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DOptical:
You were the one who brought up the Igbo in the first place to laud them above the Bini. The same Igbo who were found on the trees with pot of flesh!

Meanwhile, IFA which is Yoruba religion that is more than 10000 years old is against any human ritual as a matter of fact. Abobaku is more like a metaphor which means those who serve the King till death. Just like Ruth, Abokoku.

So Ifa is against any human ritual to begin with, except you pull above your boundaries hence self defence!

And yeah, Oduduwa is an Orisha and a king in Ile Ife. While the Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. These are facts!

Ifa is not against it, if it is against it, it has no negative effect in any one that indulges in it. It is no news that the Yorubas had and still have this penchant for ritual. Even till today if you walk anyhow in some parts of Yoruba land you will go missing. That is a primitive and barbaric practice, the abobaku is there too. That is also primitive, archaic and barbaric. You think i am a neophyte, those abobaku’s are buried with the king

I am not trying to use it to point at the flaws of the Yorubas, i am only telling you that the Yorubas are also primitive in a way. They are not spared when it comes to barbarism. There are something’s commendable in every tribe and there is also that one thing that is condemnable.

The igbos practiced direct democracy. And that is a bigger hallmark of civilization anywhere in the world. The type similar with what was obtainable in the Ancient Greek city state. That is the reason colonial rule failed woefully in the east because every man’s opinion counted. This is a known fact in the academic world

Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not happen. Those are figments of your imagination. These are theories meant to give you guys pseudo unity and also give you guys false sense of superiority over other tribes. The story is so poorly crafted that even a five year old would notice its flaws overwhelmingly.

The same Yorubas that brags about cutting the head of their kings and take it to Ile Ife the Yorubas are not worthy of civilization themselves and cannot give what they don’t have

DOptical:
Igbo who had OSU had democracy? Lol. Maybe according to a stupid brain like yourself 😂 The Igbos were found on trees with human flesh.

Only the Onitsha folks who came from Bini btw had little civilization. Of course according to a dumb brain like yours, the Igbos were more civilized than the Bini 😂

And yeah, Oba and Omo are Yoruba words, even as Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed with facts! These are facts I simply stated. Na you wan hear history na because if you didn't, you wouldn't be saying gibberish unwarranted about the Yoruba when the thread was about fake drinks in the first place.

yes this rebringing of the Igbo into this discuss is to deviate from the cut and join history that you guys have. But i will indulge you


The direct democracy is a bigger hallmark of civilization than monarchy anywhere,everyone had a say in how the Igbo land was run. They were egalitarian in nature The supposedly civilized Yorubas had abobaku too, maybe they still have it i don’t know. There was ritual paramount in Yorubaland precolonially, even till today m, yorubaland is still the home of rituals. I believe that is civilization to you.


The Yorubas that couldn’t civilized themselves against rituals, abobaku practice and other uncivilized practices unknown is the tribe that want to extend civilization to other people. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa are mythical and ideas, they did not exist. The Yorubas are barbaric apes themselves and couldn’t have civilized other people


There is no doubt Omo and oba are Yoruba words. They are also Edo words with meanings independent of that of the yoruba. Oba in anambra state is also a Yoruba word?

DOptical:
First, there was nothing like democracy in Igbo. They were clannish who were scared of eachother thus ended up eating eachother while living on the trees. That was how the British found the Igbo. On the trees with human flesh. Even Ajayi Crowther was part of those who civilized the Igbo. Of course the Igbo could be better than the the Bini since according to your brain, the Igbos were highly civilized thane the Bini.

Meanwhile, the word Omo and Oba are certified Yoruba words! Bini had Evi and ogiso. Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was also the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are backed up with facts!

they practiced direct democracy, go and read your book, just like the one practiced in ancient Greece. Even if you dropped out at 100 level, you would know this

That is the hallmark of civilization. Not yes sir, yes sir type of leadership.


