₦airaland Forum

piper7:
The tribal King is here again

This is good news. Eventually the young ones will kick out the old clueless leaders we have in government.

But wait how is he Yoruba and also from Edo state?

Do you think Nigeria should allow anyone to
contest for election in any state without considering the State Of Origin??

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RedboneSmith:
You are not from Rivers State, lol. No Rivers person will insinuate that the Ikwerre are the most populous in Rivers State. Every Rivers person knows Ogoni people are the most numerous in that state. Ikwerre just get landmass.

Brai777:
He did it for the exposure and not necessarily to win the AGT

Brai777:
He did it for the exposure and not necessarily to win the AGT

lawani:
Even Abokis with Dom accounts can not withdraw cash. I collect money from the US like every other week and the money appears in my zenith without me knowing the beneficiary dom account which may be in Edo state. It can be anywhere in the country. Before the data can be reliable,then we must be able to collect dollars over the counter like during Jonathan's time

lawani:
You can't receive dollars directly in Nigeria, how can they know when even if you have dom account it will be useless for collecting dollars?. They are just using location of Dom accounts and it does not reflect anything more than location of those cutting corners with government assistance or connivance

scholes0:
Patapata is Yoruba.
Jagajaga as well. Although we may not have a 100% claim on this one as it is just an onomatopoeia and not an actual word, so, it might be shared among various groups.

Na in pidgin is from English Now. That's why even in pidgin you will still hear people pronounce it as "Nau", and others as "Naa"
Give me nau/Give me naa. Same thing.

Efewestern:
We are saying that same thing. Let me highlight my points for you incase there is a mix-up somewhere.

* Bini influences covers today Eastern Yoruba territory and Igbo-speaking part of Delta state.

* The Edoid groups in Delta built autonomous communities and have lived that way for centuries even before the Bini empire came to life.

* Kingship within the Edoid groups in Delta was too recent and so they sought out the blessing and validity of a superior Kingdom and king, reason chiefs/kings go to the Oba to seek approval when coronated. Traditional Urhobo clan operate a vary system where seniority in chief ranking determines who lead. This wasn't the way the Edoid groups in Benin lived.

Igboid:
Idu as an ancestor is a Bini modern day fabrication as usual.
Usen is bilingual because they are remnants of aboriginal Yorubas in Udo that were not assimilated fully into the Bini Amalgam.
It happens.
Nope, they didn't offend Oba. They rejected the new Yoruba order from Ife in Bini and had to leave.
Esan is older than Bini which is both a recent Amalgam formed by Esan, Igbo, Oza, Yoruba ( the rulers) and Nupe refugees.
Your claims are ridiculous. Ofcourse some Esan groups were able to resist the Amalgam and free their homelands on which modern Bini Amalgam stand on.

Bini has no land to start with because Bini is a recent Amalgam.
This is why Anioma communities speak of origin from parts of where you call Bini today.
They are not speaking of origin from modern Bini,they are speaking of origin from ancient Igbo communities in the land called Bini today many of which was involved in the Bini Amalgam formation.
The oral history is not totally wrong, it's just that it's misinterpreted.
It's same way Igbos in Enugu North speak of origin from Igala, the oral history is not wrong because there were ancient Igbo communities existing in where Idah and other Igala communities stand today, many were forced to retreat southwards towards Nsukka, leaving their lands and relatives who accepted the new Junkun order that formed the Igala Amalgam behind.

Igala and Bini elders know this history.
But lies and need for pride and expansionism has beclouded your reasoning and will never allow modern Igala and Bini people come out with the truth.
It's the Amalgam (multi Ethnic) that gives rice of many ethnicities having histories of origin Bini or Igala, when they don't speak those languages.
It's because they are actually speaking of origin from their ethnic component that was involved in Bini and Igala formation.
It makes sense.
It's like an Irish person saying his parents are from USA, he is not speaking about blacks or other ethnicities of USA, he is speaking of his Irish speaking ancestors that were involved in USA formation.

Igboid:
Iduwe was right.
Bini is like Igala.
Both are hybrids and not original.

Bini was founded on Iduland( Ancient Land occupied by Igbos of Onitsha, and other Anioma clans), Udo( this was ancient Yoruba land that shared boundary with Idu an ancient Igbo land, both were located where modern Bini was built) and ancient Edoid groups like Oza and Esan,by Yoruba conquerors from Ile Ife.
They( the Yoruba conquerors) United the remnant of the Igbos, Edoids(Oza and Esan), Yorubas (Usen and co) and some Nupe elements as well, who remained after their invasion, to form the Amalgam you call Bini today.
Bini is a mixture of different groups.
This same scenario played out in Igala, where Ancient Igbo , Okpoto and Yoruba clans living side by side in Kogi were displaced by invading Junkun conquerors, who United them all to form the Amalgam called Igala.

