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Sweetnecta:
I DONT THINK OF YOU IFEANN MORE THAN WHAT YOU REALLY ARE WHICH IS THE REASON I AM LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE JUST 1 AMONG THE LARGE CROWD.

@myttleylaff; BUHARI IS A NAME. ALLAH IS A NAME. BUHARI SAYS I AM BUHARI. ALLAH SAYS I AM ALLAH.
PRESIDENT IS A TITLE; THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY CALLED NIGERIA. CREATOR IS A TITLE; THE CREATOR OF ALL.

AND AS TO GOD/god, MY GOD MAY BE god TO YOU BECAUSE I WORSHIP HIM, BUT YOU DONT.
ALLAH IS THE NAME OF MY GOD. GOD/god IN ARABIC IS ILLAH WHILE THE GOD IS REAL, THE god IS NOT REAL;
THE GOD IS ALLAH, THE god IS AL UZZA, AL MANAH, ETC, EACH OF THE god BEING IDOL AND NOW DESTROYED.
ALLAH WAS NEVER REPRESENTED ON EARTH BY ANYTHING PHYSICAL DURING THE TIME THE ARABS ADOPTED PAGANISM.

BELOW IS DEFINITION OF GOD/god; www.thefreedictionary.com/god

god
Also found in: Medical, Legal, Acronyms, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
god (gŏd)
n.
1. God
a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.


ENGLISH IS NOT THE STANDARD LANGUAGE OF SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE, AT LEAST NOT IN ISLAM. IF ARABS AND MUSLIMS SAY ALLAH IS A PROPER NAME FOR A BEING THAT THE ENGLISH WILL SAY IS GOD THE CREATOR, NOT THE GODS THAT HAVE EXISTED WHILE NONE OF THEM IS THE BEING THAT IS TRULY GOD, HOW DO YOU ARGUE AGAINST THAT WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF THE DEPTH OF THE TRUTH OF THE STATEMENT? DOESNT ELOI, ELAH OF SCOFFIELD BIBLE SOUND LIKE ALLAH AND NOT LIKE YAHWEH, JEHOVAH OR GOD?




www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=28&chapter=4

ALLAH IN THE BIBLE

The above exercise proves that El, Elah and Elohim are not three distinctly different words. They all represent the single Arabic word Allah. This is not my wishful thinking. Please see below. It is a photostatic reproduction of a page from the English Bible, edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield,D.D., with his Bible Commentary· This Doctor of Divinity is well respected among the Bible Scholars of the Christian world. He is backed in his "NEW AND IMPROVED EDITION" of this translation by a galaxy of eight other D.D.'s:

Rev. Henry G. Weston, D.D., LL.D., President Crozer Theological jeminary.
Rev. W. G. Moorehead, D.D., President Xenia (U.I,) Theological Seminary.
Rev. lames M. Gray, D.D., President Moody Bible Institute.
Rev. Elmore Harris, D.D., President Toronto Bible Institute.
Rev. William !. Erdman, D.D., Author "The Gospel of John," etc.
Rev. Arthur T. Pierson, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher, etc.
Rev. William L. Pettingill, D.D., Author, Editor, Teacher.
Arno C. Gaebelein, Author "Harmoney of Prophetic Word," etc.

I have not listed the above luminaries to awe you. They have been unanimous in supporting Rev. Scofield in his "New and Improved" commentary.

Please note that in their comment No. 1 below left, they concur that - "Elohim, (sometimes El or Elah meaning God)" and alternatively spelled "Alah" (line three, third word). All the eight D.D.'s above could not have been blind in dittoing the spelling "Alah" for God. How far were they from the Arabic word spelled - ALLAH - in English, I ask you dear reader? This is Allah's handiwork, but the Devil (I must give him a capital "," he deserves it) was not slow in making a quick come-back through his agents. He succeeded in firing all the D.D.'s responsible for that debacle, and had them replaced by nine others with more impressive degrees than the previous lot. You will find them in the recent reproduction of "The New Scofield Reference Bible." You will not be able to lay your hands anymore on the Bible with "Alah" in it. The Devil has seen to that.
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MY ONLY PLEA

I had made some public statements regarding my discovery of the word "Alah" as alternatively spelled from the usual Christian spelling "Elah." My plea to the Christians was this that spell the word as you like, with an "A" or an "E", with a single "L" or double "LL's", but for goodness sake pronounce the word correctly, as we Muslims do. Because even with its proper Anglicised spelling -
A L L A H: "IT IS SO FAR FROM ITS ARABIC ORIGINAL, WHEN PRONOUNCED WITH A THIN ENGLISH CONSONANT AND FEEBLE VOWELS, THAT MANY AN ARAB MUSLIM WOULD FIND IT UNRECOGNIZABLE." Says Rev. Kenneth Cragg, the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem in his book, "The Call of the Minaret," page 36.

As much as the Englishman has the right to dictate to us as to how his language is to be sounded, surely we Muslims have as much right to demand a common courtesy when taking the name of God. We do not wish the word Allah to go into limbo like the "Yahuwa" of the ]ews. More than 6000 times the formula "YAHUWA ELAH," or ya"HUWA ALAH," or "HUWALLAH," (He is Allah!) occur in the Hebrew manuscripts of the Jewish Bible, commonly called the "Old Testament," by the Christians. If this fact is openly acknowledged by the learned men of Christianity and broadcasted as Rev. Scofield had done then the day for Muslims and Christians to worship God together would not be far distant. But the Devil will not have it. Vested interests are involved. Instead of pronouncing the word ALAH correctly, they would rather have the whole word omitted.

QUICK ABROGATION

"Now You See It" - "Now You Don't" is an old, old gimmick in the West. Compare the above and see how cleverly, how deftly the new band of missionaries expunged the word "Alah" from the "Authorised King James Version" of the Scofield translation of the Bible1. . . .


