Adnan (Ar. Qais), who was the progenitor of the tribes of Northern Arabia and the forebear of the prophet of Islam. God's promise for making “a nation also” from the descendant of Ishmael was fulfilled, when the Islamic Nation was created from the descendants of Ishmael - the first born son. 
Abraham's wife SARAH received the following favor:

And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be {a mother} of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:16

In the Bible there is only one character that is named Kedar, the son of Ishmael. The Land where Kedarites had settled is called Arabia. In Isaiah chapter 42, the first seven verses prophecy the coming of Jesus. The prophecy for the coming of a new prophet in Arabia with a new scripture, begins with verse number eight. The text reads:

I {am} the Lord: that {is} my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Behold, the former things are come to pass, and the new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. `Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth'. Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voices, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains. Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the inlands."             Isaiah 42:8-12.

The story of Hagr and Ishmael

she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.  God was with the boy as he grew up.  He lived in the desert and became an archer.  While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.  At that time Abimelech and Phicol the commander of his forces said to Abraham, "God is with you in everything you do.   (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 21:19-22)"

[quote author=truthman2012 post=33303831]Circumambulation 7 Times


Judaism and Christianity (the religions of those who are considered People of the Book) do not practice ritual circumambulation to please God. Two other faiths which do are Hinduism and Buddhism, religions older than Islam and accused by Islam of “paganism” and practicing idolatry.

quote]

Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

"Behold!  We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House (i.e., the Kaaba), (Saying):  'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer).  And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;   (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)"

Let us look at the following verses from the Bible:

Joshua 6:14-16
14 So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days.
15 On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times.
16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city!

It is unknown why the Jews circled or circumambulated Jerusalem seven times.  The number 7 is unknown.  It's just there in the Scriptures.  If anything, this proves that there is a lot more from rituals and Commands, in the Bible, that are missing today. 

The black stone was originally given to Abraham who built the Kaba used the black stone as a corner stone for the Kaba. Abraham and Ishmael taught the early Meccan Arabs monotheism; after the passing on of Abraham and Ishmael the Meccan Arabs, with time, regressed into pagan practices such as idol worship and they ended up having a pantheon of gods despite the original message of Abraham and Ishmael which taught the early Arabs to worship Allah alone (monotheism) [3].

Prophet Muhammed (p) was sent to bring these Arabs back to the teachings of Abraham and outlaw polytheistic and pagan practices (i.e. purify the teachings of Abraham from the polytheistic practices which were innovated into the teachings with time) [3]. Thus any history of the black stone being worshipped by pagan Arabs has no bearing on Islam whatsoever.

truthman2012:
So, I wrote the hadith I cited? Other hadiths you quoted are CONTRADICTIONS in islam.

The other time you said I fabricated Quran 2:158 Pickthal translation that islam is paganism until your lie is discovered by the readers. Keep deceiving your own self.

This is the truth about the Quran 2 v158.
Says:
Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah . So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing.
This act of running between Safa and Marwa by a woman was so much loved by Allah that Allah has made running between Safa and Marwa compulsory for every man and Woman who performs Hajj. Allah mentioned in Quran:2 v158

The great woman was Hajira (May Allah be pleased with her). She was the wife of Prophet Ibrahim (A.S). Haajar/ Hajira was the daughter of king of Egypt and Her son was Prophet Ismael (A.S). Hajira’s sacrifice took place when she was left alone with her baby in the valley of Makkah all for the sake of Allah.

Ibn Abbaas (R.A) narrated the story of Haajar/Hajira, the wife of Ibraheem and the mother of his son Ismaeel. He said:

Ibraheem brought Hajira and her son Ismaeel while she was suckling him, to a place near the Kabah under a tree on the spot of Zamzam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Hajira followed him saying: “O Ibraheem! Where are you going leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything?” She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her. Then she asked him: “Has Allah ordered you to do this?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then He will not neglect us” and returned while Ibrahim went on his way. When he reached al-Thaniyyah, where they could not see him, he faced the Ka’bah, and raising both hands, prayed to Allah in the following words:

“O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in an uncultivable valley by Your Sacred House (the Kaabah at Makkah) in order, O our Lord, that they may perform As‑Salaah (Iqaamat‑as‑Salaah). So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits so that they may give thanks”[ Ibraaheem 14:37]

Ismaeel’s mother went on suckling Ismael and drinking from the water (she had). When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at her child tossing in agony. She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of al-Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from al-Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached al-Marwa where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times.

Ibn Abbaas said: the Prophet (P.B.U.H) said: “This is the source of the tradition of the walking between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, “O (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?” And she saw an angel at the place of Zamzam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water started flowing out after she had scooped some of it.”

Ibn Abbaas said: The Prophet (P.B.U.H) added: “May Allah bestow Mercy on Ismael’s mother! Had she left the Zamzam alone (flowing without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zamzam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth.” The Prophet (P.B.U.H) further added, “Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her: ‘Don’t be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people’
Today we drink from Zamzam and it is ever flowing water. When you go for Hajj, remember the struggle of this great woman. What a great example of Status of women in Islam!!

truthman2012:
So, I wrote the hadith I cited? Other hadiths you quoted are CONTRADICTIONS in islam.

