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 Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 2:53am On Mar 12, 2016 |
That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them. The Noble Quran, 4:156-159 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 2:51am On Mar 12, 2016 |
The Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus do not record the resurrection Very few Christians know that Gentile historians NEVER mentioned the resurrection of Jesus pbuh. The Jewish philosopher Philo (50 CE) absolutely makes no reference to Jesus pbuh crucifixion. The Christians are embarrassed that Philo lived during Jesus pbuh lifetime and never mentioned his resurrection. After the departure of Jesus pbuh, his teachings spread to North Africa and Egypt, but he was not popular or widely known. The following writers do not mention Jesus pbuh resurrection: Philo-Judaeus Martial Arrian Appian Theon of Smyrna Lucanus Aulus Gellius Seneca Plutarch Apollonius Epictetus Silius Italicus Ptolemy |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Truth About Crucifixion by facheux: 2:33am On Mar 12, 2016 |
If we look into this matter more closely, we will see that Jesus pbuh and the disciples were waiting for the Roman soldiers. The disciples had sold their clothes and bought swords and were waiting for the Roman soldiers. This is a war like situation with a lot of emotions and tension around and scientifically one doesn't sleep in such a tense situation. Jesus pbuh orders the disciples to sell their clothes and buy swords, ". . . Lord, behold, here are two SWORDS." And he said unto them, "It is enough". Luke 22:38 Jesus pbuh places the disciples. If not for his protection, then for what reason? Matthew 26 36 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. 37 And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. He doesn’t want to die. 38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. 39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. Disciples slept. 40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and found them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour? 43 And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. 44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. One of them, supposedly Peter, chopped off the ear of the enemy. Luke 22 49 When Jesus' followers saw what was going to happen, they said, "Lord, should we strike with our swords?" 50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear. 51 But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him. No more indicates that they were originally prepared for a fight but no more, as ordered by Jesus. Immediately after this, all the disciples fled (Matthew 26:56) and Peter was arrested with Jesus. It seems that the writers, either had no knowledge of what had happened or they making this story up on purpose. Questions: 1. Who is writing this story? 2. Everyone was asleep. How is he writing this story when everyone was asleep? 3. How does a sleeping man know what Jesus pbuh was doing and what he was saying in his prayer? 4. What was Jesus pbuh praying for if not asking for help to not get crucified? 5. Jesus pbuh had set the other disciples outside and far from him. Only Peter, John and James were the closest to him and they too were asleep. How does the disciple far away, and also asleep, know what Jesus pbuh was doing? 6. They knew that the Romans were coming to get Jesus. Why did they continue to sleep? This is a warlike situation and in such situations, one doesn't sleep like the way the disciples did. How come all of them slept at once and again and again, even after Jesus’ pbuh waking them up. What is wrong with them? 7. Jesus pbuh had told the disciples to take swords, they had only two swords with them. They were all waiting for the Roman soldiers to come. Two disciples farthest outside, some inside and John, Peter and James closest to him. If this is not positioning for war, then what is this? 8. Was the swordsman, who cut off the ear, Peter? 9. Either Peter, John or James struck the Roman soldier and cut off his ear. This is brave of him. Then how come the disciples fled later on and Peter even refused to recognize Jesus and kept swearing and cursing? At one time such extreme bravery and at another, such extreme cowardice. Peter obviously didn’t go with the adrenaline as he asked Jesus before attacking. 10. Why is the man on the cross shouting "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" The Christians believe that that man gave his life deliberately but these words sound as if that man doesn't want to die on the cross. Every year in Philippines, some fanatic Christians willingly hang themselves to the cross, nailing their hands and feet. They don’t shout like cowards. Why does the man on the cross (in the Bible) shout and cry like a baby? |
| Crime › Pastor Gets 40 Years Of Rigorous Imprisonment For Raping 12-year Old Girl by facheux(op): 2:17pm On Mar 11, 2016 |