In case of Bini the Esan, Oza and other Edoid speaking groups dominated, so the new language became Edoid, while the Ile Ife conquering party established the Oba dynasty.
In Igala case, Yorubas dominated, so the language stayed Yoruboid, while the conquering Junkuns established their dynasty.

Oza was there as a distinct group before Bini almagam was formed.
You see traces of incomplete assimilation into the almagam called Bini in Usen as the Yoruba components of Bini over there managed to retain their original language, just as Igbo speaking Igbanke and other pockets of Igbo enclaves in Edo South like Owariuzo and co did as well.

Iduwe's history was spot on.
Agbor is very much older than Bini. Just as Nsukka is older than IGALA.

Efewestern:
Before I make comment on the Aboh kingdom and its relationship with the Bini, let me first correct the bolded.
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First, several Urhobo/Isoko communities were already established before anything Bini Kingdom existed. They Urhobos were fully autonomous and independent from any external influences. I dare you to reference any Urhobo community/clan that was under the control of the Oba of Bini or any external force.

Directly or indirectly, no Urhobo clan was under the control of Oba of Bini and kingship in Urhobo land was too recent and it came out of the urge to belong. Only few Urhobo clans like Olomu, Agbon and maybe Ughelli had kings. The Urhobos operated a society that was far different from that of the Binis.

Bold of you to think Olu of Warri controlled the hinterland. Infact, the king of Iwerre was confined to his riverine communities. It was only recent did the Itsekiris migrated upland. Individual Urhobo communities controlled everywhere from Oghara down to Warri. Urhobo indigenous warriors (Igbu) were mainly stationed in bushes and forests.

Oba of Bini was an influential king in the whole of southern Nigeria, so non-powerful chiefs and leaders found in autonomous Urhobo communities would naturally want to associate with such greate power. Were the Urhobos under the control of Bini? Hell no! Did Oba of Bini appoint any leader to lead any Urhobo clan? Hell no!


I agree with your inputs. What happened in Aboh was similar to what happen to Warri. There was an exchange in power and I bet the power came from Bini.

Efewestern:
Binis also had influences over Riverine communities. Controlled creeks in Ondo and extended influences to Iwerre. In all of these, no single Ijaw community in the Delta was influenced.

My point, Ijaws were the only group in the Delta or one of the few group that outsiders couldn't penetrate. Also, they seem to be the oldest indigenous group in Southern Nigeria that have held sway of their environment for centuries.

They had contacts with Edoid Aboriginals centuries before the Bini empire came to life and several Edoid communities was as a result of Ijaw/Urhobo/Isoko ancestral blend. Were they influenced by Edoid groups? Of course yes, The Ijaws had ancestors from Urhobo but they still maintained dominance of all their surroundings.

That's the point I was trying to pass.

Efewestern:
I need to dig more into the Aboh-Bini relationship. It have always avoided that part of history because of its complexity and controversies.

But some questions beg for answer...

* Why was Aboh revered so much?
* Was the Obiship stool in Aboh a direct offshoot of Bini like that of Itsekiri ?
* Was Aboh considered an extension of Bini?

The reason I got into this slight argument with you is because you missed the point clefstone was trying to make when he mentioned there exists a Ndokwa name in a core Urhobo clan. The existence of such name wasn't as a result of cultural influence but migration and assimilation. I went further to give you examples of how Itsekiri names are found in several Urhobo clans. By the way, thanks for the references. I learnt a two.

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For us to get a clearer view of the past, we need to understand how related groups once lived. Kingdoms/Empires weren't really a thing for most occupants of today's Delta State. The Edoid Aboriginals never had that zeal to build an empire, the only group that were able to get a meaningful kingdom got it through Bini influences or other external factors.

The Urhobos/Isokos built flourishing independent clans they guilded fiercely. These clans were in no way under the control of any external influences. While the Binis saw the Oba as a god on earth, the Urhobos/Isokos only reverved the throne due to the enormous power it carries and territories it controls. (Oba of Bini at his peak controlled the whole of Eastern Yoruba and faraway lagos).

When the British started indirect rule, the Urhobos who were mostly republican in nature started creating thrones and for these kingdoms to get validity, they sought out for the Oba's blessings.

