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Christistruth00:
Go and Check oba of benin praise names

He is the Son of Oduduwa of Ile ife




If Ooni of Ife turns up in benin and Claims the Throne and Kingdom of benin he too is also right


Ok, Let us look at the praise names of oba of benin

One of it is
Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).
(Odua of Ife is the same as oduduwa of Ife)

Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila
oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title

Notice there is no mention at all of any Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo or izoduwa a whole Crown Prince of benin that got lost and the renowned Accomplished benin Palace praise singers are not at all interested in his case
It can only be a lie

They did not mention and neither are they looking for the lost Ekhalerderhan .

izoduwa too is not happening anywhere in oba of benin's praise names but they called Oduduwa , the great Odua of Ife his Father

So with their own mouths they themselves have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed their case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of benin was indeed oduduwa's Son
There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

Ekhalerderhan of Igodomigodo that got lost is none of the oba of benin's highly accomplished praise singers business , nobody send am and they are not interested in finding him either

As far as they are Concerned oba of benin is the Son of Oduduwa the Olofin Adimula and Ruler of Ile Ife

we have discussed this over and again on the culture section. The story of Oranmiyan is a tale by moonlight. It is mythical. No one goes to a place they don’t know to invite someone to come and rule them. It is tales of Miletus

DOptical:
So you mean Portuguese came before Oranmiyan? See dumbness at display 😅

You cant run from your shadow despite your dumbness! 😅

are you that dumb? Oranmiyan did not exist, it is a tale meant to give you guys false unity, you guys are as different as day and night. Ijebu is different from Ife and did not migrate from Ife. There are eyewitness accounts of Portuguese interacting. Not oranmiyan that is not even logical to a five year old child

DOptical:
We're talking about fact, not your stupidity!

And yes, Ife is older than Bini which was named by Oranmiyan m

it was not named by oranmiyan the mythical tale, it was given that name by the Portuguese

Ife is light years behind Benin, there is nothing significant or noteworthy about ife

Usenokpevbo:
we are talking about common sense and not foolishness

abi my brother

DOptical:
Yoruba's culture alone such as attires, praise poetry and poetry (Oriki and Ewi), metaphor and proverbs (Owe and Afiwe), music arts such as drums, agidigbo etc should tell you that the Yoruba were highly civilized. Or art such as pavement road in Ile Ife, Oranmiyan staff, cooper and bronze arts etc. Even the crown on your Oba's head was made by the Yoruba Oranmiyan who was the first Oba of Bini who civilized Bini.

we have our own culture, way of life, metaphor and way of life, every tribe tribal culture, poetry, metaphor is unique, that does not make you civilized and the next man uncivilized. It just means those people are unique. With your bush uncivilized mentality. Oranmiyan did not exist. He is a myth. There are so much loopholes around the story. No one invites someone they do t know to come and rule them. It was a sham history crafted to give you guys a false unity and to harvest the Benin cultural identity. You guys are uncivilized my brother.


Ife is light years behind Benin in terms of age

Christistruth00:
Fake news

i dare you to come to Benin to say it if it is fake news, you saw how those tinubu labor party imposters were beaten, yours would be far worse

DOptical:
This is mythical below? 😅

You can't run from your shadow despite your dumbness.

Oranmiyan of Ile Ife and Oyo, civilized & named Bini.

are the Yorubas civilized themselves? The Ofanmiyan did not exist, the Ife and oranmiyan story is to give Yorubas pseudo unity. You can’t give what you don’t have. There is another theory to the name Benin and it is more plausible than this one

DOptical:
We're talking about fact here, not stupidity!

Ife is older than Bini. That's a fact! And Oranmiyan civilized Bini.

you are the stupid one here my brother, there is nothing factual about oranmiyan, he is more mythical than fact.


Benin for a fact is far older than the inconsequential ife that is used to give you guys pseudo unity

DOptical:
You mean Oranmiyan, the first king of Bini who named Bini name? Lol.

You can't run from your shadow despite your dumbness 😅

And yeah, Ife is older than Bini!