Every tribe had their high point and low point. The Yoruba kings could demand ritual and it would be gotten for him, that is barbaric too . The Yorubas had abobaku, that is barbaric too


Omo and Oba are Yoruba words. I have no argument with you m. They are also Edo word’s independent of Yoruba. Just the way oba in anambra state is also an Igbo word. Or is that a Yoruba word too ?


Yorubas are uncivilized apes themselves, they couldn’t have civilized other people. There is no fact there, Oranmiyan and Oduduwa did not exist. It is a tales of woe meant to give you guys false unity and exert false sense of superiority over other persons

DOptical:
Another useless rants without fact to back it up.

Omo and Oba are Yoruba words! Which are Certified! They were brought to Bini by Oranmiyan who civilized Bini. Backed up with facts! Something your brain can't provide to backup your stupid claim.

On you bringing up the Igbo, it wasn't part of the discourse to begin with. It was unrelated yet you brought it up unwarranted. Lol. Same Igbo who were found on top of the trees and pots of human flesh at the time the British came to Nigeria? While you forgot you were disguising as Bini for a moment, you were even lauding Igbo above the Bini. In the process of displaying your stupidity in a bid to say gibberish without facts about the Yoruba unwarranted because iirc, the thread was about fake drugs to begin with, you ended up trashing the Bini while disguising as the Bini. Lol.

Anyways, I have told you already to stop disturbing my mention with stupidity.

that is a lie oranmiyan is an idea, oranmiyan did not exist. Omo is not a Yoruba word, it is a word spread evenly across the two tribes. The Edo Oba is different from Yoruba in meaning and in etymology. The idea behind Oranmiyan and Oduduwa is a sham arrangement meant to put up a false unity among Yoruba people. The Yoruba are uncivilized apes, they couldn’t have civilized other persons.

I brought it because you were hell bent on thinking civilization was well within the purview of the Yorubas alone. I had to let you know that it is in other tribes too because i know it is there. I go school, i know stuff beyond my immediate tribe. I don’t think there is a panel of judges who has said that i can’t bring it to counter your claim of false civilization if it will counter it. I am sorry it hurt your ego. Even the Nok people and culture is also there.


There is nothing like lauding Igbo above Bini, the same igbos that had democracy. Where every man would have a say in the government of how his community is run. They were the most civilized in precolonial Nigeria . Monarchy is largely slavery of the people.


Thrashing the Bini how, don’t be a fool, i called out an Igbo boy here for insulting Bini because a slowpoke Yoruba was disguising as one. That is how i came into this thread in the first place

DOptical:
Evie is the word for child, not Omo which is a Yoruba word. Something you need to sink into your brain if you've got any to begin with! Just like ogiso was for their king until Yoruba Oba, Oranmiyan! All these are backed with facts which I provided unlike your stupid brain who couldn't provide any.

Meanwhile, Going roundabout after I unmasked your stupidity isn't helping you! 😂

You implied that the likes of Esan etc used the word Omo and my reply was Esan, Etsako etc migrated from Bini na. After which, you started crying about how you didn't mention Etsako blah blah and wasn't even talking about migration blah blah blah. That aside you always trying to segregate the urhobo from the Edo when you're supposedly Bini. Then coming up with unrelated Ibo line when it wasn't part of the discourse while you were even lauding the Ibo above the Edo when you're supposedly Bini. Lol. Or you forgot you were disguising as Bini in your stupidity?

I already asked your coward self to stop disturbing me with your stupidity. The moment you lack all the facts to back your stupidity should get you off my mention! I don't deal with stupidity!

ovbi is only within Bini and Esan,maybe Etsako and a few other groups Omo is spread from lamkpese on the northern Edo borders to Engenni in rivers. And these are all Edoid groups. So Omo has more spread. Ovbi is not really a child. The innate etymology for ovbi is offshoot or descendants. It is not really directly fixed to a child. So Omo is not a Yoruba word. It is an Edo word even as it is Yoruba. When you combine all the Edoid together it is not small. Yorubas advantage in size to it will reduce drastically, there is no rule anywhere that states it is not the Edos that gave it to you guys if it was given.

