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[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=509317.msg6705329#msg6705329 date=1283758826]I think they are just the political icing sugar cuz even if they don't for jonathan,he will rig himself i. . . . .there and then,the ibo would come out more frustrated than anything else if jonathan wins without their support.[/quote]He can try but just like Abiola, he can fail. Abiola said he didn't need Igbo support and look what happened. We can be the wrench in anyone's plans.

Ikengawo speak for your dammn self.

Only a few misguided Igbos in Lagos claim Lagos. Those are the ones who cannot even speak their mother tongue. When they come to the East, their family only shakes their head.

The Igbos in America have an excuse but an Igbo in Lagos who cannot speak their mother tongue has no excuse.

ezeagu:
Forget what you heard, the entire states of Cross River and Akwa Ibom are filled with one ethnic group with petty divisions.

You are not lying. As a native Ibibio speakers, Efik, Ukwa and Annang are dialects of the Ibibio language. An Ibibio speaker can understand these so called "languages" like an English person understand the English being spoken by an American or Canadian.

Ibime:
Don't mind Ezeuche and others talking about pushing people into the sea. When was the last time any Igbo tribe/nation/clan or village won a war against external force? If the British hadn't told em they were one people, their clans would continue being pillaged by Ijaw and Benin peoples. hehehehhehehe

You dun start it now you Ijaw! 

When has an Ijaw subdued any Igbo clan? Name one Igbo clan clan that has been raided by the Ijaws. You people were not eve allowed into the hinterland. The hinterland was Aro-Abam-Ohafia (Aro Confederacy) domain. Know your place, because we Aro could have easily turned your people into slaves. Just ask the Northern Igbo clans and Ibibio clans about the Abam raids.

And I know for a fact that no Ijaws could defeat the Ngwa. The biggest Igbo blockade in the South-South. Those people were know for their head hunting characteristics.

Maybe we Igbos should push you all out of Rivers State and keep you in that backwards state of Bayelsa. The nerve of a small minority like the Ijaws talking big.

We Igbos deserve the presidency. Numbers matter. You cannot keep 30+ million people and think they would be ok with that. It has been 40 long years since we have touched power.

A major group has been denied the presidency for so long, and we are getting angrier each day.

2015 is non-negotiable or else. . . We back up our threats just like the Hausa.

Bk/babe the Yoruba akata.

Calling him a Hispanic is an insult to all Hispanics. They would claim his ape looking behind and they would throw bananas at him.

Let is be known, I PERSONALLY do not like the Ijaws.

Due to what they did to my grandfather's land in Port Harcourt with Abandoned Property Saga. If it was not for the works of illustrious Igbo sons such as Sam Mbakwe to gain our land back, then my hatred would burn brighter each day.

That was on a personal note.

I have never hid my dislike of those people. I have no problems with the Ogoni, Efik, Ibibio, Ekoi and other Eastern "minorities," but the Ijaws are something else. I would be happy to support an Ibibio man, but an Ijaw man is out of the question.

If you look at our post, the most contentious subject is dealing with the Ijaws.

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Also, this thread was not about BIAFRA!!! It was about the true extent of Alaigbo.

We Igbos have no claim to Warri nor do we want to claim Warri. Asaba is our town and we are perfectly fine with it. Any Igbo who claims Warri is not in his right mind and he should get his head examined.

Hence I said, the TRUE EXTENT OF ALAIGBO. We Igbos need to get our own borders situated before we look outward. And if there is any nation like Biafra. . . I would not want Ijaws in it. I would vigorously fight a nation that includes those people.

I'll rather stay in Nigeria then join in a nation with the Ijaws.

PhysicsQED:
Quote from: EzeUche22 on September 04, 2010, 04:45 PM

How would it have been "dealt with thoroughly"? How could it have been? Violence? Adaka Boro wanted independence from domination by larger groups before there was ever talk of Biafra, so how could have he been "pacified" if not through violence in the same way they Northern Nigerian controlled government was attempting to "pacify," through violence, the Eastern region?