Benin is far older than Ife my brother, Ife is a relatively unknown place if not for the nonsensical unrealistic glory alloted to it

Christistruth00:
Fake news

In other Words you are saying Oba Erediauwa lied when he said obagodo of Ile Ife and his Followers Established the Benin Kingdom and Ogiso dynasty

Ogiamen family always say Oba of Benin is from Ile Ife and the Ekhalerderhan Story is nonsense

That doesn't negate that obagodo of Ile Ife and his followers from Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin

obagodo and his followers were the Ancestors of the Aboriginal Benin because 31 Ogiso ruled Benin before Oranmiyan and Eweka

Oba Erediuawa lied when he said Obagodo came from Ife.


Stop repeating words like a fool. Cite me anywhere, Ife did not even found the surrounding towns around her like Ijebu, modakeke and iseyin let alone stretching to Benin.

Ife is just one of the towns that evolved like any other Yoruba towns, it did not found anything. In fact coming to Benin to say that would earn you beating blue black

DOptical:
Lol. Without Oranmiyan, Bini has no history to begin with. Oranmiyan civilized Bini. Sink that info into your brain. And yeah, Ife is older than Bini.

Oranmiyan did not civilize himself let alone. I believe he was an uncivilized ape.

Mind you there are other theories of how the word Bini came up. There is a scholar article which seem to talk about the fact that the word Bini came from Benign which means kindness and it is more plausible that that is it.


Benin is far older than the foundation of Ife. If not for the unrealistic exploits that it is attributed to Ife to give it some form of relevance. It would have been a relative unknown place.

DOptical:
Dundee. Ife is older than Bini because it's BC, not CE like Bini. And Ife is yet to be excavated. When we bring the Oranmiyan staff, pavement road, IFA etc to the table, Ife is quite old. Or Iwo eleru to the table, considering Ondo came from Ife. All that you need to sink into your brain! Heck, it was Oranmiyan who named Bini. Ryder etc writing a nonsensical article in 1960 after Nigeria gained independence has no bearing. Meanwhile, The fact known is Ogunfunminire of the awori founded Lagos. This was written by the early British who came early.

Ogbeni Benin is older than Ife, larger than Ife in population today and more relevant than it in the Nigeria space today. The only glory Ife has today is attributing what Ife did not do to her, like saying Ife found Japan, Ife found Somalia and so on. Ife is still largely a village, irrelevant and inconsequential.


Bear in mind that Benin was Already Igodomigodo before it became Benin. That did not change the location, that did not change the age, it did not change the fact that people has been living in it. Ozour.

You are talking of the early British of the 19 century, there are accounts eye witness even long before the 19 century that talked about Benin foundation of Lagos

Christistruth00:
Was Oba Ehengbude of Benin and his entourage Drowned by Yorubas around Lagos when he tried nonsense on Not?

cite sources he was drowned, and tell me how it negate the founding of Lagos by Benins according to Bradbury and Ryder

Christistruth00:
Itsekiri version of the History of Lagos is the
Same as the Ijaw and Yoruba Version

cite textbooks don’t cite nonsense history for me, i am asking again is Bradbury or Ryder’s mother Bini, how many Binis here has argued with you here and cite Benin source?. Is itsekiri not a Yoruba group?

Is Lagos really not replete with Benin relics with name places such as idumota and several other idu’s that are intelligible in Benin and are Benin Naming pattern of areas. You think the historians are dumb, some of them are eye witness account. They conduct history backed by what is relatable and backed by evidences on ground. Not the way the Yorubas would tell it, so so person said it and it goes contrary to what is relatable and common sense. These guys are proper historians, not half baked and do not work with emotions

Christistruth00:
The Ijaw version of the History of Lagos matches the Itsekiri and Oyo ,Ijebu and Awori version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xun_CdDFnVU?si=gS3tgd8x5LepUMde

Ijaw did not record their history. We are talking about Peer reviewed scholarly research in textbooks by A list historians and scholars, you are talking about some unrecorded drunk Ijaw tales that changes from time to time. You need to understand that A.F.C Ryder is not a Benin man. Neither is Bradbury one neither are some of those reputable Yoruba historians who admit these facts one. The Benins themselves don’t really have a body of work that much that talk about their relationship with Lagos. That should lend credibility to these carefully researched works by A list scholars like Bradbury and Ryder