Oranmiyan did not exist, it is an idea, i have said it over and again. Nobody ask for a king from someone they don’t know, it did not exist. That’s cock and bull story. Your attempt at fleeing away using that method did not work, you had to come back knowing that it is cowardly.


Screenshot the post where i was crying. When i was taught history, i was not taught Benin history alone,i was taught that of Igbo and Yoruba too i don’t think it is prohibited to not use Igbo in an argument with the Yorubas. That must have hurt your ego when it was made known to you that other tribes had their civilization too. Because the world to you start at oshogbo and end at ijebu


This is what i wrote don’t be a fool, i was talking about the spread of this word.

what i was trying to tell your low self esteem brain was that the spread of omo among Edoid groups is overwhelming and and it is rather innate and an Edo word even as it is Yoruba rather than it being a borrowed word from Yoruba to Benin and spread to all of them

DOptical:
The lying coward. I asked you to get off my mention. You thought you bringing up that line was the first time I unmasked you? Lol. I already unmasked you the moment you were angry when I said Esan, etsako were from Edo. Or you trying to segregate the Urhobo from the Edo when you're a supposedly Edo? 😂 Or you forgot you were disguising as an Edo? 😂 A coward idiot. Stop disturbing me with your trash!

how did you see my face to know that i got angry, why will i even get angry in the first place, it is common news they migrated from Benin what about engenni in river state, what i was trying to tell your low self esteem brain was that the spread of omo among Edoid groups is overwhelming and and it is rather innate and an Edo word even as it is Yoruba rather than it being a borrowed word from Yoruba to Benin and spread to all of them. Don’t mask your ignorance. I am just trying to tell you about the spread of the word Omo . There is no disguising anywhere. You lots are low self esteem nitwits that publish very childish far from reality relatable history to exert a false sense of superiority over others

I turned two on Nairaland October last year, so i disguised for two years just to have this conversation with you you have lost steam. Go away my brother

DOptical:
You mean the cowardly moniker used for disguising as Edo while spewing trash without basis/facts? Get off my mention!

dont cowardly mask the aim. Go through my post my nigga and be faced with the shocking reality that i am Edo flesh and blood. You guys are uncivilized and cowardly. You publish shithole unrelatable history to exert false sense of superiority over other people

DOptical:
I won't bother with your trash which you've not had facts to back it up, added with your coward self disguising. Stop disturbing my mention with gibberish until you can come out boldly!

come out boldly how,? Don’t mask the aim. Go through my post. It is 90% Edo. Maybe ten percent from any other place. Don’t use disguise to run with your ignorance. I long opened Nairaland long before this topic came up

I use the Igbos to give analysis to shape my analogy that this civilization thing is in every tribe and it is relative

DOptical:
Now, I see where the unwarranted bile is coming from! Lol. Stop disguising like a coward and come out openly! 😂

Anyways, the British found Yoruba with the highest form of civilization!

there is nothing like that. Every tribe had and still has their own poetry, metaphor whatever nonsense there is Igbo ukwu in Igbo too, there is the awka iron metallurgy

DOptical:
It was Bini who sent for Ife prince to organize them to begin with. They even stole his child and wouldn't let him return home. Hence why Bini Oba heads were buried in Ife because "Ori Ade ko gbodo sun tan"

they wouldn’t have sent for him if they don’t know him. It only happened in the figments of your imagination. The same Orun oba ado they went to dig and found nothing. Yorubas that cannot organize themselves want to organize other people

DOptical:
Still crying your stupidity over proven facts? 😂

Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo civilized Bini. Bini is nothing without Oranmiyan as a matter of fact!

The Yoruba has the highest form of civilization at the time the British came as a matter of fact. The Oranmiyan staff in Ife, the Pavement road in Ife, Eredo, Yoruba drums, Yoruba's poetry and metaphor, Yoruba fabrics etc..