THRISSUR: In a rare judgment, the Thrissur first additional district sessions court judge K P Sudheer on Tuesday sentenced a pastor of Salvation Army Church of Peechi for 40 years of rigorous imprisonment on charges of raping a 12-year-old girl. The judge, who is also the designated district judge for the trial of the cases charged under Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act, has also slapped fine of Rs 20,000 on the accused, while the victim will receive a compensation of Rs 3 lakh from `Victim Compensation Fund'. The accused Sanil K James, who is the son Kuttikkal James of Nedunkandam of Kottayam, has been found guilty under the section 376 (2)f of IPC , and sections 4 and 5 of POCSO Act, read with Section 6 of the same Act. The judge has slapped 20 years of RI under IPC and another 20 years of RI for the offences proved under the POCSO Act. Since the sentences run concurrently the accused will have to undergo 20 years of rigorous imprisonment. According to the special prosecutor, Pious Mathew, this was the first time in the state that such a harsh punishment has been awarded to an accused under the POCSO Act. Pious Mathew said the 35-year-old pastor had raped the girl, who was studying in seventh standard, at his presbytery (official residence) during the summer vacation in April 2014. http://m.firstpost.com/india/kerala-court-sentences-pastor-to-40-years-imprisonment-for-rape-of-a-minor-in-thrissur-2652184.html http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/Pastor-gets-40-years-of-rigorous-imprisonment-for-raping-12-year-old-girl/articleshow/51209507.cms http://english.manoramaonline.com/news/just-in/pastor-gets-40-years-in-jail-for-raping-thrissur-minor-girl.html http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/pastor-gets-40year-jail-term-for-molesting-minor/article8302712.ece
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Order Women Raped And Little Ones Killed by facheux(op): 11:52pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
impossible27:Christians tell me Jesus is God. Your rant is uninspiring and lacks originalty. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Arrested For Boarding Train Without Ticket! by facheux: 11:50pm On Mar 10, 2016*. Modified: 2:29am On Mar 11, 2016 |
Hmmm 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Iowa Pastor Convicted Of Sexually Abusing A 5-year-old by facheux(op): 11:48pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
[s] Mty4real:[/s] if indeed the marriage of Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken. But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion. Secondly - we have to look at the life of Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy. She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam. No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Iowa Pastor Convicted Of Sexually Abusing A 5-year-old by facheux(op): 11:46pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
[s] Annunaki:[/s] if indeed the marriage of Aisha was something which was despicable even at that time and in that culture, this fact would never have been recorded for posterity and all efforts to conceal or cloud it would have been undertaken. But the fact that this hadith had reached us after it was recorded centuries ago and to all the Muslim generations in between proved that the marriage was culturally and morally acceptable and the fact is also that the Muslim community at that time remained unshakened in its faith in his Prophethood and the message which he had brought bear testimony to this assertion. Secondly - we have to look at the life of Aisha afterwards. She was without doubt one of the foremost scholars of Islam. It is even said that she had attained in her lifetime the position of Mufti - someone capable of giving religious rulings - a position very few Muslims will ever occupy. She was seeked by many, both men and women, who hungered for knowledge and they came to her from all directions, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria. History does not know of any woman who was approached by so many for such a noble purpose. If indeed she had became a victim of sexual abuse she would in most probability be devastated emotionally, psychologically, mentally and perhaps even physically but the achievements she had made in her life after the death of the Prophet proved that she was a woman who was in complete control of her faculties, becoming one of the intellectual giants of Islam. And the fact that she had spoken so dearly of the Prophet was indicative of the innocence of the marriage and of the impeccable character of her husband because given the trust enjoyed by her by the virtue of her relationship with him, she could have unleashed a vengeful attack against him by attributing to him words or deeds of horrendous nature if indeed she was a victim of his supposed lust, destroying both the Prophet and Islam. No sexual abuse victim would ever spoke positively of her attacker, much less becoming a channel that promote love and understanding of him and the message which he had brought." |
| Christianity Etc › Police Arrest Pastor For Allegedly Raping Girl In Ebonyi by facheux(op): 11:30pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