Christistruth00:
That the Awori Yoruba' founded Lagos is beyond any Contention
They are still the owners of Lagos today
In History in Law and on the Ground,In the Nigerian Supreme Court in the Highest Supreme Court of the British Empire the Privy Council and the Oba Of Benin didn't Challenge the Awori People's Claim to be the owners of Lagos

Let the Oba Of Benin give Quit Notice to the Awori Yoruba'and the Ijebus of Lagos so we can truly know who founded and owns Lagos

We are waiting

In other Words you are saying Oba Erediauwa lied when he said obagodo of Ile Ife and his Followers Established the Benin Kingdom and Ogiso dynasty

Ogiamen family always say Oba of Benin is from Ile Ife and the Ekhalerderhan Story is nonsense

That doesn't negate that obagodo of Ile Ife and his followers from Ife founded Igodomigodo Kingdom which is now Benin

obagodo and his followers were the Ancestors of the Aboriginal Benin because 31 Ogiso ruled Benin before Oranmiyan and Eweka

me i am asking you was Ryder, Bradbury, even some Yoruba notable historians are they drunk for admitting that Benin found Lagos. There are severaL scholarly works to that effect. Even the Oba of Lagos admitted so at a point.


There are so much loopholes in Oranmiyan’s story, it is far more mythical, a pseudo history than realistic, let alone Obagodo. That only shows Yoruba’s desperate attempt to harvest Binis rich cultural history.


Yes Oba Erediauwa lied when he said Igodo is from Ife.


Ife is a small inconsequential village. It is not older than Benin. It couldn’t have found Benin. Ife did not even found Iseyin, modakeke Or Ijebu. This new attempt at tracing every thing in yorubaland to Ife is a poor attempt at unity of the Yoruba people


Nobody can give give notice to anybody today, don’t be a fool, Nigeria is a democratic state. Powers are in the hands of the government. Since you guys are always saying that Ife found many towns in Yoruba land, let the ooni of Ife go and give notice to the Alaafin of Oyo. This is not before colonialism, Powers have long been taken from the hands of these traditional rulers, that does not negate the fact that they were once in charge. Such a poor attempt at logic.

Charlico2:
Yes. He is naturally from Okaigben-Ewohimi, Esan South East. (with a Yoruba mother)
its seems he grew up in Ibadan, south west.

it is a lie the mother is Esan too i think i overheard him telling RMD IN one interview

Eastlink:
Benin Landgrabber stay clear of Delta North and go do your Landgrabbing elsewhere. Jim Ovia and Tony Elumelu are proud Igbos and if it pains you then use a rope. Imagine how you jumped into an innocent thread to display your ignorance.

You can't tell Anioma people where they belong by bringing up ancient migration which no base. If so, then many tribes in Yorubaland won't be called Yoruba today since they migrated from the so-called Benin empire mostly those in Owo Ondo state. In addition, we might begin to call Benin people Yoruba's since Oranmiyan migrated from Ife. We can also call many parts of Isoko Igbo's too since many migrated from Igboland. But you'll never see Igbos do this since they've now ethnically assimilated with their host tribe. Only you lots from Benin are champions of landgrabbing in a bid to bring back a dead Benin Empire that was built by the Portuguese.

Unlike you Benin's, Igbos don't landgrab tribes we are not related with. We are only concerned with those that share ethnic affiliation with us in Language and culture and the colonial masters have long carved Nigerian ethnic groups accordingly before independence. Therefore, anybody looking to landgrab tribes in this modern age is simply wasting their time and you Benin's should be very careful.

Second, I observed your falsification of Jim Ovia's surname which you think is Benin since it’s sounds so. For your information the Ovia you think is Benin is a pure Igbo name. It's just a dialectical differentiation from Central Igbo Ohia which means forest. Now it takes different forms and becomes Ofia, Ovia, Ohia, Oshia in several parts of Igboland. While it's called Ovia in Ika, Aguleri, Awka, Ohafia etc, it becomes Ofia in places like Onitsha, Asaba, Nkpor etc. Additionally, the Ovia is similar to names like Isibor and Irabor which are deep Igbo names that many of you in Edo now bear and think are Benin names.