All Yorubas are from Ife with the language!

oranmiyan did not happen, your leaders successfully turned Oduduwa from a goddess into a man.

Oranmiyan did not happen. You cannot invite someone you don’t know to come and govern you, it does not happen. Every culture had their form of civilization, shove your Yoruboid nonsense in your ass. Igbos had democracy before the white man ever stepped foot on Nigeria that is something to commend for. Every culture had this unique thing that was noteworthy.


All Yoruba did not come from Ife, go and tell it to your two year child . The Yorubas are not civilized in the first place let alone civilizing other people

DOptical:
In fact, let me add that the Bini are from Ife to their present place. Their change in language is due to interaction and interrelation with other tribes. Their etymology is still in Yoruba though. Anyways, the Bini sent for a Yoruba Prince to organize them, thus Oranmiyan of Ile Ife. Bini held on to his child and made him a king after Oranmiyan left.

I dare and challenge you to state any material that support your argument that Bini migrated from Ile Ife.


Nobody sends for people they don’t know to civilize them, a civilization you barbarians do not have in the first place


Benin and the Yoruba language is far apart, it is not even close in the first place

DOptical:
You're still crying over verified facts? Lol.

Bini pleaded and invited the Yoruba to come and rule and organise them because they're Yoruba's kins! After several years of pleading, Oranmiyan was finally sent to Bini. Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. After Oranmiyan left, the Bini held on to Oranmiyan's child, wouldn't release him and made him the King.

look at your poor tales of Miletus, do you know how many communities from Benin before you get to Ife. So Bini people are incomplete humans who could not rule themselves and they left several Yoruba groups with the idea that it is Ife. Why did Igbo not borrow king from Ife. Why did Urhobo not borrow king from Ife, or they don’t like kingship. Please bro please, nobody sends for people they don’t have relationship with to rule them

Yorubas are not civilized in the first place they couldn’t have civilized other people

DOptical:
Dundee still spewing gibberish as usual without having facts to back up his stupidity. Lol. We're dealing in fact which I have provided in abundance, not your stupidity. Lol.

And yeah, all Yoruba are from Ile Ife including ijebu like I already stated. Awujale himself has a Yoruba name and Oyo ancestry. There's even Ijebu-Ife in Ijebu. Ijebu name itself is a Yoruba word which is "deep into the sea".

As for Oduduwa, he's an Orisha and an Ife king. Oduduwa predates the whole existence of Bini as a matter of fact. His great grandson, Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. All these are verified facts!

you are the one that should look for facts to back up your poorly crafted story. Oranmiyan and Oduduwa never happened, they are figments of mere imagination.

Ozuo all Yorubas are not from Ife, the Ijebu king was consistent on that some years ago. Some are returnee slaves, Some were Fulanis, Some were Baribas, tapas , Hausas, Edos . They are all in that new marriage called Yoruba.


Ife is a village, one of the villages that elvolved alongside the others, nobody came from it, it is one of those Yoruba towns that evolved at the same time with many others. This new everybody came from Ife is for convenience and unity. Yorubas are uncivilized themselves, they can’t give what they don’t have

Raskimonojendor:
Me I don't care whether Oduduwa fell from the sky or whether Ogiso is the owner of Benin. Me I just posted what I heard the oba of Benin saying on video.

that is what i am saying, the Oba is not an historian, he being captured on video saying does not lend credence to the fact that it existed. The foundation behind the Oduduwa and oranmiyan narrative is so poor, you can’t invite someone you don’t know to be King over you. It does not add up, it is a myth

Raskimonojendor:
LMAO..

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that is what i am saying, Jesus at several times talked about a father, how he and his father are one but his father never existed. Same with Oranmiyan, Oranmiyan is a story pulled up for the sake of unity. It is an idea, a myth, it never existed

Raskimonojendor:
But your Oba himself on video called himself a descendant of Oranmiyan at his coronation, except the oba is stupid and mis-yarning Sha which is possible

Just the same way Jesus called God his father , God did not exist as a physical being

aljharem:
Are you brain dead or just stupid.