The other time you said I fabricated Quran 2:158 Pickthal translation that islam is paganism until your lie is discovered by the readers. Keep deceiving your own self.

Another Intellectual Fraudster.please show us your Hadiths that you quoted and let's see if you will not be Busted.
Again proove it to us that the hadith I quoted are Contradictions in Islam.Am waiting.
You are nothing but an agent of Evil and the Almighty God will surely destroy like he destroyed your predecessors!Ameen

truthman2012:
Your story here is not believable, without prejudice please.

I have engaged with muslims on the satanic verse issue and what they said then was that Muhammad was not reconciling the idols to unite them but he was condemning them. Then, if he was condemning them, why would the pagans join him in worship:

[Quran 53:19-23 Pickthal]
19. Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
20. And Manat, the third, the other?
21. Are yours the males and His the females?
22. That indeed were an unfair division!
23. They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.

At that time, I accused muslims of Muhammad reconciling pagans and they relied on verse 23 to say no, he was condemning them. You are now using the same occassion to justify Muhammad praying with pagans. No! Not acceptable.

Anyway, as far as I know, the occassion when Muhammad had unity of faith with pagans is not related to the satanic verse which was later abroggated.

But let's look at it: why should Muhammad receive message from satan? Did he not know the voice of his lord? Tell me, which past prophets received messages from satan in error? I tell you, it is all about spiritual manipulations. May God open your spiritual eyes.

In fact you are nothing but a confused fellow and also an intellectual fraudster.where in the tread I posted did you see me agree to your Lies that muhammed prayed with the pegan in mecca?If you are not the one full of prejudice,was it not you that claimed that muahammed pray with the pegans?
I only replied you to refute your allegation on muhammed praying with the pegans by stating that when the muslims that were in abyssinia got news of the allegations they thought the pagans had become muslims,but were dissapointed to discover that the news was all but pack of lies when they came back to mecca from abyssinia.
So I ask you again did that show that he prayed with pegans in mecca?

This is your post''Muhammad prayed with Muslims and Pagans and Jinns''.
So I ask you again who is the Lier here?

Even the Quranic verse that you quoted did not show that he prayed with the Pegans in mecca.What a big SHAME on you!

This is your Quran Refrence,please show me where in the Verse that he prayed with the Meccan pagans?

Quran 53:19-23 Pickthal]
19. Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza
20. And Manat, the third, the other?
21. Are yours the males and His the females?
22. That indeed were an unfair division!
23. They are but names which ye have named, ye and your fathers, for which Allah hath revealed no warrant. They follow but a guess and that which (they) themselves desire. And now the guidance from their Lord hath come unto them.
LIERS SHALL NEVER PROSPER!GOD is waiting for you its only a matter of Time.

truthman2012:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 006, Book 060, Hadith Number 385.
Narrated By Ibn Abbas : The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Muhammad prayed with Muslims and Pagans and Jinns.

The pagans found it convenient to pray with Muhammad because they worshiped the same god (idol). Allah was the chief of the idols inside Kaaba and all others were under him. Would it not be convenient for the pagans to worship their chief god?

This is the true story.Please Read

The Prophet (peace be upon him) never uttered those verses. To sum it all up, the story basically states that when the Prophet (peace be upon him) was leading the prayer one time near the Ka'bah, he was reciting Surah 53:19-20 and then immediately after he recited those verses, he said "those are the high-flying cranes and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for" so the Quraysh tribe were so thrilled that the Prophet (peace be upon him) spoke so positively about their Gods that they also prostrated with the Muslims after he recited those verses. Afterwards, Allah sent down a verse rebuking the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) (Surah 17:73-75)

Ibn Sad says that before this, in the Rajab of the 5th year of Prophethood, a small group of the Companions had emigrated to Abyssinia. Then, when in the Ramadan of the same year this incident took place the news spread that the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) had recited Surah An-Najm publicly in the assembly of the Quraish and the whole assembly, including the believers as well as the disbelievers, had fallen down in prostration with him. When the emigrants to Abyssinia heard this news they formed the impression that the disbelievers of Makkah had become Muslims. Thereupon, some of them returned to Makkah in the Shawwal of the 5th year of Prophethood, only to learn that the news was wrong and the conflict between Islam and disbelief was raging as furiously as before. Consequently, the second emigration to Abyssinia took place, in which many more people left Makkah.

Thus, it becomes almost certain that this Surah was revealed in the Ramadan of 5th year of Prophethood. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 53, Source)  

The very first verse indicates that this Surah was revealed on the occasion of Mi`raj (Ascension). According to the Traditions and books on the life of the Holy Prophet, this event happened one year before Hijrah. Thus, this Surah is one of those, which were revealed in the last stage of Prophethood at Makkah. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 17, Source)  

And the verse that supposedly abrogated it was revealed in 1 A.H, which is approximately 8 years after the incident:  

The sudden change of the style from v. 25 shows that probably vv. 25-78 were sent down in the month of Zul-Hijjah in the very first year after Hijrah. This is indicated by vv. 25-41 and confirmed by the occasion of the revelation of vv. 39-40. (Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur'an, Commentary on Surah 22, Source)  

Are they trying to say that the Muslims believed that the Satanic revelations were true revelations for approximately eight years? That would mean that the Quraysh would have believed that the Muslims were pagan worshippers. So if the Quraysh did believe this, then why did they keep on persecuting the Muslims for their beliefs, which is the reason why the Hijra took place anyway?  