These actions led to many erroneously thinking the Urhobos/Isokos were under the control of the reigning Oba. Infact, the Urhobos were the only group whose none of its land was under the Oba's control till this very day. Whereas, some Anioma and Itsekiri territory till this very day are still under the Oba's control (See Igbanke and Ologbo). The attempt to control Oghara was heavily resisted and the rest they say is history.

Non-Edoid groups in Delta state aside the Ijaws were easily penetrated and influenced. The Binis sent a prince to unite Ijebu riverine dwellers and the Itsekiri kingdom was made. The Igboid part of the state were already receiving influx of Bini migrants, so the ground was already soft for Bini influences. Maybe this was the reason Aboh built the most successful kingdom in Delta state.

Of all groups, I respect the Ijaws the most. They seems to be the oldest in the zone as they are visible in most of my ancestral trace and not a single Ijaw clan fell under the control of the Binis.

Cc: Igboid, clefstone, RedboneSmith

Igboid:
Laughable.
[b]Both Aboh and Bini are too small in population and recent in terms of antiquity in comparison to Nsukka.
It's ridiculous and outright delusional the sort of things you guys believe and project over there.
I can only shudder at how warped your mindsets are.

If at all there is transfer, it Should be from Nsukka to Igala and from Igala to Aboh.
Because Igbo Nsukka is very old and is one of the founding members of Igala ethnic group alongside the Yorubas, Junkun and Okpotos.

So the only plausible way the transfer you propose could have happened is from Nsukka to Igala and from Igala to Aboh.

But alas, Igala don't bear the name Ossai, so off goes that your little fantasy.

Keep running in circles.

Igboid:
This is the truth and what Ndiigbo know of Bini and Western Igbo interactions and not the delusional stories some of you hold unto today.:

"Benin originated from Agbor. Ika had never been subjected to Benin or other trbes. Benins were weaker and fewer before 1897, Benin influence went no further than Ugo. Ikas harrassed Benins wth successful wars which led them to dig the trench around them".

~Agbor Patriotic Union 1939

This is what Chief E A Iduwe an Agbor chief had to say about Bini:

"Agbor speaks Ika dialect, akin to other Igbo tongues but with the special vehicle of Ika culture and image. It is DISTINCT AND DISSIMILAR FROM EDO LANGUAGE and vice versa, even though they said that Agbor was once under Oba's rule. This was so when the Bini were the first to acquire firearms from the Portuguese, and with which they TERRORIZED the neighbouring states. But this state of affairs lasted only for a short time. Agbors liberated themselves before the 18th century.
"Oru asuw Igbo, Igbo asuw Ika" : From this saying, Agbor appear to be the cradle of the Ika dialect and the and the Citadel of IGBO heroes" .

~ History of Greater Agbor page 14

LikeAking:
Sorry!

If you know keep friends you ar doomed.

Friendship are a from defence, wealth, everything thing.

Some times you fit advise your pikin, him no listen, but if you friend advise am him go listen.

Who will help yakids secure jobs in this economy..

Oga use your head

In Nigeria socialization is very necessary, else you will suffer.

If police look you up today, who will come to bail you?

Your wife?

Your wife and children no go give you contract, be wise.

Unless you have chosen to be poor.

Just helping you.

RedboneSmith:
There was nowhere I said Edo borrowed Kue from anybody, but okay.

RedboneSmith:
Wait. I just tried to research these names, and I think you're trying to pull a hood over my eyes. The Kue part of most of them doesn't have anything to do with "agree", "allow" or "permit" which is what kue means in Osakue and what kwe means in Osakwe and all the Kwe names I have listed.

So it appears you have not been able to present me with another Edo name that follows the pattern under discussion.

Except for Ehikue. Incidentally, this name too exists in Ika as Ehikwe. 😂

While the ehi prefix is without doubt borrowed from Edo, I will argue that in the Ika area it was grafted unto a long-existing kwe name pattern of Igbo origin and then reborrowed by the Edo as Ehikue.

Christistruth03:
Akoko Edo is in Edo state

Sirchiboy:
One of my plans this year was to setup a business.
Set up a barbing saloon but ended up regretting it.
Imagine my barber telling me that he worked N150 on Saturday.
I have to lockup the shop.
Just planning to sell off the shop

mightyhaze:
Who write this thing no go pass one agbadorian piglet. Real ijaws won't say stuffs like this.

Their tactics na to hide under other ethnic groups to fire cowardly shots at igbos..,hoping naive igbos can draw fire to themselves by attacking the group..


Agbadority 101

Vado2:
This boy does not deserve a mention he’s from the brown roof tribe.

