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Ivynwa:
Ezeuche sweetie, I hope I didn't hurt you there, you sound a bit remorseful and I am almost feeling for you for putting you in a bad corner. I don't disrespect people and I didn't really want to make anybody look silly here, I wanted to write this in Ibo so that others won't hear what I have to say and in other not to disrespect you guys.
I am not sorry for what I said but I am going to remove it and replace it with an ordinary "hello people" but you have to tell onlytruth to remove it in his quotation of me okay. I hope you understand what I mean, I just don't want others coming in here to mock you decent guys because of my comment even though there are some atoms of truth in what I said okay Baby.
Again you have to see how to edit out stuffs some people said about war and any statements that are made against any tribe , I hope you understand.

Yes o! My feelings were definitely hurt.

Read the whole discussion and get a better understanding of what the contributors have been saying all along.

Beaf:
Ohaneze's site does mention Goodluck Jonathan as a distinguished son(needs to be updated tho, cos it still says Vice President).
http://www.ohanaeze.org/5.html

The page seems to have been last updated at least, one year ago.

Here goes our illustrious Igbo organization claiming people who should not even be considered Igbos!

I second the opinion that any Igbo who support Goodluck Jonathan is putting a nail into the Igbo aspirations into the presidency. Have you people no shame!

Onlytruth,

I think it was the change in my rhetoric that caused the dramatic shift in discussion. Me being tired of Igbos being pushed around by minorities added a more militant approach to the discussion.

Onlytruth:
Lets examine an alternative scenario.
Igbo supports Jonathan for 2011 and 2015 (cos he is going for a second term ). He finishes in 8 years time.
The north takes over and complete their own 8 years.
The south west (cos we blew our chances in 2015 ) takes over from the north and complete their 8 years
The north takes over from south west and complete another 8 years.
Now, lets add the years up:

8 + 8 + 8 +8 = 32 years.

Bros I can tell you that Nigeria cannot even survive past 2015 if the north reneges.
I don't think anyone wants Igbo mans trouble in Nigeria. The north is not silly. They understand Nigeria and want to keep it one. That is why they are making the statements.

Now we are singing the same tune again my brother!

All I need to do is get you to agree on the MIGHT MAKES RIGHT philosophy when dealing with the Ijaws and we can be a united front!

Jonathan answers his father's name and his father is an Ijaw. Nor does Jonathan see himself as an Igbo so he will not be treated as such.

Chineke!

I first stated no comment, but now I have to say something about Beaf.

Now I am happy that I am not the only one who noticed the hypocrisy coming from Beaf.

Anyone who does not support Jonathan he ridicules. He needs to learn to respect other people's opinions.

THE AMAKA:
you people are still here after two weeks?

This thread is hotter dan fiyah!

Such a contentious topic!

udezue:
EzeUche, and Igbo will be fighting that war squarely on their own because they went on their own to make a useless pact with Fulani North who are not known to live up to their promises. Now do u see where Igbos are heading with your strategy?

Oh really? We will not make the same mistakes that we did in the past. You think the international community will help the Nigerian gov't if there was a war? They would allow it to fall apart.

When a nation suffers two civil wars, it is definitely not meant to be together. A war could be beneficial for the Igbos the way I see it, because we can deal with those Ijaws once and for all and claim all of Alaigbo. Not focusing on non-Igbo communities is the only way we could be victorious, but I am getting way ahead of myself.

My main concern is 2015. An Igbo presidency is non-negotiable.

No comment.

kettykings:
@ posters are u people contemplating leading the igbos into seccession and another war. Look people are waiting for igbos to make a slip before they rush for igbo businesses in abuja and lagos.

The best bet is igbos to play false patriotism by supporting the north for 2011 and when they get the preisdency in 2015 reclaim all the igbo land in rivers from obigbo to bonny and the get the igbo assurance to rivers igbos that their land and oil will not be taken over by mainland igbos.

Secondly the igbos are better off in nigeria and can use that platform to play their role as africas super power

I like the way you think but 2015 will be a test. I shall throw my support behind the north in this election, but if they back off their promise to us about 2015, then I and many others will see this as a slap in the face and a FULL declaration of war against the Igbo nation.