In the same way that the events leading up to the outbreak of the civil war were the main motivation for the Eastern region's desire to secede, and not merely Ojukwu's call for it or his personal ambition, the motivation to avoid domination by another  group with competing interests would still have been there and been a motivation for fragmentation of the east even if Boro was dead in 1967.

And if there was to be a Biafra today, why would Ijaws, the fourth largest ethnic group, with 10 million, ever want to be part of Biafra when they could have the whole cake of coastline and oil to themselves? There was no oil money when Boro first decided his people were underrepresented in Eastern affairs? Now that there is, how could any Ijaw want to be a Biafran?

Biafra failed to win over minorities in Nigeria through a lack of diplomacy. Had they been even more violent, it would have made their cause seem different from what it was and extremely illegitimate. There was no legitimate basis for "pacifying" Eastern Ijaw.

First of all, I doubt the Ijaws are the 4th largest ethnic group in Nigeria. That should belong to the Ibibio, if you include the Efik and Annang, because they speak the same language and have similar cultural characteristics. I should know, I am half Ibibio and I speak Ibibio fluently. I can speak with great EASE with an Efik man or an Annang man with no problem.

The Ijaws have been a problem for not only the Igbo, but for the Itsekiri (who hate them with a passion), the Yoruba, Urhobo, Ikwerre, and Isoko. Why can't they get along with their neighbors? We Igbos complain about them for a reason. There would never be a Niger Delta republic, because the Ibibio would never join a Ijaw dominated gov't. The Ogoni would never join nor would the Itsekiri who join their Yoruba cousins and the Urhobo would go along with the Edo people.

You act as if the Ijaws controls the whole oil coastline. The Ijaws are not even native to the East. Bayelsa is not their homeland. They moved East of the River Niger to their present land. But you had other groups living in the region such as Igbo people.

The Ijaws could have been easily pacified. And yes through violence. They are not fit for diplomacy, because they will stab you in the back. The Ibibio and Efik were Eastern minorities who gave up a lot of lives to defend Biafra. We Igbos know our true friends and it is not the Ijaws.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=508578.msg6704428#msg6704428 date=1283735560]Even I know that wasnt the reason yall wanted to haul aszz with Niger-Deltan oil back in '66.[/quote]We Igbos are the Niger Delta you FOOL!

ezeagu:
Keyword: Emperor

Eze Aro can fulfill that position. Just joking.

However, the individual nature of the Igbo person is truly remarkable, especially on the world context. We were practicing democracies before the white man even though of it, but is also our curse as well.

THE AMAKA:
una still dey  

lol I know you feel left out. Learn about your homeland my dear and encourage discussion by joining us my dear.

chyz:
How would you go about stopping the people from speaking their lects?

That would need a centralized state. I hate to use this example, but China suppresses language being spoken, let alone lects. It can be done.

Anything that goes against unification of Alaigbo should be suppressed.

asha 80:
is that what you think because you from the southern part?i actually understand the northern lects (except of course the ebonyi axis) than bende axis igbo that sounds like efik to me.

Trust me, the bende axis Igbo is nothing compared to Efik/Ibibio. And I am a native Ibibio speaker. I learned Igbo and Ibibio at the same time while growing up.

ezeagu:
x Speech
+ Meeting
(=) Unity



I don't think the dialects should be gotten rid of, you can use a standard dialect to teach in class, and there's no harm in knowing your own dialect. If Igboland became a country with Igbo bombarding people from all sides, understanding other dialects will be easier because 1, you would understand the pattern of your asusu more, and 2, the other olu would get more exposure with the lessening of Bekee.

I see lects as destroying progress. That is why I enjoy reading about what Qin Shi Huang (China's First Emperor) did in creating a standard lect for the Chinese languages which had thousands of lects into one single lect which can be found through Mandarin. The lect in which 85% of the Chinese people speak.