1. For further examples of the Christian gymnastics in the Bible, see Chapter 4 in my book - "Is the Bible God's Word?".

UNIQUE NAME FOR UNIQUE GOD

. . . "Further, in English, if some gentleman was to look after somebody's child as a guardian, we would say that he is a "godfather" to the child, and the woman - a "god- mother" to the child. And if one tried to be a bit too funny, a bit too clever, one would say -'What do you think of yourself, are you a tin god!' We spell god with a capital "G" (God), and we spell god with a small "g" (god), which creates in your minds grades and grades of divinities." . . .


. . . You have a variety of choices in the list above. Take your pick like that old woman who lit one candle to St. Michael and another to the Devil. So that whether she went to Heaven or to Hell she would have a friend.

Jupiter the god of Heaven
Pluto the god of Hell
Mars the god of War
Neptune the god of the Sea and
Zeus the god-father of them all

with his many wives and many children. His Hercules, his Appolo, his Horus, his Isis and Osiris.

MuttleyLaff:
Now with the above, you have just confirm beyond reasonable doubt that you are a shameless incorrigible so and so
How can you lift an entire article word for word and not give credit to the owner or paste the source

Dont know what else to do if after giving you some proper "education", a bit of Bible 101 of the below, you cant swallow your pride, suck it up and stop whining.

YHWH is Allah's direct addressing (i.e. Allah/God's name). YHWH is God's name.
It is a proper noun and not an adjective like Al-Samad and others of the sort are

The Jews feel God's name (i.e. YHWH) is too sacred to mention, utter or write down, so whenever or instead of writing YHWH they say or replace it with Adonai, Adonai means owner and its English equivalent is Lord

Your plagiarised article is ignorant that, as Allah is God in Arabic, so "Eloi" is God in Aramaic.

The Hebrews, all dont necessarily speak or understand Aramaic which is why they said "He is calling of Eli" thinking He was calling on Elijah
not realising Jesus actually was saying "My God, my God...."

Part of my response to Sweetnecta touches on parts in your last post
Catch up with it here https://www.nairaland.com/2062613/spirit-truth-holly-bible/2#34293991
and then wallow in ignorance my friend, as I have now un-followed this thread

MuttleyLaff:
No I did not ask where Allah calls is name Allah, as I know Allah isnt God's name
I asked for a verse where Allah (i.e. God) said what His name is
but you came back with Allah, which is a title and a bunch of other attributes or adjectives describing Allah/God's attributes

No you gave a verse saying "I am Allah, call me whatever name under the sun etc". The verse at no point say "My name is this or that, or call me by this or that name"
You mistake qualifying with twisting
I had to qualify the question and asked that, just like the Bible verses I showed earlier, where in the Quran, did Allah or God say "My name is so-so or so"

under which stone have you been living?
God has already has told us what His name is. Numerous times He said it.
Do these verses mean anything to you Alfa?
Exodus 6:3
and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD (YHWH) I was not known to them

Exodus 6:3
I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai--'God Almighty'--but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

You mean the plagiarism that followed
That article which is riddled with misleading interpretation of what YHWH means
Let's give you a bit of Bible 101
YHWH is Allah's direct addressing, it is God's name. It is a proper noun and not an adjective like Al-Samad and others of the sort are
The Jews feel God's name (i.e. YHWH) is too sacred to mention, utter or write down, so whenever or instead of writing YHWH they say or replace it with Adonai, Adonai means owner and its English equivalent is Lord
Your plagiarised article made is ignorant that that as Allah is God in Arabic, so "Eloi" is God in Aramaic
The Hebrews all dont necessarily speak or understand Aramaic which is why they said "He is calling of Eli" not realising Jesus actually was saying "My God, my God...."

cc Ifeann
SMH, I had to quote you and for posterity sake, let all SEE and READ THIS PLAGIARISM
I though you were a honest poster but have noticed if you arent doing Taqiyya
then you are up with treacheries, passing on other peoples' work as yours
You are that lazy, you couldnt be original and had to palm off other people's write up verbatim as yours
You cant be trusted to be above board. Shame on you

MuttleyLaff:
"Call upon Allah" means Call upon God, Rahman means Most Gracious (i.e. still an adjective and another of God's many atrributes)
and "by whatever name ye call upon Him" is not His name
The Quran gives you a blank canvass about God's real or actual name,
whereas the Bible has God (i.e. Allah) so many times categorically state what His name is

Yes I can see but where does it says what Allah's, God's direct name is

This actually means In The Name of Allah The Most merciful,The Most Gracious but what is the name of Allah gan-gan. What is God's name ogbeni.

There is this Yoruba adage which says: "Ai tete mu ole, ole nmu oloko"
loosely meaning, "the thief is raising the alarm before the owner does"

Again as earlier told Sweetnecta, the word for God in Arabic is, Allah
whereas Rabb is, Lord in English, and Adonai in Hebrew. Rabb is an adjective and not a noun.
Please stop all this Taqiyya, and if its not genuine Taqiyya, then curb the ignorance

When Sweetnecta was asked to share the verse where Allah says: "My name is so-so and so" he dismally failed to do so
Here is giving you the opportunity to share with all where Allah categorically says: "My name is so-so and so"

Here are a few examples for you to follow showing Allah in the Bible saying what His name is:

Exodus 6:3
and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty, but by my name the LORD (YHWH) I was not known to them

Exodus 6:3
I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai--'God Almighty'--but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

Isaiah 42:8
"I am Yahweh. That is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to engraved images

Psalm 68:4
Sing to God! Sing praises to His name. Exalt Him who rides on the clouds -- His name is Yahweh--and rejoice before Him

Sweetnecta and eshbeewanna, who is and what is YHWH, otherwise known as Yahweh or Jehovah in Exodus 6:3, Isaiah 42:8 and Psalm 68:4

Dont keep us waiting, please also kindly attempt matching verses in the Quran JUST LIKE ONES IN BIBLE VERSES ABOVE where Allah categorically states what His name is or where His name (i.e. direct address) is categorically stated

MuttleyLaff:
^^^

You keep dropping adjectives of Allah or attributes of God, without giving us the proper name.
Give us a verse where Allah said: "My name is so-so and so..."