The Police in Ebonyi State have arrested one David Ibe, a 29-year old pastor of Christ Command Mission in Igboeze Onicha, Onicha local government area of the state, for allegedly raping a 23-year old girl. It was gathered that the pastor lured the victim into an uncompleted building at about 9:30pm in Oruagha Umuobunna Uburu in Ohaozara local government area of the state and raped her. The spokesperson for the Ebonyi Police Command, George Okafor, confirmed the incident. Mr. Okafor, an assistant superintendent of police, said: ‘’He is an impostor. He’s among those who claim to be pastors but dent the image of God. They are the horrible types that pretend to be human beings and you will never know that you are actually dinning with the devil.” He said Mr. Ibe confessed to the crime during interrogation. http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-east/199721-police-arrest-pastor-allegedly-raping-girl-ebonyi.html http://pulse.ng/religion/in-ebonyi-pastor-allegedly-rape-church-member-id4775587.html http://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2016/03/abakaliki-pastor-rapes-church-member-for-rejecting-love-proposals/ ‘’He is cooling off in the police and he has confessed to the crime,” Mr. Okafor said. “When he was interrogated, he started making excuse of having invested on the girl and the lady in question refused to marry him, so he decided to rape her. ‘’It is a terrible situation and this is the type of people we want to get at so as to use them to set example for others. ‘’When we are preaching against violence against women, his type will do the worst”.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Give Instructions On How To Beat A Slave by facheux(op): 4:41pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Give Instructions On How To Beat A Slave by facheux(op): 4:37pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
as long as the slave does not die from the beating withing [sic] the first day, you are considered innocent. Slowly beating your slaves to death It's okay with God if you slowly beat your slaves to death. After all, they are your money. Just make sure that they survive at least a day or two after the beating… It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. Go ahead, Beat your slave with a rod. beat your slave as long as he or she can get up after a day or 2. you can beat your slave without mercy, just dont [sic] kill him. you can beat your slave all you want, but don't kill him! you'll get in trouble. it's okay to beat…beat your slave to death [ellipses in original]. I do not see how that says anything other than "it's OK to beat your slave so long as you don't kill or seriously injure the slave". no explicit condemnation other than not to beat your slave TO DEATH. you can beat your slave so hard he dies 3 days later. Beat your slave, just make sure he doesnt [sic] die! One such law is that you're allowed to beat your slave all you want, as long as you don't kill them you are allowed to beat your slave as much as you like as long as you don't knock out his eyes or his teeth. What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing. Exod. 21:21 allows a slave owner to beat a slave to death, as long as it is an unintentional result of the severe beating. You can beat your slave with a rod and its all good if the slave can get up AFTER A DAY OR TWO! The beating is so bad the slave needs a day or two to recover, amazing! it is legit to beat your slave as much as you want to. God condoned, instituted and regulated salvery [sic], including giving detailed instruction how to beat your slave if you beat your slave and he dies right away then that is wrong, but if he dies slowly a few days later, than all is peachy. It is okay to beat your slave as long as the slave does not die as the master owns the slave. You could beat your slave, almost to the point of death. Beating one's slave to death (legal, as long as death lingers and is not immediate) Christians tell me Jesus is God. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Give Instructions On How To Beat A Slave by facheux(op): 4:25pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Order Women Raped And Little Ones Killed by facheux(op): 4:24pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Prince of peace eh |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question Of Tithe & New Testament by facheux(op): 4:23pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › UPDATE: Former Vanceburg Pastor Pleads Guilty To Sexual Abuse by facheux(op): 4:06pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
VANCEBURG, Ky. (WSAZ) -- A former minister at a church in Lewis County, Ky. has pleaded guilty to five counts of sexual abuse in a case that allegedly involved a young boy. Duncan Aker, Jr, 64, of Greensburg, Indiana, formerly of Vanceburg, entered the plea Friday during a hearing in Lewis County Circuit Court. As part of the plea, four counts of 1st Degree Sodomy were dropped, according to the Lewis County Herald. http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Former-Vanceburg-Pastor-Arrested-on-Sex-Charges-302963261.html
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| Christianity Etc › Iowa Pastor Convicted Of Sexually Abusing A 5-year-old by facheux(op): 3:59pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
SIDNEY, Iowa (AP) — A southwest Iowa pastor has been convicted of sexually abusing a 5-year-old girl. A Fremont County jury Friday, March 3, 2016, found 68-year-old Roger Kissel guilty of sex abuse and lascivious acts. Radio station KNCY in Nebraska City, Nebraska, reports that the jury deliberated for about 2½ hours. Kissel’s sentencing is set for May 4 http://wqad.com/2016/03/07/iowa-pastor-convicted-of-sexually-abusing-a-5-year-old/
