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malvisguy212:
christ is a man. It was God the son incarnate in christ "a man". The verse say ONE mediator between God and man, the MAN, christ jesus.

promisechuks:
I think I can politely help you with the explanation.

Trinity; God the father, God the son, God the holyspirit. These 3 things equally share the same attribute, both in relevance, authority- everything! They are dependent on each other. You can't separate one from the other because they are ONE.

These 3 things in trinity are CONCEPTS.
They are NOT different personalities but one person operating in three forms(operating in 3 offices- using office for better understanding)

It is just like Obama being the president of America, President of world human right association and president of WHO, all at the same time.

Bear in mind; God literally means "an OFFICE of the self existing one", no matter the religion, that's what God is generally referred to as.

But by intimate NAME, the God of Abraham(which the christians worship), isaac and Jacob which is seen as the only true God is YAWEEH or JEHOVA(God the father)

However, "YAWEEH"is the name used when referring to God In his infinite form(God the father).

"JESUS" seen as "God the son", is the name used in referring to God in flesh, who in a humble manner, came into this world was born sinless, dwelled among men in the likeness of men , healed their diseases and sicknesses, forgave them their sins and gave up his life(in a human form) for their own redemption( as was prophesied by prophet isaiah 860yrs before the birth of Jesus), so that they will be free from the nature of sin, and at the third day after giving up his life for the redemption of mankind, he resurrected from the dead and that proved him LORD OF LORDS and KING OF KINGS (John 1:1-5).


"Holyspirit"(God the holy spirit) in referring to the spirit of God. It was the spirit that made jesus live as the son of God. And that was the spirit Jesus promise us before ascension. It was called the spirit of God.


I have to stop here for now. If you understand this few explanation, tell me so I can continue. Or you can ask questions

Scholar8200:
Scholar8200:

Compare this with:

ANd since the Spirit here is not Gabriel, I believe this Spirit has a relationship with God far deeper than that of Gabriel who is a malaika.A Spirit from Himself selah!


And that make him (Jesus) God?.

Expatiate on this:
If the Spirit here in question proceeds from Allah, how come Jesus could say, " I will send Him unto you"? Which should be the exclusive preserve of Allah?
At this point I believe we can all agree that the Spirit promised by Christ was not a man.



How can that be since he was also created? Does that apply to the rest angels too?


Did Angel not preceded human being? That's what i meant.

Meaning he ranks with the other angels since they all precede man. Okay.


But the definite article shows there has to be only One of that Kind. Could Gabriel's errands make him holier than the other malaikas?


And which other malaikat is more commissioned according to your Bible?. Which other malaika transmitted Divine message to prophets and messengers besides Gabriel?

Many Angels were sent in the Bible with Divine Messages to prophets and people in general!!! Their names were not mentioned! Only two were mentioned-Gabriel and Michael, of the latter, a high title was attached which was not used for Gabriel in all Scripture!


So which do you accept?


Very simple, Whether it's merely holy spirit or Gabriel, does that make Jesus God?. Quran says Jesus was conceived by word og Allah(God) "Be! and He was". How does that make Jesus(p) God?

But then such an One could declare that He will send the Holy Spirit and that the Spirit will come in His Name! Interestingly, it was interchanged-sometimes He said "the Father will send" , other times He said "I will send" underscoring the Truth-I and My Father are ONE!
That is sure higher than what a man can do!




Why is that? What position is the color highlighted text in relation to Allah?


See, here it's about Allah's Names and Attributes. Anything can emerge from His Almighty Names. I know that very well. Ruh Allah i:e Spirit Of Allah is a subject that has been dealt with many times. It is merely Word coming from Allah. Jesus is a word from Allah not "Word of Allah"

As per the text in blue, do you mean the Spirit is the Word? Do shed more light!


SPIRIT OF Allah IS BREATHED IN EVERY HUMAN BEING

A spirit from Allah does not indicate that Jesus (pbuh) is God. The Qur’an mentions in several places that Allah breathed into the human beings “His Spirit” in Surah Al-Hijr, chapter 15 verse 29 in Surah Sajdah, chapter 32 verse 9

Surah Al Hijr Chapter 15 verse 29

“When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him.” [Al-Qur’an 15:29]



Surah Sajdah Chapter 32 verse 9

“But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!” [Al-Qur’an 32:9]

The verse above are talking abot Adam(p) and human beings generally. Why is Adam not God since God also breath is spirit in him as He did Jesus(p)?.