Maamin:
Hahahaha..i smell al-takiyyah, you lied very passionately. Here is what wiki says about the meaning of the words 'Ar-rabb' and 'Allah'....

Ar-Rabb

Rabb (Arabic: رب‎, Turkish: Rab is an Arabic word meaning Lord, Sustainer, Cherisher, Master, Nourisher. In Islam, Ar-Rabb is often used to address Allah, although Ar-Rabb is not one of the 99 names (or attributes) of Allah. When it is used with the definite article 'Ar' (Ar-Rabb) the Arabic word refers to Allah. As for other than Allah, it can be used to say Rabb Ad-Dar, the master of such and such object or the nourisher of such and such object. Rabb is also a common and acceptable first and/or last name throughout the world.
The literal meaning of the word is Sustainer, Master and/or "Nourisher", and in that sense, a man is the "rabb" of his house. With the same root is the verb yurabbi, meaning "raise" (as in raise a child).Rabb also mean the "Creator" as it is refer in the Quran several times "رب العالمين". However, Rabb covers such a wide meaning, that other languages lack an equivalent of the word.[citation needed] Some have explained it to mean a fostering things in such a manner as to make them attain one condition after another until they reach their goal of completion. Thus, it conveys not only the idea of fostering, bringing up or nourishing, but also that of regulating, completing, accomplishing, cherishing, sustaining and bringing to maturity by evolution from the earliest state to that of the highest perfection. The Quran, in Surah Fatihah, introduces this name in the beginning, "All praise and gratitude is due to Allah, Rabb of all the worlds." Note that it mentions "Rabb of all the worlds", thus stating clearly that he takes care, nourishes, fosters through every stage of existence, everything that exists.

Pre-Islamic Arabians used to believe that, while there were multiple 'aalihah (gods), only Allah was the Rabb (Lord/sustainer) of the earth and heavens. He is believed to be the abstract Supreme Being who is beyond any resemblance and the one who governs the heavens and earth.[citation needed]. In pre-Islamic Arabia, which is commonly referred to as the Jahiliya era, the worship of God(Allah) along other lesser gods was common, but Mohammad introduced a different religion centered on Allah. One of Mohammad's aims was to reintroduce Allah as being the "Rabbu alAAalameen" Or "رَبِّ الْعَالَمِينَ" which translates as "the Lord of the Worlds", who is beyond being solely a creator, but also the Only Deity who should be recognized by all men . Going back in history, other prophets, such as Abraham (in the Islamic view) and Moses, were also preaching to introduce God(Allah)as the Rabb(Lord) and say: Surely we are the apostles of the Lord of the worlds" [26:16] ... "قَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ وَمَا رَبُّ الْعَالَمِينَ " which may translate as "Pharaoh said: And what is the Lord of the worlds?" [26:23] "قَالَ رَبُّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا ۖ إِن كُنتُم مُّوقِنِينَ" which translates as "Musa"(Moses) said: The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, if you would be sure." [26:24]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabb

Allah

Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/;[1] Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤˈlˤɑːh]) is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally "the God".[2][3][4] The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.[5][6]

It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam,[7] but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.[8] It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.[5][9][10] Christians and Sikhs in West Malaysia also use and have used the word to refer to God. This has caused political and legal controversies there as the law in West Malaysia prohibits non-Islamic uses of the word.[11][12][13][14]

so if Ar-Rabb is literally translated into (the lord) and Allah is translated literally as 'the God. I think you have not answered my question. I said what is the name of your Allah.?

Maamin:
Which of my questions above did you answer?

Maamin:
I can say the same for you too



In other words You muslims always get Jesus wrong often times whenever he says anything in the bible.




How do you know that the Holy spirit does not talk like human being? Have you any encounter with tho holy spirit before? Take a sit jaré!



Did muhammed came during the time of Jesus disciples as he Jesus said to his disciples? Do you also believe in the part he Jesus said the holy spirit will take from what is his? For all what the father owns is His as well..do you believe Jesus have a father and a God?



Oh! Yes the Holy spirit has ever been present but not to everyone but specific spiritual head and rulers of that time...but as gift that comes with the new covenant (brit hadasha) brought to the world by the Son of God, the holy spirit is now given to all believers in Christ Jesus. Yes the Holy spirit is the power of God ministering to believers in it own different and unique level just like Christ has done in the past...and of course the bible spoke about people like you who will neither see or recognise the Holy spirit.



Irrelevant repetition.

Ovacoma:
Acts 5:3 says ... To lie unto the Holy Ghost. Acts 13 :2 says ...the Holy Ghost said ... But, answers those my questions, or comforter will be killing, raping, raiding, ?etc.

Ovacoma:
was Muhammad sent from God in the name of Jesus? Did Muhammad come to the disciples of Jesus on the Pentecost? Does Muhammad live forever? Did Muhammad comfort Jesus disciples? Jesus says i will not leave u comfortless. how many years did it take Muhammad to show up? Can a comforter from God be killing people, raiding caravans, rapping slaves, lying, womanising, etc? Haba, can't quran only defend muha? Please, let peace reign!

dolphinheart:
@ eshbeewanna

Questions I've asked you and you vehemently refused to answer.