Third, The 6 Odiani clan which you rightly called Olukunmi are proud Igbos from Aniocha. The only thing that connects them with Yoruba is simply migration. They are proud Igbos and are part and parcel of the Igbo nation, sharing one destiny with us from the pre-independence, to the civil war to modern Nigeria. Anybody looking to grab must first cross into Igboland and will get a proper response not from us but the Odiani people themselves.

the Boy might very well be a Yoruba. Going through all his posts will give you an insights on that.


But i wish to correct something nothwothstanding your point if they are igbos or not. You see the names ovia, Irabor, Isibor are pure Bini names and have solid interpretable meanings in Benin language. Do you hear me. Although the argument you gave for ovia is intelligent, i will take that the Igbo ovia has a meaning independent of that of the Benins but not isibor and Irabor,Otabor those are pure Bini names with very sensible relatable meanings, you cannot give a sensible interpretation to it in Igbo, i dare you. The fact that the tribe Ika is heavily influenced by Benin is not even under contest. When you check the Archives of past kings of agbor, when you check the namings of several areas in agbor, it gives credence to this fact, anyone trying to argue otherwise is making a mockery of himself. Let me remind you that there is still a Bini community in agbor till date whose dialect is still 85 intelligible to the Binis till date

Christistruth00:
Benin Cannot Land Grab Lagos because firstly Benin have No Ancestral Lands in Lagos
even Isale Eko is Awori Land

Also Benin itself was founded by Obagodo and his followers from Ile Ife
Obagodo was also the founder of the Ogiso dynasty and the first Ogiso

The Last thing is that Yorubas were already in Lagos in the 10th Century when the first Owa Obokun was sent to Lagos by Oore of Otun Ekiti to fetch Sea Water from Moba near Victoria Island to cure Oduduwa's blindness
Owa Obokun and his Brother spent 2 months with the Moba People and the Onimoba before returning to Ile Ife with the Sea Water

dont be a fool, there is nothing like Obagodo, Ife cannot even be credited to have found modakeke let alone Benin. This your pseudo history with an aim to harvest a cultural identity is overstretching it. There are enough loopholes in the story of oranmiyan to debunk it let alone adding Obagodo to it. It is like you guys are taking advantage of the fact that Benin is a minority to publish these useless unrelatable history.


But that Benin founded Lagos is not even under contest and there are historical scholarships to buttress these points. From Ryder to Bradbury to several Others scholars even some of Yoruba origin. I do not think they are drunk

ejimatic:
I don't want to reply you because it seems yiu lack manners in the way you express yourself.
Nobody is winning any argument here.We are just rubbing our minds.
For our readers, I will emphasize again that

1. Benin in Edo State originated from Ile Ife
2. Yorubas in Benin Republic originated from Oduduwa. They are part of Yoruba Benin people in Edo State that live in Benin Republic
3 Aworis are Lagos early settlers. The Portuguese named Lagos after Lagos in Portugal.

The people of Benin Republic are not owners of Lagos.

it is not an argument, you don’t have any brain, you already sound like a fool, i can’t be more civil, it is not an argument.


You can’t be emphasizing what you don’t know. Benin people did not originate from ile Ife. A very minute section of the Benin people had some dealings with the Oduduwa theory and person. There is no text anywhere that states that the Benin people originate from ile Ife. I dare you to provide one. What you find at best is the oba’s family and a few family in the Benin tribe. Don’t be stupid, i am a Benin man


2. If Benin republic originate from Oduduwa i care less that is not what i came for

The Benin republic people are distinct tribes that are made up of distinct ethnic groups which are not affiliated in anyway to the Benin people of Edo state

3. Your third point i care less that is not what why i came here

Just admit you are empty upstairs

ejimatic:
But are you aware that One of Oduduwa Children is Onibenin of Benin. His children and descendants settled in Edo State . making up Benin Land.Years later some migrated to Benin Republic .That is why we have Yoruba speakers in Benin Republic till today . They are desecedants of Oduduwa! too

many of you here are so retarded and mentally messed up, you conjure new versions of history everyday with no historical proof, backing or background whatsoever. If i tell you to quote anything now you start foaming in your mouth.