No one claims the Divinity of Christ based on the Anointing of the Spirit! I never said so! I know very well that there were many that were anointed and strengthened by the Spirit in the OT!


JOHN THE BAPTIST (PBUH) IS ALSO CALLED “A WORD” OF Allah

Yahya (pbuh) i.e. John the Baptist (pbuh) is also referred to in the Qur’an as Kalimatullah i.e. a word of Allah in Surah Ali ‘Imran, Chapter 3, verses 38-39

“There did Zakariya Pray to his Lord, saying: “O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!

While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: “Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahya, witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a Prophet – of the (goodly) company of the righteous.” [Al-Qur’an 3:39]

Why is John not God just because he was also word from Allah?.
Hear John speak:
"...He that comes after me is preferred before me; for He was before me!
John 1:15b
Making it clear that Jesus is, and was before him not on the basis of age since John was born before Jesus but on a greater and infinitely higher basis!

And hear what John's mum had to say:

"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Luke 1:43
She said this at a time when she was pregnant with John.

The Word that was God became has been from the beginning and was made flesh!


But He clearly declared that He was One with the Father! Jesus did not say the message would abide forever He clearly said He - the Holy Spirit- will abide with the believers forever. Besides, the Holy Spirit was to be sent in Christ's Name and indwell believers-two things He never did up till that time! In the past the Spirit was sent only to Kings and Prophets and that not permanently. But now He would be coming to indwell all believers! See the difference?


So going by your word, for argument sake, let's assume the "Holy Spirit" sent in Jesus names dwells inside believers (even today) why then Christians doctrines are different?. Right now we have Christians who dont believe Jesus is God. Some Christians dont believe in trinity etc. Question is if the holy spirit sent in the name of Jesus is pure and dwell inside every christian, why do you not all believe the same way?. For instance, no Muslim believe Jesus or Muhammad is God. This is universal among concept Muslims. To believe otherwise is tantamount to disbelieve and blasphemy.


Pay close attention to my point again, if John 14 15 is referring to "holy spirit" which is supposedly dwell in every christian, why do churches and Christians' doctrines differ greatly in terms of salvation?. Some Christians believe Jesus is God; and to reject that concept is detrimental and jeopardizes their salvation. Some Christians believe Jesus is not God simply because he did not say so. They did not see that statement in their Bible. Now, is the holy spirit deceiving you people by giving you different doctrines?

The Word of God, not christian groups, is the final authority on matters like this. The Spirit works with the Word hence we try the spirits by the Word as commanded! Any body can claim to have the Spirit but the test is the Word! Jesus said the Spirit will reveal Truth and Himself to the disciples, that He will bring the Word to our remembrance etc Hence beyond the claims of having the Spirit, we examine the genuineness by the Word! Here many you have referred to fail!

If you will read the NT, you will see many prophecies that people will rise up to draw away disciples for themselves, teach heresies, deny the Lord and His Word etc Even at the beginning of the Church some false brethren tried to introduce things that had no place etc this is why every true christian stands with the Word, not denominational dogma especially when it contradicts the Word! I have seen so-called christians who will argue for their church practices and teachings even if you show them the Word is contrary to them, what then?



Consider that Genesis 18 carefully and ask who was the third Man called LORD and , like you just mentioned, Who is the Spirit that proceeds from God? Surely you agreed He is not an angel.
(for the records only, not related to thread)
If we say the God is One and that He is Three In One and that it is a mystery which we believe, Muslims mock, however there are instances in your reply where those you quoted implied that there were mysteries even they could not explain!


And how is this verse of Quran difficult for you to understand?. What you believe up there contradicts Oneness of God. It means you believe in Three gods. You getting really confused

A mystery does not mean the believers therein are confused!


"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs." Sura 004:171
Were these not the same people Muslims were asked to get clarification from being accused of exceeding limits? How do we reconcile this? And if the Quran was completed between 609-632, it means the Trinity was not a 17th century addition after all but had been there all along!