(1) Pls where did I state that
"cleansing is not the same
meaning with treatment for
leprosy in the bible".
Ur refusal to provide a post I used the same exact words in
my sentence will put the tag of
Liar on you

If you claimed cleansing is the same meaning with treatment.Why did you say the bible did not provide cure for leprosy, treatment is the same thing as Cure according to the dictionary.
Again in your statement below you said cleansing begins when the person must have been certified clean.Certified clean how?what is the essense of ceremonial cleansing again then?When the person as been certified clean.Is it free from the disease you meant?How did person get free from the disease if the same you said again that during the time of moses there was no cure for leprosy.
Can't you see how foolish you are?
I want to ask you again what is treatment(Cure-dictionary meaning) and what is cleansing? since cleansing is not cure by your explanation.
The most stupid statement you now made is that at the end you agreed that the ceremonial cleansing now heal or cure the leprosy.Only for you to contradict yourself again that the bible does not provide a cure doesnt mean people don't get cured at the of your statement.
The question is where do you stand realy?
If,we are to go by your statement it means the bible only give a spiritual ceremony of prevention of the disease and also ceremonial cleansing of the person and not physical cure.Since the bible did not give a physical cure according to you.
But the truth is anytime the bible talk about healing or cure,it is both physical and spiritual because healing or cure wouldn't occur if its not physical.
You see how you shot yourself again!
I guess I have taken my time enough to show you the truth,which your bible corroborated.Is just that your heart is seriously pervarted to the truth therefore you deserve not to be giving attention.
Therefore I ask you again the cleansing that you claimed heal or cure the leper is what?does it provide cure or treatement?since you again said there was no cure for leprosy during the time of moses who himself brought the law.You are nothing but a crook!
Check your statement below.

"There is also something I want you to understand, being clean or unclean under the mosaic law is far far more than the contacting of deseases, it includes spiritual and social matters. There is a process that the isrealites follow in being termed as clean when they have been previously unclean and most of these process includes a ceremonial cleansing , but that ceremonial cleansing is done after the person or thing has been certified as clean, eg free from the disease, has received pardon for his spiritual sins or has done the right thing in their society.

In the bible,during moses time, there is no physical cure for leprosy , ur thinking that the bible provides a cure for leprosy is where you are getting the whole proccess wrong .the whole process in the case of leprosy is to prevent further spread of the desease and to certify a victim of the desease as healed or cured of the desease. That the bible does not provide a cure does not mean that individuals do not get cured."
You can see that you don't even know what you are saying anymore.What a pity!

(2)You accused me of being a
hypocrite for not believing in the mosaic law, I asked you to
provide proof where I said I dnt
believe the mosaic law, up till
now, no proof on where I said
that.


(3)Are you saying that I said that"you should just believe by
heart and not by practise"? If its so pls show me where I said it,? and if not , pls tell me why you added it to ur post? . Pls I beg u , dnt jump my questions.

I said it,you are devoid of sound reasoning.If your shallow brain can't tell you that saying you are not obliged to follow a particular laws means you don't believe in the law.Its obvious you have a big problem because your bible never tells you that you should just believe and not obliged to follow.
Since you noticed you have been defeated the only thing you do is just to ask senseless question that one should proof that you said it.Even when your statement point to the fact that it means you don't believe.If you believe will you be saying you are not obliged?

(4)When you make statements,
pls add prove to ur statements,
you said christians still follow
the ten commandments, which
command do they follow and
how? Explain the command you think they follow and ill show u ur flaw. If you dnt , then the hypocrisy u accuse me of stays with you as a brand anywhere you go.

Why can't you for once be reasonable.Do true christians go against the ten commandement?if no.Is it wrong to say you are following it?


(5) I'm not ashamed of asking you if you practise the mosaic law , you state that the mosaic law is from God, do you follow the law as stated(word for word, giving from God to moses) by moses?
if yes, let us know , if no , let us
know.

.
(6)Or do you take part of it(mosaic law), leave part of it and adjust parts of it under the pretense of review?


(7)Are you saying that Gods law can be reviewed ? That it is not perfect so it needs review from time to time? PLS ANSWER MY QUESTIONs!!.

(For example, the mosaic law
made statements on how the
Sabbath should be observed,
so do you follow that? Why did
you remove it in ur review?

You are not intelligent and knowledgable if you were, such question wouldn't arise again because have answered you ealier.if you need more answer open a thread on that.


(9)On the issue of leviticus you
quoted, I want you , you ,you!!,
to tell us who you believe
authored those words you
posted. Is it ur own words u
created from ur mind, or is it a
fabrication included in a book?
Or is it of divine origin ?

Again you are showing me how foolish you are when it comes to asking question.How many times will I answer you on that?

(10)If I find fault in ur book, does common sense teach that the solution of the fault I find in ur book is to find fault in my book too? Does that remove the fault I found in ur book? Are you saying the two books are faulty?

Look at another senseless question.You called someone an orphan but you don't want the person to let people know that you are an orphan too.
Do you have the moral right to do that in the first place?

(11)Now let's analyse ur statement again and you at it from ur side. U said Jesus (a prophet you believe in ) made a statement about the mosaic law and said not a word will pass away from it, has a word or letter not been removed from the mosaic law when you reviewed it to make the Islamic law? Has the Islamic law not removed some words from the mosaic law in creating
something similar ? If your
answer is yes, then you are
saying Jesus is a liar, if ur
answer is no, then you have to
proof that every letter in the
mosaic law is found in the
Islamic law.

You can see how you have proved to people that your are not someone to be trusted.If jesus tells you the above statement.Is it how you percieved it that Jesus meant?Its only a crooked and dull person like you that will percieve it in your own way because your mind is pervarted!
Jesus only mean that the laws must be obeyed by every believer without leaving any out.If you want to know whether we practise the laws create a thread on that!
Concerning your brother that you made refrence to.You are just birds of the same feather.when he noticed he has been floored he began to shoot in himself just like you to the extent he said he wouldn't reply me anymore but only for him to go back to his vomits again.Isnt it pathetic!
In respect to someone you claimed he didn't read my post.I wouldn't know where you got that from. if what you are saying is the truth.Even if the person said that does he meant what you are trying to insinuate?Obviously is not everybody that reads other people thread especially when you have someone you are debating with.You may not neccessarily follow other peoples thread.And what is so special about the person?
You can see again how naïve,pervart,foolish and also childish you are.My debate with you is just to reveal your mission here on this platform,which I have achieved already.

yazach:
I doubt it rather you should check your self because for you not to know that the bible mentioned that a tree speaks is a clear indication of your ignorance or hallucination

But since you agreed you don't know much about your own religion, why are you displaying the shame on the internet

here is a verse in the book you believe that says trees speaks but you are denying it here. i will try to analyze it in your way

the trees went forth to anoint a king over them,
Trees anoint = hallucination OR manifestation of God glory by truthman212

and they said to the olive tree, ‘Reign over us!’
tree speaks in the bible, a christian(malvis) said it is hallucination

9“But the olive tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my fatness with which God and men are honored and go to wave over the trees?’ ,
through fatness of a tree, God and Men are honored = blasphemy, hallucination and manifestation of God glory by truthman212

10“Then the trees said to the fig tree, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 11“But the fig tree said to them, ‘Shall I leave my sweetness and my good fruit, and go to wave over the trees?’