I know of onisabe, i know of onipopo, i will tell you there is no onibenin, i would tell you for a fact that it is only very recently Dahomey became republic of Benin. Read up and strengthen your brain ire o.


Beyond the Oba’s family and a few other family, the overwhelming majority of Benin people and families did not have that association and rigmarole with Oduduwa, hence Benin people are not descendants of Oduduwa, only a very minute is

ejimatic:
. The Aworis were the first settlers in Lagos. IT was the Portuguese traders that gave them the name Lagos. Lagos is also in Portugal till today. The Nigerian history is also in support of the fact that Yorubas were that early settlers in Lagos not the Benin people!
I also agree that the Benin people of Edo State are also the descendants of Yoruba.There forefather was a son of Oduduwa.

Benin people are not descendants of oduduwa, there is no text anywhere that state that. A very minute section of the Benin people have this rigmarole and association with Oduduwa

funmijoyb:
Why are you so mad about what he said certainly correct go and look them up.he defeated you in your argument. Why you modern tribe of Bini wants everything to go your way. You have a lot of similarities with the Igbos but is the negative ones.

defeat who? Bros finished him.You guys like selective truth a lot and that is your bane when seeking knowledge

EmperorCaesar:
U understand Yoruba without stepping into the SW?

Where did u learn Igbo if u grew up in edo

there is a possibility of her learning Yoruba and Igbo in Edo state if she indeed learnt it in Edo.

Yorubas speak their language anywhere they are, my Edo mum that has’nt been to the southwest can speak decent Yoruba courtesy of our Yoruba tenants that has been with us since 2001

Putinofrussia:
Stop saying what you don't know and face your region.

why did Egherevba Benin Historian write about the founding of the Oba dynasty by Oranmiyan and why did the Oba Of Benin reward him by making him a high Chief afterwards?

As we speak the Oba Of Benin's Palace has listed Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin

Are you calling them liars?

This is the same Oba Of Benin declaring Oranmiyan to be the first Oba of Benin

Are you saying that he is lying?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qk8LO4t1OY?si=5h5JZUHTJ9LA2-j2

what region, i am a Benin you numbskull, i am not calling them liars, but Having Oba after Ogiso as the title does not add up, outside that history, nobody in Benin knows it as Obagodo, it is known in Benin through the length and Stretch as Ogiso igodo.


The Oba is not disputing Oranmiyan is his ancestor but he has correctly affirm that this Oranmiyan is a descendant of Izoduwa which later became Oduduwa, go and read his father’s. The same very palace made the correction, are you saying they are lying?

ViceGovernor:
Unlike the case of Oba in Benin....that of illorin wasn't always like that I believe there used to be an Óba in Ilorin before the land grabbers came in.

The Oba of Benin was not always there too, it is believed that his ancestor migrated down to Benin city and his descendants became the Oba. Prior to that time, the tribe inhabiting this territory was already there with Ogiso as the ruler of the land too. It is exactly the same thing.

Gamesmart:
Nonsense!

Did Olusegun Aganga from Edo State not represent Lagos as a Minister?

Did they cast him out?

Olusegun Aganga was already in his third generation in Yoruba land and he has full Yoruba names

ViceGovernor:
And yet they have an Óba 👑

Ilorin has an Emir, does that make her fulani

ThierryJay:
My mum's extended family are from Benin City itself. They do not have any family base in Lagos or Yorubaland though one or two of her cousin sisters married from Yoruba, but the core of the family tree is purely Benin.

Let's even leave the speaking part. Why do so many people from Edo/Benin bear Yoruba names or surnames? I have seen this quite a lot and most of them have to voice out openly to clear misinterpretations that they are not Yoruba but from Edo State. I think this is an even stronger proof of preexisting ties.