2015 shall be a test to see if the Nigerian experiment can work. If not, our people should be preparing for war since it has been 40 years since our people have touched the power! It has been far too long.

These Yorubas only know how to speak out of both sides of their mouth. When the North said that there would be a Yoruba president, no one complained, but since it has been 40 years since an Igbo man has been president, they say they are giving us carrots.

Mehn these Yorubas need to shut the helll up and worry about themselves. We Igbos want the presidency and if the north promises us this, then we shall keep them to their word.

excanny:
When they dangled 2 Yoruba carrots(Falae&OBJ) before you in 1999, they weren't deceiving Yorubas. But because they made an open promise to igbos, they now have become deceivers.

Speaking of people who speak from both sides of their mouth. Why is it that when an Igbo man tries to move a step forward, it's always frowned at? In fact, igbos have more
enemies down here in the south than up in the north.

Gbam!

An Igbo presidency is non-negotiable!

Onlytruth:


I am not aware that Nnewi folks hijacked Igbo leadership. All I said is that we are still among top Igbo leaders.

Secondly, I remember the account from my father who actually fought in the war too. He says that when the war was brewing, the Igbo puffed about the same Ohafia/Abam warriors. When the actual shooting war started, those folks could not do much to save Biafra.

For me, the biggest lesson of Biafra is NEVER to fight EVERYBODY. You will lose. Biafra fought everybody. I don't want to repeat that mistake.

My very own father fought valiantly during the siege of Onitsha so you are using only antedotal evidence. Yes, the Ohafia/Abam warriors are known far and wide, but we were not in the leadershjip positions, of course we could not tap into our true potential.

The biggest lesson of Biafra is that in times of peace, we should prepare for war, and in times of war, we should prepare for peace. We should never have invaded the midwest region and we should of focused on the Niger Delta. Not pacifying the Eastern Ijaw was our BIGGEST mistake. We should of handled Adaka Boro when we had the chance.

Dede1:
Bros, I understand your beef correctly. However, our people say “it is better that a chicken found the dead body of dog than the dog locating the dead body of chicken because all the accusing fingers will be directed to dog as cause of chicken dead”.

Dede1,

You are right, but sometimes, my anger gets the best of me. [b]Onlytruth [/b]is someone who I normally agree with on many issues, but on this major issue of diplomacy, I have to disagree with him!

It is time for us to start throwing around our huge numbers. To be bullied by minorities is beneath us. There is no need for us to be begging for their support. We should be dictating to the Ijaws, not trying to be diplomatic with them.

Ibime:
hehehehe. . . . you for talk this one from start instead of claiming here, there and everywhere.

[b][/b]Pesin say MIGHT MAKES RIGHT and Ijaw live by that code. We no dey look face.

Do not make me laugh! If the East was left alone, we would see who are the true masters of the East. And it is definitely not some foreign "Canoe People" who are not even native to the East.

ilugunboy:
EzeUche, why are you kicking-boxing all over the room. Your bile level is going north dangerously and its time to watch it.

This is weekend, calm down, get a babe and get laid, it will calm your nerves.

I cannot sleep while my enemies are trying to destroy me. That does not make sense. There is no time to rest.

Onlytruth,

Then I call into question why the Igbos from Nnewi have hijacked the leadership of the Ndi Igbo. There is a need for a change in leadership then, no offense to you Nnewi Igbos.

We need a new shift on the way Igbos think. Why not allow the Igbo clans who understand the ways of war and diplomacy. Yes, I am saying the Aro, Ohafia, Abiriba and Abam Igbos should lead the way. For far too long we Igbos have been pushed around, yet people are still screaming diplomacy.

The time for diplomacy is over. We must look for our own interest. From the realist point of view, another groups gain is our loss. The Ijaws gain is our losss. It is as simple as that.

And you discuss my Ibibio roots. Remember that the Ibibio have remained a stalwart allies of the Ndi Igbo. The same cannot be said of the Ijaw. As long as they honor Adaka Boro who fought against us, there can be no peace amongst the Igbo and the Ijaw. This is a blood feud. Do you think I lost sleep over Odi? I seen it as retribution.