12“Then the trees said to the vine, ‘You come, reign over us!’ 13“But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my new wine, which cheers God and men, and go to wave over the trees?’
when God is unhappy, he drinks wine of vine to cheer up = blasphemy,stupidity, idiocy, manifestation of God glory etc by truthman212

14“Finally all the trees said to the bramble, ‘You come, reign over us!’
trees have kings = hallucination and manifestation of God glory by truthman212

hope you now know your problem undecided undecided undecided undecided
Let me help you: your problem is IGNORANCE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER

NumberOne2:
Like I said, they are ENGLISH words.
Use a dictionary or google, first check the meaning of Spirit then check the meaning of Prophet. Then read the scripture again. It will be clearer to you.

PS: Muhammed is a Prophet not a Spirit. Dont get it twisted. Spirits dont marry.

BossTtdiamonds:
The outline below contains the answers to the very questions Muhammad did not want his followers to know. Namely that Islam is a sanitized version of ancient polytheistic moon worship which he invented to exercise military control.


Does the Qur’an define the word “Allah”? No.
Was the name “Allah” revealed for the first time in the Qur’an? No
Does the Qur’an assume that its readers have already heard of “Allah”? Yes
Should we look into pre-Islamic Arabian history to see who “Allah” was before Muhammad? Yes.
According to Muslim tradition, was Muhammad born into a Christian family and tribe? No
Was he born into a Jewish family or tribe? No
What religion was his family and tribe? Pagans
What was the name of his pagan father? Abdullah (Abd + Allah)
Did Muhammad participate in the pagan ceremonies of Mecca? Yes
Did the Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes
Did the Pagan Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes
Did the Arabs build temples to the Moon-god? Yes
Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes
What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.
Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used of the Moon-god? Yes
Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes
Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.
Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.
Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes
Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.
At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.
Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.
Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.
Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes
Did the pagans develop religious rites in connection with the worship of their gods? Yes.
Did the pagans practice the Pilgrimage, the Fast of Ramadan, running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc.? Yes.
Did Muhammad command his followers to participate in these pagan ceremonies while the pagans were still in control of Mecca? Yes (Yusuf Ali, fn. 214, pg. 78).
Did Islam go on to adopt these pagan religious rites? Yes. (Yusuf Ali: fn. 223 pg. 80).
Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.
Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.” Yes.
Was the crescent moon an ancient pagan symbol of the Moon-god throughout the ancient world? Yes.
Was it the religious symbol of the Moon-god in Arabia? Yes
Were stars also used as pagan symbols of the daughers of Allah? Yes
Did the Jews or the Christians of Arabia use the crescent moon with several stars next to it as symbols of their faith? No
Did Islam adopt the pagan crescent moon and stars as it religious symbol? Yes.
As Islam developed over the centuries, did it adopt pagan names, pagan ceremonies, pagan temples and pagan symbols? Yes
Is it possible that most Muslims do not know the pagan sources of the symbols and rites of their own religion? Yes.
Are they shocked to find out the true sources of their ceremonies and stories? Yes
Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? No
What then is Islam? A modern version of one of the ancient fertility cults.
Is the “Allah” of the Qur’an, the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No
Do the Jews say that the Muslim “Allah” is their God too? No
Then who’s god is Allah? Paganism.


Source: https://shariaunveiled./2015/05/21/muhammads-dirty-little-secret

dolphinheart:
First, you said I posted some things, and for that you called me a liar and hypocrite , and I asked you to show me and the whole world where I said such . You still have not showed me or the world several posts later. The tag of liar and hypocrite shall remain on you untill you show the world where I made such statement.

Now u re trying again to ascribe another analogical lie to me indirectly and i will not allow it.
Neither me, nor the bible ever told you that I or the bible believe that I believe some things just exist just for the sake of mere existence. I never made that statement and neither does the bible.
In fact, I used the word " reason" several times in my post. That there is a reason why God gave the mosaic law to the isrealites, a reason why it is included in the scriptures , a reason why christians do not follow the mosaic law.
I believe everything in the scriptures is inspired,it is written for a reason, but must I do everything there? The answer is no. must I follow the mosaic law on the issue of marriage and divorce, the answer is no and the reasons for not following it is also written in the bible. Sitting down, taking ur time to look at the reason , concept , and meaning of statements in the bible will help you a lot in understanding what the bible is really telling you.

I , as a Christian practice what the scriptures tells me to practise, not what you think I should practise.
You have a knack of trying to twist others peoples statements, adding topics that is not part of the discussion, postulating beliefs that you cannot defend and more importantly, refusing to answer serious but simple questions posted to you. You do all this in a desperate bid to hide the truth on the threads topic and to have the ability to shift ground in case ur have been found wanting in ur post.

U are still trying to deviate again by posting another bible verse you dnt understand .
U quoted a bible verses but you do not understand it, u only see the words but you do not grasp the meaning, you deliberately refused to explain these key words "I came to fufill it " and "untill everything is accomplished". If you want to know what jesus was really saying there, please create another thread for us to discuss it as I wunt deviate with you.

Now let's analyse ur statement again and you at it from ur side.
U said jesus (a prophet you believe in ) made a statement about the mosaic law and said not a word will pass away from it, has a word or letter not been removed from the mosaic law when you reviewed it to make the Islamic law? Has the Islamic law not removed some words from the mosaic law in creating something similar ? If your answer is yes, then you are saying jesus is a liar, if ur answer is no, then you have to proof that every letter in the mosaic law is found in the Islamic law.