Freshkpomo tread with caution. Last warning ⛔️

freshkpomo:

Mr hot yam are you aware that some of those places you mentioned have other dialects just as usen, egbeta and utese speaking Yoruba? Na over Sabi dey worry you and let me tell you Again even if you like tag me ijaw, urhobo or kwale. There is nothing to write home about [b]our tribe [/b]as a whole, tell me one significant thing you have as a bragging right? Just One? No companies to employ people, no good roads, nothing at all. Continue dey chest beat. The part I realized you were stupid was when you brought out one line from rema to compare thousands of lines from influence akaba man, and our won uselu boy slizzy E! The two may not be large but they do so much shit with our language than rema is doing. You see bug Yoruba and big Igbo artists singing with their tribes. Tell me one song from rema that has a Benin title, just one!!! Carry your chest beating stupidity elsewhere, I am not like many if you fools that support evil because it is been done by a family member. Benin is declining and you fools chest beating will not change anything!!! All the tribes you abuse online are better positioned in the country than you.

If Benin man dey office and you greet am LAMOGUN Sir just to get a job, the man go do like him nor dey hear Benin. But other tribes immediately they see the names are from their tribes they will rush and work in their favour. You be mumu to dey use Benin brag online!!!

freshkpomo:

I thought I was an jiaw man (according to you), why will an ijaw man be reading about the origin of the diversity of languages amongst Benin clans. I should be busy ready about uzon people na ... Have a nice day my friend, was nice engaging you.

freshkpomo:

Hope you know what comprehension is? Your write up say may different in pronunciation and spelling as in cases like Osa and Ose etc. As in the case of Esan and Benin. I did not put into consideration the demography but Rather the goals achieved from the study.

freshkpomo:

From this write-up Esan is supposed to be a Benin clan too right?

freshkpomo:

Show me where rema house dey for Benin and how is rema proud of been Benin? How many times does he sing in his local dialet like influence, slizzy E and black IQ. Na now I comfim say na one local boy I dey follow talk when nor even know anything about Benin. You are the imposter here and na people like you make Benin dey backward till date because them dey live on oast Glory instead to embrace reality. Abiala and so many neighboring communities in riverine ekewan have been taken over by the ijaws you called cowards. They have chased the Benin indigenes away and taken over their lands. If not for the ikpako boys of ekewan who also had some support from the oil company who dealt with them, them for don overrun all the binis. Mind you it has not happened in that area alone. We have Benin ijaws, Ondo ijaws, delta ijaw,rivers ijaw and then in in bayelsa. Can you tell me which other state has Benin as an indegenous tribe? Even our esan we dey speak similar language dey deny us.



They do militancy and that gives them relevance which makes them wiser than you. Do you even know why tony Kabaka protested the last time? Go to major oil companies or mines around Edo State. Na Yoruba people or Hausa Fulani people be their workers while we when get am dey jobless and here you are abusing people that stood up to fight for their right. You see wetin I dey talk since say you nor get sense!!! Cynthia Morgan dey greet LAMOGUN, wetin uronigbe people dey greet?

freshkpomo:

Na your house Ogun oba go take start useless pikin. Is there a thing to be proud about in Benin? Go to other states, even small delta that was once under us in Bendel go there and see transformation for yourself. You and that idiotic uronigbe boy when dey speak Benin like who dey choo Hot yam better keep quiet let's not disgrace ourselves....

freshkpomo:

The ijaws you abuse are currently way ahead of you in the pecking order, they produced a one time president and once they cough president dey shake, tell me what do you have to brag about? All these small children when nor know anything you dey open mouth waaaah dey spill trash because you dey nairaland. Cynthia Morgan one time wished she could deny been an Edo girl, Cynthia is partly and utekon girl. Mumu are you more Benin than An utekon girl? I rather be an ijaws boy and be making sense than to be one small Benin tribe that has no voice in national politics. Since Bendel was separated Edo looks like one village especially Benin. Each time I go to delta I am ashamed to say this was a place that we were once their boss and now look how rapidly it's developing. No road, nothing nothing. Tell me wetin we get to brag about, just tell me one Mr Benin boy.... Our only Glory rest on our Oba, remove oba from Benin it will be the most useless place ever.

freshkpomo:

Oga shut up make you Carry your nonsense near front, Benin na tribe to brag about? Wetin we get? Wetin we don achieve? Who takes us serious in national politics? And who be urhonigbe when dey speak Benin go back like who dey chop hot yam..m abeg shift go front go find who una want dey drag who be Benin or not together.

freshkpomo:

Well I don't have to argue with you about been Benin, and not only northerners go out for slavery when they reproduce massively. Have a nice day!