I weep for my state!

This is how warlords come into existence. When politicians create their own private armies, then violence is bound to occur.

Look at what happened in Somalia and DR Congo.

This is how it should be.

If someone kills 1 of our people, we kill 10 of their people.

When a 100 Igbos are killed, we should wipe out an entire village.

This is what was done in the old days when Igbos were known as brave warriors!

In this world, MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!

The Fulani have mastered this. Keep their minorities in check. You see what they are doing in Jos. It is not right, but it sure does send a message that they are here to stay.

Abagworo:
@ezeuche.as you are related to ibibio,so are some of us related to ijaw either as maternal home or inlaws.you seem not to understand many issues.what ijaw groups and some igbo groups did was a survival strategy.rivers state was created with claims of granting autonomy.those included saw the war as needless since they already got a state by peace and their safety could not be guaranteed by the weaker biafran side.

Do not ever compare the Ibibio with the Ijaws! The Ibibios have proved time and time again as stalwart allies of the Ndi Igbo. The Ijaws on the other hand, has done us enough harm.

You wouldn't be singing that tune if your land was not turned into Abandoned Property in Port Harcourt. If it was not for Sam Mbakwe who worked diligently to give my family and many other Igbo families their land back, the Ijaws would have kept our land. I grew up amongst many Ijaws, there are a few that are good, but you can still see jealousy in their eyes. While they scream oil, oil and more oil, we Igbos are trying to make money in other ways.

The Ijaws bragged about joining the Hausa to defeat us and you want us to forget that. THAT is pure nonsense and any Igbo who supports an alliance with the Ijaw is an enemy. And he shall be treated like Azikiwe. With disdain.

Minorities pushing us around. Very funny. There is still plenty of weak Igbos from weak clans. That is why I look down on those people. Knowing the illustrious history of my Aro, Ohafia and Abam ancestors, all I can do is shake my head at people who yell diplomacy.

Igbos who still scream diplomacy are FOOLS. You all are the reason why our region is neglected.

And in my eyes, you ALL are the enemy to progress. Weak bastardss

I can change my opinion can I not asha 80?

People do not keep the same opinion throughout their life. As I said previously, I tried to see the good in the Ijaw, but i have not.

You are not suppose to have permanent friends, but permanent interest. You call it a flip flop, I call it being smart. That is the difference between you and I.

If you actually think the Igbo should or a person should think in one way, then you are sadly mistaken. That is what lead us into this predicament, Igbo trying to keep time honored alliances that cannot work anymore.

You have a lot to learn about the world. I am a REALIST and you are just plain NAIVE.

asha 80:
Time for what?The issue is you should relax and think deep and not shallow.

I think you are the one thinking shallow. Or a weak man's thinking.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

We Igbos will not be fooled twice with these people who do not like us. Let them have their oil. I could care less about these lazy people.

Obiagu1:
I support EzeUche and chyz. The earlier we evaluate our relationship with the Ijaws, the better for us. The hatred and jealousy they have for us is deep rooted, if you try to overlook it, believe me it will consume us no matter how big we are. We cannot be fools all the time.

I'd rather remain in Nigeria than form a nation with the Ijaws. Period.
They can take the oil their lives depend on, and good riddance I'll say to them when that time comes.

Gbam!

I loathe these "Canoe people." They started way too much trouble in Port Harcourt and continue to make that town less safe.

I can tolerate the Ogoni knowing that many of the people do not have the same views of the Igbo like Saro Wiwa did but with the Ijaws, it is out of the question.

Adaka Boro sealed their fate with me. Just too much bad blood. And any Igbo who considers joining with them should have their head examined or be slapped.

asha 80:
i said Ogoni with saro wiwa.meaning saro wiwa does not equate ogoni.

asha 80,

I know where this is going to lead us, like it usually does. An ARGUMENT!

Abeg, stop when we still have time.

I say to any minority in the East who have a problem with the Ndi Igbo, come and fight us then. Let any minority in the East that is strong enough to defeat the Ndi Igbo do so. These are the words I stand by.

No running away. I am an Igbo supremacist. I tried to be tolerant of other groups, but people take our kindness for weakness.