Now back to the issue of believe and ur statement of deductive reasoning. I'm now starting to believe that ur reasoning is flawed because you can't seperate "believe" from "belief" and the reality of both when It comes to the scriptures. If I where you, ill take a closer at those two words.

First example:
I believe nigeria has a constitution before the 1999 constitution , that previous constitution is binding on u as long as you claim to be a nigerian or u reside in its territory. You believe this constitution exist and you know its true, you even followed it. but is this constitution still binding on you now? No. Cus a new constitution has been established. You dnt follow the old constitution despite ur believe in it
2nd example
I believe the mosaic law existed, I believe, it was written down and followed. My belief states that I dnt have to follow the believe in the existence of the mosaic law and it give me enough reasons not to follow it. My belief states what I should do concerning all the inspired words in the bible. If you want to know what my belief is, what it says, its reasons for doing or saying what is written down, pls create a thread and I will gladly tell you.
Jesus did not tell me to practice the mosaic law, it is you that think that jesus told me to practise it. More interesting is the fact that it is you that does not follow ur own thinking of what jesus said as you dnt follow the mosaic law letter for letter , but follow what you think is similar to it.

Concerning levitucus chapter 14, let's see who is the slowpoke here.

did I ask you if the verses you quoted are ur own fabrication? Definitely NO! , so I wonder where you got that idea from.
I said that you believe that the bible as we have it now is corrupted , that some verses are fabricated and added to it by men (if I'm wrong let me know o). Hence I posted the question to you that since it was you! you! you! you! That quoted that chapter, you! You! You!, not me, not others, should be able to tell us the authority behind that chapter, is it of divine origin as in , is it part of the original book God gave to moses or is it a later fabrication by man . This is a very simple question that I think you, who posted the verses in the first place can answer.

I did not say its fabricated, neither I'm I suggesting it . It is you that say some part of the bible is fabricated and false, and I'm asking you is that are those verses you quoted among the fabricated verses or its among the book allah gave to moses.
If you can't explain your view or belief as to the divinity of those verses you quoted, a simple "I don't know" will do. All these ur parabolations reminds people reading ur post of "oga at the top" u dnt even understand the question and you are calling someone a slowpoke.

U say I'm lying, pls tell or show the world where I said "moses was not giving a book " . Ur refusal to provide where I made such statement while only make everyone confirm who you really are.

My questions to you goes deeper than talk about finding fault, I asked you is ur method the best way of answering people who think that ur scriptures are faulty?
Do you think finding fault in theirs absolve the fault in urs? Do you think both sides are faulty?

You say I act like a wounded lion, but you are the one shifting about, not answering simple questions , not going straight, accusing someone of not doing things the he himself refused to do.
U cut part of my post away cus you can't answer the questions there, or you feel answering the questions will put you on a wrong footing. Simple simple questions on ur view u cannot answer, yet u say you are truthfull.

dolphinheart:
I defined what believe is to you as : to accept something as true .

I accept the mosaic law as true , do you?.
I accept it as real, do you.?
I accept it as from God, do you?

Ifeann:
In the past I used to take time to explain the old testament(which u quoted from) to muslms for them to better understand the historic, inner and symbolic context as to why the actions of people like Moses was justified. These days I don't. I am a Christian and not a 3000 year old Jew. If u have problems with the wars and fightings in the OT and torah take it up with jews.


In ur search for moral equivalence u still condemn mohammed as a false prophet who fought and murdered on a level worse than the OT wars.

Since u are looking for moral equivalence in the OT show me where a prophet behaved like mohammed and had sex with slaves, raped war captives, slept with a 9year old, murdered critics, etc. Remember the OT stories are thousands of years older than the brutal sadistic mohammed

Then head over to the NT and see what Jesus stood for and his message and how mohammed is an antithesis of Christ.

Mohammed was an evil unto this world.

dolphinheart:
You accused me of being a liar, that I made a particular statement, I told you to provide proof that I made such statement or else the tag of liar will be on you. Up till now you have not provided the proof .

You accused me of being a hypocrite for not believing in the mosaic law, I asked you to provide proof where I said I dnt believe the mosaic law, up till now, no proof on where I said that.

You have so far been trying different tactics to change the subject under discussion, you've diverted from Islams medical discussion to the leprosy in the bible, you where proved wrong , you now diverted it to the mosaic law and that we dnt follow it, people are seeing ur antics o!.

You think that if you believe in something, then you must follow it , and you relate that to the bible and mosaic law.

Believe :is to accept something as true. But it does mean you should follow it. I believe that the devil exist , but do I follow him? I believe that the Americans do have a law , but I'm I obligated to follow it? .if the nigerian constitution is being changed , do I say ill not follow the new one cus I believe the old one. Let me explain further, A country enacts a law, I believe that that country did enact that law , I believe that the law was enacted for that country by someone, and I believe that that someone exist . In a book I believe in,inspired by that same someone, those laws where included, the book did not state that I should follow that law, did state why I dnt have to follow it ,did state why those laws where written in the book, but did state another way for me to follow to achieve my aim of evalasting life.
So the mosaic law being in the bible is not a directive that I should follow that law, for that law was based on a covenant which I'm not under as I'm under a new convenant .the reason the mosaic was written is even stated in the bible, but you can't see it cus the only reason you read the bible is not because you believe in it, but because you are looking for fault in it.

The bible contains human history, experiences, laws, prophecies, advice, reprimands, orders, counsels and a lot of others things. These things where included in the bible to serve as a guide to our hope, our ways of life, what is good to do and what is not good to do and with its resultant consequences.
The bible was written as Gods word to mankind, to show us the way back to him, the process for the extablishment of such way is stated in the bible, and the mosaic law was part of that process, but as christians, the directive has changed,even though the main process remains the same . There is a lot to say on these, if you want to really learn about the bible and the mosaic law, pls create a thread and invite me.