HermajestyQ:
My friend i hate to break it to u since its obvious that u don't know that Muhammed was born in the year 570 AD (After Death of Jesus). Koran was written within 20years of Muhammed's death(Wikipedia). Meaning the bible and Christianity existed 570 years before the birth of Muhammed. Jesus is not a man but the son God the most high. Let's b practical now op, have u ever wondered why people pray in the name of Jesus and receives miracles, healings, protected from evil...? Repent of ur sins and accept Jesus as ur Lord and saviour. After death is jugement, no excuse and arguement in heaven my brother. Jesus loves u!!!!

unphilaz:
Honestly prove me liar by answering this question

Answer this then I will know if am a liar or speaking lies in honesty

Annunaki:
The answers given are far from satisfactory and are laced with lies. That said we don't even need any hadith to expose mohamed and islam. The quoran is terrible enough and has more than enough damning evidence against islam/mohamed.

promisechuks:
Please, the rate of lies I have been seeing in islam, is quite alarming!

Where did you get all this nonsense?
Hope it is from koran, of course I know.

Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine, when he was 31

Annunaki:
Al taquiya nonsense

unphilaz:
on one hand, you spoke glowingly of the hadeth now you condemn it as weak...bros whether na french or latin ohh ... me i know say you don backtrack your conviction.... and how am a desperate when am simply quoting you and you have been the one shouting WEAK HADITH for the umpteenth time which is shows someone is desparately holding to straws

unphilaz:
on one hand, you spoke glowingly of the hadeth now you condemn it as weak...bros whether na french or latin ohh ... me i know say you don backtrack your conviction.... and how am a desperate when am simply quoting you and you have been the one shouting WEAK HADITH for the umpteenth time which is shows someone is desparately holding to straws

unphilaz:
ok let me do you a small favor.... all the life and times of the prophet are not captured in the koran but the hadith - including the weak and unauthentic - which we know that allahh the all knowing and knows the best, would have guided the writers of the hadith.

So you agree?

unphilaz:
on one hand, you spoke glowingly of the hadeth now you condemn it as weak...bros whether na french or latin ohh ... me i know say you don backtrack your conviction.... and how am a desperate when am simply quoting you and you have been the one shouting WEAK HADITH for the umpteenth time which is shows someone is desparately holding to straws

unphilaz:
on one hand, you spoke glowingly of the hadeth now you condemn it as weak...bros whether na french or latin ohh ... me i know say you don backtrack your conviction.... and how am a desperate when am simply quoting you and you have been the one shouting WEAK HADITH for the umpteenth time which is shows someone is desparately holding to straws

unphilaz:
haha so all this is trash... which one no be trash? i think you have shown me one that is trash

unphilaz:
from this


so you are swallowing your words and acknowledging that you lied and that what abu dawud and Bhukari wrote was false?

to this

unphilaz:
i believe you were full of fibre when you wrote the above quote ... or you didnt

unphilaz:
on the underline, how did the status of Hasan come about and the status of Hasan are we sure that they are not mistaken by classifying some hadith as lesser or inaccurate? How are we sure that the status of Hasan is under the guidiance of allahh?

for me, i believe that (and i stand with them) they abu dawud and Bhukari were under the guidance of allahh to which facheux has acknowledged thus

Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been [b]accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics.[/b]

against your status if hasan which am sure came in the era of awareness and enlightenment.

unphilaz:
abu dawud and Bhukari who compiled the hadith, were they not under the all knowing and guidance of allahh to have known that what they compiled was a MISTAKE according to you? And if allahh guided them, then its not a mistake and by extension, all hadiths including the op is telling us the true state of things about the prophet which facheux has rightly alluded to by saying 'Every detail of his private life and public utterances has been accurately documented and faithfully preserved to our day. The authenticity of the records so preserved are vouched for not only by the faithful followers but even by his prejudiced critics. "

souljaboi51:
islamist bastard

PastorAIO:
Please excuse me, where did I compare anybody to anybody? Are you hallucinating? Or sniffing cocaine?

Do you know who I am? Where do you know me from that you're calling Mohammed my prophet?

Are you God that you know who is more righteous than whom? You must be your God because you are spouting totally irrelevant poo that is not even connected to what I'm talking about.