Getting rid of lects should be our first thing should I do

asha 80:
I doubt if the owerre,mbaise or ngwaman will agree with you.
My ohafia friends always speak his dialect whenever he is a fellow ohafia.

But those lects can be easily deciphered! Try listening to Northern Igbo lects! Is it even Igbo?

asha 80:
Errm,  i thought you posted this just a short while ago

I did. That is why I said forget what I stated. I go back and forth concerning the issue of clan identity. I am a proud Aro man, but I look forward to the day in which my children and their children will live in an Igbo nation that does not worry about what clan you are from.

But I am not torn on the issue of lect. I think all Igbos should speak the same lect. Some Igbo lects I cannot even understand and I think I am well versed in many Igbo lects.

ezeagu:
The scripts you see can even be used to write Igbo. The scripts are not restricted to any language and the original (which they call Kanji) was actually given to them by China. Because they couldn't make words out of the pictures (that's what they really are) they created Katakana and Hiragana which represent tones (e.g ch, ki, bo, etc.)

Example for 'person'

Chinese: 人
Japanese: 人

Maybe we Igbos should be more focused on creating our own script using the Nsibidi but adding more symbols to it.

Also, getting rid of unnecessary lects and making every Igbo speak general Igbo. What angers me most is when Igbos speak in their lect so other Igbos present would have a hard time understanding what they are saying. The Northern Igbo clans are notorious for this.

I would not be a good Igbo diplomat!  

However, if you need someone to get the Igbo population riled up and ready for battle, then I would be that guy.

When dealing with non-Igbo groups like the Ijaws, it would be best if I did not say anything. I can deal with my Ibibio kinsmen, but other groups. . . not so much.

Scratch my thoughts on the clan issue.

We need to consolidate Igboland. We need to get rid of this foolish clan notion. I believe in the individuality of the Igbo person, but when it comes to clans, we Igbos should mix with other Igbo clans.

Germany had this problem as well. The Germans states were always at war with each other until a man that went by the name of Otto Von Bismark united all of the German speaking states under one Germania.

We Igbos need unite and throw away the clan yoke.

Ibime:
Ezeuche is softer than a babys bottom. He is the kind of guy who would be scared to visit friends in Borokiri cos "they shooting" in the Ijaw part of town.

I know your people very well since I was raised in Port Harcourt. Your people fight in packs, but when you all are cut off from your group, you all run for the hills!

experience:
This is an Ndigbo trait (reason why we survive too) with many advantages often misconstrued as individualism. But with a worst case scenario that say 80% believe in clanhood, what system of govt. should we adopt?

I would say clanhood.

At the end of the day, I still see myself as an Aro Igbo. Hence I said Aro first. I am loyal to the Igbo people, but my clan comes first.

Abagworo:
@ezeuche22.the way you talk about war is funny to me.I doubt if you would volunteer to be a foot soldier.

Why would I not be a foot soldier? My people have always been warriors. My father fought on behalf of Biafra, my grandfather was a warrior, my grandfather's father was a warrior, my grandfather's father's father was a warrior and so and so on.

My youngest brother fought on behalf of the U.S. in Iraq and Afghanistan. I come from a highly militaristic family. So of course it has shaped my views.

So you can take your [b]doubt [/b]and shove it where the sun don't shine, because you do not know me. EWU!

asha 80:
if i am not mistaken there are indigenous igbos in cross river state.

The only Cross River Igbo groups are the Aro, the Ada of Afikpo, the Abam-Ohaffia of Bende and Okigwe.

Katsumoto:
I didn't pick the name by accident. If you know about Japanese Shogun history, then you should know why I only discuss certain topics. And to answer your question, I studied that era very well.

Well [b]Katsumoto [/b]you have gained some respect from me worthy foe. Even though I am more interested in Chinese and Mongolian imperial history, I have made some forays into Japanese history. Kudos to you for knowing other people's history.

I wonder what is your view of Yamana Sōzen.