 

Obviously, one should also continue reading the remainder of the Surah:

19-25] Now tell: Have you ever pondered over the reality of this Lat, and this `Uzza, and another, the third goddess, Manat?15 Are the sons for you and the daughters for Allah?16 This would indeed be an unfair division! These are nothing but mere names which you and your forefathers have invented. Allah has sent down no authority for them.17 The fact is that the people are following mere conjecture and the lusts of their souls,18 even though right guidance has come to them from their Lord.19 Is it that whatever man desires should become the truth for him?20 To Allah belongs the present and the Hereafter.

[26-28] How many an angel is there in the heavens! Their intercession can avail nothing until Allah permits it in favor of whomever He wills and is pleased with.21 But those who do not believe in the Hereafter. name the angels with the names of goddesses,22 although they have no knowledge of this. They follow mere conjecture,23 and conjecture can avail nothing against the Truth.

  
Truth will always prevail.

truthman2012:
Sahih Bukhari Volume 006, Book 060, Hadith Number 385.
Narrated By Ibn Abbas : The Prophet performed a prostration when he finished reciting Surat-an-Najm, and all the Muslims and pagans and Jinns and human beings prostrated along with him.

Muhammad prayed with Muslims and Pagans and Jinns.

The pagans found it convenient to pray with Muhammad because they worshiped the same god (idol). Allah was the chief of the idols inside Kaaba and all others were under him. Would it not be convenient for the pagans to worship their chief god?

Jinns are said to be invisible beings. Even though some of them are said to have become muslims according to the quran, they remain invisible. I therefore wonder how they could see the jinns praying with them.

Islam is full of fables and lies.

Now I see that this is what you know how to do best,spreading lies against Islam.All your posts are just lies because the moment one begin to check your claims one would be surprised to Discorver that they are all pack of LIES.
Without mincing words it is obvious that your aim is to cause mischief in the society where there is peace.
Your bible says by their Fruits you shall know them.

Quran says: 
Surah 2 : Al - Baqara

In the name of Allah, the Owner and Giver of Mercy

(1) Alif, Lam, Mim

(2) This Book contains without doubt a guidance for those who are aware (of Allah)

(3) Those who believe in what is hidden, and maintain prayer, and spend from what We have provided for them.

(4) And those who believe in what has been sent down to you, and in what had been sent down before you, and are certain about the Hereafter.

(5) They are the ones who follow the guidance from their Lord, and they are the ones who will succeed.


 (6)  Those, however, who reject (the guidance), it makes no difference to them whether you warn them or warn them not, they will not believe.

(7)  Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing and placed a blindfold over their eyes, and severe punishment awaits them.

(  There are also those kind of people who say, we believe in Allah and the Last Day, but they believe not.

(9)  They try to cheat Allah and the believers, but cheat only themselves, without realising.

(10) There is an illness in their hearts, and Allah increases that illness for them, and painful punishment awaits them because of their lying.

(11) And when they are told: do not make mischief in the earth, they say, we are only making things better.

(12) Oh no, they are the mischief-makers, but they realise it not.

(13) And when they are told: believe as ordinary people do, they say, should we believe as the fools do? - oh no, they are the fools, but they know it not.

(14) And when they meet those who believe, they say: we believe, but when they are alone with their devils, they say: we are with you, we are just making fun of them.

(15) Allah makes fun of them, and lets them get lost in their rebellion.

(16) Those are the ones who have traded error for guidance, and their trade will not prosper, and they are not going to be guided.

(17) Their example is like someone who lights a fire, and when it lights up his surroundings, Allah takes their light away and leaves them in darkness unable to see.

(18) Deaf, dumb and blind - so they cannot return.

(19) Or like a rain cloud from the sky with darkness, thunder and lightning in it; they put their fingers in their ears out of fear from the impact of the thunder, and Allah surrounds those who reject (the guidance).

(20) The lightning almost takes away their eyesight; whenever it lights up for them, they walk with it, and when it becomes dark for them, they stop. If Allah wished, He would have taken away their hearing and their eyesight. Allah has the power to do anything.

(21) Oh people, serve your Lord who created you and those before you, so that you are aware of Him.

(22) He Who made the earth spread out for you, and the sky a cover, and sent water down from the sky, with which He makes fruit grow from the earth as provision for you. So do not knowingly set up partners for Allah.

(23) And if you have doubts about what We have sent down to Our servant (Muhammad), produce a similar Surah with the help of anyone you like besides Allah, if you are truthful.

(24) But if you don’t do that - and you can never do it - then beware of the fire promised for those who reject (the guidance), which is fuelled by people and stones.