Why are you arguing stupidly.

You and your foolish friends are taking from here say

The other guys are giving you evidence and you keep arguing without any.

Truly a lot of bini people have truly mixed with stupid people

Even me from Bini ancestry can clearly see the stupidity of some of your stories

the stupid people are Yorubas with cut and join history that is not relatable at the very least .You are not Bini by ancestry,you are an imposter. Aside one useless iron and some useless write upthat he is showing me where it was written on, what other useless evidence, has he dropped. We as Binis in the past has dropped peer reviewed articles by A list European historians and scholars backed by eye witness accounts buttressing Binis ownership of Lagos? . Did the so self called civilized tribe accept it?Anyone know your antecedents here. You are a weak man with a weak argument and a weak past

DOptical:
Oduduwa isn't a myth. Oduduwa is an Orisha and also a being who was a king in Ile Ife! His great grandson was Oranmiyan. All Yorubas are from Ile Ife, including Ijebu who are from Ile Ife. Even the Awujale who came up with the wadda story has Oyo Ancestry. He had scuttle with the Alaafin of Oyo thus his tongue in cheek outburst. Ijebu name itself means "deep into the sea" in Yoruba language.

Back to Bini, Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. That's a fact!

i stand on what i am saying, ofuduwa Is a myth and it is not even news. All Yorubas are not from Ife, Ile Ife is an inconsequential place given exploits that are bigger than her. Oduduwa might be an orisha whatever but he did not live . Awujale himself stated that he is not from Ife and he is not buying into the new marriage.


I say oranmiyan is a myth, there is no argument about that fact. Yorubas themselves are not civilized and cannot give what they don’t have

Christistruth00:
JOHN 14:9
KJ21
Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

because the father did not exist as an earthly being. Yet there was a father whose ways and manners Jesus was akin to

Eastlink:
I admire intellectual challenge. But there is a problem my friend: you bought a wrong one.
For the Bini community in Agbor, I can testify of their presence. They are migrants to Agbor and not aborigines. They are called Ozanogogo by name. They themselves know there are not aboriginal but migrant based on their history. They are now a bilingual people who speak a native dialect of Benin called Oza and also understand Ika. Therefore, their position in Agbor cannot change overnight the Igbo heritage of the Ika people.

For names like Isibor and Irabor I stand fully that they are Igbo names. These names are bore mostly by Anioma people. But, before I bring my evidence to end this debate I throw a challenge to you. Kindly tell us their meaning in Benin

i understand your desire to put up a supremacist front for the Igbo. Oza nogogo is a group i know like the back of my hand. They are not in anyway bilingual. It is a group i know so well Only a few of them can really understand the Ika language. I know you are trying to be clever by half but i asked first interpret. I dare you that is what i said and i asked first .


It is not only Oza nogogo, there is also alilehan and then Alisor, go to Agbor they will tell you themselves, many of them don’t know the meaning of the names they bear. They are not borne mostly by anioma. Aside Ika which is heavily influenced by Bini, you will not find another group in anioma with these names, it is very clear where it came from

DOptical:
You're the one who needs to get a brain and cure your stupidity! We have no time for stupid brain. We deal with facts here!

Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini. These are facts!

Get a brain and see the idea behind how your leaders successfully turned Oduduwa a goddess into a human being just for the sake of unification of the Yoruba people. The Ijebu king was already saying his ancestors was from wadai. Ife is an inconsequential place that was given exploits bigger than her entire existence.


Oranmiyan did not exist, he is a myth. Yorubas are not civilized. They cannot give what they don’t have

DOptical:
Dundee, you see facts yet your dumb brain is still spewing gibberish. No one cares for your stupidity, we're dealing with fact here! And yeah, Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini.

oranmiyan did not live . Get a brain and leave pseudo history meant to unite you guys. Yorubas are not civilized people, they can’t give what they don’t have

DOptical:
Esan, Etsako etc migrated from Bini! Have you forgotten?