Your thoughts?

i put it to you that the family tree is not from Benin city but from Usen, they might have one of their patriarch built a house in Benin but i put it to you that the very core of the Family tree is not from Benin city but usen or any of the other extreme western Bini villages.

The once you referred to as so many are a very minute fragment of the general Edo population. They from these extreme western Bini villages and Akoko Edo that already have these yoruba speaking abilities would naturally migrate towards the west where they already have an edge in terms of language. But that does not change the fact that the bulk of Binis are still in Benin city, In their villages and in Europe.

The normal Edo man does not bear a Yoruba name, he has nothing to do with it.

Many of them you also find like dele momodu, Olusegun Aganga grew up in Yoruba land and are in thier third generation and still however find a way to identify as Edo passing off a clear deceptive note the more. I can tell you 90% of the reasons a fraction of Edo bear Yoruba names and speak Yoruba is as a result of border. If the Edos were to be in the eastern fringes where the Igbos are presently located, i tell you no Edo would speak Yoruba or bear Yoruba names except those ones whose mothers are Yorubas and are named such by their mothers

ThierryJay:
It's not about whether it's your state and what you allow or shouting aggressively. What is important is what is observable and factual.

And what is obvious is that there is some sort of close relationship between some parts of Edo State like Benin, Akoko-Edo etc and the Yoruba. I have come across so many Edo persons bearing Yoruba names and these are not only from the fringes with Ondo State. Surely this didn't just happen by coincidence and clearly lends some credence to the close relationship between Edo State and the Yoruba.

My mum is from Edo State by the way. Benin to be precise. All my mum's family side living in Benin are able to speak Yoruba fluently.

So explain.

It might be that your mum’s family have base in Lagos up to the third generation, or other parts of yorubaland.

And also the extreme western parts of Bini also share borders with Ondo state. Ask your mum if she is from Usen or any other extreme western Bini villages, these are the only parts that have these Yoruba ability. 95% of Binis don’t know speak Yoruba and don’t have any need for it.

It is also believed to be that the Oba family and a few family migrated from Yoruba land, if this is true or not is not the position here, but i can tell you that none of these families except the ones that settled on the fringes can speak Yoruba today. The Oba’s family cannot if he indeed migrated from Yoruba land .

That of Akoko Edo is sincerely dependent on trade and association to survive and nothing more, Akoko Edo is on the fringes, they speak Yoruba alongside their Edo first languages for trade, interaction, to survive

Putinofrussia:
Benin belongs to Yoruba.
The first Ogiso,Obagodo came from Ile Ife.
The first Oba,Oba Oranmiyan followed by his son,Oba Eweka1 all came from Ile Ife.
All of them are Yoruba by blood including Osimhen.
CAF knows this

there is nothing like Obagodo, we in Edo know him as Igodo not Obagodo, the Oba was added by mischievous Yoruba historians to claim the Benin heritage. Ogisos have nothing to do with Yoruba, not one of them. The Oba stool is the one in contention which he has also debunked that his stool founded ife

Slurity:
I want to hear from real Edo man that understand true history to tell me that he is not Yoruba. just in case you don't know, the blood of Oduduwa is the king in Benin till today. Also to forget that all Akoko-Edo speak pure Yoruba till date. Lastly, kindly ask the King in Benin the meaning of Oba in Edo language.

Ogbeni shut up, don’t be a stark illiterate, there is no Edo that is Yoruba, our languages are not similar at all, it will take a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Yoruba man to understand 5% of Edo. Why the pretense, we are not the same people.

Akoko Edo is not Yoruba. All Groups under this local government that makes up five percent of Edo state population are Edo groups as well as Igarra which is akin to Ebira. If any of these groups speak their first language for you and you hear as much as five percent , let me die. The Yoruba language they speak alongside their first language is their second language and was acquired from their neighbors in Ondo state.

Let’s agree for the sake of argument that The Oba line is Yoruba by ancestry, is that a reflection of the entire tribe, for the fact that the emir of ilorin is Fulani by ancestry, does that mean that everybody in ilorin or even the majority is Fulani?