A Christian is one who follows jesus, he is no longer a Christian if he does not follow jesus, believing in jesus does not make you a Christian. so if anyone tells you he does not follow jesus,he is not a Christian. Christians are not obligated to follow the mosaic law, and he is not wrong to say so cus the bible says so. the mosaic law is in the bible for many other reasons than following it. So you can see how flawed and illogical or analogy is.

Ur inability to understand the Christian way has caused you to believe that christians follow some part of the law and do not follow others.
Jesus said, love God and love ur neigbour. So if I dnt commit murder, I'm loving God and my neigbour, if I dnt commit adultery , I'm loving my God and my neigbour as I am not infringing upon the the rights of my neigbour. So the issue of selecting any part of the mosaic law is false. Do you get it now or do you need further explanation .


I just smiled when I read ur reply on your view of the mosaic law. You have so far refused to give direct answers to simple, direct questions. Ur first reason for not following the mosaic law was because its in the bible and you quickly shifted back to accusing christians. Does this answer my question, definitely NO!.

You dnt follow the mosaic law but follow the Islamic law and you you still accuse others of not following the mosaic law.

You believe the mosaic law is from allah , yet you accuse the law of frailty in medicine.

You say you believe in the law(based on the scriptures u quoted), but then you made adjustment and added variations to the mosaic law to create ur law. These means that according to ur view, the mosaic law was flawed, so it needed adjustments . U added variations so as to fit ur ideaology . You removed (abrogated) part of the mosaic law that does not go with ur religion. And yet you claim that you follow the mosaic law as giving by moses? My friend, dnt you realise others are reading ur post ? Why do you potray urself in this way.

More than half of the directive of the mosaic law is either not deliberately mentioned or changed in the ISlamic law, yet you say it is similar?, you selected some to follow and some not to follow, and you accuse others of doing the same thing, Tell me that's is not hypocrisy!.

On the issue of leviticus, I asked you if those verses you qouted are part of Gods word to moses or where fabricated by man. By ur answer, everybody can now see the kind of person you are. You refused to answer by not telling us what you believe. You stated what so called theologians say, you repeated the question back at me, but you did not state if you , you ,you! Believe the words in leviticus are man made fabrications or part of Allahs words to moses. If you trully are for the truth, tell us ur personal believe on the author of those words found at leviticus chapter 14.

In fact, all the scriptures you have quoted in ur last post, tell us who you think the author is.

malvisguy212:
mattew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to stumble,
gouge it out and throw it away. It is
better for you to lose one part of your
body than for your whole body to be
thrown into hell.
My mother, with somewhat of a twinkle
in her eye, used to say, “Son, if you do
that again, I’m gonna skin you alive.” I
knew she was speaking figuratively;
nonetheless, I got the point!
In the context of Matthew5:29 Christ was
emphasizing the supreme value of
pursuing the kingdom of God above all
else. To illustrate this principle, he chose,
for illustration purposes, items that are
very precious to us (e.g., eye, hand, or
foot).
The obvious meaning is this. Recognize
the value of eternal things; don’t be
derailed by temporal and physical
distractions.

klodike:
Christianity is not and would never compete with other religions. Only a baby christian would read this your long epistle about...... Anyway please allow people to worship whatever they like. Religion is a choice thing, stop dragging christianity into your........

johnydon22:
A world without Islam in this 21st century.... That would be a wonderful world..


At least the world would have a short supply of people that think like cows.. (Muslim extremists not all muslims)


But seriously a world without Islam would be twice more peaceful than it is now...

EzioAuditore:
http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Islam-Graham-Fuller/dp/0316041203

What would the world be like without Islam? In A World Without Islam, former CIA official and historian Graham Fuller says it wouldn't be much different from the world today.

According to Fuller, the West's fraught relationship with the Middle East isn't really about religion — and actually predates the spread of Islam.

Fuller tells NPR's Neal Conan that he found "deep-rooted conflicts that still exist over ethnicity or economics or warfare or armies or geopolitics [that] ... really don't have anything to do with Islam, and indeed, existed long before Islam came into existence."

One of those conflicts can be traced all the way back to antiquity.

"The ancient Greeks fought wars with the ancient Persians for several hundred years, from about 500 to 300 B.C., struggling over the same turf," Fuller says. "The people who came to occupy them later, the Byzantine Christians, fought the same wars, and then the Turkish Muslims came and they fought the same wars."

Cover of 'A World Without Islam'
A WORLD WITHOUT ISLAM
BY GRAHAM E. FULLER
HARDBACK, 336 PAGES
LITTLE, BROWN AND CO.
LIST PRICE: $25.99

In his book, Fuller says, "I try to run through a whole lot of events and take Islam out of the equation, and see what we're left with."

And what was left was the idea that the continuity of geopolitics and grievances across the Middle East doesn't need Islam to explain it. Rather, he sees Islam — and religion in general — as a banner in that Islam provided the organizing principle for the Muslim empire that took over much of the world.

"I'm not arguing that Islam has not had great impact on the Middle East region and its cultures and civilization," he says. "But I'm arguing that the nature of conflict between the West and the East does not depend on that, and precedes Islam."

Consider, for example, the struggle over oil and energy in the Middle East.

"If the area were Christian, would the region be any more accepting of big Western oil companies trying to come in and dominate those things?" he asks. "I don't think so."

Fuller says that while he finds imagining the world this way an important and informative exercise, he is in no way advocating for a world without Islam.

"I'm really focusing on the nature of struggle between the East and the West," he says, "and whether Islam plays a significant role in that."

Introduction

If nothing else, I hope this examination will cause readers to rethink the nature of East-West conflict and how Americans, in particular, regard their own foreign policies. Such a process of self-examination comes hard to superpowers; they suffer from their own particular kind of isolation and myopia: possession of great power suggests a security and certitude, an ability to ignore situations that smaller states find threatening or dangerous and that they cannot afford to get wrong. International politics is not unlike the jungle: smaller and weaker animals require acute intelligence, sensitive antennae, and nimbleness of footing to assure their own self-preservation; the strong — such as elephants — need pay less attention to ambient conditions and can often do as they wish, and others will get out of the way.