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| Christianity Etc › Re: What 'freedom Of Religion' Means To Muslims? by facheux: 3:51pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
To me it means once Christians stop using the Church, we will buy it and turn it into a Mosque. As is happening in Europe usa canada etc. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Died For Three Days And Not Two: by facheux: 3:49pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Jesus peace be upon him, never died. Nor is Jesus peace be upon him a God. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Churches Turned Into Mosques by facheux: 3:47pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
What's causing western Christians to abandon Christianity, and stop going to Church. Add to that their incredible abortion rates and love of decadence, it's no wonder Churches are turning into Mosques |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Jailed After Raping 7 Year-old Daughter In Edo by facheux(op): 3:43pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Crazy world |
| Christianity Etc › ☆ Samboism A Result Of Racist Christians ☆ by facheux(op): 3:28pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Is the samboism of some African Americans a direct result of slavery ( past ) > racist segregation ( past ) > and today's more subtle racism (today). American society is Christian majority founded on Christian principles (that's what they tell me. I think it was founded on Christian racism ). Lastly, incarceration rates of African Americans is very disproportionate to the rest if society. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do We Trust Saul Or Acts Of The Apostles ¿ by facheux(op): 3:10pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Crazy world |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Order Pregnant Womens Stomaches Ripped Open by facheux(op): 3:07pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
The Bible makes Jesus pbuh to be a violent killer. Christians tell me Jesus pbuh is God |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Give Instructions On How To Beat A Slave by facheux(op): 3:05pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Question Of Tithe & New Testament by facheux(op): 3:04pm On Mar 10, 2016 |
Still confuzzeled |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Jailed After Raping 7 Year-old Daughter In Edo by facheux(op): 5:09am On Mar 10, 2016 |
To be fair, He hasn't been convicted as yet. Perhaps a good lawyer, or there is some pretty damning evidences we are not told about. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question Of Tithe & New Testament by facheux(op): 5:06am On Mar 10, 2016 |
CHEUARIN:I've read your post and fully understand your position. Many others , not you, in this very forum have explicitly told me they don't do Old Testament. Much like yourself , they are telling me they are Christian. I guess now it comes down to either 1) different denominations of Christians follow different parts of the Bible or 2) perhaps there are some who cherry pick and do as thou art wilt on a case by case basis. |
| Christianity Etc › Pastor Jailed After Raping 7 Year-old Daughter In Edo by facheux(op): 4:56am On Mar 10, 2016 |
An Ogbesun Chief Magistrates’ Court in Benin, Edo State, on Wednesday ordered the remand a 41-year-old Prophet, Benjamin Bernard, in prison custody for alleged defilement of his seven-year-old daughter http://www.metronaija.com/2016/03/pastor-sent-to-jail-after-raping-7-year.html http://www.nigerianewsheadlines.com/2016/03/pastor-jailed-after-raping-7-year-old-daughter-in-edo/ 1 Like
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| Christianity Etc › Re: 12 Christians Brutally Executed By ISIS Refused To Renounce Name Of Christ by facheux: 4:06am On Mar 10, 2016 |
Christians tell me thier God is Jesus. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-317805.html http://www.theage.com.au/news/iraq/god-told-me-to-invade-says-bush/2005/10/07/1128562952070.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10349260 http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/god-told-me-invade-iraq-t14891.html http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-10/07/content_483037.htm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 12 Christians Brutally Executed By ISIS Refused To Renounce Name Of Christ by facheux: 3:55am On Mar 10, 2016 |
From the story. "In Iraq, the Christian population is teetering on extinction, dwindling from around 1.5 million in 2003 to well below 200,000 now." I remember bush n Blair said Jesus told them to invade irak. What is it 500 000 - 1 000 000 iraki dead from this Jesus inspired war. I guess the lesson is if Jesus tells you to go to war, just say no ? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Grace Perverted Gospel - Beware Of Joseph Prince. New Creation Church, Singapore by facheux: 11:42pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
[s] analice107:[/s] How Christian of you. You're more then welcome to comment on any question or questions in any section. No one will get mad |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Give Instructions On How To Beat A Slave by facheux(op): 9:05pm On Mar 09, 2016 |
TrajansKong:Crazy world |