I repeat the word Oba and Omo are Yoruba! Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini!

oranmiyan did not even live let alone coming to Benin, stop repeating nonsense. Oranmiyan and oduduwa is a very poorly crafted attempt at unification of the Yoruba people.


Remember i did not only mention Esan, i also mentioned Urhobo and even as far as engenni in rivers state uses this Omo to refer to a child or a person. So hence Omo is not a Yoruba word, it is a word used by these various groups to mean a child or a person. As i earlier highlighted, Omo n’oba means the one that shines hence the Benin oba is different from that of Yoruba .


Yorubas are not civilized people, they can’t give what they don’t have. You don’t invite who you don’t know to come and rule you. It is not done. That is the dumbest history i have read in my life

Christistruth00:
Don’t Drag Jesus into your foolish Lies

it is there john 10:30 there is no lies there

Christistruth00:
Just say he lied

jesus lived said i and my father are one yet God is not an earthly being

Meanwhile father and ancestor are the same thing.

DOptical:
Lol. Why don't you use your ogiso?

Bini and its usual lies!

The word Omo and Oba are from Yoruba! And that's exactly what Bini uses!

Benin uses Omo everyday to mean child too or to refer to a person who one finds as worthy . Not only Benin, Urhobo, Esan and all use Omo to refer to a child or person. It is not a Yoruba word. It is a word for all these languages to refer to a child or person. A simple google search would reveal that to you .


Maybe the town oba in anambra state is also from Yoruba. Maybe you tell them to change their name to Asaba

DOptical:
Omo n' Oba. That's the name!

The Oba and Omo are Yoruba names!

The child was supposed to be brought to Ile Ife as soon as he was born after Oranmiyan had already left but Bini held on to him and made him king. Ori ade kin sun ta hence why Bini Oba heads were buried in Ile Ife!

Omo n’oba that’s the word, it means the one that shines . There is a stress with that last a It goes together, it is not a Yoruba word. It was shortened to Oba from there . It is not the same with the Yoruba oba. There is one video izoduwa addressed that


Oranmiyan did not come to Benin, it is a poorly crafted story.

DOptical:
See below for confirmation! The name Oba itself is a Yoruba name! Bini oba head was buried in Ile Ife because "Ori ade kin sun ta". The child was supposed to come to Ife in the first place after Oranmiyan left Bini but Bini held on to the small child and made him king since they didn't want Oranmiyan to leave. Hence the name "Omo oba"

It is not Omo oba. Omo oba is a Yoruba name. Omonoba is not. It is Edo It is Omonoba. The one that shines

It was claimed to be buried there. If you are an historian, you would know that scholars had gone there to do some excavation and they found nothing

Oranmiyan did not even come to Benin, the story was poorly crafted

Christistruth00:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPFuOlZSfM4?si=tUBJWM4iLsAfwYTw

that does not lend credence to it being true, Jesus calling God his father does not mean it is earthly

DOptical:
Mythical like the one below?

According to your dumbness of course! 😅

Even your Oba knows he's a Yoruba. As a matter of fact, Bini Oba's heads were previously buried in Ile Ife!

There is nothing like that, excavation has been done on those places, nothing was found. He is not. No heads were taken anywhere. The foundation of that very oranmiyan and Oduduwa narrative is so flawed that a two year old would be amazed. It is a mythical and a dumb narrative

DOptical:
Oranmiyan isn't a tale! You can see below for yourself except you're dumb which you've been displaying so far. All the Orishas of Yoruba exist and some were even kings! Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo civilized Bini!

you are the dumb one here, oranmiyan did not exist, oranmiyan is a mythical tale, told by Yorubas for the sake of unity and nothing else. The same Oduduwa that metamorphosed from a goddess to having come from the east to being from the sky spare me please . You don’t have civilization in your midst. You guys were and are still uncivilized apes