Power also brings a certain arrogance: the belief that we can control the situation, we are in charge, we can persuade or intimidate with ease — or so we think. Indeed, one senior official in the Bush administration, when asked about looming realities of the wars in the Middle East, stated without a pause, "We create our own realities." The course of events of the past decade reveals how sadly true that has been.

The problem lies in the optic we employ. Washington — perhaps as many global powers have done in the past — uses what I might call the "immaculate conception" theory of crises abroad. That is, we believe we are essentially out there, just minding our own business, trying to help make the world right, only to be endlessly faced with a series of spontaneous, nasty challenges from abroad to which we must react. There is not the slightest consideration that perhaps US policies themselves may have at least contributed to a series of unfolding events. This presents a huge paradox: how can America on the one hand pride itself on being the world’s sole global superpower, with over seven hundred military bases abroad and the Pentagon’s huge global footprint, and yet, on the other hand, be oblivious to and unacknowledging of the magnitude of its own role — for better or for worse — as the dominant force charting the course of world events? This Alice-in-Wonderland delusion affects not just policy makers, but even the glut of think tanks that abound in Washington. In what may otherwise often be intelligent analysis of a foreign situation, the focus of each study is invariably the other country, the other culture, the negative intentions of other players; the impact of US actions and perceptions are quite absent from the equation. It is hard to point to serious analysis from mainstream publications or think tanks that address the role of the United States itself in helping create current problems or crises, through policies of omission or commission. We’re not even talking about blame here; we’re addressing the logical and self-evident fact that the actions of the world’s sole global superpower have huge consequences in the unfolding of international politics. They require examination.

There is a further irony here: How can a nation like the US, which expresses such powerful outpourings of patriotism and ubiquitous unfurling of the flag on all occasions, seem quite obtuse to the existence of nationalism and patriotism in other countries? Washington never fared very well in the Cold War in understanding the motives and emotions of the nonaligned world; it dismissed or even suppressed inconvenient local nationalist aspirations, thereby ending up pushing a large grouping of countries toward greater sympathy with the Soviet Union. This was a kind of strategic blindness that viewed other nations’ interests and preferences as something that needed to be hemmed in, or isolated. We have been obtuse toward nationalism and identity issues in the Middle East and have lumped it all into the basket of "Islam."

When we do not like a foreign adversary, we tend to denigrate them in strong, sometimes nearly apocalyptic terms. One less desirable aspect of democracy is that it seems to require serious demonization of the enemy if the nation and public opinion are to be galvanized sufficiently to pay a serious price in blood or treasure at war. And the message as to why we are in confrontation or at war must be simplified enough to fit on a bumper sticker.

In today’s world, "Islam" has become that bumper sticker for America, the default cause of many of our problems in the Muslim world. In the past we have gone in to do battle with anarchists, Nazis, Fascists, communists — today it is "radical Islam." I put this term in quotation marks not because it does not exist, but because it is a broad and complex phenomenon that comes in various shapes and sizes and requires a wide array of differing responses. The term does not begin to present an accurate or useful description of the kinds of problems we face in dealing with the Muslim world. In even more simpleminded analyses, we sometimes hear that the problem is not "radical Islam" but really perhaps even Islam itself. Why do "they" hate us, why are they violent, why do they "hate democracy," why do they not accept America’s nostrums and values, why do they engage in guerrilla war or terrorism, why do they resist American policies, why will they not accept America’s best-laid plans for their futures — Islam seems to supply a ready answer.

Actually, in many senses there is no "Muslim world" at all, but rather many Muslim worlds, or many Muslim countries and different kinds of Muslims. Nonetheless it is important to acknowledge that under assault and siege from the West in both real and imagined ways, the Muslim world has come together to an unusual degree over past decades. Indeed, US policies over this time have probably done more to forge a common-minded umma — the collective international community of Muslims — than any other factor since the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

History did not begin with 9/11. Our dealings with the Middle East go back a long way. The attack on 9/11 was a violent, extremist, and outrageous act, but it was also almost a culmination of a preceding chain of events over many years. If we choose to see history beginning at 9/11 — whereby we suddenly become the sole justifiably aggrieved party, now authorized to bring vigilante justice to the world — then we will continue to do what we have been doing all along, with disastrous consequences evident to all.

johnydon22:
so in what form is the muslim god in?

Is it a masculine nature or feminine?

does it have a hand or leg?

face or eyes or mouth?

truthman2012:
Using diversionary method. What do the above quotes have to do with Muhammad's medical jargons?

truthman2012:
So your sins are removed when you carelessly catch fever. No wonder you are a muslim. How does sickness remove sin?

Your question has nothing to do with desease. Off topic.

truthman2012:
Stop it!

No fever is caused by heat of hell.

truthman2012:
According to the 'prophet' fever removes sins. What a fumbling.

So, when you are sick of fever, your sins are removed? One wonders if Muhammad was under some kind of abnormal influence.

truthman2012:
Nonsense!

Those who support fever is caused by heat of hell should have their certificate withdrawn.

Do we feel the heat of hell in the world?

Is sun the heat of hell? Heck!

There are different types of fever, each with different physical cause explanable in science.

truthman2012:
The Prophet said, "Fever is from
the heat of Hell, so abate fever
with water."
Sahih Bukhari 7:71:621 , See Also
Sahih Bukhari 7:71:619 , Sahih
Bukhari 7:71:620 , Sahih Bukhari 7:71:622

Is Fever medically from the heat of hell?

If Muhammad's statements were inspired by allah, no doubt he (allah) must be a quack doctor.

Iceking1:
If you read your bible, you will see a chapter, i think its Genesis, where is is clearly stated that God created man in his own image and likeness, so my question here is does God has a p.enis